Will George Bush get reelected?

[Adam]

Question for the americans on the board: Will your president get another term in office? I would think his status as a victor of wars would give him a popularity boost as well as the fact that the democratic party doesn't seem to have any powerful candidates, at least none I've heard of. Any thought? Would you vote for Bush the way he's running things now?

(by the way, please hold back on the Bush-bashing a bit ;))

[Brad Ellin]

I hope not. Unless someone totally evil runs against him, I don't plan on voting for him. Now, if Colin Powell were to run, I'd vote for him. I think Mr. Bush has done enough already. We don't need to be in Iraq, and we don't need to be "liberating" anymore countries from their respective dictators.

[Paratus]

I'm in complete agreement Kurohana. Sadly, though, the democratic party hasn't presented any true competition as well as the republican party. Plus it is always easier for a with standing president to be re-elected. When Bush was first "elected" president during his time before 9/11 he was a considered stupid and incompetant by many in Washington and in the public. I don't see how a tragedy and a war has changed anything about him, except peoples view of him, which in my opinion is blind faith. Since he handled 9/11 well people seem to expect him to handle everything well, which he hasn't, but I also think people are starting to see how he really is again

Do I think he's going to get re-elected? Its very probable, but I'm hoping he doesn't

[Grifter]

I agree with both Paratus and Kurohana. And I think if anything the wars are hurting his chances of getting re-elected. Maybe if he would have stop at the War of Terrorism maybe than it wouldnt be so bad. But no, he had to go at stop evil Saddam for making WMDs,which still havent been found. And now he sending more troops to help Africa. Yea good job, his terms not even up and his got us into three wars. Luckily I will actually be able to vote this year, so im not voting for Bush unless he runs against Arnold Schwarzenegger or something.

[Knight_Errant]

I seriously hope you americans get rid of this moron as soon as possible. Then we can go back to liking you again :) Unfortunately, I think that he will probably hold on to power though.

[AikiSamurai]

I hope not as well. Not too many people have a positive feel of Bush in my area.

[wayofthedragon]

hmmm....He wouldn't be preseident now if it were up to me
Is it possible for him to be reelected? YES...Oh yes
Will he? I hope not, and should hope the ones who voted for him last time realize the big mistake they made.
Not downing him or anything. Maybe things wouldn't have been so bad if.....well the war situation. What the hell is he doing:confused: And in other areas as well

[Peaceful_John]

In all fairness on the last election we pretty much got to vote like this:

"Ok USA, do you want a broken rib, or a broken finger?"

When Clinton was president the economy was good, and we didn't bomb the hell out of any countries.

Now our economy sucks - but hey we're freeing other countries from oppression (even though they don't want us there.)

[Chazz]

Well i voted for him. Not the best thing ive done but i did. Right now i dont see anyone that i would want to vote for on either side. At the next vote i might put my name in the write in spot. lol The only way i see him getting back in is if he some how he get the economy back up and i dont see that happening. We'll see what happens i guess

[Bon]

Why do you think Bush is the cause of your economy being down?

I'm not saying he isn't, I don't know enough about your situation... not really that interested to read up on it! :D But, economies tend to go through depressions, booms, etc.

[Grifter]

I dont think its his fault it got bad. But its his fault its staying that way

[Wearing Grey]

I like Bush and I hope he gets re-elected. The economy does not go up and down in a matter of one or two years. Sometimes the economy is good sometimes it is bad. That is just the way it is. Kinda sux cause I am trying to find a job now, and cant. Do I blame W Bush?? Of course not, it just happens.


Seriously, what did W Bush do to make the economy bad? I have heard lots of people (not all on this board, my Grandmother as well) say that W Bush is the cause of problems in the economy. I ask her to explain but she does not know why. Does anyone else have a good reason as to why W. Bush is the cause of it?

As far as I know alot of the other countries are suffering as well. Right....??

As far as bombing Iraq, I am glad we did. I wish we would have finished it the first time but.......we did'nt...so now we did. And then I hope we can resolve stuff with N. Korea, and if we cant, I hope we bomb them too.

BTW I am republican :)

I am going to go hide behind a brick wall now so I can dodge the bullets that are going to start flying my way. ;)

Take care guys,

WG

[Chazz]

I didnt say that he was the reason that it is bad. I do like bush as well. I was just sayin that if he doesnt start doin something about the economy people wont vote for him.

Wearing Grey "BTW I am republican"

I wouldnt say that i am a Rep. or a Dem. I will vote for the person that tell me the best lie. If i had to pic a side ide say im a "libral republican".

[Paratus]

Its not just the economy, although a major factor, thats bringing Bush down in many people eyes. His forgien policy, money spending, and several things that are just being noticed now. For example, during all this time the enviromental protection laws have been slashed in half. In a time when the protection and improvement in the enviroment is becoming a more and more important he does this. He has no regard for the future in my eyes.

Sorry went on a bit of a rant, but I disagree with many of Bushes actions and views. Plus disregard for the enviroment usually gets me going, call me a tree hugger if ya like I don't care ;)

[Chazz]

I agree with you on that point and it does look that way.

[BSR]

I certainly hope not.

(I would say more, but I am respecting the thread-starter's wishes to hold back on the Bush-bashing :D )

[Kaith Rustaz]

I've got 1 question?

What do y'all mean "Re-Elected"?

He was never Elected. He lost the popular vote and was picked by the courts. The term "Florida Voter" will live for years here.

Don't get me wrong....the other leading candidate was about as wooden as a pine tree. The US needs a strong 3rd party to break in. Too bad Perot backed down...I liked that Ferengi-lookalike. :)

[Bon]

Originally posted by Paratus
during all this time the enviromental protection laws have been slashed in half. In a time when the protection and improvement in the enviroment is becoming a more and more important he does this. He has no regard for the future in my eyes.


We're all dead in the long run :D

[Paratus]

Yeah but future generations aren't Bon, they gotta live with our mistakes

[inacan]

I wouldn't be suprised if he did get re-elected. It's not so much that he's such a great president, as much as nobody from the democrats has really taken a good lead out and is that appealing. If they got Al Gore back, they would win, but as is, it's a pretty scarce field.

[cal_JJJ]

I think that the only way that he will return to the office is by default like the first time.

I don't think he can ride the "Victor" image any longer now that Iraq has gone from a pre-enptive strike to protect the U.S. to a liberation situation.

And, the economy hinges on the markets which got ahead of themselfs and Clinton's impeachment hearings were the straw that broke that camel's back.

[Yin and Yang]

one word..... Environment.....he is killing the environment along with Secretary of Interior Gale Norton. No more animals, trees, anything once Bush gets through he will kill them all...he has already started.

[Chazz]

inacan - It's not so much that he's such a great president, as much as nobody from the democrats has really taken a good lead out and is that appealing.


Right, there isnt anyone in that party worth voting for either. I voted for bush and im not sure if i would vote for him again but i dont see any one else thats worth a darn. Right now its sooooo boring that i might just sleep through it.

[aikiMac]

Originally posted by Peaceful_John
When Clinton was president the economy was good, and we didn't bomb the hell out of any countries.

Now our economy sucks - but hey we're freeing other countries from oppression (even though they don't want us there.)
The sitting president -- whoever he is, whatever the year is -- did not effect the present economy. Whoever was president several years back in time effected the economy. Thus, it ain't Bush's fault. It's Clinton's fault. That's not an endorsement of Bush, it's just the reality of economic cycles.

To answer the original question: Bush has already lost re-election.

[aikiMac]

Originally posted by Kaith Rustaz
What do y'all mean "Re-Elected"?

He was never Elected. He lost the popular vote and was picked by the courts. The term "Florida Voter" will live for years here.

That's so not true. Go read the U.S. Constitution already. The popular vote is irrelevant. Bush was "picked" by the courts only because the Democrats were cry-baby poor losers, wah wah wah. But the Supreme Court's decision changed nothing anyway because the final statewide recounts were always the same: Bush won FL every time the votes were recounted.

[peaceful_child]

cry babies huh?
I'd rather have a president who wasn't so hot headed starting wars all over the place.
And while he isn't the sole reason the economy is down, he sure isn't helping matters.
Not to mention he's screwing things up for the youth. He wants to cut AmeriCorps by 80 precent, a program that lets youth serve their country, ans well as helping many who benefit from the services. He also is underfunding financial-aid programs, making it infinitely harder for people to afford colleges. And, on top of everything else, instead of climbing out of debt, like we were with Clinton, we're going way back in debt. So, there will be high tax increases, and a million more problems that come with that.
And you know what? He isn't very moral either. Making up excuses to start these wars. Sending in troops to fight a country under a dictatorship that couldn't help what was going on. And, they haven't found Weapons of Mass Destruction yet. At least not in Iraq, where he said they were. Our troops are still getting killed out there. And for what? So Mr. Bush can have his little egotistical spat with the Middle East? Oh yah, that's a worthy cause. He thinks just because he's rich, he can do whatever he wants. Just because his daddy was president gives him some special authority and freedom. That he's above the rules, above morality, above the whole world.
Yah, what a great president.

[peaceful_child]

Oh, and I almost forgot. Like Yin and Yang said. The environment. He says "screw over the environment, I wanna build build build! Forget the moose, the bears, the wolves, in Alaska. I wanna drill into that grand little pipeline and get more oil!"
A Democrat would never do that.
I hear Hilary might run for president. Now there's a start in the right direction.

[Brad Ellin]

"Right, there isnt anyone in that party worth voting for either. I voted for bush and im not sure if i would vote for him again but i dont see any one else thats worth a darn. Right now its sooooo boring that i might just sleep through it."

That is definitely the wrong attitude to have. Sure, there may not be someone you like running against him and it may be boring (now), but if enough people feel the same way we'll be stuck with him again. If you don't like him, vote for the least harmful (in your opinion) candidate. At the very least make your voice heard.

[mikelw]

Originally posted by Paratus
Its not just the economy, although a major factor, thats bringing Bush down in many people eyes. His forgien policy, money spending, and several things that are just being noticed now. For example, during all this time the enviromental protection laws have been slashed in half. In a time when the protection and improvement in the enviroment is becoming a more and more important he does this. He has no regard for the future in my eyes.

Sorry went on a bit of a rant, but I disagree with many of Bushes actions and views. Plus disregard for the enviroment usually gets me going, call me a tree hugger if ya like I don't care ;)

I would think the fact that the man is just plain STUPID would be enough for people. I mean, listen to him talk sometime.....there is bound to be a non existant word uttered.

[mikelw]

Originally posted by aikiMac
That's so not true. Go read the U.S. Constitution already. The popular vote is irrelevant. Bush was "picked" by the courts only because the Democrats were cry-baby poor losers, wah wah wah. But the Supreme Court's decision changed nothing anyway because the final statewide recounts were always the same: Bush won FL every time the votes were recounted.

Actually my friend, the courts stopped the recount when they (majority republicans) realized that Gore was going to win :). I suggest you read up on the subject: I recommend Stupid White Men by Michael Moore.

[cal_JJJ]

peaceful_child; You are very well informed on politics, and I find myself agreeing w/ you. I f we could only get a president that didn't think they were the worlds "director of war" like Clinton in Bosnia, and focused on turning the economy around like Regan in the 90's. :D

[aikiMac]

Originally posted by mikelw
Actually my friend, the courts stopped the recount when they (majority republicans) realized that Gore was going to win :). I suggest you read up on the subject: I recommend Stupid White Men by Michael Moore.
That's not why they stopped the recount. They stopped it because the statutory deadline had run. The law said that results had to be in by a certain date. I'm sorry if I disappoint your political proclivities, but I was in law school taking a course on Constitutional law at that point in time. This was a subject that we talked about in class, naturally. But it doesn't really matter now. The collective memory of American voters is, what, about 3 months? Something like that. Next year few voters will remember anything about the Florida Effect or the recount

Peaceful_Child, your post sounds like an anti-Clinton tirade! Hah hah hah! It's true! Just change a little detail here and there. That's what I hate about American politics. There is no more difference between Republicans and Democrats, than there is between regular beer and lite beer. Over the long term you get the same results from either one. Evidence the increased size of the federal government under "The Government is the Problem" George W. Bush, and Clinton sending our soldiers to fight and die all over the planet for no reason that I could understand. You can't trust either side. It's all a farce. That's why I vote 3rd Party.

[peaceful_child]

I would agree with you, only Clinton didn't do half the things Bush is doing. He actually helped in a lot of areas. The details are important. They make the story what it is. Though democrats can have their downfalls, there's no doubt in that, from what I've seen, they've been doing a lot better job than any of the republicans around here.

[Knight_Errant]

Right, there isnt anyone in that party worth voting for either
correct. UP THE REVOLUTION!!!
Or not as the case may be. In the meantime, if you're in the states vote democrat so you can have some wildlife and people left by the time your kids are grown up.

[Zamfoo]

umm kurohana, Powell can't run. He's Jamaican, not american. Wow i can't believe how sore dems are still from that lost election. I mean i wasn't there but did you see gore after it?? man he took it hard. I'd rather have a leader that will take out the enemy then have 18 of our men killed and DO NOTHING!!!

[Knight_Errant]

... and I'd rather have somebody who knows something about politics than a dangerous idiot with his finger (or whatever) always hanging above the naughty button. :D

[Adam]

Colin Powel is Jamaican? Cool! Let him embrace the rasta philosophy and we'd have world peace forever and free ganja for the people! The dreds would suit him too. I'd vote for him :D

[Holgate]

I just hope Bush dosen't get elected for a second term, because if he does there will be pretty much more of the same.

Since the war in iraq ended (haha, it ain't over by a long stretch) more american soliders have been killed than during the actually conflict. Did bush seriously think that by getting rid of Saddam that the problem would be mistically resolved...you know somehow I think he really did, the man is naive to think that the iraqis and muslims on the whole would welcome the troops with open arms. I'm sorry but this is no longer 1945 and the liberation of europe, a few lessons from Vietnam could be learn't here.

As for finishing the job from Bush senior. Bush senior did finish the job, the re-mit was no more than to remove Iraqi troops from Kuwait, no more no less, the job was done and finished. It was only afterwards the hawks in the administration and the country as a whole said they should have invaded Iraq and removed Saddam...strangely enough the same thing MacArthur said when UN forces reached the Yalu river in 1951....retoric changes very little.

I am however in total disbelief and how many lessons the Bush administration have failed to learn from history, if the siution in Iraq goes on the way it is, they will find themselves in another Vietman, not only on the front line but also on the home front where the people will start to demand the soliders are brought home. The body count is starting rise now and that will not go unnoticed by the people, and in the long run it will be the people who decide the fate of Bush, his administration and his policy in the Middle East.

As for North Korea, Bush would be even more stupid than anyone could think if he decided to stick a boot in there, even the South Koreans themselves are resigned to the fact that just once in a while Kim Il Sung will saber rattle just to make the world aware that he's still there. Great strides have been made in Korea since 1952 and to start bombing them would not only throw Korea's economy into turmoil but also throw Japan into the fire as well, an economy we in the west cannot afford to see in further difficulty...because historically what goes after Japan is New York.

I really hope for the sake of alot of innocent people in the United States and the rest of the world that Bush isn't re-elected, we cannot afford any more wars or 'police actions' conducted by a man who cannot even spell his own name.

[Zamfoo]

Holgate i some what see your point but still am throw off by the incredible bias thoughout it and specifically at the end. And also most of the problems in Vietnam cept the fact that the viet cong were disguising themselves as s. vietnamese and breaking truces, were in washington's reluctance to give enough power to the military. Also i don't see how Iraq could turn into another vietnam considering the country is already under our control. I can see why some people don't want Bush reelected because they have no grasp of how hard country rebuilding is but seeing as how weak the dem camp is this year i think we'll see more of bush


oh BTW adam by powell not being american he can never by prez, same with arnold (thank god) and various other non-natives

[Zamfoo]

Originally posted by Adam

(by the way, please hold back on the Bush-bashing a bit ;))
:rolleyes:



people the question was WILL not Should

[cal_JJJ]

Holgate:

"....the job was done and finished. It was only afterwards the hawks in the administration and the country as a whole said they should have invaded Iraq and removed Saddam..."

Are you sure? I thought that was a ploy by the capital-hill dove's to bring down Bush senior's sky rocketing popularity after the Kuwait liberation. Which having been planted in the American psyche, they had to then stand-by after 9.11 or look like unpatriotic hypocrites. :D

[Tireces]

Originally posted by Peaceful_John
In all fairness on the last election we pretty much got to vote like this:

"Ok USA, do you want a broken rib, or a broken finger?"

When Clinton was president the economy was good, and we didn't bomb the hell out of any countries.

Now our economy sucks - but hey we're freeing other countries from oppression (even though they don't want us there.)

Economy sucks because of the .com crash, and the wave of business corruption scandals. Who in their right mind would want to invest after that? Clinton didn't make the economy good, and we still had our fair share of conflicts, some of which we took far too long to commit to. It was his lax treatment toward other al-qaeda attacks that arguably led them to believe they'd get away with something like what happened to the twin towers. Is Bush a great president? No. Was Clinton? No. Would Hilary be? Certainly not. Would Gore? I doubt it. I don't think the democratic party is going to come up with anyone who appeals to me. And it takes a lot of appeal from them to overturn the fact that they believe in the full preservation of abortion. I of course, do not want to see this institution continue, and this is why my support must go to the republican party at this time. If the abortion issue wasn't an issue, then I'd probably wind up undecided. We live today in a much smarter world as a whole. Most of the population is, in fact, undecided. More people use filesharing programs than actually voted in the last elections. Sadly, campaigning is tactical, not ethical. They don't pitch to people who aren't voting, because they're so diverse, and actually campaigning intelligently would reveal flaws they have. I would prefer for politicians to actually provide somewhere that lists their plans for when they are in office IN FULL, not some speech about "blah blah, look at this, this is in bad shape, this has gone on long enough! It's time for a change!" or "blah blah, look at this, this is doing well, but this guy will change that!" The only people who vote today are the few foolish who are actually swayed by that garbage, or people who are simply too patriotic to forfeit the right so many people have died to preserve. I cant say whether or not Bush will be re-elected, but I predict, once again, the total number of votes across the country will be sickeningly low, and that it will probably be another close one, and neither party will be smart enough to care. After all, its about winning, not turning on others to voting, thats just too risky, after all, those people might vote for the opponent.

[Zamfoo]

Cliton didn't bomb any countries???? Did Yugoslavia not count as a country???

[aikiMac]

Originally posted by Zamfoo
Cliton didn't bomb any countries???? Did Yugoslavia not count as a country???
Thank you. I'm glad someone besides me remembers our attempts at reconstructing other countries under the leadership of Bill Clinton. And also while under Clinton's command our soldiers died in Somalia, and Haiti, and perhaps another country that I'm forgetting at this moment.

I find ludicrous and baseless the assertion that environmental protection laws have been slashed in half or otherwise substantially eliminated during Bush's presidency. Equally untenable is the popular assertion that the environment dies when a Rep is President. If the U.S. Constitution means anything then laws are written and repealed by the two houses of Congress, not by the President. Contrary to fantasy, Republicans are humans just like Democrats. They need clean water to drink and clear air to breathe and healthy food to eat. I do not believe for a millisecond that Republicans as a group make the environment dirty or want a dirty environment. The political issue regarding the environment is not dirty water and dead trees versus clean water and live trees. The political issue regarding the environment is where should new jobs come from: government or private companies. Answer that, and you identify who owns the trees and the fields and whatnot.

[Zamfoo]

thank you aiki i think the other country might be some in central america. Today i read a great quote by socrates "An unexamined life is not worth living." Examine life ppl. Decide for yourselves and know that even tho you are entitled to be heard you are not entitled to make me think that way.

[Brad Ellin]

"umm kurohana, Powell can't run. He's Jamaican, not american. Wow i can't believe how sore dems are still from that lost election. I mean i wasn't there but did you see gore after it?? man he took it hard. I'd rather have a leader that will take out the enemy then have 18 of our men killed and DO NOTHING!!!"

Powell, not Jamaican. American. Parents were born in Jamaica, but Mr. Powell was born in New York City ( http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/biog/1349.htm) . That makes him an American and a citizen, therefore eligible, if he decides, to run for President.

On a side note, Mr. Powell is the nicest guy to fly Air Force 2. He's the only one who takes time to acknoweldge the guys on the ground that launcha nd recover and fix the aircraft. (Mrs. BUsh waves sometimes, but all the others ignore you. The VP stares at the ground while walking to the aircraft). He's smart, educated and a decent human. I'd still vote for him.

[Zamfoo]

oops. thanks for correcting me kurohana. Maybe Powell'd make a good prez but it doesn't seem like he gunna run.
Dang did anyone know he's 66??? Sure doesn't look it.

[Tireces]

Powell strikes me as one of those guys everyone would love to see president and rally behind (for the most part, there'll never be a 100% unanimous election, unless of course its Iraq...). But, he's too humble and modest to want to take on a role like that.

[Kaith Rustaz]

Just some links of note:
http://www.bushoccupation.com (Skip past the 'buy this shirt' stuff)

And, our fearless 'leaders' resume can be found here:
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushresume.htm
Also available in a neat printable PDF form here:
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/bushresume.pdf

[Zamfoo]

i don't know why i'm gunna say this here but the F in PDF stands for format. just a note. :p Tha bush occupation site is interesting but they don't explain many of their accusations or i'm just missing them. to me it seems like a site just mad at bush for winning but that just myself.

[Kaith Rustaz]

hehehe... I tend to agree with ya. Some folks get mad for the sake of getting mad. They have a large number of links though that often times lead to some interesting sites.

:)

[Zamfoo]

yeah if anyone is familiar with gameranger (mac gaming thingy) i've seen links from some anti war people that have other arcticles on the site about how (insert head of state) is an alien or something

[Knight_Errant]

:D And it hasn't even occured to you they could be joking :D

[Zamfoo]

no they seemed quite serious and continued to argue for hours upon hours

[Knight_Errant]

Oh well. Some of the stranger habits of my political allies... But then again, they have a right to think that if they want to :)