[Freestyle/Sporting MA] Pro-Wrestling [Archive]

SoKKlab

26-Jul-2003, 01:00 PM

Wrestlers train really hard. Pound for pound I feel that they are some of the fittest athletes there is-whether they are Pro-wrestlers or amateur Olympic style wrestlers.

Real Wrestling, namely Catch Wrestling, Lancashire Style etc, is an awesome skill set, full of brutal locks and submissions and some striking, smothering etc.

Unfortunately that's mostly a lost art these days, since it was replaced by the more crowd pleasing Olympic style.

Pro-wrestling, if you could learn those techniques as a proper
fighting system, would be a fantastic with as much variation as Sombo or Ju-Jitsu.

European Martial Arts have largely been lost and we now look to the Orient for 'Real' Martial Arts.

Unfortunately I don't think that you can learn 'Pro-Wrestling' as a Martial art, as it's pure entertainment, a routine almost, between two or more people for entertainment purposes.

To be fair those guys can do the techniques for real, as wrestling skills is wrestling skills. It still has to be learnt as a system of techniques for application whether that's in a 'Real' bout or in a staged one. Although it's the actual fighting practice that develops the fighter, so if they are not really fighting...

I see that they are staging Real Submission Wrestling bouts in the States, along the same lines as the UFC. Except pure Submission Wrestling without strikes.

kobudo_tob

26-Jul-2003, 01:45 PM

The thing that causes most people to disregard Pro Wrestling is the fact that you are not actually competing with your opponent, instead working together to bring out a good match.

I thought it was easy...a laugh...so I checked out the British Wrestling Scene websites and found out that there was a school here in Leeds.

Did a few moves, and they hurt - we weren't even in a ring, just on a load of gym mats.

It was fun, until I nearly broke a guys neck trying to do a suplex on the first lesson. Oh, and been slammed onto a wooden floor hurts, especially from 6 ft up.

Pro wrestling is no joke. Its a laugh, but those guys work damn hard...even harder in the independants.

But I'm sure I'm about to get a load of "you're a wuss" comments LOL

SoKKlab

26-Jul-2003, 03:02 PM

You won't get a 'wuss' comment from me Kobudo,
I've trained many times with Wrestlers and it's a hard game for sure. My Grandfather was an accomplished wrestler (Catch style) and Boxer and fought his way around the Carnie Booths in the States.

He did try to show me some stuff when I was a kid, but I was only interested in 'Real' (!....) Martial arts then.

More fool me as I could of picked up some great skills.

Andrew Green

27-Jul-2003, 05:12 AM

pgm316

27-Jul-2003, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by Andrew Green
It is is fake, doesn't work, and hurts a lot.

They are great athletes... with poor acting skills :D and there job is very hard.

But it is not fighting, most of the techniques rely on the co-operation and compliance of your opponent.

If it hurts a lot, hows it fake!? :D

Theres nothing more fake than real life.

They really do what they, whats fake about that! ;)

SoKKlab

27-Jul-2003, 12:17 PM

True,
that Pro-wrestlers are entertainers, so to an extent they are 'Fake' when it comes to 'Real' martial arts, but Wrestling as a system itself is anything but fake. And Pro-wrestling, even as an entertainment still hurts alot.

To stress the difference. Pro-wrestling is hard physical training, with entertainment, Routines, partner co-operation etc/.

Wrestling as a physical art itself, is hardcore. If you were able to learn Real Catch wrestling, that would be a set of great skills to add to your arsenal.

Pound for pound, regardless of whether it's real wrestling or Pro-entertainment, they are still fantastic athletes with some decent skills, although admittedly Pro-Wrestling is not 'Real' Fighting, but then neither are alot of Martial Arts, either...

pgm316

28-Jul-2003, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by SoKKlab

Pound for pound, regardless of whether it's real wrestling or Pro-entertainment, they are still fantastic athletes with some decent skills, although admittedly Pro-Wrestling is not 'Real' Fighting, but then neither are alot of Martial Arts, either...

Thats what I think! What many martial artists do is arguably far more fake. :rolleyes:

Tosh

28-Jul-2003, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by SoKKlab

To stress the difference. Pro-wrestling is hard physical training, with entertainment, Routines, partner co-operation etc/.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

TKD AND PRO WRESTLING ARE THE SAME!!

Hard Physical Training ....CHECK!

Entertainment = Points Sparring ...... CHECK!

Routines = Patterns/Kata .....CHECK!

Partner Co-operation = Step Sparring .......CHECK!

Right I'm off to find myself a costume!

You will now know me as "Roy Mysterio Senior"!

pgm316

28-Jul-2003, 09:55 AM

I'll shave my head and be Austin then! :D

SoKKlab

28-Jul-2003, 12:23 PM

I want to be Big Show, but I'll have to get on a Rack stretching machine and eat ten meals a day for that one.

Bring Back Big Daddy, that's what I say!

kobudo_tob

28-Jul-2003, 02:07 PM

Apparantly, "Big Daddy" Shirley Crabtree was a nasty piece of work, even though he was a major 'face' (good guy). Giant Haystacks was supposedly a really nice guy, even though he played the biggest 'heel' (bad guy) in the business.

But my two favourite wrestlers unfortunately passed away prematurely - Owen Hart and Curt "Mr Perfect" Hennig. But thats another thread...

SoKKlab

28-Jul-2003, 08:39 PM

Read The Wrestling by Simon Garfield (Faber and Faber) for a cool history of British Wrestling (Yes that was Pro-wrestling too), for a break down on who the real villains were.

Shirley was a horror.

Sambo Master

30-Jul-2003, 06:25 PM

thats all what i think

i want to get involved in pro wrestling for some cash and the fun and so on

i am only 16 but i want to be involved HELP!

kobudo_tob

30-Jul-2003, 09:42 PM

Sambo Master : Join a school and get trained. Have a look at Hammerlock wrestling, or search for British Pro Wresling on google.

SoKKLAB - where can I purchase this book? :D

KenpoDavid

30-Jul-2003, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by kobudo_tob
Apparantly, "Big Daddy" Shirley Crabtree was a nasty piece of work, even though he was a major 'face' (good guy). Giant Haystacks was supposedly a really nice guy, even though he played the biggest 'heel' (bad guy) in the business.

Wow, neck-snapping flash-back to my teenage years in East Anglia (Mildenhall to be exact). yes I live in Nebraska USA now, but when I read Giant Haystacks and Big Daddy... it's amazing how much you can forget...

YODA

30-Jul-2003, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by Sambo Master
thats all what i think

i want to get involved in pro wrestling for some cash and the fun and so on

i am only 16 but i want to be involved HELP!

Step 1: Learn to wrestle - not show stuff - real wrestling- Freestyle. This is your foundation.

SoKKlab

30-Jul-2003, 10:55 PM

Kobudo,
The Wrestling by Simon Garfield is published by Faber and Faber, so any decent larger bookshop would either carry it or be able to order it for you.

It's well worth a few reads, some of the fights were hysterical in the early days, ear lobes going in peoples drinks etc.

It's great.

Sambo Master

31-Jul-2003, 06:04 PM

i do freestyle, sambo, ratcatcher and grecco roman wrestling so i know all of that

FullContactKid

29-Dec-2003, 10:03 PM

Pro Wrestling is the biggest digrace to real wrestling ever. It shouldnt even be called Pro "Wrestling" it should be called Pro Entertainment. The people who participate may be skilled in some art but this art should never be referred to as wrestling or anything cloe to wrestling. lol Im sorry to anyone who likes it but I hate it man i really do I am a wrestler and people actually confuse the real sport with what those bozos on tv do and it really ticks me off wow man wow

Omega

29-Jan-2004, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by FullContactKid
Pro Wrestling is the biggest digrace to real wrestling ever. It shouldnt even be called Pro "Wrestling" it should be called Pro Entertainment. The people who participate may be skilled in some art but this art should never be referred to as wrestling or anything cloe to wrestling. lol Im sorry to anyone who likes it but I hate it man i really do I am a wrestler and people actually confuse the real sport with what those bozos on tv do and it really ticks me off wow man wow

Actually it's called Sport Entertainment. If you want to make fun of some pro wrestlers and get pissed off at them, talke to Shelton Benjamin, Charlie Haas, Kurt Angle, and Dan Severn. They don't seem to have a problem with it. Grow a thicker skin.

As for "pro wrestling moves" and what I think> I've actually pulled off the "boston crab", "camel clutch", Figure four leg lock (modified just like the one in your picture), clover leaf, Sharpshooter, oh and I'm pretty sure everybody here has pulled off the "sleeper hold". There's some good stuff in Pro Wrestling. Just realize it's all in fun and we'll all be happy.

Shaolin Dragon

29-Jan-2004, 08:12 PM

And how many of us have watched Jet Li or Jackie Chan? How is their work any less "fake?"

Don Davies

30-Jan-2004, 04:12 AM

Originally posted by Sambo Master
thats all what i think

i want to get involved in pro wrestling for some cash and the fun and so on

i am only 16 but i want to be involved HELP!

Make sure you go to a good school. There are a lot more McDojos in pro wrestling then in MA. Make sure you go to a school that has a good track record. There have been a lot of people who have been screwed out of money (myself included). They ask for a few thousand on the first lesson and say they will train you for x number of months/years but you never end up hearing from them again.

saikyou

30-Jan-2004, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by Don Davies
Make sure you go to a good school. There are a lot more McDojos in pro wrestling then in MA. Make sure you go to a school that has a good track record. There have been a lot of people who have been screwed out of money (myself included). They ask for a few thousand on the first lesson and say they will train you for x number of months/years but you never end up hearing from them again.

agree. i hate it when that happens

Adam

30-Jan-2004, 02:48 PM

Is there such a thing as "Combat Pro Wrestling" or whatever, or is it being taught merely for entertainment and sport purposes today?

saikyou

30-Jan-2004, 11:26 PM

pro wrestling is pure entertainment. that's my opinion.

Don Davies

31-Jan-2004, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by Adam
Is there such a thing as "Combat Pro Wrestling" or whatever, or is it being taught merely for entertainment and sport purposes today?

In Japan a lot of pro wrestlers are trained in MMA first and then pro wrestling. The purpose is that the kicks, punches and submissions look more real to the fans. There are also a lot companys that used the same rules as pro wrestling but it's all real.

saikyou

31-Jan-2004, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by Don Davies
In Japan a lot of pro wrestlers are trained in MMA first and then pro wrestling. The purpose is that the kicks, punches and submissions look more real to the fans. There are also a lot companys that used the same rules as pro wrestling but it's all real.

i think its what you call "shoot wrestling"

Poop-Loops

16-Feb-2004, 09:21 PM

Pro wrestling techniques are damn near impossible to pull off and extremely dangerous. I mean, people don't really bounce off of ropes, or let you grab them while they are bent over. And, if a normal person gets power-bombed on the street, he ain't getting up.

PL

Budd

04-Mar-2004, 01:28 PM

I train with Steve Blackman in submission fighting and I'd put him up against most of the so-called grandmasters that populate the various "Martial Arts Hall of Fames" that abound. My money would be on Steve most every time.

As for the guys that think pro-wrestling is all fake and for show and that its participants don't have any skill -- I suggest you ask one of these guys to free-spar sometime. It should be an eye-opener.

Adam

04-Mar-2004, 08:12 PM

How's their groundwork/submissions?

Budd

04-Mar-2004, 08:26 PM

How's their groundwork/submissions?

Train with someone that came out of the Lion's Den or Stu Hart's Dungeon in North America and you'll likely find somebody that knows a thing or two about any of the above.

FortuneFaded

04-Mar-2004, 08:46 PM

Ah the joys of being influenced as a 10 year old by WWF (as it was known before those bamboo munching panda lovers sued vince :D), getting sparred on by the warning

"whatever you do dont try this at home..."

having a tin lid of quality streets, a ladder and yes, a trampoline, those days were fun, chaotic and wild. i wanted to be a wrestler back then.

I was like the 'hardy boyz' back in the day, lmao about 6 years ago *whistles*, thats how they got into the wrestling scene.

Wrestling isnt 'fake' but it's not exactly real, its an art, roughly speaking, a theatric production to entertain people of all ages. I remember the day when i was around 13 watching 'summerslam' Austin vs Triple H in a cage match, it was half way through the match and at 4am in the morning that i realised how it was a production, seeing austin hit triple H in the head and missing terribly was shocking too see, as with Triple H, actinig as if his head was just caved in by a sledge hammer. i was in distraught, my brothers teasings were true. I tried to watch and elude myself of the reality but damn it, they do their job, acrobatic routines.

Show wrestling like WWE is quite diverse in my opinion, ok the act, its a routine but wow what a routine, allthough normal fights aint that spectacular, the main events are. Especially when you see someone like cactus jack flying off the cage onto a table etc. Heck, see when they bleed? They actually cut themselves with a blade.

It is theater, theater for everyone, thick or smart. There is humor, the rediculous plot lines and sometimes quite intresting ones, the amusing rivaleries that end in a couple of men in tights, lol, dancing around a ring talking to each other about what moves to do. The ref that if his nose his flicked, he'll stay down long enough for the 'baddies' to double team. Hell the crowd seem to go ape sh!t for the antics.

I wish i could still watch wrestling without noticing the bad acting.

Budd

05-Mar-2004, 12:45 PM

How many people here realize the overlap of folks that have done both Pro-Wrestling and Shoot Fighting, NHB, UFC, Pride or other MMA-type events?

Tireces

05-Mar-2004, 11:40 PM

It is is fake, doesn't work, and hurts a lot.

They are great athletes... with poor acting skills :D and there job is very hard.

But it is not fighting, most of the techniques rely on the co-operation and compliance of your opponent.

Indeed, many of the moves rely heavily on the guy getting it performed on him "going up" into them using his legs. As for anyone looking to get into it as a career, I wouldn't recommend it. Indy (independant) wrestling may be alright, but the guys in the WWE do not have any easy schedule. At that level, using performance enhancing drugs is practically a must just to stay in the spotlight with everyone else, without winding up losing a lot of physique because of the schedule you must work. As is using painkillers, so you can keep working through all the rough bumps. You'll also wind up faced with a lot of unfairness and stupid politics, seeing as the results are pre-determined. Take that all into mind before you decide you want to be a pro wrestler.

Krazy5051

22-Jun-2004, 12:33 AM

Greetings everyone,

Glad to see some of you respect wrestling or more the 'sports entertainment' side of things.

From the outside, sports entertainment is indeed 'showcase of the immortals' - what is scripted and performed by these athletes really pushes the boundaries of what is possible - and allowable - in reality.

Inside however, like someone mentioned, heavy politics, backstabbing and the peer pressure of drug use and drug abuse (both which are demons in sports, pro wrestling in particular) makes the industry a dangerous one.

Japanese Wrestling tends to be alot more 'stiffer' - because the kicks and punches make much more contact and alot more pain endurance is needed.

A very good friend of mine has been in Canada this past year training solidly with the Hart's. I look forward to seeing him in November when his 365 day training schedule ends. It will be interesting to see what exactly in detail was covered at 'the dungeon'. I'll let you all know though and i'm sure he will come back looking a little bit more 'larger than life' so to speak.

Yours in martial arts,

Kid.

Don Davies

22-Jun-2004, 03:29 AM

Japanese Wrestling tends to be alot more 'stiffer' - because the kicks and punches make much more contact and alot more pain endurance is needed.

It depends on how you define pain endurance. Japanese wrestling is more stiffer but you do get more time to heal. In Japan they do tours so it's usually 4 weeks wrestling and 4 weeks sitting at home healing.

WWE has there wrestlers constantly working so even though the style is not as stiff they have no time to heal from injurys unless they are seriously injured.

Fallacio

12-Aug-2004, 09:25 AM

Mushroom

12-Aug-2004, 12:00 PM

Ken I believe is back into wrestling, with the NWA-TNA group. Not sure how long that is going to last though.

Sean O Haire and Goldberg want to go into K1 and Pride

WWE was one of the main reason I wanted to learn grappling and by luck I have been able to get a couple of those moves in (figure 4 leg lock, half boston and a cross-face! with an omoplata mixed in :D )

After watching documentaries like Beyond the Mat, it just shows how hard these guys train. A usual day for them would be 6 hour travel, practice, perfom to live crowd, rush for another travel, then sleep, then the next day would be the same..usually for one whole year!

notquitedead

12-Aug-2004, 08:55 PM

SoKKlab,

From some of your posts on the first page, it seems you are confusing pro wrestling with actual wrestling. There are very few similarites between pro wrestling and actual wrestling styles (such as freestyle and greco-roman).

Neil-o-Mac

13-Aug-2004, 10:06 PM

Sean O Haire and Goldberg want to go into K1 and Pride

Ha, Goldberg got punked out by Chris Jericho in a backstage fight last year...I can see him getting destroyed in a full on shoot match by a trained fighter.

Of course, that'll mean it'll probably be worked, but hey ho.

Mushroom

13-Aug-2004, 11:57 PM

really? Damn didnt know Y2J had it in him.
I think it was last year that Bas Rutten was training Goldberg not sure what his present situation is, also Goldberg is good friend with Ken Shamrock so they train together too.

What happened backstage then?

Neil-o-Mac

14-Aug-2004, 08:17 AM

There was some harsh words, a bit of shoving, maybe some punching, and before you know it, Jericho had Goldberg in a front facelock, with Goldberg screaming like a girl. Golden Rule of Pro Wrestling #527: Don't mess with Hart Dungeon trainees. They'll stretch you good. :p :D

Mushroom

14-Aug-2004, 11:04 AM

Golden Rule of Pro Wrestling #527: Don't mess with Hart Dungeon trainees. They'll stretch you good. :p :D

Yup I saw Bret Hart : Wrestling with Shadows documentary. Never heard so much men screaming in pain...was so funny. :D

Musashi Kyo

05-Oct-2004, 04:20 AM

I Love pro Wrestling. I wanted to become one, I used to "backyard" wrestle and its too fun, the crowd. Its has so many little details and its cool to work with poeple to put on a show.SO FUN.
Just keep it as safe as possible, eh.

TwIsT

07-Oct-2004, 07:57 AM

Just Reading Thru This i noticed that alot of people dont know too much about this topic.

I am a Pro-wrestler, and I gotta tell ya, it aint easy. The impact is all real,same too with the punches so many people describe as fake,although some wrestlers have exceptionally poor strikes. I'll never forget the day i landed on my shoulders during Training and demolished my back and ribs.

The submissions we use generally hurt quite a bit,but we learn to make things look tighter,rather than actually stretch one another. My trainer sometimes has us practice holds that would make some of the toughest fighters in the world tap and cry.

As for Needing partner co-operation, that is needed only for safey's purpose. I also train in MMA and use "Fake" moves during fights,Im not bragging but i dont lose often. If A wrestler wanted to give you an arm drag,chances are they would,and struggling doesnt help the situation,no help and you break your neck in all reality.

I Do Get a bit offended when people diss wrestling,Alot of wrestlers have real skills,i do,and in the ground fighting game,there aint much better. Part of the usual training regime is amateur style submission fights to work on mat work.

For info on my company see-www.awfwrestling.com.au

Scooter

11-Oct-2004, 07:27 PM

I am also a wrestler and I can tell you that training to be a pro wrestler is harder that training in a MA. Taking bumps HURT. When people say the punches are fake then all they have seen is people who suck. My last match I was busted up pretty bad from an elbow to the face. And don't get me started on getting chopped the first time I was chopped my chest started bleeding I had a scar for 2 months.

TwIsT

13-Oct-2004, 03:19 AM

Not To mention travel..alot of wrestlers travel for hours to go to a show,and usually only for a minimal amount of pay. I travel 6 hours just to get to and from training. And Scooter is right bumps hurt,and if a guy is good his strikes wont tickle,I've been kicked in the back so hard I thought my head would burst,And have been chopped so well that i had a hand print on my chest for a week and a half. But i think its hell fun aside from the pain,which i will put up with for the audience :D

Big Pete Boy

14-Oct-2004, 07:02 PM

On the subject of Y2J, i heard he was a top Harts dungeon guy, schooling most of the guys he trained with there.

I've read a lot of Pro-Wrestling biographies inc.. Tommy Billington, Dwayn Johnson, Kurt Angle, Mick Foley & Jerry lawler. Also read Sex, Lies & Headlocks. It's amazing to read the hardships they endured and the sacrifices they made for their craft. I hate the use of the word "Fake" in reference to Pro-Wrestling. Choreographed, yes. But not fake. The training they go through, the contact they make, the injuries they sustain, the effort they put in, the love of their craft can not be called fake.

Adam

04-Nov-2004, 07:36 PM

Question: Where do all the really bizarre moves from pro-wrestling come from? I mean, if I got in a fight I wouldn't even think of using something like a double legged drop kick or a lariat or clothesline in a million years. Where have all these moves come from? Were they in the style originally or have they been added as the style became more and more for show?

TwIsT

05-Nov-2004, 01:26 AM

The moves come from a variety of places,some effective,some for show. Lariats Wrok if your opponents guard is down unless you throw it hard enough to break thru. Alot of the move's wrestlers use are quite effective actually,and then again alot are just for sow and were invented to look good not actually cause that much damage.

Lucharaan

15-Feb-2005, 04:16 PM

Pro Wrestling is my life, I love being a rookie and just doing it for fun, sure it's not real, but the bruises we get are. Lucha libre is an art to me, it is a form of beauty I like to give to the people who want to see a show. Pro wrestling is a great form of entertainment, someday I wanna be a real pro-wrestler.

tel

15-Feb-2005, 05:03 PM

been watching pro wrestling for15 yrs now,respect to all the wrestlers out there,now the pain,injurys hard work and no money,all for litttle respect

Ricree101

09-Mar-2005, 07:35 AM

Yes, pro wrestlers are certainly good athletes. That said, pro wrestling is most definitely no where near a martial art, even though there are pro wrestlers who are also good martial artists. In reply to the original poster, who asked about doing pro wrestling moves, I would strongly recomend against it. First of all, most of the moves are unsafe and could result in serious injury to your opponent. At the same time, most of the moves are very impractical to get against a resisting opponent.

There are some moves in pro wrestling that correspond to actual martial arts moves, but even in those cases it is still better to learn them from an experienced teacher rather than trying to emulate wrestling moves.

TwIsT

10-Mar-2005, 10:52 AM

Pro wrestling is a martial art, its combat, it conditions the body to be tougher, it focuses the mind..... I dont see how someone could say that it isnt a martial art?

Lucharaan

10-Mar-2005, 02:17 PM

Pro wrestling is a martial art, its combat, it conditions the body to be tougher, it focuses the mind..... I dont see how someone could say that it isnt a martial art?

Yea! Plus the really dangerous moves can be used in self defense! Pick up and DDT somebody's ass if they hit you!

Ricree101

10-Mar-2005, 05:11 PM

its combat

Is it? As far as I've ever heard, it is not in any way combat. It is flashy and unrealistic prearanged entertainment. I have a large amount of respect for those who are professional wrestlers, but unless they have MA skills from somewhere I don't see how they can be considered martial artists.

TwIsT

11-Mar-2005, 03:13 AM

Most of what is learnt in professional wrestling can be used in actual combat, it's just like any other martial art class ive been in, just more full on.

Ricree101

11-Mar-2005, 05:26 AM

Most of what is learnt in professional wrestling can be used in actual combat, it's just like any other martial art class ive been in, just more full on.

Are you watching the same professional wrestling that I am? Last time I checked, few people are successful in fights by backfliping off of a set of ropes to land on their opponent.

Real wrestling, on the other hand, is very applicable to martial arts training. I hope that you aren't confusing the two.

kungfufighter

11-Mar-2005, 07:58 PM

I agree with ricree, i can't stand pro wrestling.

TwIsT

12-Mar-2005, 09:46 AM

I not only watch man... I live it, As i said before dudes... i AM a wrestler.

Lucharaan

12-Mar-2005, 07:00 PM

Is it? As far as I've ever heard, it is not in any way combat. It is flashy and unrealistic prearanged entertainment. I have a large amount of respect for those who are professional wrestlers, but unless they have MA skills from somewhere I don't see how they can be considered martial artists.

Trust me, Twist is right. Anybody who doesn't believe pro wrestling can be used in a real fight come over here so I can slam u! :eek:

Ricree101

12-Mar-2005, 10:15 PM

I not only watch man... I live it, As i said before dudes... i AM a wrestler.

I have to admit that I'm not that familiar with professional wrestling beyond what is seen on TV. Perhaps you could share some specific examples of how professional wrestling teaches you to fight effectively.

TwIsT

14-Mar-2005, 10:25 AM

For starters your mat work will improve dramatically, that includeds moving, grappling becomes alot stronger, I can't speak of every Dojo/training school, but you must be taught crowd control techniques AND self defence on top of what you learn for show, And al the basic moves we learn are LEGIT, Plus we learn breakfalls for weeks before we are even allowed in the ring. I've never met a wrester who cant take impact as well.

Krazy5051

20-Mar-2005, 04:34 PM

I'll stand ground for the pro wrestlers.

Grappling, weight distribution, upper-submission moves, lower-submission moves, variety of punches, variety of kicks. Throws, takedowns, sequential manouevres from these into submission moves.

Powerhouse, technical, brawling, high-flying are all category pro wrestlers.

Alot of the crazy costumes and moves originate from the mexican scene. Alot of the lethal submissions originate from Japanese (coincidence?).

A martial art exhibition is no different from professional wrestlng.

Yours in martial arts,

Kid

BigBeat

04-Jun-2005, 04:58 PM

I have watched wrestling since 1988 (wrestlemania 4). It still appeals to me for a number of reasons:

* Respect - I respect all those guys, for the skills they have acquired and demonstrate nearly every night, risking personal injury to have a 'fake' match

Sacrifices - If you have seen the documentary 'beyond the mat' or read Mick Foley or Rick Flairs book (Woooooooooooo!) then you realise the personal sacrifices these people make to themselves and their families for more often than not very little money.

The Politics - On screen stories aside, it is more interesting reading about what goes on behind the scenes, wrestlers being pushed or held down. ssshhhh Kayfabe! Here is a link to a very good Internet Radio show that discusses such points - http://www.betweentheropes.com/

Nostalgia - I still remember me any my brother 'wrestling' at home an in our version of a hell in a cell (A bouncy castle that was hired for a Birthday party)

What does ANNOY me to this day is people saying 'You know it is fake' ' It is fixed so why watch it'. The key point here is sports entertainment, these people have to tell a story in the time they have in front of the camera, the story needs to grab people's attention, you should get behind the hero (although most recently the anti-hero) and hate the villain. There is a build up, a confrontation, an ending. Hmmmmm, sounds like a Movie. To me wrestling is a live movie with the stars performing their own stunts for my entertainment.

It is strange but I do not get the same reaction from people if I say I am going to watch a movie. "So you are going to watch Star Wars, you do know it is Fake, he is not really a Jedi" :bang:

slipthejab

04-Jun-2005, 05:25 PM

Wow!

I saw the title for this thread and thought - how lame is that... a bunch of people slaggin' off pro wrestlers.

I am pleasantly surprised!

Pro wrestlers are amazing athletes. While I'd rather watch Pride/UFC/K-1/Shooto etc. - there is no denying how incredibley fit and coordinated pro wrestlers are.

Most people think wrestling is a bunch of guys rolling around in their underware. At least those not schooled up enough to know it's not. So by extension most people think that pro wrestlers are just bigger guys rolling around in their underware.

LOL. It's the classic old perception v.s. reality. Going back over the history of wrestling and how pro wrestling came about - you can gain a real appreciation for how wrestling has evolved and how friggin' tough some of the wrestlers of times past are.

Anyone who slags pro wrestling is talkin' out of there hat.

Mystyk

16-Jun-2005, 03:24 PM

I do Greco roman wrestling during the school year. It may look easy and all and pretty pussy, but its hard as hell.

RR1

17-Jun-2005, 12:08 AM

Ok though i may be biased i believe Pro Wrestling not only to be a martial art but a very effective one at that. I personally practice both Professional and ametuer wrestling. pro wresting if you look at it is a very balanced form of martial art. With a large variety of grappling and submission. if mixed with the striking styles of another martial art wrestling can be very effective.
but then agian i might just be biased

TwIsT

19-Jun-2005, 02:24 AM

It works for me Subway ;)

PS: i had a Pro match last night and did the Job, My best match ever IMO.

RR1

27-Jun-2005, 07:48 AM

thats all what i think

i want to get involved in pro wrestling for some cash and the fun and so on

i am only 16 but i want to be involved HELP!

If ur in the areas specified i recomend checking this place out
http://www.wildsamoan.com/wildsamoanfrontpage.html

its the best school in the US by far

TwIsT

09-Jul-2005, 12:49 PM

www.awfwrestling.com.au easily the best school in Australia

nonsense

17-Dec-2005, 03:57 AM

I dont practice Pro-wrestling, wrestling, but I do know some friends in pro wrestling.
He's tough like hell.....
I think pro-wrestlers are amazing athletes, and they would do well in MMA, which almost everyone agrees about its closeness of a real fight... Look at pro wrestlers from America or Japan, they are amazingly good, like Sakuraba

McClanahan

19-Dec-2005, 05:18 PM

Hey,

BigBeat that Star Wars thing is a good point. I do think that those Pro-Wrestlers are in great shape and are good athletes. Plus, there are moves in Pro-Wrestling that could be applied to MMA and self defense. Obviously the Pro-Wrestlers aren't pushovers when it comes to grappling either because look at the difficulty they gave some of the Gracies in the early days of Pride.

McClanahan :)

rubberband

24-Dec-2005, 12:57 AM

I have been trying to avoid the thread for the same reasons slip the jab listed... but I think I can add some valuable input... I trained with Billy Wicks for five years... he is an old school pro wrestler/catch as catch can carnival wrestler... He was an enforcer for a pro circuit out of Mobile Alabama...

Basically the old style of Pro wrestling gives alot of training in bait and switch and hooking on the fly... As a pro wreslter in the carnival it was important to make a real match last as long as possible to stir up the crowd... so pro wrestlers learned to lead a guy and ride in safety until they needed to lose or win depending on the pay or the day... Carnival wrestlers lost on the first days after they set up and then offered four times the money for rematch on Sunday before they left town... then on Sunday they would drag the match out as long as possible to get the audience betting on the home town boy... and whammo... he is suddenly tapped out... they collect their bank and leave town...

The promoters of pro circuits would recruit wrestlers of many backgrounds and use the ones skilled in real submissions to "enforce" the rules of the ring for them... if a wrestler who was told to lose wona fight, his next fight would be with an enforcer who would stretch him and punish him and then defeat him... this is how ego was kept in check in the old days according to Billy Wicks...

Riding is the most important skill that a pro wrestler can teach you...

I don't know much about modern wrestling entertainment so I can't speak on that...

I think every martial art has merit no matter how it looks to the outsider...

take care, steve

breakerjohn

24-Dec-2005, 12:57 PM

Pro wrestling matches are obviously worked, some well done, others not. Personally I have never enjoyed watching worked or fixed fights.
You can't beat shoot wrestling because it is genuine. Show wrestling is crappy!
Shoot means to shoot for the legs and also 'real'. Show wrestling is another word for fixed or worked. (For those who do not know the difference).

TwIsT

25-Dec-2005, 07:42 AM

In pro wrestling its worked because it can make for a spectacular show, with High Flying, Devastating holds, throws and Slams. It's for the Action movie Feel, not meant to be confused as real, however, it IS meant to look as realistic as possible with the Cinematic stuff included.

Best job in the world!

Korpy

25-Dec-2005, 04:15 PM

I use to love Pro Wrestling as a kid. But as the gimmicks became stupid and then it got boring. I hate the WWE. I use to like TNA, but it's like every move is a flying move, so I don't care for it anymore.

There are 2 organizations that I like though. Ring of Honor and UPW (Ultimate Pro Wrestling)

This april when Ring of Honor comes to Chicago, I might go see it.

Also Hulk Hogan is like one of my favorite people ever. :D :cool:

TwIsT

26-Dec-2005, 07:14 AM

Ring of Honor Bores me, the quality of the wrestling is thru the roof, but the fact that almost everyone in the company is the same and do the same moves over and over gets to me.

Korpy

26-Dec-2005, 02:39 PM

Ring of Honor Bores me, the quality of the wrestling is thru the roof, but the fact that almost everyone in the company is the same and do the same moves over and over gets to me.

Just like the WWE has everybody having some dumb gimmick together or someone gets fired. Or how TNA every other move is a flying move.

Do you like the UPW?

TwIsT

27-Dec-2005, 08:52 AM

Gimmicks are fun lol.

TNA annoys me too.

Depends, there are so many UPW's out there.

shaolin_hendrix

06-Jan-2006, 04:28 AM

Fake Wrestling is annoying IMHO.

TwIsT

06-Jan-2006, 07:24 AM

So's Seinfield IMHO.

:p

TheMachine

06-Jan-2006, 07:49 AM

I'm a pro wrestling fan and actually want to watch the japanese pro wrestlers since these guys look tough

shaolin_hendrix

06-Jan-2006, 11:16 PM

So's Seinfield IMHO. :p
touche...

TwIsT

08-Jan-2006, 02:33 AM

Japanese Pro Wrestling is amongst, if not, the Finest in the world. Perfect blend of Skill, Charisma and Silly Gimmicks. I suggest you try to get some tapes. Stiffest Wrestling i've seen.

Korpy

11-Jan-2006, 03:12 AM

I would love to watch Japanese Pro Wrestling.

Lucha Libre is pretty interesting.

Korpy

26-Jan-2006, 02:41 AM

My favorite pro wrestling is the days of Hogan, Savage. Sting, Goldberg, Piper.

sak39rvd

27-Jan-2006, 07:04 PM

I highly reccomend Japanese wrestling!!! I watch everything I can but am bored out of my mind with WWE and TNA (but Samoa Joe is there so I give them props), but ROH and Japanese wrestling is what I watch mainly now.

It's fake, full of silly gimmicks, and other outrageous junk, but these guys are ungodly athletes that work schedeules that would kill most people. So they have my utmost respect

Korpy

28-Jan-2006, 05:50 PM