Belt fighting?

[Adam]

On my holliday in Norway, I was fooling around with my cousin and trying to use normal leather waist belts as choking, submitting and throwing aids/weapons with some effect. I believe using your belt to tie up/choke opponents might be useful in a fight.
Are there any styles that use belts as weapons or have I stumbled across something original here?

[Kinjiro Tsukasa]

We use ropes (among many other things) in my style (Budo Taijutsu), and I suppose a belt could substitute for a piece of rope.

[Freeform]

Nah, been there done that. Have you tried to bind somebodies hands with a leather belt like they do in the movies? Doesn't work, does it!

Col

[thiaboxr2]

Panandantan(spelling correct?) is a FMA that also trains to fight with a rope. Supposed to be the hardest weapon to train with in that style.

I believe there are various styles in Silat that also train with rope.

[pesilat]

Originally posted by Adam
On my holliday in Norway, I was fooling around with my cousin and trying to use normal leather waist belts as choking, submitting and throwing aids/weapons with some effect. I believe using your belt to tie up/choke opponents might be useful in a fight.
Are there any styles that use belts as weapons or have I stumbled across something original here?

Flexible weapons is one of my favorite areas of training. Most of my training with them comes from the Cipecut section of Mande Muda Silat.

But I've seen flexible weapons in Filipino, Korean, Chinese, and Japanese arts as well.

Check the "Montage from Flexible Weapons Workshop" at my website: http://impactacademy.com/videos for a couple of things that I do with flexible weapons (no belt material in the clip, but all the same principles).

Mike

[Bigfoot]

Yeah we use belts often in our Jiu-Jitsu training. We use them to disarm, throw, lock, chock and immobilize. If you tie a leather belt correctly, you have to cut it free once applied.

[Sonshu]

With a leather belt it would take you and another 1-5 mins to get out of it!

Promise!

[Jointlock]

Hapkido has rope/belt techniques. From what I've seen it is very useful for blocking kicks, punches, and for choking, and wrapping an arm and holding on to it while you use strikes.

[pesilat]

My instructor is currently in the process of putting together the first in a set of videos (looking at 3 vids at least) dealing with this subject (flexible weapons in general). It's coming along well and the vids should be available within a month or two (we hope).

Mike

[Kwajman]

My instructor does a demonstration a couple of times a year where he breaks boards, takes down an attacker and ties him up, defends himself with his belt. Doesn't really have a purpose but its cool to watch....

[Shaolin Dragon]

Doesn't really have any purpose? It means he is never without a weapon.

Provided he's wearing trousers...

[pesilat]

Originally posted by Shaolin Dragon
Doesn't really have any purpose? It means he is never without a weapon.

Provided he's wearing trousers...

:) But, beyond that, once flexible weapons are understood, you can use the clothes you're wearing (without taking them off), the clothes your opponent is wearing (while he's wearing them), the strap of a bag, a towel (if you're at the beach or in the shower), a bandana, a plastic grocery sack, etc. Virtually anything flexible that you can get hold of (even if it's currently being worn by you or someone else) can be used.

This means that you're really never without access to weapons - the opportunity to get hold of them and use them may not present itself, but the weapons will be there.

Mike

[Cain]

Remind me not to wear any kind of shirt when sparring with you Mike :eek:

And probably shoelaces also since you might strangle me with them.....




:D

|Cain|

[pesilat]

Originally posted by Cain
Remind me not to wear any kind of shirt when sparring with you Mike :eek:

And probably shoelaces also since you might strangle me with them.....




:D

|Cain|

If I can get to them, I can use them ;)

Mike

[littlebird]

Belts have long been used to augment the fist by the Military.
Just wrap it around the hand. Protects the hand and provides a better more forceful strike with the fist.
Likewise use of the buckle (if fairly large and heavy) as a striking instrument with the same wrap as above but with about 6 to 12 inches of belt dangling with the buckle.
Bikers also use them.
Sometimes bikers have used motorcycle chains as belts and then you can see the weapon potential of their belt.

It is useful when you are "disarmed" supposedly.

[thekingster]

A relatively new Korean art, Han Mu Do, which was founded in 1989, makes use of belts in defense.

[KenpoDavid]

Teh kempo I study has some belt techniques, but I haven't reached them yet.

[khafra]

Originally posted by pesilat
:) ...the clothes your opponent is wearing (while he's wearing them)...
Mike

And where can I learn to remove the opponent's clothes while using them against her, if I happen to be fighting someone exceptionally attractive?

Seriously though, I remember asking you a long time ago where to learn Cipecut, and I still haven't found a Mande Muda teacher. Sounds like valuable stuff--but I guess I'll find a teacher someday, or perhaps Han Mu Do, I'll be spending a year or so in South Korea somewhere, starting in January.

[pesilat]

Originally posted by khafra
And where can I learn to remove the opponent's clothes while using them against her, if I happen to be fighting someone exceptionally attractive?

Seriously though, I remember asking you a long time ago where to learn Cipecut, and I still haven't found a Mande Muda teacher. Sounds like valuable stuff--but I guess I'll find a teacher someday, or perhaps Han Mu Do, I'll be spending a year or so in South Korea somewhere, starting in January.

LOL :)

Well, I'm currently in the process of editing a flexible weapons video for my instructor. It's not Cipecut specifically - it's my instructor's take on flexible weapons based on what he learned in Mande Muda and blended with what he's learned from his other Silat instructors. It's shaping up to be a really good video. It'll be for sale early next year.

Mike