Ki training

[Orchid]

Hi. I'm sort of new to this whole forum thing. I also practice kuk sool won and I'm loving it, but I was just wondering if your schools have a big emphasis on ki training other than you're basic ki cho cha gi. Is there any other meditations or techniques that you guys incorporate into your training? ok thanks.

[KSWDragon]

we also do some of the meditation positions - 12 of them. Don't really do them in class though, meant to do it as part of your own training!!!

[AZeitung]

You're referring to Dahn Juhn Ki Bub, which the textbook says will give you the strength of 7 men - lol.

Personally, I preffer taiji meditation. I don't know if it actually helps my martial arts at all, but it does have proven health benefits, and it can be very relaxing. My arms get tired in wuji, though. So maybe it will help me keep my hands up after doing a lot of jabs :).

[JSun]

We occasionally pump ki to the hands in class by assuming a horse stance, spreading our fingers out as wide as possible and then clenching the fists as tight as possible. Repeat 100 times.

[AZeitung]

We do the same thing, but to excercize our fingers.

[JSun]

Personally, I preffer taiji meditation. I don't know if it actually helps my martial arts at all, but it does have proven health benefits, and it can be very relaxing.

I'd say. Although I've found if I do my KS hyung at about the same pace as the Yang form, they help me relax too.

[baubin2]

Could someone go through the list of Ki Cho Cha Gi and Dahn Juhn Ki Bub? My memory of them is sort of haphazard and having something to refer to would really help me to get them down solid.

[ember]

Ki Cho Cha Gi
1) Horse-riding stance, hands at hips. Spread the fingers & ki-ap, move the hands slowly out, bring them up and stand up.

2) Stand with feet shoulder-width apart, cross hands over chest. Ki-ap & spread the fingers, uncross the hands and bring them down the sides of the body, slight squat.

3) Keep feet shoulder-width apart, hands outstretched, palms up & fingers spread. Ki-ap, turn the backs of the hands towards the middle, and bring the arms forward. Shake them out in front of you.

4) Hands out in front, fingers spread, turned out as far as you can. This is a quick breath, turning the hands in and up as you bring the arms in to the shoulders, ki-ap and bring them out.

5) Picking up a big heavy rock. Start from the squat, hands in front. Ki-ap, spread the fingers, raise the arms to the shoulders, keeping them there stand up.

6) Long front stance, hands at hips. Ki-ap, spread the fingers, bring hands forward, turn slowly 180 degrees to a front stance the other direction, drop the "ball" and shake out hands.

Dahn Juhn Ki Bub
1) Lying flat on back, feet straight out, one hand on the solar plexus (just above belly button), the other just below. Lower abdomen breathing- the lower hand should raise before the upper.

2) Cross the ankles. Guys put left foot on top, Gals put right on top.

3) Bring the feet in, bend the knees (kinda like for hip raises).

4) Lying on the side like watching tv, bottom hand supporting head (90 deg angle, elbow on floor), top hand in front resting about chest level. Top leg generally bent in front as well. Like 2, guys turn on the right side, gals to the left.

5) Lotus, half-lotus, or easy pose, hands on knees. (the rest keep this basic position and just move hands)

6) Right hand in front straight up & down, thumb toward chest, about chest level & about 1-2 hands out from chest.

7) Left hand out to meet the right, just far enough apart to feel the warmth between.

8) Inhale, move right hand out away from you (sort of warding position). Exhale, inhale, and bring right hand back in. Alternate hands. Do not have to switch hands on every breath, but should balance how long each is out. (i.e. 5 breaths right hand, 5 breaths left)

9) With the right hand out in the "warding position", bring left hand behind the back, palm out. This one is also a hand-switching motion, although here in particular it's generally several breaths in one position, then switch positions. Again try to balance how long each hand is in each position.

10) Bring the hands just above shoulders, near ears, palms aimed straight up.

11) Straighten the arms overhead, palms stay up, turn the fingers in so they are just outside touching range.

12) Bring hands down, both hands straight in front (like double palm strike).

At seminar this year kuk sa nym indicated that there was a 2nd and 3rd set of 12 breathing meditations, but that the first was most important.

There's also 11-12 breathing meditations done in front of your sword, meant to strengthen the wrists & arms for sword training.

Could someone go through the list of Ki Cho Cha Gi and Dahn Juhn Ki Bub? My memory of them is sort of haphazard and having something to refer to would really help me to get them down solid.

[baubin2]

Thanks ember. That really helps.

I've seen the sword meditations performed by the brown and black belts, but do not know them yet. Though I've heard that there will be a sword seminar at davenport. I hope so, because it means I'll be able to learn sword a belt level early :)

[Wolf]

actually a couple belt levels early. sword isn't technically on the curriculum till 1st degree. I haven't even started learning any sword stuff.

[baubin2]

actually a couple belt levels early. sword isn't technically on the curriculum till 1st degree. I haven't even started learning any sword stuff.
Nothing? Wow. Luckier for me then, I guess :)

[ember]

Really nothing? Not even in seminars? The first time I got staff was as a white belt in seminar, and I know I saw other colored belts working with other weapons.

We have a "black belt club" which is a couple of extra classes every month, for little bit more money, to work on weapons. Anyone yellow belt or higher is eligible. We do sword, staff, and jool bong.

actually a couple belt levels early. sword isn't technically on the curriculum till 1st degree. I haven't even started learning any sword stuff.

[JSun]

We have a "black belt club" which is a couple of extra classes every month, for little bit more money, to work on weapons. Anyone yellow belt or higher is eligible. We do sword, staff, and jool bong.

Yea, we get to start the archery as well in our BBC.

[Wolf]

Well, we didn't have such a club at my small university club. We started Jung Bong at blue. The only other weapon stuff we would do before black is a Jul Bong seminar once a semester and a Too Gum seminar once a year. I've only been to one of the super seminars, and that didn't have any weapons stuff. So I may have missed out on that. The only other seminars we got were on ground fighting and knife fighting.

The school that I'm at now does do the weapons stuff more similarly though. My instructor is just waiting till I finish up Baek Pahl Ki Hyung (2 more classes) to start me on Dahn Bong and Jung Gum since I've already gone this long without it.

EDIT: We did get to do archery as well.

[ember]

I didn't actually start our BBC until red stripe; when I started at our dojang they were re-doing the program. (I gather it used to be one of those now-disparaged pay X amount for unlimited classes until black belt programs.) Since I didn't have a staff to practice on at home, learning spinning 1-5 at my first seminar didn't make that huge of a difference.

It's just a very strange perspective for me. I remember the room, and y'all really didn't have all that much space in the Co-rec.

I'm glad you have the chance to do more weapons training now! :cool:

Well, we didn't have such a club at my small university club. We started Jung Bong at blue. The only other weapon stuff we would do before black is a Jul Bong seminar once a semester and a Too Gum seminar once a year. I've only been to one of the super seminars, and that didn't have any weapons stuff. So I may have missed out on that. The only other seminars we got were on ground fighting and knife fighting.

The school that I'm at now does do the weapons stuff more similarly though. My instructor is just waiting till I finish up Baek Pahl Ki Hyung (2 more classes) to start me on Dahn Bong and Jung Gum since I've already gone this long without it.

EDIT: We did get to do archery as well.