A curious article !

[incubus]

Came across this article that basically tell surfers not to use lots of self-defense techniques.

http://www.interpersonal.ca/site/dangerousTechniques.php

What's your opinion ?

In some of them he might be right, but I think he s too pessimistic

:eek:

[slipthejab]

Interesting.

At a quick glance he makes a lot of good points.

The punches to the head and the palm heels to the face are interesting ones to look at. Talk to any nurse who works in a jail and she can probably tell you about the all the times she's removed teeth from peoples knuckles that have been booked because of punch ups in public. All too common. :eek:

[bassai]

I see your point he's right on most of them to be honest,ithink the palm heel strike and the shin scrape are valid(as long as resonable footwear is worn at the time) but he does raise a valid point about it being a good guide for a footstomp.
At the end of the day it's just a sales pitch.

[drunkenmonkey]

I used to streetfight alot growing up sometimes for pride sometimes for money and I can tell you the fastest route to a jacked up fist is hitting someone in the face. he makes a good point your head is the hardest part of your body (we've all been around forums to know this is true lol) :love: . Also if someone grabs you from behind their crotch is still totally exposed to your hands "get 'em by the balls and thier hearts and minds will follow" grab and run while still holding on this will deter and attacker lol. Second if some one grabs you from behind reach up grab his arm and place your foot along the outside of his the turn this can be done with little effort and has saved my hide numerous time it totally sends your opponet sailing and not over you but away from you and into a wall or car or lamp post. As for the keys in ur fingers that is exactly what you'll get keys jammed into the webs of your fingers thats a good way to vivit the hospital if your still alive after the attack. If someone is choking you from the from punch them in the thorat the're either gonna have to let go to protect themselves or get they're own thraot wrecked. If someone puts you in a full nelson go into a prayer position and turn to the inside then deliver a strike works like a charm. These are all things that should be covered in basic martial arts or self defense unfortunatley they aren't always taught because people seem to have remorse for harming thier assailints. :woo:

[medi]

I'm very wary of systems that spend all their advertising time talking about what's wrong with other systems' techniques without telling you what they do that's any different.

[robertmap]

Hi,

I agree that some techniques that are mentioned are sub-optimal - but a couple that he dislikes, I like a lot (including the step behind escape from a choke)...

BUT BUT BUT - everything is situational - there is NO SUCH THING as a good technique or a bad technique there is only what works or doesn't work in a given situation.

There are techniques that will work against an 'angry granny' that won't work against a 'black belt' and there are techniques that will probably work against a 'black belt' that wouldn't work against an 'angry granny' - The key to effective training is to teach students to react to a situation and to keep on doing SOMETHING and then SOMETHING ELSE and then SOMETHING ELSE until they prevail.

All the best.

Robert.

[tellner]

Some of the stuff he says is good. Some isn't. A lot of it is setting up straw men. He vastly overestimates how easy it is to break a person's neck with nothing but grabbing. He criticizes a fair amount but never offers better alternatives. His self defense curriculum includes boxing and pressure points which not only contradicts his earlier warnings but dooms his students to low-percentage technique.

The worst thing is that he has practically guaranteed that his students will react exactly the way he doesn't want them to. Anyone who has taught physical skills knows that actions speak much louder than words and that the first and last things you teach stick better than the rest.

The very first thing he does is demonstrate all the things he doesn't want them to do at great length. The words "Don't do this" take second or third place in the student's brain. HE's training them to do what he thinks is wrong. Bad pedagogy.

[tellner]

I also note that his name doesn't appear anywhere on the site. That's very odd.

[medi]

On the plus side, they do this:

http://www.interpersonal.ca/site/images/galleryPics/mail%20sparring.jpg


Awesome!

[drunkenmonkey]

Hi,

I agree that some techniques that are mentioned are sub-optimal - but a couple that he dislikes, I like a lot (including the step behind escape from a choke)...

BUT BUT BUT - everything is situational - there is NO SUCH THING as a good technique or a bad technique there is only what works or doesn't work in a given situation.

There are techniques that will work against an 'angry granny' that won't work against a 'black belt' and there are techniques that will probably work against a 'black belt' that wouldn't work against an 'angry granny' - The key to effective training is to teach students to react to a situation and to keep on doing SOMETHING and then SOMETHING ELSE and then SOMETHING ELSE until they prevail.

All the best.

Robert.
There are some techniques that can be used in any situation the results will protect you but where as the "angry granny" attacking you may feel more damage than the "black belt" the same techinque can be used to subdue or defend against both. Different body types and sizes will create different results due to how there body is strutcured.

[Slindsay]

Hmmm, some points raised where valid, some seemed less valid. All in all reasonaby intresting but i'm still gonna use my keys a weapon ad I'm still gonna punch an attacker in the face if it seems like what is called for at the time.

On the other hand it's better than what you see at a lot of "Legit" MA schools so overall I give him 7, maybe 7.5, out of 10

[incubus]

On the other hand it's better than what you see at a lot of "Legit" MA schools so overall I give him 7, maybe 7.5, out of 10

Same here , I give him 6 for the effort !! :)

[Davey Bones]

While I agree with him on a few of the tecnhiques, most notably high kicks, back kicks, and eye strikes, I find his utter disdain and lack of any alternatives to detract from anything he has said. Take this site with a grain of salt; anyone who would criticize with no offer of alternatives gets a big "zero" in my book.

And since this comes from a site which is practically all about Ren Faire Medieval reconstrcution playacting, I really don't buy a lot of what this person has to say!

[J-Wo]

Some of them don't even make sense. Re: shin scrapes "What if they are wearing pants". What difference is millimetre of fabric going to make? You can still cause a lot of pain with that without removing skin (I guess he's used to fighting people who wear metal pants). I was taught the foot stomp technique anyway, but still...

[Slindsay]

Some of them don't even make sense. Re: shin scrapes "What if they are wearing pants". What difference is millimetre of fabric going to make? You can still cause a lot of pain with that without removing skin (I guess he's used to fighting people who wear metal pants). I was taught the foot stomp technique anyway, but still...

If you try it on genews it tends to not hurt actually, more because it get's tangled in the genes as the foot is raked down so it loses force.

[incubus]

. As for the keys in ur fingers that is exactly what you'll get keys jammed into the webs of your fingers thats a good way to vivit the hospital if your still alive after the attack. If someone is choking you from the from punch them in the thorat the're either gonna have to let go to protect themselves or get they're own thraot wrecked. If someone puts you in a full nelson go into a prayer position and turn to the inside then deliver a strike works like a charm. These are all things that should be covered in basic martial arts or self defense unfortunatley they aren't always taught because people seem to have remorse for harming thier assailints. :woo:

BTW, can someone explain what is the prayer position ?
Sorry to sound stupid but never heard of the phrase..thanks :confused:

[sliver]

Check out the "defense against a full nelson" thread incubus. Got a full description of that and a couple other defenses against this hold on it.