What would yo do against him..(video Included)

[Hapkido Student]

http://www.thatvideosite.com/view/159.html


What would you all do against someone like him? Ok well there is this guy who lives around me and he's always attacking me and everyone else. He tried to attack me outside of a 7-11 (not the guy in the video someone like him) With a baseball bat. The police came by picked him up and he was released the next day. The police don't lock him up or do anything. They put him in a mental institution but he sign's himself out. They said they can't arrest him for drug's because they are already in his body and not on him. He's also tried attacking me with knive's and tree branches. The police said that he has something wrong with him and he's racist so he attack's everyone he see's. Like everytime he see's someone he'll say...hey man what'd you say to me man? WTF did you say me to me man...Ill (Explicit) You up. and then he leaves and come's back even more angry saying...I TOLD YOU NO TO PLAY WITH ME MAN and keep's up on the attack.

Last time he tried attacking me he got a nice colt 1911 in the face. But now I don't have my gun anymore. All I have is a knife and some pepper spray. The top notch police spray the type that work's against people on drug's and everything. I don't know what to do. The police don't help me out untill he actually kill's someone. All he does is stand around and talk to himself and scream at himself and harass people all day. is there any suggestion's?(beside's killing him....it probably will lead to it)..Also im sort of used to these attack's now because some guy tried breaking in my house and he was met with a nice little gun as well. I didn't shoot him but I held him off long enough for the police to come.

The police let him go. He started throwing punches and closing doors and swinging a knife at the police....they didn't even do anything. they dropped him off at his house at the next door. They said he got the wrong house that's why he tried breaking in with a knife. So me and my grandparent's called the police department and talked to the police officer's boss of the arriving officer's. HE yelled at my grandmother for bothering him with something so pitty....then he sent the police officer's back to talk to us at like 3 in the morning.

They said that we were the problem's because of the other attacks that I'm the one who keep's causing trouble and did all this stupid stuff liek we were the attack's. THE POLICE AREN'T HELPING US AT ALL....can some one please help. I really don't want to have to take any matter's into my own hands( self defense wise) Not walking out and killing I mean having to kill one of these guy's for self defense when they attack. I REALLLY NEED HELP PLEASE. Im tired of this. Hopefully if I save up enough money Ill move down to san antonio next year so Ill be able to get away from this.

[Sgt_Major]

contact your local politicans, or a police ombudsman (if you have them)

Other than that, you could look at who owns the house he lives in, if its a rented house, contact the landlord and explain that he is terrorising the community, possibly get the whole community to lean on the landlord to evict him.

Other than that, Id say buy your gun back and be prepared to use it.

[Hiroji]

Firstly id ask him to speak english.

if he refuses id knock whats left of his teeth down his throat

then if he beat on my car id run the ***** down and wheel spin his head to mush.

[Apotheosis]

Grab a lawyer and get sue happy, sue for his arrest(if thats possible), or sure the police for failing to protect you. Either way, a lawyer should be able to help you out.

[Sgt_Major]

anyone got a direct link to the video file I could download? As My work block that page :(

[Hiroji]

yeh their must be something a lawyer can do. The police seem afraid of these people. how come he can sign himself out of the mental home? can you just do that? sounds crazy.

[Sgt_Major]

unless a court signs you in, then yeah. Referral fees can be paid to sign your mates in too :D


and no, Im not going to tell you how I know that!

[Hiroji]

hey we all have a past buddy!... ;)

[Hapkido Student]

Ok...First of all let me say thank you to everyone who posted. Also I will try all of your suggestions. He is homeless and I don't thinkt he community really cares about him anymore so they let him get away with ALOT. Me...I get in trouble for anything that happen's...One time I went down to my great grandmothers house to spend the night. At the same time someone set a fire in one of the building's. I get a warrant for my arrest because they have 5 witnesses who said they seen me do it. (Clearly I haven't been charged because I wasn't there. after later investigation.) All they did is take me in the back seat and talk to me and then my grandparent's discussed it witht hem then we got our lawyer to get us out of it. BTW Im going to get my gun back but it'll be more of a 12g pump rather than a handgun..LOL. Thanks for all with the replies. Thanks to all in advance who are going to reply as well. Ill be checking on this every few minutes. So ill reply as soon as possible.

[Hiroji]

yeh i think its a good thing to get your gun back just for safety for you and your family. if this tit is homeless and on drugs he could try anything to get his next fix. even if your life stands in his way.

[Davey Bones]

Hmmmm... so you have a reputation? That's probably not helping the sitch, to be honest...

Anyhoo, not much they can do about the nutcase. He can sign himself out unless the court wants to commit him, and that's a royal pain to prove.

As for the police... you can try a lawsuit, but I don't see that going anywhere to be honest. Section 1983 suits, so named for the Federal Statute you'd be suing under, are almost impossible to prove.

[jroe52]

Katana.

[Hapkido Student]

Thanks for the replies and help everyone. Yeah it does seem like it's going nowere fast. Im just trying to stay out of everyone's way untill I move. Then my life will be better....If I live that long. :o

[Ikken Hisatsu]

this whole thread is why i would not want to live in america

[El Tejon]

Ummm, what did the police say again? Why was he not arrested and prosecuted for Battery with a Deadly Weapon? Why did you not see the prosecutor the next day if the police refused to make an arrest? Why was a protective order not issued? Why has a civil committment to a mental hospital not been attempted? Why are you still going places where he may be? Why do you no longer have your 1911? :confused:

[Hapkido Student]

if your certain you or your familiy's lives are in danger, the cops won't help and you cant move, i'd discreetly watch his movement for a little while and see if there is a quiet alleyway etc he uses to get home. making sure there is no one around or any camera's, then do a number on him with a baseball bat, take out a knee first to deck him and then break his arms and legs,no head shots. burn the bat and your clothing later and tell no one nothing. by the time he gets mobile again you should be safely moved on.

pretty nasty and brutal, but as a last resort if it's either you or him, best its him that gets it, if it's left to chance you may end up dead, at least they can pin him back together.


I love that idea...funny thing is im probably going to do something like that :) LOLOL

[Hapkido Student]

Ummm, what did the police say again? Why was he not arrested and prosecuted for Battery with a Deadly Weapon? Why did you not see the prosecutor the next day if the police refused to make an arrest? Why was a protective order not issued? Why has a civil committment to a mental hospital not been attempted? Why are you still going places where he may be? Why do you no longer have your 1911? :confused:



The police said that the reason he wasn't arrested is because they sent him to a mental institution instead. A place for the criminally insane. The second question...I don't know they probably just don't care. Hmmmm The third question...I don't know ...Now that I think about it I should have. Hmmm never really felt that a protective order would help any..he'd still do it and just be sent away for a day to a mental institution. The fifth question...Hmm I don't know why they haven't court ordered that yet. They probably just don't feel like dealing with it. Well the problem is he's everywere....He does nothig but walk around everywere all day terrorizing people. I no longer have it because I ended up selling it. Maybe I should get another one soon.

Also check this out...this is a case that the same thing happened but someone ended up dead.
http://www.nbc4.com/news/4232700/detail.html

The same thing but this is the one thing I always tell police...."Your only going to arrest him one somene wind's up dead".

[sliver]

I can tell you what I wouldn't do which is attempt the sereptitious battery someone else on this thread mentioned. It sounds like the police are none too fond of you to start with, and you can not control the environment. The upshot? You're likely to get caught, and charged with assault with a deadly weapon, or at very least agravated assault. Unless this guy actually attacks you or somoene in your family, I'd say just avoid him. If he does, well, deal with that then as the situation dictates, but be aware you're very likely to be brought up on charges and have to prove you used reasonable force. That means if he was just yelling at you stompping his head into paste on the sidewalk isn't considered reasonable force. If he breaks into your house, that's another matter entirely. At that point, the gun might be reasonable. Don't take this as a suggestion to bait him into your house and shoot him, that would be murder in the 3rd degree (correct me if I'm wrong BKG), and I guarentee you don't want to answer for that. Of all the options mentioned here, I would say using the pepper spray if "attacked" by him on the street is probably the most legaly defensable option, and most reasonable as well it's non lethal. Speaking from experience, getting pepper sprayed is extremely unplesant and might make him decide you're not worth bothering. Again, if you go and mace him without provokation, be prepared to answer charges yourself. Keep a cool head and don't do something that creates the impression you're a testosterone driven, hot headded addolescent, or you're liable to end up in jail.
Good luck.

[Wax]

Report him as an illegal immegrant, I'm sure he'll be sent of to detention in no time.

[Fish Of Doom]

try to get a hold of the constitution or penal code or whatever's the name of the little thingy with the USA's criminal laws.

you: why don't you do something about that guy, officer

police: because we can't

you: really? because i was reading here..... and here....., and here..... and here..., and it says otherwise....(innocent smile)

police: welll, erm, like.... uhhhh.....

and if they don't do anything then get a lawyer and try to sue them.

also get that gun back ASAP, if he tries to attack you again don't shove it at his face, put it to his stomach or chest, the head can be moved faster than a trigger finger, a torso USUALLY can't.

[Uke's Mom]

I agree with the others that violence against this individual may not be the best recourse.

Have you thought of contacting the local Mental Health Agencies? They have workers that would look to help these sorts of fellows? Which may get him off the street, especially if they felt that he was a harm to himself or others.. they are obligated to provided services for him? (Sounds to me as if he needs some medications)

Just a thought to remove this individual from your neighborhood?

Another thought would be to visit your local governmental meetings.. and raise some complaints.. as well as contact your local ward or whomever is your representative for your area and raise complaints there. Get some of your neighbors to also complain.. there is power in numbers?

[sliver]

...also get that gun back ASAP, if he tries to attack you again don't shove it at his face, put it to his stomach or chest, the head can be moved faster than a trigger finger, a torso USUALLY can't.


Fish, with all due respect for the many inteligent things you do have to say, this is very bad advice you're giving right now. Please don't advise this young man who is just now old enough to be prosicuted as an adult to do something that will land him in prison for the rest of his life as a murderer. Complaining very loudly and repeadedly at your local city council meeting especially about the lousy job the police are doing of protecting the public as Uke's Mom suggested is a very good idea. If you can get the guy off the street without serious confrontation, that's the best option. Bring frineds to the meeting to coroberate your story, and keep showing up and protesting untill something is done. I've dealt with city councils before repeatedly and this is the kind of thing they'll act on quickly. It just makes them look "soft on crime" and "not concerned about the people the represent" if they don't. Taking matters into your own hands is a very bad idea and will most likely backfire. Don't make yourself the badguy in the eyes of the law, that's a fight you can't win.

[Hapkido Student]

Thank's Everyone. I really do appreciate your replies. I will try to do that as well. Yeah I know how it feel's I got a nice blast to the face point black with mace. I've also been tazered. I migh tjust get a really nice air tazer they are street legal as welll. Thanks everyone please keep the replies comming :)

[Hapkido Student]

P.S....Fighter4Higher lives around me and has to deal with this guy also. We always go places together so if he messes with one he's going to get hurt by both. :)

[Fighter4Higher]

P.S....Fighter4Higher lives around me and has to deal with this guy also. We always go places together so if he messes with one he's going to get hurt by both. :)

Lol, well the guy only asks me for spare change (Hey man you got a quarter), and I usually would help a man out, however there is no way I'm going to contribute to him getting high and attacking someone. Its when he is high that he becomes violent. I was there once, the very first time he tried to attack Hapkido Student, HKD student handled it very well. Even with all the threats that was being yelled his way (I think I was more nervous than he was.) However the insane guy just left after he got done his yelling.

[Hapkido Student]

Lol, well the guy only asks me for spare change (Hey man you got a quarter), and I usually would help a man out, however there is no way I'm going to contribute to him getting high and attacking someone. Its when he is high that he becomes violent. I was there once, the very first time he tried to attack Hapkido Student, HKD student handled it very well. Even with all the threats that was being yelled his way (I think I was more nervous than he was.) However the insane guy just left after he got done his yelling.



Thisis true...The first time we didn't have any mace, any martial art classes under our belt, any expirience with this guy before. Its weird because...he get's high and thats when he attack's. I remember before he tried to attack me he came up and talked ot me and was a cool guy and then he attacked after he seen me working at shopper's. Fighter4Higher took thing's pretty good to....Had a nice tea bottle in his hand waiting to bash the guy's skull in if he were to grab me...The guy alway's keep's yelling and attacking but never injuring anyone..(hopefully it doesn't lead to it...) but hey rather him then me. He's 25 year's old..I know everythign about him...the police told me Full name and all.

[Apotheosis]

I still advocate talking to a lawyer...

[Hapkido Student]

I still advocate talking to a lawyer...


Very true...Maybe I should..I have one to but damn it'll take some money out my pocket's LOL :Angel:

[Apotheosis]

Shouldnt take to much, could look into a pro-bono attorney, or just go in for a free consultation. Chances are a lawyer can think of a way to help you that doesnt involve you committing any crimes.

[Davey Bones]

Very true...Maybe I should..I have one to but damn it'll take some money out my pocket's LOL :Angel:

Better than landing your bad self in jail, ain't it?

Do not goad this guy into attacking you and then cry "self-defense". You will lose.

[Hapkido Student]

Better than landing your bad self in jail, ain't it?

Do not goad this guy into attacking you and then cry "self-defense". You will lose.


BaiKaiGuy=Man with great wisdom.


That is VERY true. I have never thought about it like that. Thanks for the reply's...and also looking thank's to "The bigginer" who said look torwards getting a pro-bono lawyer. My lawyer probably can find out something to help me with..Thanks for all of your advice. To everyone here who replied. :-D

[Fish Of Doom]

Fish, with all due respect for the many inteligent things you do have to say, this is very bad advice you're giving right now. Please don't advise this young man who is just now old enough to be prosicuted as an adult to do something that will land him in prison for the rest of his life as a murderer.

EEK!, sorry, didn't look at it that way, i meant as a last resource, in a life or death situation, when the guy's already attacking with killing intent.

now that i look at it i'm clearly spouting nonesense again sorry, slowly learning though.

anyway i stand with the others in saying that you should get the help of a lawyer.

good luck and keep us informed

[Hapkido Student]

EEK!, sorry, didn't look at it that way, i meant as a last resource, in a life or death situation, when the guy's already attacking with killing intent.

now that i look at it i'm clearly spouting nonesense again sorry, slowly learning though.

anyway i stand with the others in saying that you should get the help of a lawyer.

good luck and keep us informed


Excellent. :-D thanks for replying once again I am very greatfull. I will keep you all posted on this porblem :-D. It's ok man we all some some stuff that's a little overboard :-D

[Britzy]

Dont go murder him or nothing...but if i was getting attacked by some drugged up guy and it was legal for me to be carrying a gun i sure would be. If he comes into your house again, well i see its your right to shoot him in the face, wouldnt get no problems off him then...off the law perhaps but i dont know too much about american law....

[slowmo]

i woulda really wanted to run him over when he was behind the car and woulda been justified because he was assaulting with deadly weapon (baseball bat). Maybe keeping a fake, but real lookin gun, in the car woulda been nice to point it at him and say 'back up motha sucka!'

i really don't like dealing with crazy 'gansta' people because their life is already ruined so they have nothing to loose. I've had to a few times in my life but i just ignored them and they weren't a problem again after the first incident. If they were harrasing me more than once then i'd bring a witness and have him video tape it and show it to the cops and/or the news. (video cameras are very powerful) Some news channels let you email them video you took with your camera phone these days.

Unfortunately martial arts dont always help because even if you could technically beat these guys up they aren't goin away that easy and are dangerous because they don't mind going to prison for killing you

[tellner]

You could certainly make a case that you were in immediate danger, that a reasonable person would have felt afraid because of his incoherence and increasing violence. Other than leaving the somewhat greater safety of the car there was no way to escape. Under the circumstances, running him over could be a rational option.

[NeonxBurst]

Find out who all he's harassed, get their names, and ask if they'd like to go part ways on a lawyer with you, turn it into a class action suit thingy, or something. BKG would be the one to really consult on this matter.

[Hapkido Student]

Thank's everyone.


I appreciate your responses and help. I've just seen him a few minute's ago he was walking down my street like talking to people who weren't there. He was yelling and cussing and screaming at a building and stuff. This guy is so messed up something is so wrong with him. If he were to come into my house...Oh man! A whole different story..He'd stand no chance..LOL. Im not so scared of his as much as I am the Lord. I might kill him but, I'll have to face God for it and that's one thing I don't want to do. So far he hasn't actually attacked me or anyone else but, when he does I'm ready to fight for my life. That was a great idea about getting a lawyer and getting the name's of everyone he's harrassed and get them to chip in...I just wish I knew people beside's my grandparent's and friend's who have had it happen. I'm pretty sure everyone has dealt with him. Wether he get's reported or not they have dealt with him. He never get's in trouble for anything he does, he alway's chases down and act's like he's going to attack then just back's away...then come's back. Thank's to all with the comment's I will try to address them as best as possible. Thanks to all. Please keep the help comming! I appreciate it! :D

[tellner]

If he's a threat to you worry about the danger he poses. You can sort it out with G-d later. Besides, Judaism ("As we are told in the Torah if a man comes to slay you rise up and slay him first"), the major Christian denominations and Islam (Surah of the Cow, I believe) all recognize the right to self defense.

[NZ Ninja]

If it gets that bad that you have to use a shotgun just make sure the loads are rubberbuckshot or rocksalt,that way you have less of a chance of killing him and going up for murder and more of a chance of selfdefence and walking free. :o

Good luck

[Afthelador]

I'd shoot him, if I could, but otherwise I'd try to run him over when he stepped behind, and in fron of the car like that.

[tellner]

If it gets that bad that you have to use a shotgun just make sure the loads are rubberbuckshot or rocksalt,that way you have less of a chance of killing him and going up for murder and more of a chance of selfdefence and walking free. :o

Good luck
Probably not good legal advice, at least here in the US. Using a gun is deadly force. Rock salt will do just as much damage as lead at close range. And the rubber rounds are for crowd control. They are not reliable stoppers. If things are bad enough that you need a gun, make sure that it will stop the attack.

[Hapkido Student]

Probably not good legal advice, at least here in the US. Using a gun is deadly force. Rock salt will do just as much damage as lead at close range. And the rubber rounds are for crowd control. They are not reliable stoppers. If things are bad enough that you need a gun, make sure that it will stop the attack.


Hmmm true..I thought it was pretty good advice though. I didnt know that it was like that,crazy..lol. Yeah I don't know he's gotten a little worse but, I alway's have my video camera because Im recording me and my friend's do parkour(Google it if you'd like to know what it is..It's pretty cool) and I was practicing my aerial cartwheel outside..So if he attack's it'll be on video and I'll post it on here :). Once again thank's everyone. And thanks NZ Ninja I'm going to need that luck!

[Anomandaris]

if only you lived in Britain then you could get an ASBO on his ass.

liotering in a threatening manner can get you banned from an area, entering the area while under the ASBO gets you arrested even if you do nothing aggressive or violent.

[whitetiger]

Another way of dealing with this guy is to send an email to your local politition advising him of the situation and also advising him that a copy has been sent to the local news paper to ensure the matter is dealt with properly and timely. Its amazing how things get done when the media is involved and when votes could be effected.
Just a suggestion.

[Hapkido Student]

Another way of dealing with this guy is to send an email to your local politition advising him of the situation and also advising him that a copy has been sent to the local news paper to ensure the matter is dealt with properly and timely. Its amazing how things get done when the media is involved and when votes could be effected.
Just a suggestion.

That's some excellent advice thank you. :)

if only you lived in Britain then you could get an ASBO on his ass.

liotering in a threatening manner can get you banned from an area, entering the area while under the ASBO gets you arrested even if you do nothing aggressive or violent.

That would be nice. Can you please explain what a ASBO is. Thank's in advance.

[Moosey]

An ASBO is an anti-social behaviour order

http://www.crimereduction.gov.uk/asbos9.htm?fp

[soul-survivor]

I don't know if something like this would ever happen in the Netherlands, but hey, anything can happen.
This is a hell of a problem man. I honestly don't know what I should do!
The best (safest) way would be ....moving!
Or else it is kill or get killed! ( I don't think that is a option). But if anyone would try to harm me/my kids/my wife, I would defend till death. I can't wait untill the police shows up, or someone helps me, I have to do this on my own!

Good luck, stay save!

[gazzthewannabe]

you've done pretty good so far, i agree with all those that've said about getting a laywer...justice is one thing everyone martialartist/warrior should follow even if its getting someone put in jail...of course im not gonna lie, if i was you i was you i would use rock salt or rubber ammunition...the 2nd, by the seams of it, isn't that deadly or even able to get people unconciouse (withouta well aimed shot) but it should hurt like hell and everyone responds to hell...me i have a bokken but to actuelly take it out of the house (or any blunt weapon for that matter) doesn't look good if he decides to go to the police...but his type is one without a high opinion of the police.

me tho...I'd(try and) kick his godamn ass
peace
gazz

[Hapkido Student]

you've done pretty good so far, i agree with all those that've said about getting a laywer...justice is one thing everyone martialartist/warrior should follow even if its getting someone put in jail...of course im not gonna lie, if i was you i was you i would use rock salt or rubber ammunition...the 2nd, by the seams of it, isn't that deadly or even able to get people unconciouse (withouta well aimed shot) but it should hurt like hell and everyone responds to hell...me i have a bokken but to actuelly take it out of the house (or any blunt weapon for that matter) doesn't look good if he decides to go to the police...but his type is one without a high opinion of the police.

me tho...I'd(try and) kick his godamn ass
peace
gazz



Nice, My friend Fighter4Higher has a bokken and he brought it to his friend's house one time for some training and the police stopped him. Then he wrapped it up in a trashbang and he went on the bus with it because his friend live's pretty far away, Very bad idea because it was independence day...I don't know what happened he didn't finish the story. Thank's for the advice everyone..Hopefull it doesn't turn fatal or dangerous in anyway. I appreciate all of your input's thank's moosey and everyone who helped me out on this subject thank's to all! :D

[Fighter4Higher]

All I got was wierd glances and dirty looks... Especially when it clanged agianst a metal bar on the bus. :o

[vernox]

go on the agressive. if you think you can take him batter the guy. everytime he starts on you beat him down. i had the same problem, only with a gang here in england and once i snapped and smashed afew guys in a couple of times they actually started to respect me. the only thing you have to watch out for is if he pulls a gun. which is why you have to watch the hands and pull one first. do some western style trigger work in frount of a mirror, no jokes! haha

stay safe, man :D

[Combatant]

I'd run him down and then tell the courts that I feared for my life and in an attempt to get away quickly he got in the way. I am sure that with the vid footage that no court would convict.

Welcome to MAP vernox. I'm from st ives just down the road from you. :)

[Glibby]

Something similar to this happened to my wife.

She was driving down the road, when she had to stop at temporary traffic lights. Some nutter jumped onto the bonnet of the car and lay across it. My wife only realised what was going on when a 2nd bloke atempted to open her car door. Luckly the car door was locked, so he just puched the window and kicked the door panel before he and his mate ran away when another car aproached.

My wife was teriffied and didnt really react at the time, due to the terror of the event. When she came back home in tears i contacted the police, the police came and took a statment and said to us that "she (my wife) should have just hit the accelerator and drove off, if the guy fell off the bonnet and she ran over him then it wouldnt have been her fault".

But i said to the copper that if that had happened then that then they (the police) would have arrested her and charged her with either wreckless endangerment, dangerous driving, malicous woundning or assault with a deadly weapon (e.g a car). To which the police man said that they probably would have had to arrest her.

My own view is that you should just try to drive your car out of the situation as quickly and as safely as possible (you may have children in the car or family & friends in the car, so you have to protect them), however if you happen to run over the guy to get out of their thats his tough luck. However if your in the uk you just have to accept that you will probably be arested and charged.