Chinese Kickboxing

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Hi

Recently came across a school near me offering Chinese kickboxing? wondering if anyone had heard of it what it was like etc? Think they teach both kickboxing and kungfu (WKA/WAKO)

Any thoughts?

[19thlohan]

It's probably san shou or sanda style kickboxing which means that they will mix shuai chiao techniques in with the punching and kicking. If the teachers any good it would be a great place to go.

[Mushroom]

^^^

what he said :D

Basically imagine Kickboxing but with throws as well.

Competitions are usually done on a platform and you get points for various moves including evasion techniques and escapes, reversals. Also a throw is only legal if you hold for less than 2seconds.

[kickboxingidiot]

WOW!!!
Where is this place mushroom?

[Split_level]

Its taught by a guy called Chris Boughey who is the founder and the Great Britain Team manager for the WKBA ( according to flyer) website is www.nwckb.com they have places all over.
Although Im not sure if the kungfu is as mixed into the kickboxing as that think its more separate, not got round to phoning club up to enquire.

[kickboxingidiot]

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steer Clear like the plague
There are purple belts (6th belt i believe) graded by Chris Boughey who havent even sparred yet!!!

They are purley commercial and just rip you off to be honest.
They turn out the occasional good figther but for the most part you BUY your grades and not earn them.

sorry if i offend anyone by speaking the truth

[Davey Bones]

Issues:

1. 6th Degree Black Belt in Kickboxing? Unless I missed something, kickboxing doesn't have belt rankings!

2. Lots of talk about affiliations, no real discussion about the curriculum.

3. Offering gear, but no info.

No offense, but without more info, I'd have to say "stay away".

[madmike]

Split Level
steer Clear like the plague
There are purple belts (6th belt i believe) graded by Chris Boughey who havent even sparred yet!!!

They are purley commercial and just rip you off to be honest.
They turn out the occasional good figther but for the most part you BUY your grades and not earn them.

sorry if i offend anyone by speaking the truth

this guy is talking out of his a***. i train under north west chinese kickboxing and its one of the best clubs around look at how many members of it are on the british team that went to canada. also chris is a well respected martail artsist. if u dont believe me buy the next issue of martail arts illustrated.

[kickboxingidiot]

this guy is talking out of his a***. i train under north west chinese kickboxing and its one of the best clubs around look at how many members of it are on the british team that went to canada. also chris is a well respected martail artsist. if u dont believe me buy the next issue of martail arts illustrated.

LOL
Maybe there are NWCKB members on the british team but if you can get all the way to purple belt without sparring then its a load of *****.
What is your FC fight record by the way? Have you had any at all?

The bottom line is that kickboxing in manchester generally sucks ass.
The 2 major associations, Cobra and NWCKB are totally orientated towards light contact.
Now I have more respect for the Cobra kickboxing syllabus and general standards. Cobra require you to spar for most of their gradings I believe and I think (well I hope) that they dont give belts away like sweets like NWCKB tend to do ( I have seen solid evidence of NWCKB giving belts away and am willing to give an example).
BUT and it is a big but, I have heard Cobra instructors and high graded members slagging off Full Contact and talking about it like it is not worth doing!
Now if that is the attitude of a "decent" kickboxing club, then stick a fork in kickboxing's credibility as attitudes such as the above are simply killing it off.


If clubs of that high profile would produce more Full contact fighters id respect them a hell of a lot more.

As it stands they dont produce many at all if any.
Idiots like that are killing kickboxing off.
No wonder the thaiboxers laugh at us

[scottv]

Hi

Recently came across a school near me offering Chinese kickboxing? wondering if anyone had heard of it what it was like etc? Think they teach both kickboxing and kungfu (WKA/WAKO)

Any thoughts?

That Sanshou sure looks neat! :woo: Nice throws and everything....like Cung Le...

[liokault]

this guy is talking out of his a***. i train under north west chinese kickboxing and its one of the best clubs around look at how many members of it are on the british team that went to canada. also chris is a well respected martail artsist. if u dont believe me buy the next issue of martail arts illustrated.

Which British team? They on the UK san shou squad or just some semi crap?

[madmike]

LOL
Maybe there are NWCKB members on the british team but if you can get all the way to purple belt without sparring then its a load of *****.
What is your FC fight record by the way? Have you had any at all?

The bottom line is that kickboxing in manchester generally sucks ass.
The 2 major associations, Cobra and NWCKB are totally orientated towards light contact.
Now I have more respect for the Cobra kickboxing syllabus and general standards. Cobra require you to spar for most of their gradings I believe and I think (well I hope) that they dont give belts away like sweets like NWCKB tend to do ( I have seen solid evidence of NWCKB giving belts away and am willing to give an example).
BUT and it is a big but, I have heard Cobra instructors and high graded members slagging off Full Contact and talking about it like it is not worth doing!
Now if that is the attitude of a "decent" kickboxing club, then stick a fork in kickboxing's credibility as attitudes such as the above are simply killing it off.


If clubs of that high profile would produce more Full contact fighters id respect them a hell of a lot more.

As it stands they dont produce many at all if any.
Idiots like that are killing kickboxing off.
No wonder the thaiboxers laugh at us
my fight record is 3 wins no losses and im only 14 anyway so i see as a start.
i have lost some friendlys when i was learnnig the basics. all my comp fights where full contact. i also suggest you give me the examples.

[madmike]

Which British team? They on the UK san shou squad or just some semi crap?
it was the team that was in the wka in canada

[kickboxingidiot]

Which British team? They on the UK san shou squad or just some semi crap?

Hi Liokault
The WKA canadian british team are more like "some semi crap"
No disrespect but they were fighting semi contact points sparring and light contact continuous (l-con gets rather heavy at times, but its not FC as youre not fighting people who are FC trained in FC clubs).

Madmike says all his fights were FC, he is talking about light continuous not real FC.
L-con fighters from manchester (and yes it is mainly manchester kickboxers i hear this from) all sing the same song :

"oh you shouldnt do full contact because you have to go to work on a monday morning"

Do amateur boxers make the same excuse? They normally fight midweek like on tuesday/wednesday nights and have hard manual jobs to do the next day.

"oh l-con is FULL Contact really"
What a paradox eh? Then maybe they shouldnt do L-con either because of "work on a monday morning"
Oh really? Is it really? Does that mean that you can be matched against someone with 10 FC fights just because you have had 10 fights in L-con?

LOL!!!

Madmikes knowledge of kickboxing is limited as he is naive and only 14.

[madmike]

Hi Liokault
The WKA canadian british team are more like "some semi crap"
No disrespect but they were fighting semi contact points sparring and light contact continuous (l-con gets rather heavy at times, but its not FC as youre not fighting people who are FC trained in FC clubs).

Madmike says all his fights were FC, he is talking about light continuous not real FC.
L-con fighters from manchester (and yes it is mainly manchester kickboxers i hear this from) all sing the same song :

"oh you shouldnt do full contact because you have to go to work on a monday morning"

Do amateur boxers make the same excuse? They normally fight midweek like on tuesday/wednesday nights and have hard manual jobs to do the next day.

"oh l-con is FULL Contact really"
What a paradox eh? Then maybe they shouldnt do L-con either because of "work on a monday morning"
Oh really? Is it really? Does that mean that you can be matched against someone with 10 FC fights just because you have had 10 fights in L-con?

LOL!!!

Madmikes knowledge of kickboxing is limited as he is naive and only 14.
most kickboxers start off doing "semi crap" as you choose to call it. also how can you use my age as a reason not listen to me? my knowledge of kickboxing comes from reaserch. so if my kickboxing is so bad which club to you train with? how many fights have you fought?
ps i not a manc. i from stockport.

[kickboxingidiot]

most kickboxers start off doing "semi crap" as you choose to call it. also how can you use my age as a reason not listen to me? my knowledge of kickboxing comes from reaserch. so if my kickboxing is so bad which club to you train with? how many fights have you fought?
ps i not a manc. i from stockport.

In answer to your question I have had (hoping i havent missed any out) in total counting everything about 58 competitive kickboxing bouts.

There is no point mentioning which club I fight for because of political reasons. suffice it to say that in FC kickboxing the respected gyms are:
chikara , newark, leicester, TKO , Averley, Kicks, Brighton pro am, Brighton sports gym, Heathrow , invicta , USKA, derbyshire panthers , UKCBA.

There are many i have missed out. NWCKB is NOT one of them :P

As for stockport/manchester , their kickboxing scene still sucks ass. The thaiboxers from that region i have nothing but respect for. Their kickboxers, im afraid they make a mockery of the sport and cheapen it.

As for your age it has a lot to do with it. So does your experience. I have been involved in this sport for over a decade and as well as having trained, fought, taught classes at schools&universities, having refereed,judged and matched up fights have managed fighters and promoted events.

Having done all of the above I would safely say that I know a little bit more about what you have "researched" than you do.

As for these "full contact" sorry l-con events,.. where were they? Were they on the NWCKB fight nights? I know one of the NWCKB instructors very well, he trained with us for a few years and he admits that training with us opened his eyes to a whole new dimension of kickboxing.

As for my comment on "semi crap" nothign wrong with it as long as you dont make it out to be something its not.

[madmike]

i have to say that its poor that you will tell everyone my club is rubbish but yet refuse to even mention yours! also today i went to my club and considering we dont do full contact it was strang to see one of our blackbelts with a full contact trouphy and i agree we have alot of great thia boxers in stockport (master sken) but the blackbelt with the trouphy kicked a 6ft 5 thia boxers ass to get it.

[kickboxingidiot]

i have to say that its poor that you will tell everyone my club is rubbish but yet refuse to even mention yours! also today i went to my club and considering we dont do full contact it was strang to see one of our blackbelts with a full contact trouphy and i agree we have alot of great thia boxers in stockport (master sken) but the blackbelt with the trouphy kicked a 6ft 5 thia boxers ass to get it.

Which thaiboxers ass did he kick???

As for comparing clubs ,....
Here goes.

Mumtaz shaffi = 57-60kg, fought at commonwealth title level (common wealth title is 10 round contest not 1x1.5mins of mickey mouse on the mats :P)

Razor Reza Khodaei = -75kg WAKO amateur british FC champion.

Andy Lacey = 95kg+ went the distance with WKN world heavyweight FC champion twice!!!

Farhad Ali = 63-67kg , BKO champion 2001-2004, FIST Low kick champion, UKTBF Welterweight champion

Sunny "the snake" Singh = British Universities champion
Northern Universities champion

Wonderful Wayne Betts = British Universities champion
Northern Universities champion

People from our club have competed under :
1.Light continuous ( we all have to start somewhere)
2.Full contact (kicks above waist)
3.Low kick rules (also known as kickboxing rules,... i.e. proper kickboxing)
4.Cage kickboxing (3x3mins under similar ruels to K-1)
5.Thaiboxing (admittedly we only fight under "european thaiboxing rules)
6.Unlicensed Boxing
7.MMA (only 3 of our guys have done it so far, we are 2-1 in MMA so far)


totally different C.V to your club id say :P

[Existence]

Which thaiboxers ass did he kick???


Reiba:eek:

[kickboxingidiot]

Reiba:eek:

LOL!!!
Was his name Yoshi Ji Soeno by any chance :)

[hkj]

good to see you guys are talking about the right thing - whos club is better and which of you is cooler... you should be banned from the forum :(

Anyway, about Chinese kickboxing - it's really good fun. If you've ever done any type of kickboxing you'll already be up to scratch with it. It's very similar to muay thai (punches, kicks, knees (no elbow)) but with the inclusion of throws, which are great fun to learn...
It'll also help you greatly on the streets as you are taught no-nonsense punching and kicking.
I studied it in china for a while and it's one of the fullest martial arts i've seen. Unfortunately they don't teach you funky kicks like they might in tkd, but then Chinese kickboxing - San Da - San Shou - is for kickboxers, not ballerinas.

I suggest you give it a go... dont like it? quit...
I made a really crappy website on it a while back just to gain some points on a course i had to do... anyway.. has a few pics and a bit of info u might find helpful: http://newmedia.leeds.ac.uk/1640-6/ics5jm/index.htm

Hope this helps =]

[kickboxking1980]

It is useless to argue which style is better simply because every style and system of fighting has it's limitations and of course it's strengths.
Also to compare one club or one fighter and make an assessment of that style based on their standard is also futile.
It would be like saying that Boxing is crap, just look at the Butterbean geezer lol
Look at the best practitioner of that style and then make an informed decision of how good or bad that style is for YOU. remember one mans feast is another mans poison.

[jimmy_haylor]

Still trying to big yourself up I see chefkicker.

lol @ putting down people that do l-con..... I seem to remember you singing from a very different songsheet on other forums.



Which thaiboxers ass did he kick???

As for comparing clubs ,....
Here goes.

Mumtaz shaffi = 57-60kg, fought at commonwealth title level (common wealth title is 10 round contest not 1x1.5mins of mickey mouse on the mats :P)

Razor Reza Khodaei = -75kg WAKO amateur british FC champion.

Andy Lacey = 95kg+ went the distance with WKN world heavyweight FC champion twice!!!

Farhad Ali = 63-67kg , BKO champion 2001-2004, FIST Low kick champion, UKTBF Welterweight champion

Sunny "the snake" Singh = British Universities champion
Northern Universities champion

Wonderful Wayne Betts = British Universities champion
Northern Universities champion

People from our club have competed under :
1.Light continuous ( we all have to start somewhere)
2.Full contact (kicks above waist)
3.Low kick rules (also known as kickboxing rules,... i.e. proper kickboxing)
4.Cage kickboxing (3x3mins under similar ruels to K-1)
5.Thaiboxing (admittedly we only fight under "european thaiboxing rules)
6.Unlicensed Boxing
7.MMA (only 3 of our guys have done it so far, we are 2-1 in MMA so far)


totally different C.V to your club id say :P

[seyah]

Like all clubs / associations you get good instruction and you get bad Chris is a very good and well respected instructor but you get the odd club that is affiliated to chinese KB association and use that as a selling point

I have a number of students who came from one off these clubs and whilst they had a good basic knowledge their over all fighting abilities where poor.

To put this into perspective I have two students one from CKB club and one I taught from novice both are on this years WKA squad fighting in Spain. However the student who came from the CKB club was a blue belt and had never faught outside of her club even though there where many WKA comps.

Thats only my own personal experience and should not be taken as a over all reflection.

BTW Kickboxingideot I found the statement "light con crap" offensive you know my backgound and I give both the Light con and Full con equal respect and whilst you are bang into FC you must agree that LC has it's place. both systems are brilliant for over all fitness and defence.


As for stockport/manchester , their kickboxing scene still sucks ass. The thaiboxers from that region i have nothing but respect for. Their kickboxers, im afraid they make a mockery of the sport and cheapen it.


Yours and my good freind Brian Barnes teaches kickboxing (FC) in Manchester and has turned out many good fighters. I think you mentiond that he taught you many years ago :cool: and BTW I teach KB in Manchester and even train with Brians lot myself and at 41 years old I can still just about hold my own with his younger students :)

I know you are not after insulting people KBI and so i'm sure you meant to say many clubs not just in Manchester don't cut the grade. :love:

[kickboxingidiot]

Hi Seyah
I agree with you on some topics but will not be in full agreement on others

1."I have a number of students who came from one off these clubs and whilst they had a good basic knowledge their over all fighting abilities where poor. "

Sounds spot on to me! Big string of clubs + well renowned instructor does NOT always= turns out good fighters OR high standards.

A lot of these "big names" mickey mousify what they teach and McDojoise/water it down just for the £££.

2."To put this into perspective I have two students one from CKB club and one I taught from novice both are on this years WKA squad fighting in Spain. However the student who came from the CKB club was a blue belt and had never faught outside of her club even though there where many WKA comps."

Worse still seyah, many blue belts from NWCKB have not even sparred in the club !!!
In NWCKB , i have met more than one purple belt who had never even sparred or even knew how to hold pads properly.




3."Thats only my own personal experience and should not be taken as a over all reflection."

There will always be the exceptions to the rule (thankfully!)
Simon O Meally is an exception to the rule , mind you he used to train with us for about 3/4 years as a student when he was at University.



4."BTW Kickboxingideot I found the statement "light con crap" offensive you know my backgound and I give both the Light con and Full con equal respect and whilst you are bang into FC you must agree that LC has it's place. both systems are brilliant for over all fitness and defence.

Ok Ok I will hold my hand up and agree that what I said was wrong. I myself have competed in L-con a lot and even held a British L-con title for at least 3 years.


5."Yours and my good freind Brian Barnes teaches kickboxing (FC) in Manchester and has turned out many good fighters. I think you mentiond that he taught you many years ago :cool: and BTW I teach KB in Manchester and even train with Brians lot myself and at 41 years old I can still just about hold my own with his younger students :)

I know you are not after insulting people KBI and so i'm sure you meant to say many clubs not just in Manchester don't cut the grade. :love:"

Goes without saying that my well respected friend and former teacher Mr Barnes does teach FC (as do you) as well as L-con and as such both of you have my utmost respect.
Now when I say the "kickboxing scene in machester sucks ass" I mean that!
I mean the SCENE , where is the kickboxing scene???

Where is the cooperation between clubs and regular promotions etc,...
Now look at FC nationwide:

Daaan saaaaarrf,....
Kent/london/essex,..etc you have Colin payne , steve kerridge carl sams etc,... mainly using the WKU

Midlands you have jagtar johal, serge johal, dean sugden, paul henessey,....etc (really the midlands is the real hot bed). WAKO-pro and ISKA dominate here

North East there is also a lot of activity mainly under the WUMA.

Now the steel city of sheffield once known as "land of the boxers" is now starting a long dormant kickboxing scene.

Sanctioned by the ISKA there are representatives from :
Sheffield Lau gar, Black dragons, Self Defence UK, Kondei Ryu, Woodseats Thaiboxing as well as the host club A.F.K .

Sheffield also has two universities , both of whom have a kickboxing class (both affiliated to AFK) both of whom produce a multitude of fighters in L-con/ FC/Low kick and Cage kickboxing(K1 rules).

[kickboxking1980]

Never has a name been so apt!

'Kickboxingidiot' does what it says on the tin! ;)

[kickboxingidiot]

Never has a name been so apt!

'Kickboxingidiot' does what it says on the tin! ;)

What are your kickboxing credentials? Just curious Mr kickboxing "king".
When you have done anything near to what I've done then you can consider yourself qualified to make judgements such as the above.

Meanwhile youre just a 3 post newbie.
:cool:

Next time read the post properly. Failing that go and retake your GCSE in English :p

LOL in your face

[kickboxking1980]

lol, thank you for that Mr 'Kickboxingidiot'.
My credentials are none of your business but if as you say i have to have done more than what you have done to qualify me to make comments. I consider myself well and truly qualified. 3 post newbie or not, I can type that with my hand on heart.

As you are aware more than most, making lot's of posts on an internet will never make you a great martial artist.
As you are also aware, talk is cheap but actions are what count. lol

Thank you all the same for your concern. lol :D

[Sever]

OK, I think you kids need a little time apart

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