Contridiction

[RR1]

Ok this is a Question that has plauged me for many years.

It deals with Christianity, which is the Religion I practice.
For years Ive wondered at the contridiction created By Creation and science.
My example In the Bible it states that god created earth and everything on it in Seven Days and on the seventh day Man was created. Yet due to the scientific knowledge man has gained we know that Creatures such as dinosaurs had exsisted over 65 Million years BEFORE man. so basicallly this creates a huge contridiction in the bible and modern knowledge. I've wondered this since I was very Little and every time id ask this question I was to told to Just Because, and to accept that. Still the only possible conclusion i could find was that 7 days to god is different form 7 days to us.
Any thoughts?

[Ikken Hisatsu]

something to do with the bible being very... liberal with the facts. the bible is anything but a historical document.

[pulp fiction]

I'm a scientist.

I only believe in what can be proven.

By the way the bible is considered literature and not a historical doccument.

[tekkengod]

In the Bible it states that god created earth and everything on it in Seven Days and on the seventh day Man was created. Yet due to the scientific knowledge man has gained we know that Creatures such as dinosaurs had exsisted over 65 Million years BEFORE man.


I've wondered this since I was very Little and every time i'd ask this question I was to told to Just Because, and to accept that.

Still the only possible conclusion i could find was that 7 days to god is different form 7 days to us.


few things here. A. Scientific knowladge is proven, the bible is far from it and full of such contridictions and musings. The response you where given as a young child at the {ripe and moldable age of 7} is part of the methodical imposed brainwashing that is previlent with christianity. thats how they keep you faithful, by telling you not to question it, and "just accept" every thing that is clearly wrong with the bible. I can see its worked quite well, seeing as how the only conclusion you can come to still supports your beliefs, even though it is clearly in the wrong there, yeild to knowladge my friend. the conclusion here is simple. The bible is wrong, again. it is after all, the biggest tool for atheism in existance.

[RR1]

By the way the bible is considered literature and not a historical doccument.

This I know, When I said it contridicts The Bilble I meant it as It contridicts the Religion itself

I can see its worked quite well, seeing as how the only conclusion you can come to still supports your beliefs, even though it is clearly in the wrong there,

1st point here Im far from brainwashed, otherwise why would i be questioning?
though I will agree that the "just accept it" ploicy is wrong and that questions should be more correctly answered or explained.

2nd. This is not the only conclusion ive come to just the only one that does not completely disprove my relgion.

[jroe52]

in genesis, it gives actually two different versions of how the world is created if you read carefully. i do not have the reading links, but if i remeber the seven days (first story) is a little different then the 2nd version.

i take it as just a story, think of it as a zen question or riddle. does it really matter? what does matter about your religion? its values and beliefs, forgiveness and compassion... or how the world was created and if dinasours are fake?

what is more important to you hehe?

i think many religious people get lost in the unimportant but forget what they are sappose to be practicing.

[tekkengod]

1st point here Im far from brainwashed, otherwise why would i be questioning?
though I will agree that the "just accept it" ploicy is wrong and that questions should be more correctly answered or explained.

2nd. This is not the only conclusion ive come to just the only one that does not completely disprove my relgion.

we agree on that then, the "just accept it" policy is a really bad idea. i'm glad to see someone question their beliefs, i think everyone of all religious branches would benifit from doing so, but you do see that right, they don't want you to question it, because they know how many obvious flaws, lies and contridictions there are in it.

on the 2nd point. that is good, you're a step ahead of most people. you have to be open to the very probable idea that your religion is wrong or you will get no where but frusterated, lied to and still without answers.

[tekkengod]

think of it as a zen question or riddle. does it really matter? what does matter about your religion? its values and beliefs, forgiveness and compassion... or how the world was created and if dinasours are fake?

what is more important to you hehe?

i think many religious people get lost in the unimportant but forget what they are sappose to be practicing.

I think thats a valid claim. but when your religion is founded on stories and fables, you most definately have to question their validity. you won't always like the results, but its nessecary.

[jroe52]

i think thats why jesus spoke in parables, so there was some mystery to get enlightened from. kind of zen:)

[RR1]

we agree on that then, the "just accept it" policy is a really bad idea. i'm glad to see someone question their beliefs, i think everyone of all religious branches would benifit from doing so, but you do see that right, they don't want you to question it, because they know how many obvious flaws, lies and contridictions there are in it.


I do Agree its wrong. But in all honesty I understand why its used. Those posed questions such as this are themselves probably wondering the same thing or if not still completlely unable to give any sort of reasonable answer. there fore just say accept it since they have nothign else to say. Though I believe a samrter idea would be to give some sort of answer that wiould inspire continued faith not frustration and even more unanswered questions.

I myself Envy those who CAN simplt "Accept It" this would seem to make things so much easier. I myself Cannot do this unfortunatly

on the 2nd point. that is good, you're a step ahead of most people. you have to be open to the very probable idea that your religion is wrong or you will get no where but frusterated, lied to and still without answers.

Im open to many ideas, but that is not to say that I am about to go and cast away my faith, because of a few unasnwered questions.

[tekkengod]

I do Agree its wrong. But in all honesty I understand why its used. Those posed questions such as this are themselves probably wondering the same thing or if not still completlely unable to give any sort of reasonable answer. there fore just say accept it since they have nothign else to say. Though I believe a samrter idea would be to give some sort of answer that wiould inspire continued faith not frustration and even more unanswered questions.

I myself Envy those who CAN simplt "Accept It" this would seem to make things so much easier. I myself Cannot do this unfortunatly



Im open to many ideas, but that is not to say that I am about to go and cast away my faith, because of a few unasnwered questions.

I see your point, and i understand why that would be said. but it doesn't justify it at all. a simple "I don't know" would suffice much better than "just accept it" or at the very least, if they where looking to sustain faith, a simple yet reassuring "Answer that for yourself" would work better.

You misplave your Envy, those who CAN 9 times out of 10 simply CHOOSE to, because its easier, and embodies the core foundation of all religion, the crutch. I have the utmost respect for those who DON'T accept it and seek answers when the one they are provided with is flawed or unplausable. Those who accept it are, in my opinion, weak minded. I'm not saying abandon it YET. look for yourself, discover for yourself, learn for yourself, when you can find the flaws on your own, and dissect them intelligently and open mindedly as opposed to quoteing a verse or asking someone whose view is equally if not much more so blinded by religion. Its much easier to just accept it, lie down and avoid having to admit being wrong. but in the end, even though its harder for some people, you'll find life is drastically simplified in the long run by questioning. "Losing all hope is the Greatest freedom you will ever experiance." - Unknown

[BendzR]

Just something I would like to add here...

Before anyone suggests that each day in the bible represents a stage in the big bang and that it has the same order of creation as the bible (which it does not), think about this.

If there is no adam and eve, there is no original sin. If there was death before sin, there is no original sin.

If there is no original sin, there is no forgiveness of sin in the christian sense, and thus Jesus and the entire religion makes no sense.

You can't be a Christian if you're not a creationists that takes the bible literally.

That's how I see it, and many pastors and theologians that ive asked agree with me on this one.

Thoughts anyone ?

[tekkengod]

If there is no original sin, there is no forgiveness of sin in the christian sense, and thus Jesus and the entire religion makes no sense.

Thoughts anyone ?

well there you go. you just simplified your life drastically. good luck! read that last line a few times. and then ask yourself why the christian community is such a mess.

[BendzR]

Correction; my ex-life.

I grew up and accepted my fear of death. The silly little stories went out the window as soon as I did.

[RR1]

asking someone whose view is equally if not much more so blinded by religion.

Ok i felt I had to quote this because i belive your wrong in this sense.
Religion at its core is to have faith. No matter what you have faith in. Beliveing one thing or another does not blind you. If you follow a religion without asking questions and just accept it and are happy with it and faithful, you are not blinded your happy. and that is what i envy. but saying someones view is blinded because they believe something that you dont is wrong, no matter who is right.

[tekkengod]

Correction; my ex-life.

I grew up and accepted my fear of death. The silly little stories went out the window as soon as I did.

Congratulations!!! you are a step ahead of the game!

[tekkengod]

Ok i felt I had to quote this because i belive your wrong in this sense.
Religion at its core is to have faith. No matter what you have faith in. Beliveing one thing or another does not blind you. If you follow a religion without asking questions and just accept it and are happy with it and faithful, you are not blinded your happy. and that is what i envy. but saying someones view is blinded because they believe something that you dont is wrong, no matter who is right.

hmmm....I agree, calling someone blinded for the sole purpose that they disagree is one thing, and wrong at that.

But calling someone blinded because of a clear and present inability to accept truths and lies is another. Being blinded by tradition is also another sense of that. give me a minute to find the thread and i'll give you an example.

[RR1]

But calling someone blinded because of a clear and present inability to accept truths and lies is another.

True, but in the case of Religion wat your so sure is truth and wat lies is the exact opposite of another person and no matter wat u argue it wont change wat they believe.

[pulp fiction]

IT is almost impossible to change a person's view of religion, but you have to learn to respect other people's religions.

[tekkengod]

True, but in the case of Religion wat your so sure is truth and wat lies is the exact opposite of another person and no matter wat u argue it wont change wat they believe.

also true, but when the validity or credibility of the statement in point being a lie or truth is not in question, and they still refuse to accept them, or when they clearly violate their own logic in their futile attempts to hold the high ground, then they are clearly blinded or ignorant, or most often, both.

[akitaka]

also true, but when the validity or credibility of the statement in point being a lie or truth is not in question, and they still refuse to accept them, or when they clearly violate their own logic in their futile attempts to hold the high ground, then they are clearly blinded or ignorant, or most often, both.

Nice post.
It's almost akin to a game of "right" and "wrong"; where one or both players feel that they have to be "right". In the end, they're imposing their beliefs and ultimatly giving in to hypocrisy, since they often think that they are just being "open minded". For this reason I think the effects of religion in general are ambivalent. You can be happy, for as long as you don't use your "source" of happiness as a crutch. You have to think for yourself, sometimes.

[tekkengod]

Nice post.
It's almost akin to a game of "right" and "wrong"; where one or both players feel that they have to be "right". In the end, they're imposing their beliefs and ultimatly giving in to hypocrisy, since they often think that they are just being "open minded". For this reason I think the effects of religion in general are ambivalent. You can be happy, for as long as you don't use your "source" of happiness as a crutch. You have to think for yourself, sometimes.

Thanks.

EXACTLY!! but STILL so many people fail to see that, you don't NEED a relationship with god {assuming you are safely with in the standard of "SANE"} you don't NEED to pray every time something goes wrong, or PRAISE every time something happens, this is one of my BIGGEST problems with religion. You DO NOT NEED A CRUTCH!! but in the end, no one is willing to accept being "wrong" let alone being, "enlightened" or accept a new idea.