Common Street Attacks??

[Shuri]

What is the most common 1st attack (act of aggression) you most commonly have seen in a situation on the street?

[Bil Gee]

Generally lots of posturing, with a few pushes to see what the other person has got.

[soon]

'Rear Grag' often followed by the cry 'all your base....'

:D :D :D

[dormindo]

Most definitely, in my experience, I've witnessed the push followed closely by the wild haymakers. That's usually the way I've seen it go down.

ciao,

dormindo

[Shuri]

HEY! Vote so i can see my pretty bars go up darn it! hehe

[Ikken Hisatsu]

yeah most fights i see start at quite close range, pushing and shoving etc, then descend into big haymakers and clinching.

[dormindo]

HEY! Vote so i can see my pretty bars go up darn it! hehe

Sorry, thought I'd voted earlier, but I suppose that I'd simply checked 'push' and neglected to click on the 'vote now' option. It is done now.

ciao,

dormindo

[Shuri]

Based on this poll it appears i have been training in MA for nothing. All i had to do was learn to defend against the push... LOL

[Kwan Jang]

Cross culturally, the five most common attacks by an untrained attacker are 1)haymaker 2)choke 3)tackle 4)bearhug and 5)headlock. Most attackers will "interview" a potential victim to see if they are "safe" to attack since they are more looking for a victim than a fight. You can see the rudimentary versions of this with young children on the playground or schoolyard, and it may become somewhat more refined by their elders. However, the basic principles are the same.

[RR1]

often what I have seen if a fight takes place where their can be consequences from the fight (wheter it be at a school or watever) people often push to goad the opponent into striking first. once theyve done this the fight is now the oponents fault and they can retaliate as they wish

[dormindo]

Based on this poll it appears i have been training in MA for nothing. All i had to do was learn to defend against the push... LOL

Sumo. perhaps??

ciao,

dormindo

[ninjas-r-us]

What Ive seen is, in 1 on 1 the aggresor will step closly giving insults and ending with an open handed slap the the face or a shove. Thats my EXP.

[Timmy Boy]

Eye gouges, groin kicks and leopard fists :D

Yeah it's usually, in my experience, two guys squaring up to each other, then they push each other for a bit (they're usually too scared to actually start and are just trying to look like hard men) and eventually someone will throw a haymaker and it all kicks off. The fights don't seem to go to the ground much unless they're drunk, because they would rather fight standing up, but occasionally they do a bastardised clinch type thing.

That's not to say they're all bad fighters, just not very technical. They shouldn't be underestimated because the raw aggression can often overcome a more technical fighter.

[Timmy Boy]

Based on this poll it appears i have been training in MA for nothing. All i had to do was learn to defend against the push... LOL

I think it's just designed to intimidate the other person into not fighting, which IMO is a sure sign that the pusher doesn't really want to actually fight either, he just wants to show he's a hard man.

[Matt_Bernius]

I think its important to differentiate escalating situations from street attacks. The coversation to push and punch (usually a hook) is typical in escalating situations.

In the case of a street attack, there may be no real escalation stage. You may get jumped (usually by multiple people). Or you may get mugged, having someone approach you with a question and then either sucker punch you or produce a weapon at close range.

- Matt

[slipthejab]

Your forgot to add.... Attack by pint glass to your list....

Here's a quick bit (from last year) with some images as to what can happen when you try to break up two people about to have a punch up....


Police are searching for a man who seriously assaulted an off-duty police officer at a Prahran nightclub early yesterday.

The 24-year-old constable received a deep cut below her left eye when a man hit her with a glass at the Lizard Lounge on Chapel Street about 3am, police said.

In a separate incident, a 16-year-old boy was hit in the face with a glass at a party in Heidelberg on Saturday night.

Police are still looking for the man who hit the police officer when she tried to intervene in an altercation between him and a friend, Detective Senior Constable Chris Corbett said.

Police believe the man knew the woman, whom they would not name, was a police officer before he hit her.

"He made it known that he knew that she was a policewoman," Senior Constable Corbett said. "Whether that had any bearing on his actions we don't know . . . I would suggest he knew via someone else at the party that she was a policewoman."

Senior Constable Corbett said the glass smashed when it hit the constable's face.

The officer suffered significant blood loss, according to the Metropolitan Ambulance Service, which was called to the scene. She was taken to The Alfred hospital where she was in a stable condition after surgery yesterday.
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The officer, who has been a member of the police force for about 12 months, was celebrating a friend's 30th birthday at the club and other police officers were among the crowd.

Senior Constable Corbett said the offender had either hidden or left the area when ambulance officers arrived.

He said the incident appeared "totally unprovoked". "Any time these incidents occur it's concerning. I think when they do occur they need to be addressed," he said.

In the Heidelberg incident, police believe a teenager was hit with a glass when a group of up to 10 people gatecrashed a 16th birthday party and a fight broke out.

The injured youth, from Montmorency, was in a stable condition at Royal Melbourne Hospital yesterday after facial surgery.

Ambulance spokesman James Howe said injuries involving glass to the head could be life-threatening. "Paramedics have to work very quickly to control the bleeding before taking them to hospital for further surgery," he said.

Police plan to examine the security video from the club and are appealing for witnesses. The offender is believed to be in his late 20s or early 30s, with blond hair, a medium build and about 172 centimetres tall. He was wearing a dark, collared shirt.

Anyone with information about the incident involving the policewoman or the fight that injured the teenager at the Heidelberg party is urged to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

[bassai]

I beleive it's human nature that in a violent situationif you have something in your hand you will use it as a weapon,hence the number of glassings at pubs.

[Davey Bones]

My clients tend toward lots of posturing, pushing, and shoving. Then they start with the bitch-smacking. Then the wild haymakers.

[slipthejab]

My clients tend toward lots of posturing, pushing, and shoving. Then they start with the bitch-smacking. Then the wild haymakers.


Charming.

yeah, the bitch smack is quite ubiquitous in the United States.:D

[Davey Bones]

It gives me job security :bang:

[slipthejab]

It gives me job security :bang:

And thank sweet Jesus for diversity in this world..

Hot young Japanese girls manage to turn it into something sexy!!!
(ha... even that sentence is funny!)

http://mediapickle.com/new/?p=content_template2&idb=970

LOL!:D

[Hapkido Student]

Hmm... I don't know. Honestly it depend's where you live. Where I live I've seen alot of gang violence, shooting's, stabbing's, wild haymaker's, and machette attacks. I have noticed that alot of the first aggresive movement's are pushing and gesturing and then followed by some wild punches everywere and eventually tackle's. So IMHO pushing would start it off.

[Davey Bones]

Slip, you REALLY have issues. :p

[slipthejab]

Slip, you REALLY have issues. :p

I'm workin' em out.... online.:D

[Davey Bones]

I noticed. Gods help us all if turn up bound and gagged on here.

[FifthFreedom]

That picture is pretty gruesome. Goes to show how even common everyday objects can be turned into seriously dangerous weapons.

[Bil Gee]

That picture is pretty gruesome. Goes to show how even common everyday objects can be turned into seriously dangerous weapons.

It's what put us at the top of the food chain.

[Mark Barlow]

I think it depends on where you are, who you're dealing with (culture & age) and the nature of the dispute (disagreement that turns physical or premeditated criminal assault). Working as a bouncer, I've seen lots of shoving matches where neither party really wanted to fight and I've seen unprovoked beat downs where the victim didn't know what hit them.

Mark Barlow

[clemsontkd]

I dont know if it counts but i got in a fight once in eigth grade. The guy was behind me, he gave me a slight push and slapped me in the back of the head. I turned around and as i came around i swung and nailed him in the face. He hit the ground and that was that. Sooo...I would say pushing is a sign.

[Cosmo Kramer]

id say a push is the most common way for someone to start out, usually fighter A pushes, fighter B pushes back, then one of them strikes. a few months ago i was comming out of a bar with my friends just talking and out of no where a guy comes over and pushes me, so i pushed him back, putting him on the ground. then his friend gets in front of me and tells me not to push him like that, and i said he was the one who pushed me. so we start to walk away, and the guy gets up and starts yelling stuff about be, calling me a fag and what not, so i turned around started walking back to him, pointed at him and said in a angry tone "what did you say about me?" both him and his friend were silent. then i gave them a stare and just turned around to walk away, then they were going across the street to their car and one of em said something, and my friend started chanting "PUSS-Y" im like, dude just relaxe they are leaving. and they drove off. closest ive been to a fight in about a year and a half. anyways sorry i always have to tell a story.....but usualy its pusing to start out based on what i have seen

[JazzHands]

Ok, so it seems like everyone agrees that the most common street attacks start with pushing (actually they usually start with words...), then comes the haymakers and or tackles. This is my experience too. So why are most martial arts based off the straight punch?
My guess is that a trained fighter knows the usefulness of a good straight punch (jab, etc), so most martial artists are actually practicing to fight a trained fighter, and not a street brawler (which is probably what we will face). Anyone else have any ideas. Did street thugs in Ancient China really punch differently?? I doubt it.
Secondly, why don't Sensei's and Sifu's train their student primarily off the haymaker? In my experience, practicing for a straight punch isn't the same.

[Albert]

Unless your being mugged, its almost always a push that starts it off, its good thing to remember, cause you dont wanna get shoved rite into the ground.

[Raven927]

what i've seen is the pushing fase then the ''Yo homie you're a fag bla bla i'am so tough'' then it usually get's broken up or the whild haymakers start and i my MA class we train to block straghi and haymaker punches :D

[MaS_OyaMa]

Well-- the reason why MAist train the straight punch, because with proper body mechanics, you can easily stop a haymaker with a straight punch... and you can also throw MORE straight punches than you can haymakers. Haymakers tend to cause more fatigue than straight punches do. And when throwing straight punches, you tend to "beat them to the punch" so to speak.

So, at MA schools, you should learn how to block ALL attacks, whether it be straight punches, haymakers, kicks, sweeps, etc. My school has a variety of learning how to defend yourself in such ways, whether it be sparring applications, bunkai to katas, or maybe we'll just learn some blocking applications one night in class.

But if you train in your MA, and you are confident in your technique, then you should have NO problem handling some thug in school, or in public.

~~Thanks.