RBSD systems !?

[oldyangtaiji]

The Thread on Ki Chuan Do was closed by the moderators !!! :woo:
As a proud practicer of KCD I consider it as an exellent RBSD system. :love: Some reviews:
- http://www.realcombatonline.com/article.php?article=56
- http://www.themartialist.com/pecom/attackproof.htm

But there are other RBSD systems. Any experiences with this field? Any recommended system or instructor?

[Aegis]

I thought you said you were only interested in the system, not a practicioner? Have you been "misrepresenting the truth" to us...?

[Aegis]

The Thread on Ki Chuan Do was closed by the moderators !!! :woo:
As a proud practicer of KCD I consider it as an exellent RBSD system. :love: Some reviews:
- http://www.realcombatonline.com/article.php?article=56
- http://www.themartialist.com/pecom/attackproof.htm

But there are other RBSD systems. Any experiences with this field? Any recommended system or instructor?
In addition, those are reviews of a book, not a system. The system shown in the videos in the now-closed thread were not good examples of self defence, pure and simple!

[LJoll]

Stop lieing. Do you do KCD or don't you? If you do how long have you studied it fot? Why are you so desperate for us to aprove of it? I think without exeption we've all said that it look awful, so i don't see what your trying to prove by starting these thread. Your discrediting yourself with your contradictory comments about your experience with KCD, and if you havn't been to a class like you said in the first thread, are you sure your quailified to market this system to us?

[bassai]

Mate just find a class and put some time in then come backto us.



you CANNOT learn any ma from a book/video/dvd buy them for a look or better an aid to existing training,but don't think you know all about the art without actualy experiencing it first hand.

[oldyangtaiji]

Aegis - I am interested in the system an I am also a practicioner. I agree that in the thread were not good examples of self defence, but there were not "time" to discuss about that.

zhán shi - I study KCD only a few weeks. KCD classes are only in New York, and I am not from USA. I have a lot of experiance in MA, so I can learn also something from the videos!

bassai - I knon it enought to comment it! I know that is better experiencing it in first hand, but I didn't have this posibility! I don't know all about it, I am yust a beginner!

But lets talk about RBSD systems! What are your experiences?

[slipthejab]

oldyangtaiji

You could get so much more out of this forum if you only left out the KCD stuff for a bit... it's too fresh in everyones mind from watching those abysmal videos of people getting themselves stabbed in a makeshift elevator by attempting to high kick a knife wielder!

You or KCD won't live that down for a while... until then every time you post regarding KCD no one will take it or you seriously. Period.

Now were sure you have something to contribute and were sure that you could learn something here at MAP as well... but don't show up to the party with old funky dog poop all over your shoes! :eek:

Just quietly start and RBSD thread with no mention of KCD and with no videos of people doing dumb stuff that would get them stabbed. Simple.

See what I'm gettin' at?

You'd probably have gotten a lot of good insight and responses to RBSD had you not gone and mentioned KCD... it's become a red flag for people waiting to take the piss...

let KCD chill and persue what you want to know about RBSD for a bit. :D

[Aegis]

Aegis - I am interested in the system an I am also a practicioner. I agree that in the thread were not good examples of self defence, but there were not "time" to discuss about that.

I think in the other thread you denied being a practicioner. Suddenly your almost zealot approach to defending KCD seems much more understandable. However, it doesn't change the fact that as an advert for their self defence system they have posted some of the worst self defence clips I've seen since the Jim Carrey knife defence clip. When advertising your system, you put up the best it has to offer, and if that's good enough then there is very little hope for the rest of the system.

There was plenty of time to discuss the videos, but for some reason you seemed unwilling to defend them.

zhán shi - I study KCD only a few weeks. KCD classes are only in New York, and I am not from USA. I have a lot of experiance in MA, so I can learn also something from the videos!

Learning from videos is almost never going to work anywhere near as well as learning from an instructor. You would be much better off going to an instructor within driving distance and learning something better in a better way.

bassai - I knon it enought to comment it! I know that is better experiencing it in first hand, but I didn't have this posibility! I don't know all about it, I am yust a beginner!

If you truly are justa beginner then you almost certainly don't know enough about it to comment on it beyond what we have already seen. The facts remain: the system advocates ridiculous knife defences that WILL get you badly hurt if you try them.

[JayKayD]

I just watched those videos and they are much funnier than the Jim Carey knife defence video, especially the one with the g.i. rolling round on the floor making three people dive out of the way whenever he brushed past them.

[oldyangtaiji]

Aegis - Why beginners could not comment? I am at least a beginner (I studied with their material), but others comment it without be not even beginners! :bang:

slipthejab - You asked me what I want to know about RBSD? Finally we can begin to discuss :D

RBSD systems claims that are made for realistic scenarios self-defence. We now that human body has it own mechanics and some movements are more suitable (faster and effective) than others for selfdefense. Which system/instructor done the best job in forming the realistic SD system? The most recommended are Tony Blauer, Richard Dimitri, Sammy Franco and Richard Ryan. Any opinion about them? Maybe others, better ones?

[MaS_OyaMa]

RBSD systems claims that are made for realistic scenarios self-defence. We now that human body has it own mechanics and some movements are more suitable (faster and effective) than others for selfdefense.



Sounds like familiar styles of Martial Arts to me :confused:

[medi]

That last thread was awesome. I'm gutted I missed it.



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[Aegis]

Aegis - Why beginners could not comment? I am at least a beginner (I studied with their material), but others comment it without be not even beginners! :bang:

I never said beginners couldn't comment. I said:

If you truly are just a beginner then you almost certainly don't know enough about it to comment on it beyond what we have already seen.

In other words I stated that as a beginner your opinion on the system is really no more insightful than our opinion. Given that many people have now viewed those advertising videos and explained why they are ridiculous, it is simply your opinion against theirs, both almost equally uninformed on the specifics of this system.

RBSD systems claims that are made for realistic scenarios self-defence. We now that human body has it own mechanics and some movements are more suitable (faster and effective) than others for selfdefense.

In that case I would have to disquallify KCD from being a RBSD system, as it quite obviously isn't made for realistic scenarios!



Personally I'm of the opinion that it's more to do with the person and the training than on the system, but that the system needs to teach useful techniques rather than silliness. As long as you try to train realistically, you will eventually learn realistic defences. This will take time though, and there are no shortcuts when trying to learn a complete self defence system. It will take hard work over a long time, and even then it won't be fool proof.

[Judderman]

Gee, I hope another Dingo isn't going to miss thier kidneys......

keep it flame proof please guys.....