Combat Hapkido Old School

[ELBOHEMIO]

I'm wondering how many combat hapkido practitioners here are from the "Old School" material???

I recieved this week 4 old material videos from the CH and is exactly the same CH we used to do in the dojang when the dojang was part of the Federation. Now ICHF they are using another "basic" curriculum but I prefered the old one.

[American HKD]

I'm wondering how many combat hapkido practitioners here are from the "Old School" material???

I recieved this week 4 old material videos from the CH and is exactly the same CH we used to do in the dojang when the dojang was part of the Federation. Now ICHF they are using another "basic" curriculum but I prefered the old one.

Greetings,

I'm not CH student but what you say is true, from my knowledge CH started out as an EXACT COPY of traditional HKD by a man who came up the ladder rather quickly in the traditional sense. :rolleyes:

It did evolve into an eclectic system with a core in HKD.

As I see it, most Traditional HKD players don't care for system or the direction CH took, but to be fair many people do like it who come from TKD or other backgrounds who never learned Joint Locks and pressure points etc.

[mixmastersenior]

The "Od School" teachings were the way I started. I still have all the first generration instruction tapes myself. fun to go back and watch sometimes.
If you look at the old tapes, there was no set cirriculum to speak of. It was conceptual. Tape 1 had the basics. breakfalls, kicks, strikes, and basic breakaways. Tape 2 dealt with all the wrist techniques. Same side grab, cross hand grab, 2 hand grabs, Side wrist grabs, and rear grabs. It showed
anywhere from 6-12 for each of the attacks. Tape 3 dealt with garment grabs, collar, lapel, sleeve, shoulder, belt. And again, multiple techniques were shown for each grab. Tape 4 dealt with dynamic and rear attacks,
punches, kicks, chokes and rear holds.
In the current cirriculum, instead of trying to learn 8 different outside wrist locks or 5 different armbars at once, the techniques are broken down into belt levels. Beginners are taught some basic kicks, breakaways, and a couple wrist locks and maybe an armber. At the next level, a little more is taught and so on. it is hoped that the student is not confused or overwhelmed with all the variations at once.

[Hapkido Student]

Well, it depend's on how you view "old School" In my Hapkido class we do all of the above that you said, and i have noticed that the move's progressivly get harder. I remember when i was taking judo we only did certain grabs,throw's and breakfall's. Now when I see the class that i used to take I've noticed that they are doing more of advanced move's at lower level's. Sorry if it's a little off topic. I just wanted to help. :)

[Thomas]

I believe you are refering to the "old" videos in contrast to the newer ones.
I started on the "old" video curriculum and it was really well suited to training without a focus on belt ranks. Being composed of blocks of techniques, it was easy to try them out and extract a few that you like.

The "new" tapes (now being replaced by the DVDs - are they the same?) are set up by belt rank and have broken up the blocks of techniques into smaller chunks manageable as a student progresses up the ranks. I like the idea of breaking the material down into manageable chunks and I think this allows people to focus on a wider variety of situations at each level.

Personally we use the new videos and have linked our curriculum and promotions to it. I periodically go through the old tapes and extract variations and different finishes that are in it.

On a side note
Watching the "old" videos really shows GM P's background in Hapkido and his stances, entries, and techniques are much more "Hapkido-esque" in nature. In fact, I watched one of the older tapes immediately after watching GM Bong Soo-han's "Red" belt tape and the similarities are very close. Anyone who is curious about GM P's background and hasn't had the chance to meet him yet can look at the early videos and see his background in Hapkido.

The newer tapes really show how much GM P has been modifying the curriculum and adding elements of trapping (Jun Fan), FMA, and so on. The old tapes are more like "traditional" Hapkido and the newer ones show the departure clearly.

[ELBOHEMIO]

The "new" tapes (now being replaced by the DVDs - are they the same?)

What I heard, yes.

[ELBOHEMIO]

Thomas how many old tapes you have??? I have 8 of them.

[Dr.Syn]

My 2 cents worth..I own the Black Belt and Master series along with the trapping DVD..A good investments..

[Thomas]

Thomas how many old tapes you have??? I have 8 of them.
My instructor has 1-8, and I recently purchased #5-8 for myself from www.ichf.com at the "marketplace"... they are labelled volumes 11-14 on the outside but in reality are #5-8. They might still have some and they are going cheap (like $10 each)

[ELBOHEMIO]

So in total they are 14 volumes of the old videos?

[Thomas]

So in total they are 14 volumes of the old videos?
No. There were 4 volumes of the original set (1-4) and then a "Master's set" (5-8). That composes the "Classic Combat Hapkido" set.

What happened (speculating) I presume is that the orginal 4 volumes were revised and set to a "belt curriculum" (some things added, some deleted) and made into a 10 volume set (1-10). I believe that for a limited time, the ICHF took the "Master's Set" and put them into boxes labelled 11-14... as a temporary continuation of the set(My set has "volumes 11-14" on the cartons, which are otherwise exactly the same as my instructor's cartons with the exception of the numbers, but mine have #5-8 on the tapes themselves).

Of course, later, there were separate volumes made for 2nd dan (volume 11), 3rd dan (volume 12), 4th dan (volume 13) and 5th dan (volume 14) that fit into the same style and format as the 10 volume set. With this completed, the old set has been phased out. Now the Video 1-10 are being phased out and replaced by DVDs. The 2nd-5th dan DVDs will follow later.

[ELBOHEMIO]

No. There were 4 volumes of the original set (1-4) and then a "Master's set" (5-8). That composes the "Classic Combat Hapkido" set.

What happened (speculating) I presume is that the orginal 4 volumes were revised and set to a "belt curriculum" (some things added, some deleted) and made into a 10 volume set (1-10). I believe that for a limited time, the ICHF took the "Master's Set" and put them into boxes labelled 11-14... as a temporary continuation of the set(My set has "volumes 11-14" on the cartons, which are otherwise exactly the same as my instructor's cartons with the exception of the numbers, but mine have #5-8 on the tapes themselves).

Of course, later, there were separate volumes made for 2nd dan (volume 11), 3rd dan (volume 12), 4th dan (volume 13) and 5th dan (volume 14) that fit into the same style and format as the 10 volume set. With this completed, the old set has been phased out. Now the Video 1-10 are being phased out and replaced by DVDs. The 2nd-5th dan DVDs will follow later.

Ok, Thanks