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KidCanFight
05-Jul-2005, 11:22 AM
Hi. I have made up some scenarios. basically, you just say what you would do in that event. Seems simple to me.

1. Someone is being mouthy and threatening. After trying to back avoid a fight, they throw a punch............

2. Someone attacks you with a big stick...................

3. 2 people have grabbed your girlfriend and are threatening to hurt her. After pleading with them, one comes and tries to beat you up.....

Heres what I would do:

1 - I'd block the punch, then punch them hard in the elbow pit. Then put them in a headlock for a while, then trip them over and run away.

2- I'd run around a corner and make them chase me. As they turned the corner I would kick them in the ribs before they could hit me.

3 - Bash the person coming towards me, then go near the person holding the girlfriend as if to talk to the girlfriend, then give the person a hard sucker punch (bad I know, but In that situation its justified)

Lets hear what you would do, and feel free to add your own scenarios.

Ikken Hisatsu
05-Jul-2005, 11:25 AM
1- I'd floor him

2- I'd run like a girl (a really fast girl)

3- I'd put them down hard.

"Everyone has a plan til you punch them in the mouth"

planning out what you would do in a scenario is kind of silly.

Sgt_Major
05-Jul-2005, 11:26 AM
1. Take the punch on guard, and use it to pull them close enough to headbutt/elbow, try to keep contact on the arm and use it as a takedown, quick kick to the back of head, run away.....

2. RUN! and dont stop til they do...

3. VERY hard situ .... wouldnt know what to do til I was in it.


Your choices.

1. better to run as soon as you punch them....
2. this could get you badly beat up.
3. This could get your girlfriend killed.

KidCanFight
05-Jul-2005, 11:28 AM
Your choices.

1. better to run as soon as you punch them....
2. this could get you badly beat up.
3. This could get your girlfriend killed.

Thanks for that. Im a newbie, so my ideas are probably a bit dumb.

Taliar
05-Jul-2005, 11:30 AM
1. Its already to late, should have controlled the situation, run away or attacked first, odds of being victorious go down alot when you lose initiative.

2. Run away.

3. Take them down, unless Girlfriend had kicked their butts first!! Girls can fight back you know :D .

Sgt_Major
05-Jul-2005, 11:31 AM
no problem. I guessed that from your answers ;) :D

number 1 rule in MA ........ you never know what your opponent is capable of. Whilst you may be trying to hurt them, or they hurt you, respect the fact you dont know them (unless you do), and therefore they are unpredictable, always err on the side of caution to get yourself home safe. There is no glory in dying in a gutter with a knife in your belly because some punk was mouthing off.....better to run everytime than that.

KidCanFight
05-Jul-2005, 11:49 AM
no problem. I guessed that from your answers ;) :D

number 1 rule in MA ........ you never know what your opponent is capable of. Whilst you may be trying to hurt them, or they hurt you, respect the fact you dont know them (unless you do), and therefore they are unpredictable, always err on the side of caution to get yourself home safe. There is no glory in dying in a gutter with a knife in your belly because some punk was mouthing off.....better to run everytime than that.

Good point. A 7 ft muscly person may be really lame and weak, while many short, old asian men are REALLY TOUGH!

Nick K
05-Jul-2005, 11:55 AM
1. Run

2. Run

3. If they've got hold of my wife - watch while she kills them both. Twice.

Seriously, Ikken is right. No plan is the best plan. Simple well practised techniques - if you're thinking, you're hit. I fall back on traps, open palm and elbow strikes, and low kicks. It's what I'm good at.

Kwajman
05-Jul-2005, 01:41 PM
Well I dont' have a girlfriend, but I have an ex-wife. Hmmmm, what to do what to do.........I might let her new wimpy metrosexual husband throw his purse at them......nah, they'd laugh too hard. But then I could grab her and run away. But why would I do that???? :)

thepunisher
05-Jul-2005, 01:52 PM
1. Someone is being mouthy and threatening. After trying to back avoid a fight, they throw a punch............ I'd block the punch and hit him full power in the stomach with a Chudan Tsuki.When he is down I'd call out for someone to call the police holding his arms in the back in a lock.


2. Someone attacks you with a big stick...................I'd block the stick with a upper block then give a knee-dislocation kick to the leg. After he is down I'd run away.


3. 2 people have grabbed your girlfriend and are threatening to hurt her. After pleading with them, one comes and tries to beat you up.....
Bit of a "worse case szenario" there...my own skills might not be good enough to take both of them out if they attack me. But to defend my gf I might try it anyways....letting my instincts take over.

Christian

Matt_Bernius
05-Jul-2005, 02:01 PM
1. Hit them hard.
2. Run. If no run then hit them really hard.
3. If they're holding her and attacking me, then I hit them really, really, really hard.

But like everyone says, anything beyond that is purely situational.

- Matt

Nevada_MO_Guy
05-Jul-2005, 03:39 PM
1. Someone is being mouthy and threatening. After trying to back avoid a fight, they throw a punch............

2. Someone attacks you with a big stick...................

3. 2 people have grabbed your girlfriend and are threatening to hurt her. After pleading with them, one comes and tries to beat you up.....

1. Arms up to block while throwing a snap kick to the groin or a thrust kick to the bladder.

2. Don't bring fists to a big stick fight :eek: Find something to put between us....a car, a tree....a city block.

3. Girlfriend in danger [activating pissed off mode]. Block inside or block outside his attack, whatever the situation calls for, while pressing forward.....grab firmly onto his head and twist. Finish with a knee to the chest or back (whichever way you have him land)
Look at his buddy and repeat as necessary. [de-activating pissed off mode].

Davey Bones
05-Jul-2005, 03:42 PM
The whole thing is situational, lol. You need to add more facts to your hypos. For example, why on earth would I stick around while someone is getting mouthy? I would just walk away. It's so much simpler than getting into some macho shouting match. Is the jerk holding my better half armed? Where is this all happening? In a bar? The parking garage? The mall? It's very easy to say "I'd do this" until you think about all the factors that go into being aware of your surroundings, that is part of what MA is about, awareness.

Jujitm
05-Jul-2005, 03:53 PM
1. run if I can't run then kick their leg and hit them until their down with what ever works.

2. run if I can't then i'd use the Jujitsu principal of get in close to gain more control on them entering and then I have more chance of taking the arms then the stick (doing this safed my skull when I messed up with live weapons on the tatami) and then i'd do whatever comes to me

3. I'd try to get them to fight me rather than hurt her and i'll use whatever works to fight if I can find a weapon nearby i'd use that.

Captain Kebab
05-Jul-2005, 06:31 PM
I would hope I'd be sufficiently careful and savvy (even when I've had a gargle) to avoid or defuse any of these situations before they got to this stage, but for the sake of argument.....

1. Someone is being mouthy and threatening. After trying to back avoid a fight, they throw a punch............

Run away if I can. Otherwise, avoid/parry/block the punch. I can't say how I'd do this even if you'd said what the punch is - I just react to what's in front of me. Then I'd hit him as hard as possible as often as necessary to give me sufficient space to run away - and I'd do one.

2. Someone attacks you with a big stick...................

Run away if I can. Otherwise, attempt to avoid the stick - I don't want to block it if I can help it, it will probably break my arm - try to get inside the range of his stick or close him down from the outside and proceed as in 1. If there's any chance of getting a grip on the arm holding the stick, or even a decent grip on the stick, I'd go for it. I'd be in deep trouble though and probably looking at getting seriously battered- just have to do what I can. If there is anything I can use as a weapon lying around and I've time to pick it up, I'd use it. Mind you, if I've got time to pick something up I've probably got time to run.......

3. 2 people have grabbed your girlfriend and are threatening to hurt her. After pleading with them, one comes and tries to beat you up.....

Run away. My wife would kill me if she found out I had a girlfriend! :)

To address the question, if it was my wife they had grabbed I'd have to respond. In your scenario one is holding my wife, one is attacking me - therefore I'd do my best to take my attacker down as fast and hard as possible then deal with the second assailant. Not a good situation, however. We're both in trouble. Lord help them if I win, though, I wouldn't be gentle.

I don't think you can identify a specific response to each situation in terms of what actual techniques you'd use. Whilst visualising and rehearsing specific responses to specific attacks is essential training if you are to have a useful range of techniques to use, imagining that you will necessarily react with a specific technique to an unspecified attack is beginner's thinking.

However, I think the questions asked are valid ones - whilst you can't necessarily know what techniques you will use in any given situation, you can and should have a gameplan, in the sense of what your triggers are going to be. For example, if I think it's about to go off, my initial response is to be somewhere else, promptly. If I find myself in a situation where I believe I'm about to be attacked and I haven't time or space to run away then my response is to launch a pre-emptive attack and cause sufficient disability and/or confusion in my attacker to enable me to run away. If I'm actually attacked then all I can do is rely on my training and instincts to try to defeat whatever I'm faced with.

Leo_E_49
05-Jul-2005, 07:02 PM
Well I dont' have a girlfriend, but I have an ex-wife. Hmmmm, what to do what to do.........I might let her new wimpy metrosexual husband throw his purse at them......nah, they'd laugh too hard. But then I could grab her and run away. But why would I do that???? :)

More likely use some of his perfume as pepper spray. Some of that kinda stuff might even be useful.

Rebel Wado
05-Jul-2005, 07:34 PM
It is important to build good awareness and risk verse threat assessment skills. In all the situations you have very little time to make a good risk verse threat assessment so experience in recognizing triggers and warning signs is very useful, and the ability to act on these signs in an appropriate and effective manner should be a goal in training for practical application of your martial arts abilities.

For starters, in all the situations listed, don't drop your guard. Be aware at anytime one of those involved in the situation or someone else from the unseen could come at you and attack with lethal force.

For instance they may start to walk away, turn around quickly and thrust a knife into your chest.

Don't drop your guard.

TheCount
05-Jul-2005, 08:08 PM
Hi. I have made up some scenarios. basically, you just say what you would do in that event. Seems simple to me.

1. Someone is being mouthy and threatening. After trying to back avoid a fight, they throw a punch............
I'd have them

2. Someone attacks you with a big stick...................
As 1. but Id shove the stick where the sun doesn't shine

3. 2 people have grabbed your girlfriend and are threatening to hurt her. After pleading with them, one comes and tries to beat you up.....
Id get my girlfriend away from them and hurt them, a lot. No I would not phone the ambulance



Sums it up

mystererae
05-Jul-2005, 08:16 PM
1. do something with the punch, kick to knee or groin, punch... or anything else that can successfully lead to "run away" or "find Sifu and instructors"
2. close in to get some control and try to disarm or incapacitate, also leading to "run away" and/or "find Sifu and instructors".
3. well, I don't have a girlfriend. should this happen to my boyfriend -- laugh as he makes mincemeat of them. [in case of wimpy boyfriend: wonder why I'm a more proficient fighter than my boyfriend and consider footing his tuition at my martial arts school.]

Zankuro
05-Jul-2005, 08:40 PM
Assuming that dealing forcibly with the situations was nessecary.. i.e., no running or reasoning possible. And giving my likely response, since I have no idea what I would do until I've already done it. :P

1. If it seemed like a fairly threatening situation, probably just block it and drill them in the stomach/ribs/whatever was available. Otherwise, I would probably toss or take them down in some fashion.

2. Either grab something of my own or just deal with them empty handed. Scenario's too vague to go into more detail. I would probably try to take it away and smack them with it or something.

3. Wait for her to do some kind of release for one or both of the grabbers, and go in with a flying double kick or something. Then we could just one on one them if they weathered that. What's the point of training with a signifigant other if they can't do anything? ;)

Korpy
05-Jul-2005, 10:58 PM
1. Dodge the person, then just palm strike the person in the face, or roundhouse kick them in their side.

2. Run, let the person chase you, stop when they get close, and reverse side kick the person.

3. When the guy gets close enough, grab him by the wrist and tiger strike him in his throat, don't put lethal force into it, but enough to hurt him seriously. Then pick him up, and twist his head and walk towards the other guy. Say I'll snap it, if you don't hand over my girlfriend. When he gives her up, drop his friend, kick him in the groin, grab him and repeatedly knee him in his stomach.

Jesh
06-Jul-2005, 12:02 AM
Hi. I have made up some scenarios. basically, you just say what you would do in that event. Seems simple to me.

1. Someone is being mouthy and threatening. After trying to back avoid a fight, they throw a punch............

2. Someone attacks you with a big stick...................

3. 2 people have grabbed your girlfriend and are threatening to hurt her. After pleading with them, one comes and tries to beat you up.....

1. Kick him in the groin and run... or something to that effect...

2. Do I have a stick of my own ??? :D

3. Highly unlikely, but in this event a fight would probably be unavoidable...


Heres what I would do:

1 - I'd block the punch, then punch them hard in the elbow pit. Then put them in a headlock for a while, then trip them over and run away.

2- I'd run around a corner and make them chase me. As they turned the corner I would kick them in the ribs before they could hit me.

3 - Bash the person coming towards me, then go near the person holding the girlfriend as if to talk to the girlfriend, then give the person a hard sucker punch (bad I know, but In that situation its justified)

Lets hear what you would do, and feel free to add your own scenarios.

1- No you wouldn´t...

2- Ever thought that the attacker might not be so dumb as to walk directly around the corner...

3- Again, you probably wouldn´t

:eek:

Nomadwanders
06-Jul-2005, 12:29 AM
1. You throwin' a punch at me??? You throwin' a punch at me??? (Best De Niro impression :bang:
Take him down fast.

2. Take out my big stick and show him I know how to use it better than he does... and yes, it is usually with me.

3. Depends on exact scenario... distancing, how threatening person holding her is, etc. At least he has his hands tied up, so is NOT an immediate threat to me... take out the other guy first (unless first guy is armed... then think fast).

clemsontkd
06-Jul-2005, 01:30 AM
1. "aw dude you just messed up bad..."
2. run like heck
3. ...i have a girlfriend? you got the wrong person

Wax
06-Jul-2005, 03:17 AM
1. Move straight in and show them the error of thier attack.

2. Run till he stops chasing or I find a bigger stick.

3. I'd stand back and enjoy the show. My girl has been doing kung-fu for more than a couple of years so they'd need a weapon to subdue her for long.

tellner
06-Jul-2005, 04:45 AM
Hi. I have made up some scenarios. basically, you just say what you would do in that event. Seems simple to me.

1. Someone is being mouthy and threatening. After trying to back avoid a fight, they throw a punch............

2. Someone attacks you with a big stick...................

3. 2 people have grabbed your girlfriend and are threatening to hurt her. After pleading with them, one comes and tries to beat you up.....



When one of my training buddies is asked this kind of thing he answers in his best Good Ol' Boy Southern accent "Well, there's a lot of things I could do, but I don't rightly know what I would do. The only way we can figure it out is to try it and see what happens."

So much depends on the situation, the people involved, their capabilities, my capabilities, the weather, cosmic rays, ground loops...

Just at a first guess, though

1) Enter, closing the attack down. Take him down as quickly as I can. The level of enthusiasm I use depends on how threatened I feel.

2) If I'm far enough away to get up a good head of steam, and they don't have some reason to really want to mess me up, then I'd run very quickly.

If that's not an option use proper appreciation of distance and time to get inside the stick's reach and plant him just as hard as I can.

If it's I think he could really do some damage and I have enough distance and the concealed carry laws are in my favor I'd draw, present, and either shoot or do the standard LFI-1 bit : "Don't move! Drop the weapon! Hands up! All the way up!" etc.

3) Now this one is really scary. When my wife finds out that I have a girlfriend she's going to do worse things to me than any pair of thugs could dream of :rolleyes:

If it's my wife, well then, I'd let her take the first one apart while I dealt with the second as efficiently as possible. We already have a planned practiced response to 2-on-2 attacks. If it looked like scumbag #2 was dangerous enough to be giving her real problems I'd assume I or another innocent person was in immediate danger of death or serious bodily injury and act accordingly. (See the third part of my response to question #2).

Actually, I'd probably pile in before the "pleading" part. If two guys lay hands on my wife they've just crossed the "death or serious bodily injury" Rubicon. Two grown men can kill even a strong woman pretty quickly, so I'd stop them as quickly as possible without hesitating a moment. In a situation like that every tenth of a second counts.

tellner
06-Jul-2005, 04:54 AM
Just for instance, my response is going to be a lot different depending on my medical condition.

If the doctors have decided to try chemo or have taken me off thyroid replacement, then I know I'm going to be weak, slow and have no endurance and very little ability to soak up punches. The gun would be much more likely to come out because of the disparity of force.

Brunstick
06-Jul-2005, 06:17 AM
for situation number 2, a few questions arise. does the guy/girl know fma's? am i armed/unarmed? if i'm armed, what weapon do i have? are there any witnesses?

if he knows fma's, and i'm unarmed, i'm running away! as in i'm gonna hike up my skirt (figuratively speaking) and run far far far away!

if we're both armed with big sticks :rolleyes: , i might actually stand my ground and spar a little. i'd have to put on my WEKAF helmet first though. :p

if i'm armed with a knife, i'm gonna toss it at him and run away if my knife misses.

if i'm armed with a gun, i'mma shoot him (duh!).

-nico-

Sonshu
06-Jul-2005, 08:14 AM
Hi. I have made up some scenarios. basically, you just say what you would do in that event. Seems simple to me.

1. Someone is being mouthy and threatening. After trying to back avoid a fight, they throw a punch............

2. Someone attacks you with a big stick...................

3. 2 people have grabbed your girlfriend and are threatening to hurt her. After pleading with them, one comes and tries to beat you up.....

Heres what I would do:

1 - I'd block the punch, then punch them hard in the elbow pit. Then put them in a headlock for a while, then trip them over and run away.

2- I'd run around a corner and make them chase me. As they turned the corner I would kick them in the ribs before they could hit me.

3 - Bash the person coming towards me, then go near the person holding the girlfriend as if to talk to the girlfriend, then give the person a hard sucker punch (bad I know, but In that situation its justified)

Lets hear what you would do, and feel free to add your own scenarios.

1) Provided I am still with it - let battle commence

2) Try to grab and arm or the stick then kick them a lot until I they let go - I then have stick

3) Option A Tell my other half to go dead weight (she knows what this means) it should or could by me a few seconds whilst he tries to hold her up (she knows to cover up at this point as well). I then open up on said guy like never before.

Option B on this - if I think they can be intimidated (above makes me think they cant) then tell him if they back off and leave us go I will give them the cash I have on me and not report anything (I will gladly do this to protect loved one). If there is no ageement on this I will tell them if this goes down they will HAVE to kill me (emphasise I am bordering on psycho now) and tell them when I am done with them I will kill there family as no court trial for them it ends here) they now stand to lose themselves and also the possibility of repocussions on their own family (in hope that is ends there and they think it through, telling them I am a MA fighter and instructor, there now messing with my family)

Then if they dont let it go I go to option A now.

Petie D
06-Jul-2005, 03:47 PM
situation 1. okay heres what I would do, step by step

step 1; Jump up

step 2; put the hardcore smackdown onto the bad-man!


situation 2.

Scream GUUYYVEERRRRRR!!! and punch him in the face, (secretly wait and see if anything happens), then clinch him and keep kneeing till his organs are either smooth and creamy or light and fluffy.

then let him fall to the floor and say 'ha! now you are sandwich filler!'


situation 3.

first I would smile, a big warm loving smile from deep deep down inside, because I'm really gonna get some loving tonight :)

then I would attack the bad-man whos holding my WOMAN!!

duel Wielding Bread knives +1, I would carve up the measly enemies and gain 1000xp! yes!

then I would level up and put all my skill points on making luuuve. till I am grandmaster, yeah :D


oh yeah also this!!

Self Defense Tips (http://www.kungfufightingtips.com/ebook/autosd-ebook.htm)

ScorpionH
06-Jul-2005, 05:22 PM
I think that if the guy is coming towards you menacingly he'll mos likely want to intimidate you by putting his hands up. This is when I personaly would snap my forward leg onto his groin area or lower stomach... And of course I would run after :) lol

Socrastein
07-Jul-2005, 11:29 AM
1. Beat him bloody.
2. Take one shot and make him wish that it had killed me. After that I'm all over him. I fight with big sticks for fun, after a couple years I can take a full power shot and keep driving in. I'm assuming we're not talking lead pipes though...
3. Probably kill them if nobody stopped me. Harming women I care about = the most effective way to unleash the psycho-killer within me.

I hope 3 never happens. I'm not even kidding when I say I would probably beat one or both of them to death before I ever regained control of myself. I'm talking about grabbing their hair and beating their face into the pavement.

Judderman
08-Jul-2005, 01:06 PM
1. Someone is being mouthy and threatening. After trying to back avoid a fight, they throw a punch............Block, slip or evade. Close in. End matter. Punish self for not being aware enough to spot this, or good enough to talk your way out of a fight.

2. Someone attacks you with a big stick...................Block, slip or evade. Close in. End matter. (ok perhaps not block :D). Punish self for not being aware enough to spot this, or good enough to talk your way out of a fight.

3. 2 people have grabbed your girlfriend and are threatening to hurt her. After pleading with them, one comes and tries to beat you up.....
block, slip or evade. Close in. End matter (but with a touch more brutality ~ there are two of them). Punish self for not being aware enough to spot this, or good enough to talk your way out of a fight.

On a side note a possible trick to use in scenario 3 is extreme aggession. If its possible end the first encounter as quickly and brutaly as possible. Turn this into a serious ammount of verbal towards the next attacker. Any threat of "Back off or I'll hurt her" should be met with "Do it and 1/2 a second later I'm going to kill you", embelish with suitable expletives. I don't imagine for one second your dearly beloved will thank you for this, but it might just save her.

Just a thought....

ThaiBxr
08-Jul-2005, 09:14 PM
I bet if you just took off your shirt, then dropped your pants, put your hands behind your head and started screaming, bring the hurt, i've been such a bad slave, there's at least a 10% percent chance they'd be weirded out and leave you be.

nForce
08-Jul-2005, 10:55 PM
lol

1. not sure but an option would be to parry the punch and the land a sharp quick elbow

2. run or get in close

3. not sure, what can you do??

ratman
10-Jul-2005, 07:28 PM
haha, this is soo funny http://www.m90.org/view_image.php?image_id=3269

Sonshu
11-Jul-2005, 08:17 AM
I do wonder almost (just a bit) if this was staged. I mean what are the chances of you having a guy with a hulk hogan T-shirt (easy to tear off) and someone up in a flat with a video camera running to catch it all.

Maybe I am a bit sceptic. I do wonder about it though.

Slindsay
11-Jul-2005, 02:03 PM
1. Kill them

2. Kill them

3. Kill them

It's versatile and applicable to many situations.

CobraKai
11-Jul-2005, 02:21 PM
I am a peaceful person, but here goes:

1) i would pak and punch his oncoming attack and then proceed to chain punch, elbow him in oblivion.

2) Cant be dealing with running, i would walk slowly towards him to force an attack, and as he swung i would try to close in once the bat has past me and then palm strike him across the chin, followed by leaving my hand under his chin, placing the other on his crown and twist as violentley as possible, gonna get in a lot of trouble for it, but hey, im a small guy and he has a bat? What else am i to do? He may be able to out run me.

3) If i was ever in this situation i would beat the attcker and make such a mess of him that they would release my girl, if they didnt, i would try and find a bottle/A fence which i can create a Melle weaponed out of and show them the wrath of a menace.

TheCount
11-Jul-2005, 04:49 PM
1. Kill them

2. Kill them

3. Kill them

It's versatile and applicable to many situations.

Yeh that just about sums it up

Developing
11-Jul-2005, 05:36 PM
Even though I practice self defense scenarios as part of my training I don't think it is really realistic to say what you would do in a situation until your actually in it. Even if you have been in 20 steetfights the 21st one might be on a night that isn't your night. Now that doesn't mean you should be unwilling to defend yourself or someone you care about just that I don't think you can say how you'll react (meaning what technique you will definetly use) but you can only say that you will react.
I 'll mention scenario number one to prove a point. Someone throws a punch. Well quite naturally my hands go up whenever I feel threatened so I would already be in a defensive position. Would I block and than attack, slip the punch and attack the ribs or kidneys and then go back upstairs to damage the neck or clavicle area or would I step back and avoid the puch and then take his legs from him. I have no idea. If I get caught which is certainly a possiblity than I have a split second to recover maybe I have to grab him to maintain myself. I was once sparring one of my dojo brothers and he caught me with a swift knee to the stomach. I'm not going to lie when I got caught I hit mat and started sucking wind and coughing and was unable to continue for 10min. My instructor told me in actual situation I might have to grab on to my opponnent try to disrupt him with something while I recover. I know some might says that you should go into some joint lock or grappling move but that's kinda of hard to do when you can't breathe. I have been in a fight before which is I personally don't feel I can predict what I will definetly do. I can only say that I will do something.

Slindsay
11-Jul-2005, 05:41 PM
Stab them in the eye with a fork. It's classy, effective and funny.

Developing
11-Jul-2005, 05:43 PM
1- I'd floor him

2- I'd run like a girl (a really fast girl)

3- I'd put them down hard.

"Everyone has a plan til you punch them in the mouth"

planning out what you would do in a scenario is kind of silly.
I was just about to add that I think Mike Tyson had a quote that said "everyone has a plan then they get hit."
Then I noticed this post, Hisatsu the Thai Boxer I thinked summed it up after #3 but don't take this the wrong way Holocaust I liked your post. Although I may not always agree with everything that is said on the various forums I like when someone posts something that makes me think.

Developing
11-Jul-2005, 05:47 PM
Stab them in the eye with a fork. It's classy, effective and funny.
Interesting I envisioned my car keys but I suppose if I had been eating and a fork handy that would be good to. lol.

AgamemnonXVI
12-Jul-2005, 03:45 PM
Hi. I have made up some scenarios. basically, you just say what you would do in that event. Seems simple to me.

1. Someone is being mouthy and threatening. After trying to back avoid a fight, they throw a punch............

2. Someone attacks you with a big stick...................

3. 2 people have grabbed your girlfriend and are threatening to hurt her. After pleading with them, one comes and tries to beat you up.....

Heres what I would do:

1 - I'd block the punch, then punch them hard in the elbow pit. Then put them in a headlock for a while, then trip them over and run away.

2- I'd run around a corner and make them chase me. As they turned the corner I would kick them in the ribs before they could hit me.

3 - Bash the person coming towards me, then go near the person holding the girlfriend as if to talk to the girlfriend, then give the person a hard sucker punch (bad I know, but In that situation its justified)

Lets hear what you would do, and feel free to add your own scenarios.

1. Shoot them
2. Shoot them
3.Don't know

TheCount
13-Jul-2005, 09:17 PM
Id roll abount the gorund like an uber elite KiChaun Bumrubbish artist and super kick them all completely uselessly until they were so confused at the utter kripe i was performing they left

snake_plisskin
14-Jul-2005, 04:15 AM
Did Agamemnon actually say "shoot" them? Aw, good grief.
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That being said, I suppose I'd throw my hands up into the air, and move with the strike which was actually an elbow into the person's throat/face. After the initial hit to the throat I'd ram my knee into his forward inner thigh, while punching his bicep with everything I've got, followed by whatever sloppy, adrenaline-induced nightmare of a strike to his throat I could get--preferably collapsing his trachea or smashing the carotid artery, but more likely, in the tunnel vision we (mostly) all get in super-stress situations, just bashing his general neck area/jaw/ear/face.

I was actually in a situation that didn't involve the threatening. The person in front of me was walking out, and I was right behind, and as we hit the doorway, spun around and WHAM! fired off a spinning right cross to my face. Whump! I didn't have any room to maneuver in the tiny hallway (think his knuckles scraped the wallpaper), and just smacked my left arm up and out while kind of ducking. All the power behind his strike actually made my body kind of shake! And guess what? His arm hung in mid-air, braced against my forearm, as a second hit came in from the opposite side. WHAM! I kind of moved, and blocked THAT hit and it, too, shook me--the hitting into the crook of the elbow thing really DOES work, by the way, but I did it with my arms at like a 45 degree forward angle, not straight up and down--otherwise, if my forearms didn't block his forearms, he'd probably have hooked right around them and clocked me in the side of the head. ANYWAY, it was whump! whump! and then WHUMP--he fired off a knee to my leg/groin. Well, by a miracle, I spun sideways and just SLAMMED my knee into the side of his knee, and guess what?

In probably the drunken miracle of the world, he dropped, I mean, just dropped to the ground like a sniper'd shot him in the head, went down like a rag doll clutching his knee, screaming at me how I was an s.o.b., and worse.

Oh, did I mention, the person who did this was my best friend, and he was drunk off more vodka than in all of St. Petersburg? And that he was being violent because we wouldn't let him drive home in his Jeep? It wasn't the first, nor would it be the last time, I'd actually had to "practice" my whoo-dad on my drunken friend in an attempt to wrest his car keys from him. Anyway, I agree that a "block" is a baaaaaaad choice--my blocks weren't really like, blocks, more like pushing my arms out to meet his half way with lots of energy--they weren't strikes, either, as I had no intention of actually hurting him.

In the confined space, and confronted by my friend--who has "issues", so to speak--it was what presented itself.

Scenario #2? Hmmmm...run from crazy psychos, I'm with everyone on that. However, the problem happens when the crazy psycho brought his running shoes, and you're wearing wing tips. Anyway, above all things, I'd step into him, and put as little distance as I could between us. Why the hell would I want to take the full brunt of the impact with a stick/bat/etc.?

Get in there, and start playing Insane Soccer Riot on his face with repeated head butts while bulldogging the weapon and punching, grabbing, jabbing, elbowing, kneeing, and stomping him, being sure to hit his arms as much as possible. After all, he's got one or both hands clutching a stick. Wail on him--his floating ribs, his legs, his face, throat, anything! Any locks or throws will have to wait until he's stunned or distracted, or his meds kick in.

#3? Hmmmm...well, let's see. I'd stab them in the eye with a SPORK!! heh heh heh

--Snake

Brunstick
14-Jul-2005, 05:33 AM
#3? Hmmmm...well, let's see. I'd stab them in the eye with a SPORK!! heh heh heh

--Snake

a spork is useful against eyes! you can either stab, or scoop the eye out! lol!

-nico-

soon
18-Jul-2005, 01:11 AM
Did you ever seen that film about that kid who goes and learns off that karate master from Okinowa? That hardcore crane kick thing man.... that, like, totally saved that kids butt n'all. I'd, like, totally do that man. Bust 'em up good AND look totally sweet at the same time!!! Ooooooooo....wahhhhhhhh!!!


:D :D :D :D :D

Albert
03-Aug-2005, 07:28 AM
1. Someone is being mouthy and threatening. After trying to back avoid a fight, they throw a punch............

2. Someone attacks you with a big stick...................

3. 2 people have grabbed your girlfriend and are threatening to hurt her. After pleading with them, one comes and tries to beat you up.....



1. Id turn into the incredible hulk, tear off my shirt, and yell 'HULK SMASH' while beating the man with my massive fists.

2. Id pull a chainsaw out from under my shirt, and his stick would become frightened, and droop like a noodle

3. Ok, the first two are stupid, but hey like ikken said your all talk till your actually there.. but for number 3, regardless, if this happened the two men would be leaving in body bags. :woo:

CraigLeeJKD
03-Aug-2005, 08:46 AM
Hi. I have made up some scenarios. basically, you just say what you would do in that event. Seems simple to me.

1. Someone is being mouthy and threatening. After trying to back avoid a fight, they throw a punch............

2. Someone attacks you with a big stick...................

3. 2 people have grabbed your girlfriend and are threatening to hurt her. After pleading with them, one comes and tries to beat you up.....



Hmm well this is purely theoretical based on how deeply rotted my training is and based on my opponents speed, reactions etc etc.

1. If they threw a jab or a cross I would parry it and then step in with the elbow to the face, the maybe a kick to the back of the legs to take them down. If they threw a hook I would cover and step in with the elbow. I like my elbows!

2. Hmm, well most people (martial arts trained or not) tend to go for the angle 1 or swing at the head. I would step in to intercept it, sending my palm into their face, whilst snaking their arm with my arm, shifting their arm in a circular motion causing the stick to drop. I could then proceed with some knees to the mid-section and maybe another elbow to finish up.

3. Wait for the right moment to intercept whatever punch he throws and then destroy his face lol. If the other guy hadnt let go of my girl I'd pick up the big stick from the guy I knocked out in number 2, and with lightning fast speed.....throw it at him :) Obviously it would hit his face and he would be sprawled out on the floor, totally incapacitated. My girl would then be free to come home with me and reward me for my efforts :D

Ok so I trailed off a bit before the end but I am sitting here thinking, you can't really be even theoretical about this stuff because there are loads of different factors to consider. This is why we take classes :)

kenpoguy
05-Aug-2005, 02:57 AM
1. There are any # of things that could be done
2. Personally, I would stay and fight depending on the number of people there and the object. If it was one person with a steel pipe and hes with a group of people, id not want to be there. Yet if it was just a stick someone picked up any number of things can be done. Its all about what your comfotable with doing. Although not advisible in the proper given situation, the defender can actually literally break the stick in half and go from there. But then again, its not always a small stick :P And this does work, even though its most often seen in the movies :D Smartest thing to do if you are forced to stay and fight someone with a stick or club though, and have no expereince is BE PREPARED TO BLOCK if he comes swinging. Having a shirt of something to wrap around your arm is usually a great idea, as it will absorb much of the impact. This goes for all 3, sometimes in a street fight, removing a shirt is both a good and a bad idea. Its good, because although minor, its better than having no protection. Bad, if it gets wrapped over your head and you cant see. In almost every clip ive seen of streetfights this is the most common thing that happens. Personally, i've never been in that situation in an actual fight, but thats because i never gave them the chance to get into the proper position.
3. The main thing is getting your girlfriend out of there. This is the most risky part, as not every thug is "all right" in the head, if you can even begin to call a thug right at all. THere is no telling what may be done to her if she stays too close.

Fighter4Higher
05-Aug-2005, 05:37 AM
as not every thug is "all right" in the head, if you can even begin to call a thug right at all. THere is no telling what may be done to her if she stays too close.

I am EXTREMELY offended by that statement. :woo:

kenpoguy
05-Aug-2005, 05:43 AM
my apologies for any offenses given :D :woo:

Fighter4Higher
05-Aug-2005, 06:26 AM
No problem. Thugs are people too ya know. (LOL)

dtrip
05-Aug-2005, 06:32 AM
In fact the girlfriend scenario has been my fear all my life, because
you cant run. This is what pisses me off in some women, that some
punk says "nice t..s baby" and they stop, turn back and retort.

So then it becomes an issue and you have no choice but to fight,
because 1) The guy openly calls her names, so you cant pretend
you didnt hear him and 2) You cant run away.

Ive been in two similar cases, took a beating both times.

All this oriental wisdom about "no fight", but as soon as woman comes
into the picture all hell breaks loose. Arent they something :D

Fighter4Higher
05-Aug-2005, 06:56 AM
I've said it once, I'll say it now, and I'll probably say it again if i'm not killed first.... Women are nothing but trouble.

kenpoguy
05-Aug-2005, 08:09 AM
grrr...sad but true...women distract from training and are nothing but trouble...

hux
05-Aug-2005, 12:53 PM
I've said it once, I'll say it now, and I'll probably say it again if i'm not killed first.... Women are nothing but trouble.

yikes.

1. Cry like a girl

2. Cry like a schoolgirl

3.Cry like a schoolgirl who's just had her heart broken.

I guess I'm in deep doo doo should something like this ever happen to me.

:D

Kali-Raven
05-Aug-2005, 09:57 PM
1 open a big can of whup ass!!!

2 there playin my game now !!

3 Make them wish they had "BIG" sticks!!! lol

Topher
05-Aug-2005, 10:21 PM
I would react accordingly.

To be honest, i dont know what i would actually do untill i'm actually there in the situation.

It all good saying this and that but the situation will dictate your actions. Are you outside or inside? Day time or night time? Are you on your own? Are they on their own? Can your surroundings help you? Is the attack a surprise or do you anticipate it?

There's far too many variables to say i would jab his left eye, then stamp on his little toe, then pressure point his arm pit.... :rolleyes:

Britzy
06-Aug-2005, 05:27 PM
I would react accordingly.

To be honest, i dont know what i would actually do untill i'm actually there in the situation.

It all good saying this and that but the situation will dictate your actions. Are you outside or inside? Day time or night time? Are you on your own? Are they on their own? Can your surroundings help you? Is the attack a surprise or do you anticipate it?

There's far too many variables to say i would jab his left eye, then stamp on his little toe, then pressure point his arm pit.... :rolleyes:

agreed

karate P.belt 2
06-Aug-2005, 06:49 PM
1. block him and lock his wrists up till he gives up (personal experiance)
2. I'd try to run but if I can't do that I fight till they can't do anything to me or give up
3. pull my girlfriend away from the guy (hurting her if needed cause I think she would rather be hurt by me than whatever this guys gonna do) and beat them to a bloody pulp

dark_blade15
13-Aug-2005, 05:06 AM
Sorry for posting this crappy reply but here we go.

I honestly dont know what i would do. If someone verbally abuses me and then punched me i dont know what id do. i might get super scared because of the verbal abuse and take the punch and look down to the floor almost crying saying"why u hit?? :cry: " or my reflexes might kick in and block the punch and then punch the guy back, i could also get in a rage and fight the guy or run away.

Same thing for the guy with the stick.

For the ppl holding my girlfriend i dont know what id do either. Id probably be scared shitless. If one guy is holding her and threatening to hurt her he has me pinned down. Maybe ill negotiate with them, maybe ill stay frozen with fear, maybe ill lose myself and fight them in a berserker rage.
buttom line i just dont know what i would do in those situations.