Submissions in Hapkido?

[Korpy]

Now I'm not 100 % sure, but I think that there are submissions in Hapkido. So first, am I right or wrong? Also if they do do they focus on any certain area of the body?

Secondly if there is submissions, at what belt/belts do you learn it at. (but I know each school is different)

PS: Is there also groundfighting, cause I know there are throws and locks.

[MarcoPolo]

I'll take a swipe at this one. By submissions I would think you are speaking of
MMA/BJJ type submissions? As a BJJ Blue Belt I can say that some are similiar, some different. There ARE subs in Hapkido. They will focus more on the wrist and standing submissions (i.e. standing armbar). Many of the Sport BJJ subs aren't there (i.e. Omaplata, Triangle, etc.) unless they are added-on. (Again, there seems to me to be a wide range of techniques based on the HKD style.)

Interestingly, Hapkido will look VERY MUCH like Defessa Pesoao (Personal Defense) which is still taught by many BJJ instructors.

I started learning "submission" i.e. jointlocks and compliance techniques in my first HKD class. (Which may differ by school and based on age.. I'm an old fart.)
As for grappling, there isn't a focus on it. The thought is, put your *opponent* on the ground (throw, locks) and keep yourself in control and standing.

Hope this helps! Happy Training!

[Korpy]

It actually does help.

What are the submissions learned in Hapkido, also at what belt do you start learning them?

[HapkidoScott]

there are many submissions both on the ground and standing and we start learning them early on as I haven't been at it very long. you probably won't be learning any BJJ type submissions as MarcoPolo said that is more of a sport aspect whereas HKD is self defense. You should probably talk to your instructor and ask as many questions as you want mine never have a problem with any of my questions. Train hard.

[Korpy]

Good to hear. :)

[American HKD]

It actually does help.

What are the submissions learned in Hapkido, also at what belt do you start learning them?


Greetings

Good questions here, as some already HKD doesn't have submissions per se
as in BJJ.

Any of our many locks can either be a controls like an arresting type tech., or a break dislocation etc. as in alot of JJ styles.

Submission is (bassically a sport term) used in conjuction with someone giving up in a match.

HKD does not use the term in our system, a arresting/control/escorting tech. is a submission in a sense but not in the sport sense.

[Korpy]

Greetings

Good questions here, as some already HKD doesn't have submissions per se
as in BJJ.

Any of our many locks can either be a controls like an arresting type tech., or a break dislocation etc. as in alot of JJ styles.

Submission is (bassically a sport term) used in conjuction with someone giving up in a match.

HKD does not use the term in our system, a arresting/control/escorting tech. is a submission in a sense but not in the sport sense.

That was actually a more clearer version, thank you American HKD. :)

As Hapkido came from Jujutsu, I would imagine that they would have arresting, joint locks like that.

[dngrruss]

Korpy,
My opinion differs from American HKD (not the first time :D ) with regards to submissions.

While I do agree that BJJ and other grappling sports use submissions to finish a match, the idea of submissios is to make the opponent submit , or surrender to you.

While training, this submission is typified by tapping-out. Tapping is done as a safety measure for the recipient of the lock or choke so that the initiator knows tat it is being effective and can stop the technique before causing further pain or injury. In combat, the initiator of the lock has the option of allowing his opponent to surrender (not always wise, though with experience it is a viable option), or continuing the pain hold further.

Breaking the joint/bone is an option taken situation by situation and can have serious legal reprocussions if not justified.

To say that the word "submission" does not even enter the lexicon of terms in HKD is, IMHO, an argument of semantics and a little nit-picking.

For what it's worth, I have noticed that for a beginner, you pose a lot of good questions and are extremely eager. That is great. Keep up the good work and absorb everything you can. Your success in HKD is mostly from the neck up and you are on the right road.

[Korpy]

Korpy,
My opinion differs from American HKD (not the first time :D ) with regards to submissions.

While I do agree that BJJ and other grappling sports use submissions to finish a match, the idea of submissios is to make the opponent submit , or surrender to you.

While training, this submission is typified by tapping-out. Tapping is done as a safety measure for the recipient of the lock or choke so that the initiator knows tat it is being effective and can stop the technique before causing further pain or injury. In combat, the initiator of the lock has the option of allowing his opponent to surrender (not always wise, though with experience it is a viable option), or continuing the pain hold further.

Breaking the joint/bone is an option taken situation by situation and can have serious legal reprocussions if not justified.

To say that the word "submission" does not even enter the lexicon of terms in HKD is, IMHO, an argument of semantics and a little nit-picking.

For what it's worth, I have noticed that for a beginner, you pose a lot of good questions and are extremely eager. That is great. Keep up the good work and absorb everything you can. Your success in HKD is mostly from the neck up and you are on the right road.


Thank you for sharring your opinion. :)

I just call it submissions because, it easy to call it that.

Breaking bones is never the first option, of course. You want to make them feel as much pain as possible though.

Also thank you for the compliment. I get nice things like that from people, but it's always good to hear it again, makes me feel proud. :)

P.S: Cool story is that at my school, nobody under 16 can learn Hapkido, because of the mental parts, and the maturity. They said I was so mature, willing, and eager that they would accept me at 14, and I took that oppurtunity.

[dngrruss]

Congratulations. Make us all proud. :D

[Korpy]

Congratulations. Make us all proud. :D

I shall. :D

[American HKD]

Korpy,
My opinion differs from American HKD (not the first time :D ) with regards to submissions.

While I do agree that BJJ and other grappling sports use submissions to finish a match, the idea of submissios is to make the opponent submit , or surrender to you.

While training, this submission is typified by tapping-out. Tapping is done as a safety measure for the recipient of the lock or choke so that the initiator knows tat it is being effective and can stop the technique before causing further pain or injury. In combat, the initiator of the lock has the option of allowing his opponent to surrender (not always wise, though with experience it is a viable option), or continuing the pain hold further.

Breaking the joint/bone is an option taken situation by situation and can have serious legal reprocussions if not justified.

To say that the word "submission" does not even enter the lexicon of terms in HKD is, IMHO, an argument of semantics and a little nit-picking.

For what it's worth, I have noticed that for a beginner, you pose a lot of good questions and are extremely eager. That is great. Keep up the good work and absorb everything you can. Your success in HKD is mostly from the neck up and you are on the right road.


I think we're on the same page in this case, maybe worded a bit different;y

[Korpy]

Well it's good, both you are right.