Bukujitsu, Real or Myth? Give me some info. please...

[PanZer Jester]

Is bukujitsu a myth, or is it real?:confused: I have been told it is one of those things that is told as a myth but can actually be done. Like most things, I do believe it's possible that it is real, and I also keep my mind open to the fact that it may not be real... Any input at all? If you do believe its possible, could you give me a few tips or some type of reference on it, because I can't find a darn thing...:( Any and all feedback is apriciated.

[Saz]

Without trying to sound really ignorant, what is bukujitsu? I've not heard of it before, could you elaborate a little more?

Sarah

[PanZer Jester]

Hmmmmm... I guess you're right, that was alittle vague... lol. Bukujitsu is a technique used by a few asian people, as far as I know mainly only monks truly know of this... I'm not exactly sure what it is but in general it is a way of lowering that gravitational pull on you using Chi, or some other way of jumping higher and/or farther than normal.

[PanZer Jester]

Originally posted by PanZer Jester
but in general it is a way of lowering that gravitational

I'm sorry, I made a small typo... a way of lowering the gravitational...

[Melanie]

Hiya Panzer,

You can edit your posts if your unhappy with anything by hitting the edit key on your post. Naturally you can only do this to your own posts :)

You have asked a lot of questions about Chi. If you have read through the thread called the power of Chi you may have noticed its a reasonably controversial subject. Its each to his own I feel on this topic. But like everything on this forum, discussion and theory can only take you so far. Good, hard and honest training with a as equally good Instructor will show you how effective each technique can be. Good luck with your training!

[Andrew Green]

No offence, but I think you've seen one two many Kung Fu movies ;)

[LilBunnyRabbit]

The 'powers' that occur in many asian legends are similar to ours of Superman. And no, there's no way to lower the pull of gravity. If there was then we'd probably be pouring funding into Chi research and developing martial artist powered planes, shuttles, etc.

[hongkongfuey]

But the world is only a figment of my tortured imagination. I'm afraid none of you really exist.

Sorry to be the bringer of such bad news ....

[Pablo]

"...If there was then we'd probably be pouring funding into Chi research and developing martial artist powered planes, shuttles, etc..."


During and after the Cold War, the US and Soviet (and Chinese) governments did pour money into researching Qi and other paranormal phenomena. Useful results so far = 0.

This doesn't disprove Qi, but it does make it highly unlikely that there are any easy to achieve 'superpowers'.

paul

[Cooler]

How to answer this? I would imagine most martial artists have experienced something along these lines at least once in there training. What I think PanZer Jester is getting at is the feeling of being lighter than air, not the ability to leap tall buildings. How many of you have had one of those days when your training is going well and when you are sparring you feel light as air, fast and untouchable, you seem to have endless energy?

A good friend of mine who teaches tai jutsu demonstrates a technique where he gets two people to lift him of the ground after which he lowers his center of gravity and gets the same two people to lift him again this time they can't. The same technique is used in reverse to raise your centre of gravity which in turn makes you lighter, as I said this does not mean you can jump tall buildings it just gives you the feeling of being light as air and having unlimited energy.

This is my experience of what PanZer Jester is talking about, it could be totally wrong but hey we are here to learn.

Cooler

[Freeform]

Isn't this just the correct application of body mechanics? You can make yourself 'seem' heavier but I don't believe you can make yourself actually heavier/lighter.

Thanx

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Actually most people can do the lift off the ground, then not able to thing. No one's quite sure why, but if you let them lift you to start with and then set your body down and root yourself they can't.

[PanZer Jester]

Some of you are talking about Chi in general, I am currently training myself with Chi, and have had satisfactory results... The other day (my fifth day in training), I had opened my third eye completely and created about 3 energy balls in a row. The last 2 were stronger than I imagined I could do at the time, both of them I could see with my untrained eyes (I'm assuming my third eye helped with that though). They contained so much energy that because I forgot to bring extra Chi in, or bring the energy balls back into me I burned out (not fun at all). All of this was on my fifth day, so I'm not exactly wanting advice on Chi it's self. And Cooler, I don't mean just feeling lighter, but I don't mean jumping tall buildings either. This is what I have gathered about it:
Some one with out using their Chi to help them jump will jump about average. But, when Chi is applied they can have the ability to jump twice the hight of a full grown man (I have seen this done, believe it or not...). They also can be able to jump farther than normal. The reason why not many people at all know about this, is the monks that were able to do this kept it a secret; so almost no one besides the monks knew about this, and those that did were sworn to secrecy. This was true for most abillities that Chi can give you, 'till just lately. Again this is what I have gathered about it so I'm not sure what is true and what isn't...

Originally posted by Andrew Green
No offence, but I think you've seen one two many Kung Fu movies ;)
lol... Just to clear things up, I have only seen one Kung Fu movie/show that uses Bukujistu. I ran into this technique one day while looking for tips for my training, but it didn't show too much about it so I was wanting more information on Bukujitsu.

Originally posted by ckdstudent
And no, there's no way to lower the pull of gravity.

but if you let them lift you to start with and then set your body down and root yourself they can't.
It is my belief that gravity is the Earth's Chi has the oposite charge as people, objects, animals and plants, known as Yang (though they do have some Chi of the same charge of the Earth, known as Yin). Well we all know that oposite charges attract I'm sure... so the Earth is pulling us towards it because of the charge of it's Chi. I believe that you can manipulate the charge of your Chi. If you manipulate the charge of some of your Yang Chi(your body cannot live with out a sertain ammount of Yang Chi) then your body's Chi will be closer to the same charge of the Earth, making the pull of "gravity" less, for you, enabling you to jump higher. Or if you manipulate some of your Yin Chi then your charge will be farther from the Earth's raising the pull of "gravity" for you, this is rooting. I believe what I say about Chi having different charges because I have proven this to myself... I have mad a Chi ball that I used one charge of Chi in one hand, and another charge in the other hand, to make the ball when I started to form the ball my hands where pulling towards each other; another ball I have made I used the same charge for both hands, and when forming the ball my hands pushed away from each other. Believe me, or not; this is your choice, but I am telling you what I have proven to myself and what I believe...

[hongkongfuey]

But, when Chi is applied they can have the ability to jump twice the hight of a full grown man (I have seen this done, believe it or not...).

I'd really love to believe this, but am a natural cynic when it comes to these things. Surely by now, if some people have abilities such as these, they would have been seen and verified by the scientific community. (there must be someone in the world with Chi powers that doesn't want to keep it secret!)

Personally, I believe Chi is a way of channelling and focusing the mind and body to take oneself to the limits of what is possible. A great athlete has this ability to shut out all pain and drive the body beyond what most of us are capable of. (anyone watching the London Marathon recently would have seen several examples of this)

Just my personal thoughts. I would love to be proved wrong on this.

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Not only seen and verified, but if they followed a good moral code they'd be superheroes.

I'd love to believe, but unfortunately I've spent too much time studying physics and having logical explanations of things put forward to believe that someone can lower their weight by sheer mental will. And before someone argues with me, your weight is your mass multiplied by the acceleration due to gravity, so changing the effective pull of gravity upon you is changing your weight.

Now, if you can show me just one experiment which inarguably demonstrates the power of Chi, I'll agree with you.

[hongkongfuey]

I think the 'lowering of weight' trick is to do with momentum. Slightly sinking as someone lifts you kills any momentum they can build up to jerk you off the ground.

A fellow physics student!

[Andrew Green]

Here is a simple test, get them to stand on a scale and do it.

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Actually that's easy to alter, stand on some scales with your arms up, then bring them down fast and hard. You'll need sensitive scales though.

[PanZer Jester]

Changing the reading of a scale can also be done by simply changing where on the scale you put your weight...

[Jack]

What I've read is that this grounding effect is not mystic. The body is 60% or more water, yes? Apparently one can relax and allow this water to sink more to the lower body, thus lowering the center of gravity of the person. Its not weight-altering but its weight-manipulation to have more weight lower down, as to not be unrooted.

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Seeing that the water is mixed in with your blood, skin and flesh this would be a neat trick.

[Freeform]

I'd love to believe this too, but I'm an engineer, and understand the physics behind alot of this stuff, I agree with HKF, chi's all about focus... oh and biomechanics.

Thanx

[STASH]

I have seen the grounding effect done with my own eyes. In fact I was one of the volounteers that tried to lift him (the guy is a Ukrainian by the name of Michal Erst). I dont see anyway that it could have been fake. I am meeting up with him in couple weeks, I'll find out how this is done, then I'll tell you guys. Oh yea, this guy does not take any martial arts and he definetly does not use Chi (or atleast he doesnt call it that), last time I talked to him he said its just biomechanics and something to do with magnetic fields.

[LilBunnyRabbit]

It's not magnetic, its simply a shifting of your body position. As far as I'm aware no one's quite sure how it works, but there's been a fair amount of research into it and they've concluded that it is purely physical, not magnetic, and that almost anyone can do it.

[hongkongfuey]

I've been suprised that there has not been more information forthcoming from Martial Artists about their Chi experiences as this is a major part of many Martial Arts.

This could be either :

1) Secrecy or unwillingness to divulge information to the sceptical 'physicists' on the forum.

2) There is no-one who has experienced anything 'out of the ordinary' with Chi. (with the exeption of Thomas Vince in the Amazing Stories thread).

I don't honestly believe that (2) is true. I personally believe that Chi is a way of unlocking the hidden potential within the human body and mind (of which we use around 10% on average).

I would be interested in hearing anyone's experiences with Chi, if they are willing to share it on this forum.

[Andy Murray]

Actually most people can do the lift off the ground, then not able to thing. No one's quite sure why, but if you let them lift you to start with and then set your body down and root yourself they can't.

The External arts have a real simple way of doing this!

Somebody tries to pick you up?

Poke em in the eye!

(of which we use around 10% on average).

Flattery will get you every where HKF;)

AndyM

[STASH]

Ok, does anyone want to tell me what these "energy balls" are. Also whats the "third eye?" Is any of this usefull?

[LilBunnyRabbit]

For energy balls think along the lines of the fireballs from streetfighter games, but not as visible, or effective, or necessarily existent depending on your beliefs. The third eye is supposed to be in the middle of your forehead I think and supposedly allows you to see chi.

[STASH]

OK, can anyone prove that this buku jitsu is real?

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Nope.

[STASH]

I'm too lazy to do a search myself, has anyone found anything on Bukujitsu? Mel, I know you got something...

[Melanie]

Ok...

I tried Altavista, Google, Ask Jeeves, Search.com, 1st Blaze (?). All I find is Anime characters....weird....sorry...I have spent an hour doing this back to work!

:)

[newbielives]

There has been heavy scientific research done on chi.
One of the medical uses created by chi is a device that mimics the sound of chi to heal.
It is currently being used in some parts of the medical community in china.

There is one trick that amazed me when i went to watch the shoalin monks live. The monks were eating red hot coal ouch!!
Being monks and all i dont they were exactly running a magic show so i believe it wasnt just an illusion. This is why i believe the mind can do incredible things such as make the body do super human feats which can't be explained by physics.

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Red hot coal trick: your mouth is wet, so long as you can put the coal in your mouth without it touching your lips and close your mouth afterwards a layer of steam is created around the coal. This protects your mouth from actual burns, allowing only moderate pain. Swallowing the coals before they cool however was a popular method of suicide in Ancient Rome.

The same principle applies with holding liquid gases in your mouth, but in reverse. The warmth of your saliva creates a layer of gas around the liquid, preventing it from freezing your tongue. However you really don't want to swallow the gas as your stomach would probably explode as it warmed up and expanded.

[Guitarboy1212]

to answer some questions.... bukujitsu is defined as the art of flying. This in no way has any connection with lowering gravity. You use your chi to fly. Chi is the life force that flows through everything. It is your energy. My people believe in energy minupulation, which is where we meet the chi ball. A chi ball is made when you focus all of your chi into one spot and form a ball. Here are some techs on how to fly (bukujitsu). One way is to focus all your energy underneath you into a disk, and float on that. Another tech is to pull yourself up with your energy, and another is to push your energy underneath you like a rocket. hope this helps. For more information on Ki munipulation go to http://ki-central.hypermart.net if that doesn't help then click on the links section on the site which has a bunch of other great sites on energy munipulation.

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Ah, what joy, another superman.

People cannot fly. If they could, don't you think it would be heard about by now, and authenticated? Its not something that's exactly difficult to test.

[Guitarboy1212]

Most people who practice Bukujitsu can't go to the full extent of flying, but very short periods of levitation.

[Freeform]

Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy, just because it has no scientific proof, no creditable witnesses and breaks the laws of physics it not justifiable proof that it can't happen.....

..... oh, wait a minute, it is isn't it! ;)

Col

[Adam]

What about levitation? That also a myth?

[YODA]

Originally posted by Adam
What about levitation? That also a myth?

Yes - or a cheap trick.

Speaking of which....

"I waaaant youuuuu to want me......"

Ahem...

Showing my age again :D

[Guitarboy1212]

Levitation is done by floating on your own chi energy, and it is real.

[Andy Murray]

Guitarboy1212,

Have you ever managed this yourself?

[Guitarboy1212]

No i haven't but i am convinced it's possible through my research. The people i know who can do it say it takes years and years of hard training to be able to do it for a short peroid of time, so it's not an easy feat to accomplish. Plus even if you can do it for a few seconds, it will be extremely exsausting on your body, and would most likely cause a burn out, and sometimes blackout, so no i can't do it, but i hope with many years of hard training I can. You can check ki sites for videos and other stuff on it.

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Actually levitation is an extremely expensive trick, which you can perform with the aid of a super-conducting electromagnet which then repels the subject away from itself with enough force to actually make them appear to levitate.

And guitar boy, if you can prove to me, beyond reasonable doubt, that you can levitate under your own power, I will give you all my worldly wealth.

[Andy Murray]

2 bags of crisps, a soiled Mars Bar and a luridly coloured Suzuki Swift Jimmy? :D

[LilBunnyRabbit]

What, you think I can afford the bags of crisps and the Mars bar?

Besides, my net worth is currently negative, so anyone who wants is welcome to all my worldly wealth, pay off my debts for me.

[ghost]

Please tell me anything you know about defying gravity. post it or send it to me in private message. thank you.

[YODA]

Originally posted by ghost
Please tell me anything you know about defying gravity. post it or send it to me in private message. thank you.


Hi Ghost and welcome to MAP.

I have this real cool bridge for sale that you may be interested in :D

[Shade]

One very good reason why Melanie found loads of anime stuff when searching the net for Bukujutsu back in May.

Anyone with kids (or maybe without :D ) will undoubtedly be familiar with Dragonball Z.

It's the name they use to describe levitation.

As to whether it is humanly possible to levitate, I personally don't know, and don't want to get into a debate about it.

[Ad McG]

String theory anyone?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html


I think chi development can definitely achieve something, but not jumping twice as high as a normal man, haha. Please.

Cynic.

[Infesticon #1]

maybe he's recruiting for NASA?

I'm pretty sure you can defy gravity if you're in space.

[Grasshopper3]

Some of you are talking about Chi in general, I am currently training myself with Chi, and have had satisfactory results... The other day (my fifth day in training), I had opened my third eye completely and created about 3 energy balls in a row....
What type of chi training are you doing that causes advancement so quickly?

[Aegis]

What type of chi training are you doing that causes advancement so quickly?
You know the guy you're replying to posted his remarks in 2002, right?

[Grasshopper3]

Well you're still here. Why can't he be?

[aikiMac]

That was a hint to let the thread rest in peace.

[Aegis]

Well you're still here. Why can't he be?
It's actually fairly simple to check if someone is still around. If you view their profile you can see when they were last on MAP. In this case:

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