Dirty Fighting

[Grifter]

Do you think 'cheap shots' exsist in a street fight??
By cheap shot im talking about hits to the groin, throat, pulling hair, biting, scratching, poking in the eye.

[KickChick]

In a streetfight??? ABSOLUTELY!!! No holds barred!!
... unless they are gentlemen:)

[Anne]

Of course there are cheap shots. Why waste time being a gentleman or lady when you could just take a cheap shot and be clear of the potentially risky situation? It gets you out of the fight, quick.

[YODA]

Strange question.

"Street Fight" is too wide a term to be able to determione what is and is not acceptable.

Are we talking about one versus three arned with knives? Or are we talking about a drunk friend taking a swing at you becasue he things you've offended his girlfriend?

In the seconds scenario do you think it's acceptrable to gouge out his eye and hit him with a brick?

[Grifter]

Good point YODA. Lets say it just some guy or guys that for whatever reason are going to fight you. Your not friends with them and never have been. They are unarmed.
And to anwser your last question I say no.

[pgm316]

Originally posted by Grifter
Do you think 'cheap shots' exsist in a street fight??
By cheap shot im talking about hits to the groin, throat, pulling hair, biting, scratching, poking in the eye.

Many people wouldn't even class them as cheap shots, hits to those areas are techniques in many styles, in a NO rules street fight how can you have legitimate or cheap shots?

[Jonny Chee]

Very true pgm316!! In Wing Chun we regularly strike for so called vulnerable points; the eyes, the throat and genitals! :eek: Yes, they would be classed as cheap shots (in anybodys book) but who cares as long as it helps you to emerge as victor from your situation. I'm sure when it comes to the crunch ANYBODY would use a cheap shot if the opportunity arose!

[si200od]

How many people would have the nerve/killer instinct to use some of the really deadly moves in their MA? When ever I got into a situation, I couldn't help but think of the consequences of my actions and always used moves to put the attacker on the floor so that I could get away. Even though I saw openings, I couldn't really hurt someone.

[Bigfoot]

Is there any other type of shot other than a cheap one?

[pgm316]

Originally posted by si200od
How many people would have the nerve/killer instinct to use some of the really deadly moves in their MA? When ever I got into a situation, I couldn't help but think of the consequences of my actions and always used moves to put the attacker on the floor so that I could get away. Even though I saw openings, I couldn't really hurt someone.

Would you have the nerve not to?

These killers techniques are often overated, you could loose against average punches trying to get you killer eye boink on target against a decent fighter bobbing and weaving! :D

[Tosh]

Originally posted by YODA
Strange question.
In the seconds scenario do you think it's acceptrable to gouge out his eye and hit him with a brick?

How about eye gouge for him and hit HER with the brick.

That way nobody's left out!

[wayofthedragon]

cheap shots in a street fight. NO. Thats all there is to it. anything goes....poking the eyes...troat, groin you name it. The objective is to take him down before he takes you down....or she
Hey....I'd say even picking up a brick or stick is fine. Anything goes in the streets....if you wanna be safe. No telling what evil plot your opponent has against you............................................... .................................................. ................
However. If you're in the fight and you are winning and confident and sure that you don't have to take it that far.....then why bother. would it be a cheap thing to do....no, not if you're trying to protect yourself and see to it that they will do you no harm.

[Fergie Boy]

Yes there are cheap shots, and I will take as many of them as I can find.

[wayofthedragon]

Ummmm....

Ya:confused:

I mean...YA.....that's exactly what I'm talkin bout:D

[Brad Ellin]

Cheap shot, to me, denotes and dirty, underhanded, illegal, backstabbin', cowardly way of fighting. If one is in a street fight, one must assume that the other person is out to kill or seriously maim you. Therefore, ANY THING GOES. There are no such things as cheap shots. Everything and anything is a legitimate target and technique. If the shot is there (eye gouge, skin tear, groin twist, etc..) take it. Who cares what anyone thinks? I'm going to be the one walking away, while my assailant is carried or crawls away. So, I'd have to say there are no cheap shots in a street fght. Only legitimate and viable targets and techniques.

[Knight_Errant]

Depends. If you're questioning whether cheap shots exist, then yes they do. If you're asking whether you should take them, then yes, depending on the situation (whether or not you wish this person to be breathing anytime soon...)

[KickChick]

What actually constitutes a "cheap shot" in a street fight is not the same as say in the ring or sparring.

A cheap shot in the ring would be getting that extra kick or knee in when you're attacker has already hit the ground?

I mean there are alot of techniques that are considered "cheap shots", but are still legal in the ring ....

... I believe we are all in agreement that anyone will fight with all that it takes whether the technique is a cheap shot or not doesn't matter.

But here is another question to ponder. Should it be allowed in your training. I mean the way you train is the way you should fight. Taking cheap shots doesn't take training or does it? Do you need to learn to kick someone in the balls or poke them in the eyes.

And do you believe that if if you don't use those 'cheap shots' in training then how will you be ready for them on the street if you're on the receiving end?...

[AkaNavy107]

In street fighting basically there's always cheap blows, street fights aren't like organized sparring in the dojo... They do whatever they can to cause as much damage as they can

[oneil357]

in a "street fight" i believe their is no such thing as a "cheap shot" , i well rounded "good" fighter will just react to the situation as it unfolds and not think to him/herself if those action are appropriate, if you have a "conscience" feel bad after the fight has been won or the consequences could be EXTREMELY PAINFUL!

"Violence can only be stopped by greater violence" Bruce LEE

[Sonshu]

But to me they are common moves and not cheap shots - if someone comes for me they will work for there money and I will do what I have to "ta save my butt!!!!"

I dont want to get filled in so if it means a groin shot can save me then all well and good, or a bite if I am pinned on the floor - hell I will ensure I win as much as I can cos they are at fauly for attacking me.

I dont just jump people for no reason - I'm nice!

[pgm316]

Cheap shot means different things to different people.

1, Shot to the eyes/groin.
2, Distracting them to get a hit in.
3, Hit them while talking.
4, Attack when there unaware of you.
5, Using a weapon.

To me it depends entirely on the situation whether or not I'd call it a cheap shot. People should get what they deserve and what you can justify the use of!

[Sonshu]

To me none are cheapshots if I am being threttend. However in the ring its different

[Wali]

It boils down to whether you let your pride get the better of you. If you decide to take a situation to a physical level, then you MUST be prepared to take it all the way, and use any means necessary to do what it takes.

The important thing is that if it does get to that, you have either failed to exhaust all other possible avenues of avoiding a fight, or the other person(s) have decided to attack you, in which case you have the God given right to defend yourself with whatever you wish. (even though the law may see it otherwise)

No man has the right to attack another, and if he does, he deserves all he gets.

I think Mr. Miyagi put it very well when he said... "Daniel Son, Karate yes, or karate no... Karate never maybe";)

[Silver_no2]

I don't think that you can have cheap shots in a street fight. Cheap shot implies the breaking of rules and doing something that you shouldn't to get an advantage unfairly. If you are in a street fight there are no rules and fair and not fair do not come into it. I would do what needed to be done to end the fight as soon as possible. I wouldn't then stamp on the guys head or anything extreme - that's when you get into trouble!

[Vincenzo]

if by me saying no means there are no cheapshots in a street fight because everything is fair game then yeah i'm gonna say nosuch thing as a cheap shot exists but the one thing i consider cowardly b.s. is people jumping in on someone else's one on one. but even there i gotta say there is no judges no bell no points just do what you gotta do to stop the attacker or if your the aggressor just keep going.

[pgm316]

Originally posted by Vincenzo
if by me saying no means there are no cheapshots in a street fight because everything is fair game then yeah i'm gonna say nosuch thing as a cheap shot exists but the one thing i consider cowardly b.s. is people jumping in on someone else's one on one. but even there i gotta say there is no judges no bell no points just do what you gotta do to stop the attacker or if your the aggressor just keep going.

probably, but it does depend on how the one on one fight started. If a friend didn't want to fight I wouldn't stand and watch em getting kicked to bits.

I still wouldn't use every dirty trick possible in every situation. You've got to be aware of the consequences. And I know its better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6 etc etc, but you must weigh these things up in every situations and already have some sort of strategy in mind that you're prepared to carry out.......

[Freeform]

THeres no such thing as a cheap shot unless there's rules, then it isn't a street fight it's called sparring!

In the seconds scenario do you think it's acceptrable to gouge out his eye and hit him with a brick?


Only if he skipped out of buying his round! That'll teach the b*@@er!

Col

[Chinesericeboy]

In street fighting there is no cheap shots since if u r very good at fighting u can easily dodge them and since u can do the same to them i dont think there is cheap shots...it might be damaging to ones pride though if u do...

[waya]

Cheap = free, and free in a fight means I don't get hit back.... The downside of this is what exactly?

If I am swung on.... I'll take whatever opening I can get and go with it, and if it's dirty, that's even better for me.

[chaozkingz]

groin kicks, shin kicks, grab the hair, grab his balls, knee on the face, hell i'll even bite the SOB or stick my finger up his a** if i have to.

i'll leave eye gouges to the last though... it makes quite a mess. trust me, i've seen it done. and yes, i will do the same thing if it was me who was in trouble.

[totality]

hmm...in very few situations would i stick my finger up someone's a**

i agree with most of you in that there are no rules in an actual fight, so you should do whatever is necessary to minimize damage to yourself. however, most fights i become involved in are somewhat more civilized, as i am still a high school student...well, that's certainly ironic, isn't it?

i live in a very small city, so weapons are rare, and no one would bite someone for fear of ruining their reputation...convenient things, those are...so in these fights, no, i don't think most of those things are acceptable. but making someone cry and promise never to hit a girl again most certainly is :)

[chaozkingz]

totality, i was in a fight when i was in high school. i still remember clearly that i kicked the guy on the shin, smacked him across his face and kneed him on the groin.

some people did say hey that's cheating, but once i got the guy down on his knees and pulled his hair back, i forced him to say sorry. the guy did, and no one else complained :D

the trick is, to make it look like u r torturing the guy and can do something really bad to him if u want to.

also, try to look really mean... it helps :D

[chaozkingz]

oops i forgot... now don't go digging your fingers into your classmates' eyeballs now....

[totality]

lol, usually i just mess with them while standing for a while, then take it to the ground, where i can use what little bjj i know to have whole bunches of fun. one favorite that comes to mind for getting the idea across with all the other childrens is the rear choke hold, which'll put 'em to sleep like a baby after a while. then for effect you walk away whistling :)

and to stay on topic, i've never poked anyone in the eyes, pulled hair, or kicked them in the groin. although if i had to, i'd probably opt for the latter.

[semphoon]

Yes there are cheap shots in streetfights.
Yes I would use them cos (if it is an unprovoked attack) you can bet that the guy who is attacking you is not thinking about whether there is a moral code between fighters not to use cheap shots.
In a street fight you do what you can so that you get up and walk away and the other guy can't. If someone started a fight with me I'd cause them as much suffering and pain as I could so that next time, when they feel like a fight, they will perhaps remember what a mess they were left in last time. Ofcourse I would prefer no confrontation at all. :)

[Kof_Andy]

I dont think there are cheap shot in a street fight. The only cheap shot in my mind would be bust the nutz.:eek:

[Tireces]

Just what the nature of the fight is should dictate your response. This is one of the big reasons why martial arts should be taught with discretion.

[ballistic]

In my eyes there is no "cheap shots" in the street only reasonable force. which we all know to be an easily distinguishble line! i cant understand people who use terms like "cheap shots" or "dirty fighting" in relation to street fighting or self protection? i guess you just have to hope that the drunk idiot in the pub or the mugger has the same code of ethics you have! lol

[chaozkingz]

code of ethics? not in my dictionary here.... :D

[tai-gip]

Yes i think using fingure strikes or breaking something is a cheap shot i think our gaol should be never to have to hurt someone....
I remember one class of wing chun i saw they where all beginers and the first move they where taught was side step paksao block while bill gee finger striking to the eyes....
All ways put me off to think that that is the trained first response to an attack wing chun is a pretty staight forward no holds barred destructive art from the start especialy when you think that they block and strike at the same time.... then do it with one arm ....... so you could put a hand through someones throut ,cave in a collar bone or ribs to pierce lung or heart and smash a knee joint all at the same time and its beginner wooden dummy moves...

[hongkongfuey]

There are no fair fights. Fight or do not fight.

[pest]

they only "cheep shots/dirty fighting" are called by your opponent when they are helpless and are in no position to fight back

[ozoneB]

Which martial art allows you to take cheap shots?
My girlfriend is always trying to kick me in the nuts, saying that that's what she learns in kickboxing class. Is she bull****ting me or are you allowed to attack your opponents groin in kickboxing?

[KickChick]

.... I'd find another "girlfriend" !!

[ozoneB]

How about you? I've never dated a blond with a brain before, this might be interessting!
-Ozone

[unexist]

Originally posted by pgm316
Cheap shot means different things to different people.

1, Shot to the eyes/groin.
2, Distracting them to get a hit in.===that could be a faint !...
3, Hit them while talking.
4, Attack when there unaware of you.
5, Using a weapon.===unless they have one too :cool:

To me it depends entirely on the situation whether or not I'd call it a cheap shot. People should get what they deserve and what you can justify the use of!

yea i agree.in a street fight there are no rules-but self preservation.if i wanna fight someone, i call up a friend and have a "gentlemen's" fight:yeleyes:

*=== ,those are me adding my comment...*

[Poop-Loops]

There are no cheap shots. We can kick eachother in the groin, the trick is, I can block his shots, but he can't block mine. ;)

PL

[fallout]

If someone attacks you for no reason, presumably in an attempt to steal from you or to make them look hard then I think you have the right to use whatever means you have to stop them from continuing their attack. Its their own fault.:woo:

[Pinyou]

Of course.....Anything goes as long as it's practical and effecient. There really is no such thing as a cheap shot in a street fight when you think about it, right? I think it's always best to be unfettered in that kind of situation because it's very hard to be real clean when your risking your life. Either ya win or ya don't, nobody scores any points for style in a street match.

[saikyou]

anything goes. kick his groin, poke his eye, then smack his head with a hotdog. :D no rulz!

[surgingshark]

Don't forget to tug on his balls...

[Albert]

In a street fight where you are attacked, anything goes, no such thing as a cheap shot. Do anything at all.

[shuyun3]

if cheap shots are allowed how can they be called cheap shots?

no such thing out there its survival. personally i'd like to win by giving the guy a wedgie!

[Gryphon Hall]

Do unto to others what you want them to do to you. -- Jesus If you do something to a bloke you wouldn't want that bloke to do to you, then it's a cheap shot. Example: you don't want your nuts crushed? Then don't crush another bloke's nuts. That would be a cheap shot.

However, if you're okay with singing falsetto, then crush away.

Doesn't mean you shouldn't use cheap shots when your survival is at stake. The essence is that you get to be good and effective enough not to use cheap shots.

Just call a cheap shot a cheap shot.

[Xianghua]

groin kicks, shin kicks, grab the hair, grab his balls, knee on the face, hell i'll even bite the SOB or stick my finger up his a** if i have to.

Hey, man! Those aren't cheep shots! Some people would pay good money for that! :D

From a woman's point of veiw, I would use those strikes in an instant against a male attacker. Including the eye gouge.

[#1 Stutta]

Hell, I'd use any cheap shot. If I kick some dude in the nuts and he falls over, I'll just keep on kicking him there once for every word I'm saying to threaten him.

"Don't (kick) ever (kick) try (kick) to (kick)etc, etc."

[Din]

in a life or death situation anything goes man. no holds barred

[Pepsi32123]

I think cheap shots are there in street fights. When two people fight, after while, one is declared the winner, the other the loser. The fight should end just as that is declared. When you see someone just trying to kill the other person, then from the point of no fighting back (admiting defeat) to the end are all cheap shots.

[WatchfulAbyss]

I think cheap shots are there in street fights. When two people fight, after while, one is declared the winner, the other the loser. The fight should end just as that is declared. When you see someone just trying to kill the other person, then from the point of no fighting back (admiting defeat) to the end are all cheap shots.

I agree but, I don't for example: A guy is trying to snatch your kid, rape your girl freind/wife, I say put him down, kick him to death, then beat his dead body with a brick until a cop pulls you off.

But just like in yoda's second scenario (post #4) it depends on the situation.
Basicly use common scence.......

But in the end, protecting ones self is all fair....

[firesprite]

Anything goes really - that is the minimum needed to end it as quickly as possible.

[Zenn Ryusaki]

When it comes to street fights, no one fights fair, heck in my local area, and there is no racism here intended, but we have the asian side of the community and the white side which is mixed in with the african and that, now the asian side hangs out in masses of group, at least thirty a gang, their brothers, sisters, cousins, friends, you name it they bring it, and then on the white side, the odd one or two hang around together, now it comes to street fights, you got thirty on two, totally unfair, so i would say that is just like a cheap shot, because the thirty of them, bite, pull, and kick where ever they can and what chance does the opponent have, even if they knew 5 arts, it aint any good against a crowbar not let alone over ten crowbars, thats why you find the community is split here in my town, street fights break out almost all the time when the two communities are in the same place

[Kagebushi]

fighting IS dirty. if youre fighting, youre already trying to hurt him, so just go ahead and hurt him.

[Glock 18]

in the street, there are no rules. i'm not saying one should actually stay and duke it out until one dies. i'm saying is that while it's no-holds barred in the street, a martial artist should try to shun a fight...gouging an eye while trying to get away..

[Tribalweapon]

I don't like the term "cheap". I prefer "effective"

[ZillaBilla]

I've been in a fight where there was 12 on 3, me and my mates were the 3. Best thing to do in that situation is to run like the wind.. or if you’re in a dead end than, find a door way and stand in it, that way no more than 2 people can attack at a time. Me and one of my mates did that, while the other one got caught outside, we got some bruises, the one outside got a concussion, broken nose and fractured vertebrate and a two week stay in a hospital. The moral of the story, buy a machine gun or practice IMA's for the next 20 years.

Was that dirty, depends how you look at it. Was it honorable to outnumber your opponents, I would not do it, unless it was a war.

[glenchuy]

Is she bull****ting me or are you allowed to attack your opponents groin in kickboxing?

no you're not allowed to do that... but maybe she's just angry at you for something you've done? ;)

[Slindsay]

Is there any other type of shot other than a cheap one?

It depends which bars you go to. I tend to go to Student bars so the answer is no.

[Slindsay]

There are things that I hope I wouldnt do in a fight like kick the other guy in the head whilst he's down and not about to get back up or keep hitting a guy after he has passed out.

Are those cheap shots? If thats what you would call them then I would say that their are such things as cheap shots and I wouldnt use them.

[Nrv4evr]

If you fight dirty, as far as my neck of the woods go, you'll just get ambushed by way more people. We consider fighting dirty a serious offense, unless your life is on the line. I don't know what the "rules" are outside the East, but I'm guessing it's pretty open to anything but slapping people. :p

[animefreak88]

my logic is, its only dirty fighting if its in the mud :Angel:

[FatalFist]

in general, i try and leave the cheapshots out. But specific encounters call for specific attacks, "whatever the attitude, so the response"
If someone tries to gang bash me, i'd defenitely poke the eyes, deliver nut-shots, throat attacks and sneaky attacks. But i draw the line at attacking from behind. No punches or kicks to the back, unless, my constant attacks cause them to turn around. Then its ok! :D

[FatalFist]

I don't like the term "cheap". I prefer "effective"

HAHAHAHAHA! its funny because its true... :)

[samuri-man]

yes there are cheap shots specialy girls kicking guys in the balls. IT HURTS DON'T DO IT!!!!!!!!!

[Shisochin]

in a streetfight cheap shots are a part of it.....u wanna finish as "quick" as possible!

[wing chun]

if someone wants to kill you you have to be prepared to do the same. my sifu says if he pulls a knife you pull a gun. if he pulls a gun you pull a bazooka.

[gedhab]

if someone wants to kill you you have to be prepared to do the same. my sifu says if he pulls a knife you pull a gun. if he pulls a gun you pull a bazooka.

I don't agree....just do enough to walk away safely....no need to kill the guy....that's just extreme. ;)

[Shadow_of_Evil]

For me, if I'm in a fight outside the dojo (and I've been in too many to be rpoud about it) I'll do ANYTHING it takes to seriously hurt the guy that i'm fighting. It is no competition, we are there to cause pain to the other person...unless it is simply out of self defence.
But if someone wants to fight me then yeah, hits to the groin, eye pocking, scratching, pullinghair...i'll do it all. That's not to say I'm not gonna use punches and kicks etc but if I need to i'll fight "dirty". I've never had a problem with kciking someones head in when they've fallen down in a fight. I'm not there to be fair I'm there to put you in a world of pain...fighting is a dirty thing so no matter what you do, it's dirty.

disclaimer: No I'm not trying to brag here nor am I rpoud of most of the street fights I've had. But facts are facts and I'm mearly trying to state them ;)

[wing chun]

i mean in extreme situations. if its 10 to 1 i'd do as much damage as quickly as possible and run away first chance i got. of course if hes alone and just messing around being the hard man i'd just restrain him. it is always best to talk your way out any fool can make an enemy. but there may be when it wont work you have to be prepared. i,ve never had to use force against anyone and god willing i won't have to
:woo:

[Tankx1st]

dude theres no honor or rules in a street fight!

it's Kill or be Killed

it's not tournament it's a fight that CAN mean life or death

in a ring or tournament theirs expectations of you living,

but in a street fight, you don't know when he can have a knife or have a gun, my point, screw dignity and honor, Surviving should be your MAIN idea

if you kick him the balls, he should have been ready for it

cause really Street fights are the REAL VALE TUDO - ANYTHING GOES!

[Gryphon Hall]

In an ideal world, yes. But remember, we also live in a world with the sort of lawyers that will make sure you go to jail for using "too much force". Of course, I find that idiotic: the very reason why we train for self-defense is to protect ourselves if we are mugged. But I've also heard that martial artists should beware, for we should only do the bare minimum to stop the attack and keep ourselves safe.

But really, how do you judge that? Just after you throw a guy to the ground and you feel in your gut he is going to draw the gun tucked in his pants, what do you do? Wait until he pulls it out, or pre-empt him and kick him in the noggin? But beware, if you kick him and he never gets to pull his gun out, you've used too much force. A good cheap shot that may have saved your life, but the sort of cheap shot that will either put you in jail or have to pay that mugger "damages".

So, what about cheap shots? Even in the real world, it's best we avoid it. Try to be skillful enough to win without having to use it. Then maybe we can escape not only with our lives, but also with our personal liberty.

[spooky]

I did drop a attacking female to the ground with a groin kick.Would this be called dirty fighting?

[call_me_rizki]

cheap shots are legal in street fights :cool:

[Iai-do master]

if you fight dirty you are a wimp beat them right.

:woo: lol jp

[Iai-do master]

by the way if a man hits a woman that is bs!!!

[Slindsay]

if you fight dirty you are a wimp beat them right.

:woo: lol jp
Yes, absoloutley right, if someone jumps me and my GF with a knife youd better believe that Ill follow the Marquis of Queensbury rules.
:bang: :bang: :bang:

by the way if a man hits a woman that is bs!!!

Good to see sexism is still rampant somewhere, keep the fire burning, power to the men!

[Simplicity]

if you fight dirty you are a wimp beat them right.

:woo: lol jp


LMAO.....There is no rules in survival or "Life or Death".....it's that simple! :bang:





Take It Easy,
Peace-Out,
John

[gemtkd]

I don't think there are cheap shots. If someones attacked you they deserve what they get.

On the otherhand I don't believe in judasing (sp?) someone

[Sever]

I think sucker-punching someone is a cheap shot and it's something I don't think I'd do unless the other guy has done something very bad and is a lot bigger than me. Other than that, headbutts, elbows, nutshots, rabbit-punches, farting in their face... I'll do any of it if I have to

[RFWright]

All,
There is no such thing as a cheap shot in a real world conflict. You should do whatever you deem is needed to get yourself away from the BG. Running may be your best option, however putting him down hard may be needed first.
Your drunk buddy? Walk away...even if he hits you first...walk away. Worst case maybe a lock or a throw, but walk away. He will/should feel pretty stupid in the morning.
Regards,
R

[Munen Mushin]

In a fight there are no winners and losers. There are thoes who survive and the ones that don't.

[watto86]

I think there are cheap shots in some fights. I personally don't have a problem with cheap shots if they're going to save your ass instead of ending up in a hospital. I'd rather hit someone who is going to attack me before they can get their arm back for a punch or anything like that, or maybe even kick to the groin, if it meant i'd be returning home safe that day/night.

[Shantari]

well, in some cases, yes there are cheap shots, and in other casesl, there are no cheap shots.....if some one is seriously trying to injure you, or somebody else, or if someone is at risk of being killed, than i think you should do what you must, and there are no cheap shots, if it means protecting yourself......but if it just some bully, or a drunk, than going for "cheap" shots is not ok, because there is no reason to seriously injure them.

[leo]

well, in some cases, yes there are cheap shots, and in other casesl, there are no cheap shots.....if some one is seriously trying to injure you, or somebody else, or if someone is at risk of being killed, than i think you should do what you must, and there are no cheap shots, if it means protecting yourself......but if it just some bully, or a drunk, than going for "cheap" shots is not ok, because there is no reason to seriously injure them.

may i ask what you think about an untrained fighter kicking a bully in the nutts since essentialy bullies usually pick out the weakest person.

[19thlohan]

Anything goes in a street fight as far as I'm concerned.

[TheCount]

I mean realistically who the heck is gonna fight queensbury rules in a street fight, you fight as dirty and as brutally as you can, the safest way to do it imo

[Cougar_v203]

I love to fight dirty :D (cept to girls ;)) don't care who you are.

you bring your fist I'll bring my knife. It's all about surviving to see another day.

[Trinity]

Anything goes................in a street fight it doesn't matter how you win, its wether you win.

[watto86]

Anything goes in a street fight as far as I'm concerned.
Anything goes................in a street fight it doesn't matter how you win, its wether you win.
Yeah. Thats what I was always lead to believe.

[wazzabi]

if some guy picks a fight with me in the street the nuts would be the first place i hit :D

who cares if you throw a cheap shot, it's all about survival. you'll need cheap shots the most when your life is in danger or when guys try 2 gang beat you. hell i'll kick all of their balls LOL. :D

[Kwajman]

Groin, knees, eyes, nose, sternum........fair targets all.

[JinkokMike]

definately cheap shots!!

[Rainer.T88]

Being Cheap is Striking when the Opposition has no intent wadsoever to Hurt you and you Hit him. Whether with Fist, Gun, Knife, Katana, Axe, Nanchakus, spears, sledgehammers. Its still Cheap ass.

If the Opponent, has the intent to launch the attack on you or your loved ones. Than wadever weapon or moves you use to bring him down. It is not being cheap because getting Owned is what he should anticipate.

One very good example is called the "geneva convention" which is applied in real Military WARS. such as Mine fields must be labeled "MINE FIELD" using a big sign. Some people find it stupid but it is actaully for the safety of Post-war living. As mine fields not labeled could cause a farmer working on the fields to go BOOOM!!! and the family goes WTF?. This is the convention that defines the CHEAP and conventional ways to fight a war.

Therefore, i do not believe cheap moves doenst exist. One must decide the situation.

[niclans]

If i can take somebody on and confident enough, i may not have to use cheap shots. But if he is big,strong or whatever that intimidates me, i will certainly go for cheap shots, who cares!

[Angelus]

Well if a guy walks up to you in a parking lot and says "The force is strong within you.. i challenge you to a duel .. of fists" then i guess you shouldnt use cheap shots. Any any other circumstance.. like if someone wants to mug you-especially if you know that youll get beaten to a pulp if you dont use cheap shots- NO HOLDS BARRED. and may the SHWARTZ be with you. :) :cool:

[ShorinRoots]

bottom line:

life in danger, everything open. use surroundings. don't be squeamish.

life not in danger, show remorse, compassion, be human, be the martial artist.

[kwang gae]

I'll say yes there are cheap shots, but not the ones mentioned, they're legitmate targets for self defense.

A cheap shot is getting clocked on the back of the head by a red neck with a hardwood walking stick. That happened to me about 10 years ago. My wife was assaulted by another woman in front of our home, and when I turned to intervene, the other woman's husband clocked me on the back of the head.

Cheap shot? I still think so. :mad:

[brahman]

Do you think 'cheap shots' exsist in a street fight??
By cheap shot im talking about hits to the groin, throat, pulling hair, biting, scratching, poking in the eye.


without a doubt these techniques exist, id say the only real arguement is whether or not to use them.

[fugepilot]

Anything goes...*pulls pliers from pocket*...get em down, then scram. :D

[scorpiousmac]

Rules...in a knife fight? (Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid).If I have to whack someone round the head with a sledgehammer then so be it,I wasn't looking for it and I didn't start it so sod them.

[Gryphon Hall]

I'll say yes there are cheap shots, but not the ones mentioned, they're legitmate targets for self defense.

A cheap shot is getting clocked on the back of the head by a red neck with a hardwood walking stick. That happened to me about 10 years ago. My wife was assaulted by another woman in front of our home, and when I turned to intervene, the other woman's husband clocked me on the back of the head.

Cheap shot? I still think so. :mad:

I agree with you. Here are other cheap shots: 1) a mugger throws you off a moving commuter vehicle because he can't take your cellphone "fairly" and 2) mugger pulls a gun on you when you out-fight him "fair and square."

Yeah... your definition of what constitutes a "cheap shot" seems to be more valid.

[reel deel]

Ah Cheapshots sorry misunderstanding American Slang still confuses the hell out of me.
To me a cheap shot is an ambush when you're not looking, kicking someone in the nuts or biting their nose in a street fight is just common sense nothing cheap or dirty about it just the way of the world, so my answer would be no definitely not ther are no cheapshots in a street fight.

[johny]

:D Street fights don't involve rules in my experience, anything goes, it's survival, and it's dirty, dirty, and more dirty.

[the hunting fly]

I agree with johny.
Fight like a cornered rat and then get the hell outta there.

[jamie1976]

no shot is a cheap shot out of the kwoon!! any means nesassary i say if its not coverd hit it and hit it hard lol

jamie

[angacam]

If I read the question correctly you are really asking if there is such a thing as a fair fight in the street.
Not just no but hell no. Kick, gouge, bite, claw, scratch I would do whatever it takes. Grab pull down and twist works so much better than just striking the groin. :D
The three stooges were on to something, poke there eyes out, can't see, can't fight.

I heard this analisis once

THE: three places we are all relitivly the same
T: Throat
H: Hands
E: Eyes

[Moi]

Definition of a street fight please?

[Kenpo_Iz_Active]

no such thing as a "cheap shot." Just an excuse people find who can't fight. Any type of attack is fine as far as self-defense is concerned...Except for biting, that would be kinda weird.

[Moi]

no such thing as a "cheap shot." Just an excuse people find who can't fight. Any type of attack is fine as far as self-defense is concerned...Except for biting, that would be kinda weird.


Red and blue are just plain opposites and green is B/S, if all that's between you being filleted or not is to bite someones hand then you'll bite!

[oldshadow]

Red and blue are just plain opposites and green is B/S, if all that's between you being filleted or not is to bite someones hand then you'll bite!

I saw a guy Mike Tyson’ed in a bar fight once and it seamed to work real well. I must admit I have used it before in my younger days but I have never gotten a good trophy like a bit of ear to take home.

[Angelus]

I say anything works in street fight :D

[CrowZer0]

"Cheap shots" only exist in the world of competition. A fight is a struggle to take down the opponent by any means necessary, no place for rules in a situation like that, if you are able to kick their balls and they weren't good enough to protect them then so be it.

[Sparx]

Of course there are cheap shots in street fighting it's every man for himself!

[SteelyPhil]

I think cheap shot implies that it's somehow bad. So i voted No to cheap shots in street fighting.
If you are fighting for your safety anything goes and you should use "cheap shots" to there full effect.

[Emil]

I think I posted this before, but if you ask me, if the other guy has attacked you, he's already fighting dirty. Smash him :woo:

There is no such thing as dirty fighting. Only what you can do, and what you can't.

[Al_Bundy]

There are cheap shots in street fights. Strikes to the groin, fingers in eyes, blows to the spine.....You don't consider those cheap shots??? Just listen to your inner voice of morality....Although street fight can be related to feelings of hate or anger, that doesn't mean there shouldn't be a sense of honor present in your actions (ex. you're defending yourself). Don't have to disable a man for life just because he attacked you. You can disable him for a few weeks though, thats ok. :D

[Zandorv1037]

I put no, but I think it depends on the situation. If somebody gets mad at you and they throw a punch or something... there's such thing as a cheap shot... it's a fight.
If someone's really trying to hurt you, like they're waiting on the side of the street to mug your or something... No such thing as cheap shots, they're going down!!! Especially if someone tries rape... They thought they were gonna have some fun, but instead they may never be able to have children again :woo: :D

[JHughes]

no their can't be cheap shots on the street because you life is potensially in danger, how can there be.

[Sweeter_Science]

"Never underestimate da kick to da groin!"


:D

[fighting13]

i put yes simply because i believe in winning with dignity. unless your fighting an armed opponent in the street if you have to kick a guy in the groin or scratch/bite/pull hair etc. then you dont prove anything and the guy will probably want to try to get you again, maybe with a weapon or some buddies of his. i would want to make it crystal clear that there is no way he/she would ever have a chance at beating me up/ taking my money, etc.

like i said, if your life was in danger, a quick jab to the throat and a knee to the groin are perfectly acceptable in my opinion.

[nready]

In the street no such thing as a honor code our a dirty fight.

[I'mKira]

Why did you think it was a good idea to make the characteristics of an erection your handle?

[Grant86]

Write the name into your notebook, and see what happens.

[nready]

Why did you think it was a good idea to make the characteristics of an erection your handle?

Why would you think it is about a erection?

[KempoFist]

I think I voted wrong....might have read the question incorrectly.

Does the question imply that the things listed by the OP happen in street fights, or does it assume that these things happen and is asking if they should be considered "cheap?"

[I'mKira]

Write the name into your notebook, and see what happens.

Just as NOT AT ALL PLANNED OH GOD WHATS HAPPENIN

[Rawrasaurus]

theres no such thing as cheap shots in a street fight. why? because you're there to protect yourself, to hurt them. even thou im thought to not hurt anyone and its is wrong to hurt anyone by my parents and sifu; and most likely i wont unless forced to. if i ever get into such a situation, i would go for only the eyes and genitals, as i do not want to murder anyone.

A reply to someone from first page, if you drill your martial arts skills enough, you could do it instinctively (i practice tiger claw and butterfly palm all the time for self defense and fighting)

[emaun]

When it's a streetfight anythings goes. My dad was a mp in the airforce so i pick up some of his tactics and i learn some on my own. I would do whatever it takes to come out of the streetfight alive. You never know what that person's mind set is. Now in the ring when sparring then yes there are cheap shots. I am a streetfighter with a catch wrestling and boxing background. I learn how to streetfight and box from my oldest brother.

[Angelus]

Do you think 'cheap shots' exsist in a street fight??
By cheap shot im talking about hits to the groin, throat, pulling hair, biting, scratching, poking in the eye.
i never saw a referee in a self defence situation :D

[GSHAMBROOKE]

In a real fight i will always go for the eyes throat and nuts ive never bitten anybody but i have been bitten myself. Who knows what you would do if your life depended on it.

[Kobela]

Hell yes, and I want to be the first to throw them. Tom Kobela

[liero]

I will try as hard as i can and do anything not to get into a physical altercation.

if you continue to try and fight me ill get so dirty people will think i'm a monster of some sort...

this thread is old...why am i even replying?

[DaeHanL]

define street fight-

do you mean a "let's take this outside" scenario, or a "give me your friggin' money" scenario?

i wouldn't do anything to cause permanent physical damage in a fair fight (love that term) if it is to be mano y mano.
I would however kill anyone who attacked me on the street. It's you or me buddy, and I like me more.

[24ahughes]

i voted yes there are cheap shots because i think that some shots in fighting "outside" will provoke a reaction from onlookers that will often work against you in the long run. for example it provokes one of their mates jump in. that said howeve i still would use "cheap shots" if i felt they were justified and the best choice of technique at the time.

[i11umin8ted]

In a life or death situation your only concern should be to not die. Worrying about what might be considered "cheap" is not conducive to survival given those conditions. Though in most street fights it's far better to disengage before an argument becomes a fight, or make a hole and escape that way.

[MatsunoCj]

i voted no if its a real street fight and u are at risk u should do what u need to to survive, i dont think it matters if some shots are classified as "cheap shots" cause if they work then ill use them if i need to. Plus we always train with some like shots to the groin etc.. just cause we all know it works

[Yohan]

Thank god someone resurrected this thread.

[adouglasmhor]

Card Played
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[Damien Alexander]

who wants to fight fair?!

I want to win!!!!!!

[Bowed-N-Bloody]

All I know is cheap shots.:D

Fighting is not fair. Life is not fair so why should fighting be any different?

[Southpaw535]

they might be cheap but they effective and thats what matters.

[SB1970]

What ever gets me home safe....................

[jfleshner]

In a fight I would not use cheap shots, but when street fighting there are no rules and you have to do what ever to survive.

[Southpaw535]

isnt that a contradiction?

[Kwajman]

As someone a few posts up said, whatever gets me home. You do what you have to do to stop the aggressor is how I look at it. I'd go for the eyes first, take out the knee ligaments, etc....why not if he attacked you first.

[Southpaw535]

if your not willing to hit the eyes, ears, knees, groin, small joint and everytihng else against someone who is your going to be at a disadvantage. As Kwajamn said, if you've been attacked stuff the other guy. literally.

[Genkuro]

If you where in a REAL fight, one where you where in real danger, not like a silly "duel" over a girl say, you wouldn't even think twice about how dirty it was, if you got a chance you'd take it.

People like to deny it alot, but at the end of the day we are still beasts.

[jfleshner]

Southpaw what I meant to say: If I am fighting in a sporting type fight I would not use cheap shots, but in a street fight where someone is trying to harm or even kill me , I would most diffently do what ever it takes to survive.

[Southpaw535]

ah gotcha

[devappy]

I used to live in a bad hood and I would see people get ****ed up everytime I went to a party.One time I saw a dude use a keg tap to hit some kid in the face and the kids eye exploded.The guy is in jail now but the kid has no eye.So I would do anyhting to make sure that person gets ****ed up as quick as possible.

[Genkuro]

A mate of mine now has a burnt face, some lads at a party thought it would be good to get rid of his eyebrows, whilst he was KO'd from booze. So they put some chem they found in the garden shed on them to burn them off. Unfortunatley, the lid didn't get back on properley and he now is burnt face man.

[KungFuCandie]

If I'm attacked, I fight dirty (...) =/

[Southpaw535]

i dont think of my reaction as dirty or clean but i think the way i make sure the person in my face has their legs open sugests i'm a bit dirty

[devappy]

You got to be careful though cause if you **** someone up they might get their friends and do you even worse.I knew a kid that got jumped by mad dudes with brass knuckles and bats.The kids face was all ****ed up for months after that.I was always nervous beatin someone up cause I didn't want a worse beating when that kid gets his friends and might **** me up even worse.Keep that in mind.

[Southpaw535]

thats when you need to use your brain and decide if the fight is really worth it

[Genkuro]

We'll usually the really brutal fights will be with strangers.

If you're fighting someone who knows you it'll be over a girl,schoolground disagreement or something relativley trivial, its gonna be more of a duel.

Don't S*** on you're own doorstep, i learn't that the hard way, saw some kids tormenting a old dear outside the window, went out and planted them. Glad i did it, but nonetheless there where "reprisals" to my window and car, just scratches from stones and tabs through the letter box.

If they know where you live, its really not worth it. Unless you know where they live too in which case just escalate it untill someone dies!

[Southpaw535]

this is where i hit a huge grey area. like you say its a risk to you, your property and your family if they know where you live but i would like to think i wqouldnt let an old lady get tormented either. i dont know maybe i wouldnt lay them out just go outside wiht my bat and a sword :p

[jfleshner]

I would think that if any human life was in danger and I could do something, I would fight as dirty as needed to stop the threat.

[devappy]

haha yea werd werd.SOem kids went to my doorstep talkin **** and I ended up fighting 4 dudes at once **** sucked but they work weak so they didnt get me to the ground.I did alot of dodging and weaving.

[devappy]

and my moms got hit in the face also from one of thos kids

[Southpaw535]

yeah thats the point i would have started throwing punches and kciking balls :p

[Genkuro]

haha yea werd werd.SOem kids went to my doorstep talkin **** and I ended up fighting 4 dudes at once **** sucked but they work weak so they didnt get me to the ground.I did alot of dodging and weaving.



I thought English was the first language of this forum... i know its not being taught in schools anymore but :)


Just messing man, that sucks about you're mum getting hit , but i think it was
Marc Antony (upon not fending of Ceasers attackers)

"Many Mangy dogs can take down a lion"


NB to any classic's students and historians

i tried to verify this quote, so if it turns out it is fictional from a TV drama i apologize. Its still a cool quote though.

[KungFuCandie]

:woo:

Regardless of where you live, it's always a good idea to keep a gun handy for safety.

[Custom Volusia]

attack me and I will hurt you any way that I can.