Questions About Kickboxing [Archive]

Ikken Hisatsu

20-Jun-2005, 09:26 PM

well it depends on what kickboxing organisation you go into. over here, kickboxing means muay thai without elbows, but in america it can mean a whole raft of things from *shudder* semi contact slapfests to american rules kickboxing (think benny the jet) to "international rules" (leg kicks allowed and sometimes knees) to full out muay thai. so to answer your questions-

1. hapkido mostly focuses on grappling and joint locks right? in which case, it shouldnt be too hard. I had no problem training in judo and muay thai at the same time (well except one time where I punched my judo instructor in the face :D) and found they complimented each other quite well.

2. American kickboxing was based on tkd and karate, so they are quite similar but also influenced by boxing in terms of the rules regarding hands and the training methods. Muay Thai and international rules kickboxing is influenced by muay thai more and really is not very similar to tkd or karate.

3. It has worked for me, and other people I know who do kickboxing and have been attacked.

4. American kickboxing is basically full contact karate- full contact kicks and punches to the body and face, no leg kicks, knees, or elbows.

jabcrosshook

21-Jun-2005, 11:31 AM

4. American kickboxing is basically full contact karate- full contact kicks and punches to the body and face, no leg kicks, knees, or elbows.

Just to add a bit to that... sweeps are allowed :) Full contact/ FC karate => American rules as Ikken said above. Kickboxing => leg kicks allowed

Korpy

21-Jun-2005, 03:06 PM

If I do a form of Kickboxing, I don't know if I should take Kickboxing or Muay Thai.

jabcrosshook

21-Jun-2005, 03:39 PM

If I do a form of Kickboxing, I don't know if I should take Kickboxing or Muay Thai.

It's up to you. First, see if you have both in your area. If you do, check them both out. If not, you don't have much choice in the matter, do you? ;)

Ultimately, what do you want to get out of kickboxing?

Korpy

21-Jun-2005, 04:58 PM

Well, I have ti think for this.

Here are the things I want to get out of Kickboxing, they are not in any particular order.

1. Fitness

2. I Want Good Self Defence (I Get That With Hapkido Too, I Love Hapkido)

3. Compettions (I Do Hapkido For Self Defence, I Want Kickboxing For Compettions)

4. I Want To Learn A Variety Of Powerful Kicks

5. I Want To Fight Better With My Legs, Feet, and Bottom Half.

6. Kickboxing, From What I've Seen, Is Just Plain Cool.

Hey Norm, can you tell me about Kickboxing and whatnot.

Also if an Muay Thai Boxers see this, tell me about Muay Thai.

jabcrosshook

21-Jun-2005, 06:54 PM

Basically, you probably want kickboxing, although Thai would do :) The two are VERY similar, so you're not going to be short changed doing either. ONE noteable difference is that kickboxing favours the hands whilst thai boxing favours the knees, leg kicks and powerful roundhouses. Choice is yours mate - get checking local gyms out!

Hey Norm, can you tell me about Kickboxing and whatnot.

If you can tell me what you want to know, generally. As you can understand, it's a pretty wide subject and if you ask me questions iI'm more than willing to have a shot at answering them.

Have fun :D

Korpy

21-Jun-2005, 06:57 PM

Thank you Norm. :)

I would like to learn how to use my legs better in combat. So would Muay Thai or Kickboxing be better?

Also which do you prefer?

Also anything you can tell me about Kickboxing would be awesome.

Tell me what your beginning training is, then middle, then black belt training.

Also all the stuff you learn, and just.... everything! :cool: :)

I hope I'm not being too much of a pest. :o

jabcrosshook

21-Jun-2005, 07:06 PM

Thank you Norm. :)

No problemo, Korpy :)

I would like to learn how to use my legs better in combat. So would Muay Thai or Kickboxing be better?

From what I've seen, MT focusses on blistering kicks to the legs, and some body kicks (occasional head kick). KB focusses on body and head kicks, but mainly punches (American) or leg kicks and punches (Standard/International rules)

In answer to your question, depending on the coach/kru and environment, POSSIBLY MT.

Also which do you prefer?

Not even gonna answer - I would be bias. Actually, tell a lie, I am. Kickboxing.

Ill answer the rest of your points later - gotta be out soon :)

To summarise: Kickboxing: Leg kicks and average amounts of punches
MT: Leg kicks and body kicks - lots of conditioning
AMERICAN/FC - boxing with kicks

Korpy

21-Jun-2005, 07:22 PM

Awesome, thank you very much Norm.

Can't wait for more info from you.

Also if you've fought in compettions tells me about them, win or loss, and what moves you used. :cool:

Thanks again Norm! :)

Ikken Hisatsu

21-Jun-2005, 07:58 PM

if you want to use your legs, especially in terms of self defense, go for muay thai. leg kicks and knees for the win.

Korpy

21-Jun-2005, 08:12 PM

I like both.

I think I don't know which one I like better.

I mean Kickboxing is good for using legs for combat right? I mean that's why it's called Kickboxing, right?

But I don't know.

Ikken Hisatsu

21-Jun-2005, 08:20 PM

its good. muay thai is better. (depending on the coach of course but as a system it is more complete)

LiaoRouxin

21-Jun-2005, 08:31 PM

I'd have to say Muay Thai is the better, and because of the larger range of allowed techniques I'd argue it's more applicable to self defense. Overall, however, either choice is a good bet. If both are conveniently available to you, try them both for a little while and pick which one you like more. I'd rather train in WTF Taekwon-do than Muay Thai if the training and instruction at the Muay Thai place was unfriendly and not fun and the Taekwon-do was. If something is not fun, there's no point in doing it because you'll either hate it and slog on, or hate it and stop doing it which defeats the purpose.

Another suggestion:

Kyokushin Kai karate, it is the progenitor of Japanese kickboxing and is very intense and useful. Its offshoot, Japanese kickboxing, I think goes by the title of Seido Kai and is the base martial art of many excellent Japanese fighters both in traditional kickboxing and K-1.

Korpy

21-Jun-2005, 08:32 PM

I would like to hear your input on Muay Thai as well as Norm's input on Kickboxing.

What makes Muay Thai better then Kickboxing? :confused:

Thank you as well. :)

Ikken Hisatsu

21-Jun-2005, 08:34 PM

basically theres a whole lot more to it. think kickboxing, and add in knee strikes, elbows, leg kicks, and stand up grappling with throws.

Korpy

21-Jun-2005, 08:53 PM

I'm not sure if I'd be good with the knee and elbow strikes.

I just don't know I like both.

Ikken Hisatsu

21-Jun-2005, 08:56 PM

well you wont be throwing elbows on your first day if thats what you mean. they are more for advanced students otherwise people get hurt.

and whats NOT to like about knees? :D

jabcrosshook

21-Jun-2005, 09:08 PM

Korpy - you asked about competition accounts.

The main thing to remember is "FORGET THE FLASHY RUBBISH YOU'VE LEARNT!!!" Jumpy, spinny kicks have no real place in tournament/competative fighting. Stick with basica kicks - roundhouse, front kick/teep, maybe sidekick. Occasional spinning back kicks can work. Forget tornado kicks, flying 540s and spinning crescents.

Stick with bread and butter combos - jab cross hook, lead roundhouse jab cross rear roundhouse ETC. Don't overcomplicate things. You will find out what works for you when you spar. Ask Ikken or one of the others about Thai boxing strategies, and if you want more about kickboxing fighting/sparring techniques, open another thread.

The thing which makes Muay Thai better than kickboxing is its complete fighting system. Clingh, elbow, knee, kick, punch are all included. Kickboxing is simple - kicking and boxing. This simplicity is what attracts me!

I like boxing, but enjoy having kicks thrown at me. I am quite short, with long arms and short legs. This means I have to work hard to land kicks, so prefer to punch.

:)

Korpy

21-Jun-2005, 09:08 PM

I tell you this, the first time I saw a Muay Thai fight, I was amazed and fell in love with it.

But my first love was Kickboxing, because when I was a young kid, me and my Dad used to watch Bloodsport and Kickboxer alot.

I want to one of them though.

Tell me more about Muay Thai and when Norm gets back I want to hear more about Kickboxing.

Korpy

21-Jun-2005, 09:09 PM

Both sound awesome. I wont know which one to choose.

Ikken Hisatsu

21-Jun-2005, 09:14 PM

im not sure what kind of info you want, so heres a cool video of a muay thai fighter- http://www.compfused.com/directlink/388/

also im in the chat room right now if you got any questions

Korpy

21-Jun-2005, 09:20 PM

Korpy

21-Jun-2005, 09:21 PM

Also are there any good books on Kickboxing and Muay Thai?

PS: Should I call it Muay Thai, Thai Kickboxing, or Thai Boxing? Or are they all allowed?

Ikken Hisatsu

21-Jun-2005, 09:24 PM

I have so many questions to ask, it's not even funny. Well it sorta is. :D

But I love both.

So here's another question.

I know Muay Thai is a more complete system, so does that make Kickboxing obsolete, and not as good?

no, theres nothing wrong with kickboxing. its a different sport. not everyone WANTS to get kneed in the guts, for some odd reason :D

muay thai, thai kickboxing, thai boxing- doesnt really matter what yo ucall it. only the most anal people would really care enough to force you to say muay thai.

I dont read books or watch instructional videos on muay thai, but at www.k-1fans.com they have plenty of videos on the forum.

Korpy

21-Jun-2005, 09:31 PM

I got more questions for both Muay Thai and Kickboxing.

About how long does it take before you learn enough to compete in your first match. That questions goes for both MA's.

Also in Muay Thai and Kickboxing, how can you win the matches?

Also for Muay Thai do you get used to getting kneed in the stomach and face and head. Also how do you recover from the blows.

hunter_kaval

21-Jun-2005, 09:42 PM

Ikken quick question how did you end up punching your Judo instructor in the face :confused: And you did Thai kickboxing and Judo at the same time! that must of been really physicall.

Korpy

21-Jun-2005, 11:02 PM

I don't want to learn Muay Thai or Kickboxing through books, I want an actual teacher, I'm just saying are there any good books about them.

There's this place about half and hour away, they teach a whole bunch of martial arts and 2 of them are: Muay Thai and American Kickboxing.

But with the American Kickboxing, they say for it, they teach South Paw Style of American Kickboxing.

And the they teach straight up Muay Thai.

Here's the website.

http://www.activeedgefitness.com/html/martial_arts.html

Ikken Hisatsu

21-Jun-2005, 11:08 PM

one of the first times he grabbed and threw me, I hit him in the face. I of course apologised profusely, and he didnt seem to mind much. although he did slam me pretty damn hard for it ;)

I got more questions for both Muay Thai and Kickboxing.

About how long does it take before you learn enough to compete in your first match. That questions goes for both MA's. depends entirely on you and your coach. my first trainer felt I was ready after a year, but circumstance meant I never got to fight. some people are ready earlier than that, some later.

Also in Muay Thai and Kickboxing, how can you win the matches? As far as full contact goes there are a few ways to win- knockout of course, or by points. points are not given out by number of hits landed but by how well you did in that round, and a mark is given out of ten. the nitty gritty details of how you are marked out of ten tend to differ from one organisation to the next.

Also for Muay Thai do you get used to getting kneed in the stomach and face and head. Also how do you recover from the blows. neck strengthening exercises should be part of your routine, and yes you get used to it.

edit- looking at the timetable on that site it would probably be worth doing both since they arent run on the same days. it doesnt say much about the coach, but he may just be new to teaching muay thai and hasnt got any fighters yet.

Korpy

21-Jun-2005, 11:25 PM

Hey did you check out that website of the school by me?

Ikken Hisatsu

21-Jun-2005, 11:35 PM

yes, i edited my reply ;)

Korpy

21-Jun-2005, 11:55 PM

At the school they teach South Paw Style American Kickboxing.

What is South Paw Style.

But I also like the Muay Thai program as well.

Ikken Hisatsu

22-Jun-2005, 12:03 AM

southpaw is a stance, meaning that your right hand is forward and your left hand is back

Korpy

22-Jun-2005, 12:06 AM

I seriously can't choose I love both.

Korpy

22-Jun-2005, 12:07 AM

I like the simplicity of Kickboxing.

But I love the knees and elbows used in Muay Thai, along with the kicking.

Also is it true that Kickboxing Champions are scared to fight Muay Thai fighters?

Ikken Hisatsu

22-Jun-2005, 12:14 AM

a few americans tried it back in the 70s and eighties. none of them even fought at lumpinee i believe, or under full MT rules- and the majority of them got their asses kicked by unranked thais.

Korpy

22-Jun-2005, 12:20 AM

I don't know which to do.

I like both very much.

Hey has a Kickboxer ever beaten a Muay Thai Boxer?

I'll be back at around 9:45 guys, I got to go to Hapkido now.

See ya later. :) :cool:

Ikken Hisatsu

22-Jun-2005, 12:22 AM

so do both? yeah, kickboxers have beaten muay thai fighters. but, its generally the exception, not the norm. they train for different sports.

Korpy

22-Jun-2005, 02:35 AM

I won't be able to do both. Sadly I don't have that dough to throw around.

I like both martial arts so much.

Also in Kickboxing they were the Kickboxing pants, and in Muay Thai they wear the trunks right?

Ikken Hisatsu

22-Jun-2005, 05:11 AM

yes, muay thai has the sexy shorts :D

jabcrosshook

22-Jun-2005, 11:49 AM

Can I just ask a few questions.

Why would they choose to teach south paw style? They should be doing both and letting you decide. It seems entirely ridiculous to just teach south paw, or have I missed something?

IMO, kickboxers will generally beat MTers (what do I call them?) at kickboxing and vice versa. Just like a judoka will beat either at grappling :)

I like the simplicity of Kickboxing.

Good. It is very simple :)

Also is it true that Kickboxing Champions are scared to fight Muay Thai fighters?

Not really. They are just reluctant to fight them at their own stadiums in Thailand using Thai rules :p

K-1 is proof that they're not really scared :)

Now, what elese did you want to know? This thread has moved on quite a bit since I was last here :rolleyes:

IKKEN - you have the sexy thai shorts, we have the silky, stylish trousers. I'll let Korpy decide on that one ;)

Korpy

22-Jun-2005, 02:08 PM

Heh, you guys are great.

Both trunks and shorts are awesome.

Now there's only that place that teaches Kickboxing by me. (There are 2 Muay Thai places)

Now if I hypothetically choose Kickboxing, would I be at a disadvantage, because they only teach South Paw Style?

jabcrosshook

22-Jun-2005, 03:13 PM

Now if I hypothetically choose Kickboxing, would I be at a disadvantage, because they only teach South Paw Style?

Great question!

Now, they say they teach south paw kickboxing. The guy I'm seeing on the picture is regular stance :confused:.

Now, if they only taught south paw stance then if you are right handed you would be at a disadvantage. I somehow think they do both. Your powerful hand should be behind the weaker one. This way, the weaker one can flick out easily and quickly, whilst the powerful one can come from the back with maximal power. If you learnt from day 1 in south paw then fine, but I wouldn't recommend it though. Go down, train, speak to the guy, and ask him!

Any more? ;)

Korpy

23-Jun-2005, 12:53 PM

Sorry, I wasen't on yesterday, I had a horrible stomach flu. It sucked.

But awesome back to the questions.

I am right handed, what stance would be for me in Kickboxing?

Also in Muay Thai are there stances, and if so which would be right for me?

It both Kickboxing and Muay Thai, what are the fighting rings like?

Also if a Muay Thai Boxer fought a Kickboxer with MT rules, the Muay Thai Boxer would win? Vise Versa with a Kickboxer and a Muay Thai Boxer, with Kickboxing rules.

Also this sort of has to do with both. Which arts does Jean Claude Van Damme know? I heard one of them is Kickboxing.

jabcrosshook

23-Jun-2005, 01:11 PM

Sorry, I wasen't on yesterday, I had a horrible stomach flu. It sucked.

You don't have to apologise :P

I am right handed, what stance would be for me in Kickboxing?

Regular/Left foot forward

Also in Muay Thai are there stances, and if so which would be right for me?

See above

It both Kickboxing and Muay Thai, what are the fighting rings like?

Exactly the same in each. A canvassed floor with some give, raised about a foot+ off the ground. 4 ropes which are elasticated. I've forgotten the exact dimensions (they change for each organisation). I'll look later :)

Also if a Muay Thai Boxer fought a Kickboxer with MT rules, the Muay Thai Boxer would win? Vise Versa with a Kickboxer and a Muay Thai Boxer, with Kickboxing rules.

Pretty much. There are always exceptions to the rule, though.

Also this sort of has to do with both. Which arts does Jean Claude Van Damme know? I heard one of them is Kickboxing.

I wouldn't worry - he is more of a film star. Karate as well, maybe? Don't think he did MT.

Korpy

23-Jun-2005, 01:23 PM

Hey Norm I see in your signature about you get a silver and bronze placing in a Kickboxing tournament.

If and when you have time I want to hear about those tournaments. :cool:

Bograt

23-Jun-2005, 02:05 PM

Hi Korpy

Norms a young lad, but I have to say he dose seem to know his stuff. Listen to his advice and you won't go to wrong.

Hi Norm hope your well???

Korpy

23-Jun-2005, 02:19 PM

Hey Bograt, you a Kickboxer too?

I have a dream one day to be a professional fighter. Fight in professional tournaments (either as a Kickboxer or a Muay Thai Boxer), and possibly fight in K-1 one day.

Right now I take Hapkido and I love it. And after Hapkido I think that Kickboxing or Muay Thai would be a good transition.

Cause in Hapkido besides working on takedowns, pressure points, and defensive tactis. (defensive stuff is good for Kickboxing or Muay Thai)

We also focus on kicks and knees.

Bograt

23-Jun-2005, 02:26 PM

Yep I also teach karate.

I like people who set thier standards high. I hope it all works out for you.

Korpy

23-Jun-2005, 02:44 PM

Thank you Bograt. :)

Another thing about my Hapkido training tranlating into either Kickboxing or Muay Thai.

They teach us how to balance properly and how to coordinate our power, and our strikes.

Korpy

23-Jun-2005, 07:34 PM

What are all the kicks in Kickboxing? Also what are the bsics?

Also do Kickboxers wear trunks or Kickboxing pants?

Also Norm don't forget to tell me about your PKA placings that are in your signature.

Korpy

23-Jun-2005, 09:02 PM

Also I have a question.

Is Kickboxing an American or a Japanese martial art?

Ikken Hisatsu

23-Jun-2005, 09:09 PM

I cant tell you all the kicks in kickboxing, but the basic kicks are-
front kick
roundhouse
spinning back kick

kickboxers wear pants, muay thai fighters wear shorts

depending on the rules- american kickboxing is obviously american. however japan developed its own kickboxing, i nfact k-1 used to be a seidokai (I think) tournament.

Korpy

23-Jun-2005, 09:12 PM

What are the basic kicks, and knees, and elbows in Muay Thai?

Ikken Hisatsu

23-Jun-2005, 09:19 PM

the basic kicks are the same as kickboxing, but the roundhouse kicks are also delivered to the inside and outside of the thigh. there are two basic knees, the straight knee, where your hips drive the knee straight into the other person like a spear, and the "rabbit" knee for when you are close. the rabbit knee is thrown in a circular motion, hitting themin the sides. not as powerful. the basic elbows are the "hook elbow" (remember that names are gonna be different from gym to gym) which is basically a hook punch using the elbow, and the downwards elbow which is similar but comes over and down across the face.

Korpy

23-Jun-2005, 09:39 PM

Isn't a roundhouse kick to the inside of the thigh a little dangerous to the groin area, or do Muay Thai Boxers wear groin protectors?

jabcrosshook

23-Jun-2005, 09:46 PM

Hey Korpy

You want to be a pro in either Kickboxing OR Muay Thai. Well, to be a pro in anything, you're gonna have to love it. Which do you currently think would be the best. Go for something you love - not something you think you would be good at.

If I'd have kept judo up consistently for the last 7 years (when I started), I would be at a VERY high level. However, I have more love for kickboxing and as such, have had far more success in this discipline.

TBH - I think I would be great at MMA, perhaps better than at kickboxing. I like kickboxing more, however, and would not leave it. I'm sure Ikken feels the same about MT, etc.

I will get round to writing about my PKA tournaments, and others.

Ikken Hisatsu

23-Jun-2005, 09:59 PM

Isn't a roundhouse kick to the inside of the thigh a little dangerous to the groin area, or do Muay Thai Boxers wear groin protectors?

yeah you wear a groin protector. and its only dangerous if the other guy cant aim ;)

and what Norm says is right. if you have aspirations to be a champ you will have to drop hapkido and focus on either kickboxing or muay thai. same reason why I only do muay thai now and dropped judo and capoeira to train 6 days a week

Korpy

23-Jun-2005, 10:00 PM

Well I first found great liking for Kickboxing when my Dad and I watched Kickboxer and Bloodsport, when I was very young. (it's corny, but hey)

So then since I've studied about it.

Now I only knew about Muay Thai since 2004. But I thought it was some of the coolest stuff ever.

Now which do I think I would be better at, and which I would love more.

I think I might be better at Kickboxing, because I don't think I could ever take blows into the stomach and face from knees and elbows.

I think I might love Kickboxing more, but I've never done Muay Thai so I don't know.

Korpy

23-Jun-2005, 10:08 PM

I could never drop Hapkido.

I love Hapkido, and my parents and myself dropped alot of money for it.

I just turned 15. I figure I can get my black belt when I'm either 17 or 18. After I get it, I want to take either Kickboxing or Muay Thai.

Ikken Hisatsu

23-Jun-2005, 10:11 PM

so you would drop hapkido once you get a black belt? or do you plan on doing both at the same time?

Korpy

23-Jun-2005, 10:17 PM

Well I want to get a black belt in Hapkido, before I start something else.

Or maybe when I'm close to my black belt (possibly 17) I'll study either Kickboxing or Muay Thai.

Korpy

23-Jun-2005, 10:25 PM

And maybe after I get my first black belt in HKD, I might continue to study it as well as either Kickboxing or Muay Thai.

Korpy

23-Jun-2005, 11:01 PM

Also do Kickboxers train with Thai Pads?

Ikken Hisatsu

23-Jun-2005, 11:08 PM

depends on the gym.

Korpy

23-Jun-2005, 11:28 PM

Is it usual though?

jabcrosshook

23-Jun-2005, 11:36 PM

We use them. I prefer focus pads, but for roundhouses etc, you aren't gonna beat thai pads.

In most gyms, you will be given the choice. If they don't have them, you could buy your own and take them each time :)

Korpy

23-Jun-2005, 11:47 PM

Cause I was thinking of get some thai pads, or something similar for HKD. So I can practice my strikes.

But.....

When I'm done with HKD and I move on to Kickboxing or Muay Thai, it would be helpful.

jabcrosshook

23-Jun-2005, 11:52 PM

Now I only knew about Muay Thai since 2004. But I thought it was some of the coolest stuff ever.

Muay Thai is pretty cool. I won't hide anything - I started kickboxing because a mate told me to check it out at the local leisure centre with him. That was 6 years ago almost. Still here, and fighting :)

Now which do I think I would be better at, and which I would love more.

I think I might be better at Kickboxing, because I don't think I could ever take blows into the stomach and face from knees and elbows.

But you've never tried it. It's verry funny thing. You can't at the moment, but you will condition yourself to the punches. It's not really natural for anyone to survive knees to the stomach and face - we get used to it. I have a good chin. Did I when I started? Hell no!

Now, let's not make this bit up to get you training, Kickboxing AND MT are hard contact sports. Do not expect to go in, do 5 pressups and situps, hit some pads and be a world champion. Expect heavy cardio, conditioning work, hours of hitting the heavy bag often before you can spar. Once you start sparing, it takes heavy dedication, love, and mental effort to reach the top.

At the moment, I'm training with either resistance or kickboxing 6 days per week. At home, I supplement this by hitting my bag, skipping, and doing other cardio work. I do lots of cardio, lots of strength training, stretching, lots of sparring, and only this year am I entering tournaments/fighting at a good level. I know Ikken does a LOT of work on his bag, and trains six days a week.

This is the kind of dedication you will need to reach your goal. My aim is to become a world champion - I know there are hundreds of titles, but a WKA/WAKO one would do me great. I'm halfway through a SPORTSCOACH UK training qualification, and learning from my coach about coaching this sport. It is something I am extremely passionate about. I am noot saying this to "big myself up" - it's just to give yourself an idea of what's involved for you to succeed your goals which are similar to mine.

Cause I was thinking of get some thai pads, or something similar for HKD. So I can practice my strikes.

But.....

When I'm done with HKD and I move on to Kickboxing or Muay Thai, it would be helpful.

If you get focus pads, I recommend T-Sport ones - www.cimac.net

Off hand, I couldn't recommend any Thai pads. Maybe someone else could.

Korpy

23-Jun-2005, 11:58 PM

So far I think Kickboxing might be ahead over Muay Thai. Like I said, my first love was Kickboxing, when my Dad, told me about it.

I've never tried Muay Thai so I wouldn't know.

But I love Kickboxing, I like Muay Thai. I've never done them yet.

But one day like I said I want to be a world champ in either of them.

jabcrosshook

24-Jun-2005, 12:03 AM

But one day like I said I want to be a world champ in either of them.

Read my above post. You got that dedication? If so, go for it!!!

I've never tried Muay Thai so I wouldn't know.

Neither have I. Too late now really

Korpy

24-Jun-2005, 12:06 AM

How old are you Norm? When did you start training?

jabcrosshook

24-Jun-2005, 12:10 AM

How old are you Norm? When did you start training?

I'm 16½. Started at 10. In fairness though, training did not get serious until I was about 14. Before, it was twice a week, technique sessions with 10 or so mins sparring at the end. At 14, I joined a KB gym went twice a week for 2 hrs a pop, worked on bags, got me my own, and now, I'm at the stage I posted above (since about a year ago).

kickboxingidiot

24-Jun-2005, 12:14 AM

Man this thread totoally rocks!
Full of enthusiasm .Good for the sport.
Norm i cant wait for you to start fighting in FC .
When is your debut?
With your experience in l-con already and your dedication i pity the poor novice who is thrown in there with you!

Whats your name and what weight do you fight at?

Korpy

24-Jun-2005, 12:18 AM

So Norm if I start at 17 or 18, it'll be too late for me? :cry:

jabcrosshook

24-Jun-2005, 12:19 AM

Dude, I gonna send you a pm in a min

jabcrosshook

24-Jun-2005, 12:21 AM

So Norm if I start at 17 or 18, it'll be too late for me? :cry:

Not at all mate - I'm saying it's too late for me to do MT, cos I'm in with KB now and it would be detrimental.

Korpy

24-Jun-2005, 12:26 AM

So If I started at 17, or 18, I'm stretching it, but possibly even 16, it wouldn't be a total lost cause. I good possibly do good, compete in compettitions, and whatnot.

Also Norm, when youi have time tell me about the 2004/2005 PKA Nationals. :cool:

jabcrosshook

24-Jun-2005, 12:30 AM

So If I started at 17, or 18, I'm stretching it, but possibly even 16, it wouldn't be a total lost cause. I good possibly do good, compete in compettitions, and whatnot.

Dude, you're fine starting at that age!!! The reason it's late for me is because I've developed kickboxing habbits that stretch back 6 years and would be hard to break. Starting at 18, I'd say you would definately have an oppportunity to compete. The high level question is a funny one. We hear people who have trained since they were born - some even before!!! It all comes down to what you will put into training, and how badly you want to live your dreams.

Put it this way, if you want to be better than me, it's simple. Put more work into achieving your goal than me, and make up lost time. There is no correct age to start. It depends on so many things it' s unreal!

Also Norm, when youi have time tell me about the 2004/2005 PKA Nationals. :cool:

No probs. Can tell you about more if ya want - just I'm really busy ATM (1:30 AM) with PMs posts and loads more!!!

:)

Korpy

24-Jun-2005, 12:38 AM

When you get the time, ramble on about it, I can't wait to hear on how you got a bronze and silver place in the compettitions. :cool: :)

jabcrosshook

24-Jun-2005, 12:40 AM

When you get the time, ramble on about it, I can't wait to hear on how you got a bronze and silver place in the compettitions. :cool: :)

Lol - it's a loong story (this year anyway). Last year was my first national level tourney so it was cool gettin' anything.

Any more questions whilst I'm in answering mood? I'll just echo what the idiot said - this thread is great. The kb section was all but dead before this except a core number of posters. Mainly 'cos no one actually knows what it is with 800 associations, 15 rule sets and silly arguments between all 50 world champions.

Korpy

24-Jun-2005, 12:49 AM

Which league/federation/association do you fight in?

Also what are some upcoming compettitions you'll be fighting in?

jabcrosshook

24-Jun-2005, 01:02 AM

Which league/federation/association do you fight in?

It depends who the fight/tournament is sanctioned by. PKA and WAKO, mainly. When I start full contack it will most probably be ISKA, WKA or WAKO (judging on the fact that these are the main FC orgs.). I quite like IKF too, but they're mainly American.

Also what are some upcoming compettitions you'll be fighting in?

•PKA Regionals 2005 - I'm almost certain I'll take these.
•WAKO Regionals East Midlands - Got a good chance. Should medal.
•A few EMA tourneys - unsure of dates as of yet - Never fought in these yet. They kinda fill in the holes when I haven't got a major one (National, British etc)

I'm sure something else will crop up. At the moment, I'm still really hacked off at missing the WAKO British Champs :woo: Trained soo hard for them aswel :cry: