Arnis

[Melanie]

I finally made it back to self defence last night!

What an enjoyable evening it was too. After going through the usual warm up, syllabus, practicing break falls, locks and holds, the Sensei produced several light coloured sticks and asked if we wanted to learn how to use them. He gave us all 15 mins with two arnis sticks and asked at the end of the session if we would be interested in getting some of our own and either doing a little training on this during this SD class or if there was enough interest, to start up another class during the week. I have to admit, the idea of weapons appeals to my dark side :D

Just a couple of questions if I may though. Are these just called Arnis sticks? Is there anywhere we can buy them that doesn't charge £15.00 for a pair, plus postage and packaging?

Thanks :)

[Freeform]

Wow, thats actually quite cheap (depending on the quality), Arnis sticks are usually made out of Rattan or Tiger cane, you could probably get them made quite cheap.

Thanx

[Melanie]

It seems that Blitz have altered their prices to be even cheaper! Just had confirmation that they are now £4.50 per stick plus p&p!

I'm happy now...

[pesilat]

Originally posted by Melanie
Just a couple of questions if I may though. Are these just called Arnis sticks?

They're most commonly referred to (in catalogs and such) as "Eskrima Sticks" but may also be listed as "Arnis Sticks" or "Kali Sticks."

However, the British/European suppliers may use the term "Arnis Sticks" more commonly ... I don't know.

The words: Arnis, Kali, Eskrima (or sometimes Escrima) are pretty much interchangable ... especially in the very broad and general sense of looking for sticks.

Mike

[Melanie]

Thanks Mike,

I was told you'd be the best person to talk to ;)

[pesilat]

Originally posted by Melanie
Thanks Mike,

I was told you'd be the best person to talk to ;)

LOL ...

Glad I could help :)

Mike

[YODA]

Hi Melanie

Don't get the Blitz sticks. If you're training anything like properly they'll last you about a month (if you're lucky). Look for unshelled rattan - you may have to pay a little more but they will last a lot longer.

Is your Sensei qualified to teach the Filipino arts or has he just been on a couple of seminars? If he is then what style?

YODA

[Melanie]

Hi Yoda,

From what I have gleaned from my Sensei, he was trained by Rick Clark, who was directly trained by Remy Presas. He attended a seminar with Remy just before he died and has continued his training with Rick Clark. I'm afraid I'm not sure what style he is outside of the information above - but will ask him when I see him on Monday. I'll make some enquiries re: unshelled rattan sticks over the weekend and hopefully offer some alternatives to Blitz come Monday. Thanks. (Rather pay more now, than pay little, often!) ;)

[YODA]

Sounds like Modern Arnis - a good complement to your Karate. Rick Clark has a good reputation too :D

[Melanie]

Oh thanks Yoda. :)

You've heard of Rick Clark? He's over here this month doing a tour on pressurepoints. We see him here on the 22nd May for a Seminar. Do you use pressurepoints much yourself?

[YODA]

No Melanie - I don't use pressure points as such. Well, I do use them when grappling but not in the way you mean.

Check out this link for sticks with skin still on....

https://secure.wsa.u-net.com/www.webworld.co.uk/scripts/pwhtm2/Products/pwstore2.cgi?page=weaponswood.htm

Hmmmm..... £7.65 for a 26" stick and £11.06 for a 72" Bo.

I'd buy the Bo & cut it into sticks :D

[hongkongfuey]

It's not the length that matters Yoda - it's what you do with it.

Sorry - could'nt resist!

[YODA]

Hey HKF

That's what they tell ALL the "Shorties" LOL!

Don't believe it pal :D

[Krysdaggr]

It definetley determines how a woman works it. The Escrima stick you nasty boys!!! lol bad linde bad girl go to your room

[YODA]

No no....

Bad linde bad girl go to my room :D

[Krysdaggr]

lol cute!

[Kendo_Cougar]

Cool, but i never heard of any Filipino Karate around here.
That sounds cool though!

:yeleyes:

[Acekicken]

Warriors Den Has Good Sticks

[moromoro]

YOUR ALL SPENDING TOO MUCH ON LOW QUALITY STICKS
I HAVE JUST COME BACK FROM TRAINING IN THE PHILIPPINES, I PICKED UP A PAIR OF 1.5 INCH DIAMETER KAMAGONG STICKS FOR 260 PESOS FOR THE PAIR...

I ALSO BROUGHT HOME A NUMBER OF OTHER STICKS INCLUDING RATTAN AND AN ANTIQUE BAHI STICK 50YRS OLD WAS GIVEN TO ME BY MY TEACHER GM ANDY ABRIAN HE IS IN MARK WILEY'S BOOK (2000) ?? FILIPINO FIGHTING ARTS THOERY AND PRACTICE.. IT WAS TRULY AN HONOUR TO RECIEVE THIS....IT IS NOW UP ON MY WALL I WILL POST PHOTOS WHEN MY SCANNER IS RUNNING ..

THANKS

TERRY

[Melanie]

Welcome :)

Nice to hear from a fellow stick basher and to come with good tidings on cheaper sticks too :D

Just as a suggestion, please would you type your posts in lower case as CAPS normally is used for "EMPHASIS" and/or "SHOUTING" - Just a bit of 'net-ettiquette' for you ;)

Look forward to hearing more whispers from you...

[moromoro]

i dont know about the term STICK BASHER that can oly be used by someone like you who doesn't practice eskrima

terry

[Andy Murray]

Please be nice Terry,

Melanie (Chief Moderator of the Forum) does in fact practice Eskrima, and was correct in pointing out your 'caps lock'. Capitals are used for emphasis, and not for conversation.

Nice to see another FMA practitioner, and I look forward to your insight!

Enjoy the forum.

Andy.

[moromoro]

well in the spirit of this forum
there are people who practice it and there are people who PRACTICE it.....

thanks guys

terry

[Andy Murray]

Always good to hear of another dilligent member.

maybe some of us can come round and PRACTICE on you?

[moromoro]

anytime ANYTIME.
i was trained in the philippines so iam a little biased especially to people who only train in eskrima 1, 2 or 3times a week and who have never trained with a true master, the only masters they train with are in a dojo setting,, this is not how it is done in the mother land


thanks

[Andy Murray]

The phillipines you say?

OOooooooOOOooooooooH!

You must be one of the best Eskrimadors in the world then?

Tell you what mate; You don't make any assumptions about folks here (particularly those who've been training longer than you), and they won't assume that you're an arrogant SOB !

[YODA]

Hi moromoro

I have practiced Eskrima for the last 19 years or so. My current instructor was born in the Philipinnes and trained Eskrima there for 30 years before coming to England.

I've never been to the Phillippines though so I guess that makes all my training worthless. I bow to your greatness.

[moromoro]

the only arrogant sob is you, according to your bio you dont even train in eskrima why may i ask are you in this forum..... ?
both the grandmasters that i train with have never been beaten. i plan to write several articles by the end of this year and i hope to get them published in several international magazines as well as in my own website ... when its up (later this year i hope)
i guess iam biased because the masters i train with have never charge me for instructions and all instructions have always been on a one on one basis.. and each session is a minimum of 3hrs in lenght.. today we have seen a great deal of promotional and marketing campaings and even grading systems in the filipino martial arts. with all this come a larger base of students all having learnt one of a handfull of systems...(which are all good i might add) iam a true lover of the FMA and my attitude is that no one system or style has a monopoly on knowledge....)
but there are several (many) other filipino martial arts that have yet to recieve their time and these arts are very good if not better than a lot of the mainstream FMA arts on your local yellow pages....some grandmasters are more agressive than others at promoting their style.... so i have not yet made any assumptions about anybody nor do i care to make these assumptions i just like to add my views to this forum like everybody else if you dont like that thats ok if you like them thats good (bahala na) also i have sparred with people who i look up to as some of the very best alive these are of course GM Abrian who i mentioned above and GM Navarro.. who i train with personally one on one 4 days a week minimum..... my greatgrandfather on my mothers side also taught eskrima in zamboanga city at the turn of the century so i do have a family background in the art.....

if i can help in anyway feel free to email me...or you can just put it up on this post

thanks again adam

terry

[moromoro]

come on guys (yoda) all iam saying is that some styles of the FMA are not yet commercialised i dont care if you train in a dojo, a park or a sari sari store where i trained in quezon city with GM abrian, there are some great guys there in the UK and the main thing is if you the practitioner likes it (everyone should know if a style is for them or not).. for those of use who are lucky to have trained and lived in the philippines that good too..
hey its all good but i dont like people claiming to know it all when there are still many FMA that are in the philippines and have recieved very little if any exposure in the west... every opinion is good as far as iam concerned

thanks guys

whats this greatness crap!!!

[Andy Murray]

Originally posted by moromoro
the only arrogant sob is you, according to your bio you dont even train in eskrima why may i ask are you in this forum..... ?


I am indeed arrogant, and my mother is a professional bitch.

The reason I've commented on this forum, is that I'm a Moderator, and take some responsibility for the content members post on the site.

Melanie, who is incidentally the Head Moderator here, dropped you a simple bit of advice, but you responded in an insulting manner. I attempted to get you on track with three posts of increasing strength, but you didn't get the hint mate.

Yoda, who just posted, is also a Moderator here (look at all the attention you're getting), and along with Guru Mike Casto (AKA Pesilat), yup another Moderator, handles our FMA issues.

Maybe you should lurk for a while, and get a feel for what this forum is about before posting in such an ascerbic manner again?



Could one of our Oz members give this guy a slap from me please!

[YODA]

hey its all good but i dont like people claiming to know it all when there are still many FMA that are in the philippines and have recieved very little if any exposure in the west... every opinion is good as far as iam concerned

Now THAT'S more like it - and I don't see anyone here claiming to know it all.

The negativity here was started by YOU Terry.

Let's put that behind us & move forward - OK?

Welcome to MAP :D

Now - tell us about the system you study. Can you give a brief outline of it's structure & training methodology? What weapons configurations does it use? Does it prefer a certain range or mode of fighting?

[moromoro]

hey adam
no need for lurking low remember in eskrima you must accept all challenges..... no need to be a bitch about it adam stay cool though my experience plenty of people talk big but are **** scared once you confront them..... if you read my above post i have tried to clear things up but you dont want to let up about it... let this forum be for filipino martial arts practitioners.


this forum is about posting views and helping others in the filipino martial arts...
lets keep it this way

PLEASE

terry

[Andy Murray]

ROFLMFAO !

[YODA]

Terry: For the record - Andy Murray is a student of mine in the Filipino Martial Arts.

Let's not judge each others sum life experience based an a paragraph of text in a web forum bio.

[moromoro]

lets put that all behind us..

well the system's i study are moro moro orabes heneral and black eagle arnis eskrima..
(although i began back in 1986 with my uncle who taught me single stick, whip (pagi's tail) lyabelyesa, knife.. this was a family system which he had learned from my granduncle his dad and which he learned from my greatgrandfather (garcia).. this system was very simplistic and was based on reaction.. my uncle was also a seaman in small fishing boats he travelled around sulu and the bisayas he also lived in basilan...)

in moro moro GM Abrian told me i dont have a system (meaning structure) his style is a series of counters and counters he also has empty hands (he is the best i have seen it closely resembles traditional japanese jujutsu but it is very different) the system is blade based and we use single garrote, espada y daga, knife, dumog and lyabelyesa.. he never ever repeats a single technique.. and his system has no basics which makes it very difficult for him to teach new students infact he hardly has any students today...
under GM Navarro the system does have a structure althought it is mainly involve in full contact sparring in all aspects empty hands, garotte, single and double as well as knife and chain and espada y daga.. almost everything is done at full speed of course for beginers there is a simplier structure...

thanks guys

how about you yoda


terry

[Melanie]

Er...hello?

Sorry I missed so much - never meant to start anything...just advising you is all moromoro.

Anyway..just so you know I'm not just larking around with 'sticks'

I presently under instruction from Colin Boylan (stump on the forum) who previously trained under Anthony St James (http://www.baronginstitute.com/) who has trained with (Anthony has been training for the past 20+ years) in the past Cacoy Canete at the Doce Pares HQ, Cebu City, Phillipines.

I also train under Zoltan Dienes, whose Instructor is Rick Clark, who trained under Remy Presas in Rapid Arnis.

I'm a beginner in this admittedly, but I am pleased I have been able to source such good instructors in my locality and unreservedly put 100% into my training.

Thanks, now back to the chat

[LabanB]

Hi Terry,

Welcome to the boards.

Is "Pagi's tail" actually a tail from an animal - as in the tail of a stingray, or is that a term used for the whip in your part of the Phillipines?

Bill

[officer_fujita]

Originally posted by LabanB
Hi Terry,

Welcome to the boards.

Is "Pagi's tail" actually a tail from an animal - as in the tail of a stingray, or is that a term used for the whip in your part of the Phillipines?

Bill

Pagi/Pagui are Manta Rays. "Buntot Pagui" are the tails of the rays. Besides being used as a weapon, "albularyos" (shamans? I don't know the exact term in english) in the rural areas of the Philippines also use it to this day to drive away evil spirits possesing a person's body.

[moromoro]

hi
officer fujita wrote.....
Pagi/Pagui are Manta Rays. "Buntot Pagui" are the tails of the rays. Besides being used as a weapon, "albularyos" (shamans? I don't know the exact term in english) in the rural areas of the Philippines also use it to this day to drive away evil spirits possesing a person's body.

this is correct
in zamboanga city it is belived that you should carry this weapon at night as it can harm and chase away evil spirits (if you see a ghost in front of you turn around and stike you buntot pagi) another weapon used and one which was favoured by my grandfather is a knife made out of bronze, when you see or feel the evil spirits stab the knife on the ground in front of you and recite certain oracion..........

the buntot pagi is also a favoured fighting weapon it is about 4-5 feet althought i have seen them much shorter.. it is also very rough and has small spikes and many people lace them with certain (poisons) liquids and powders when if struck by the buntot pagi can cause a seriors infection and even death...

and thanks guys it feels good to be a part of this forum

(i am new to this forum writing,)

[stump]

Hi moromoro,

welcome to the forum, it's always good to hear from other people interested in the Filipino martial arts

a few things

1, the origonal comment of Melanies (stickbasher) was nothing more than a lighthearted term.....definitely not meant to be derogatory to the FMAs or to you. As she said Mel trains with me and does so regularly....though she's new to FMA she's definitely one who PRACTISES it :)

2, if you want to share genuine opinions with martial artists from a wide range of backgrounds then you've come to the right place. Unfortunately the internet martial arts boards are peppered with people who only want to talk tough and look for verbal fights. We're not interested in those type of people here...those who talk tough online are usually more mouth than skill.

I'm not suggesting you're one of these people but you did get very defensive when Mel offered some friendly advice. There was no need!!!! You admit you're new to this environment of internet MA forums.....Mel is a seasoned veteran :) there's a few rules/ norms that it's better to abide by when posting and one of these is not positing in all caps as Mel explained. But now I'm repeating what others have already made clear to you.

Welcome again to the forum,

Colin

[moromoro]

thaks colin

yes you are repeating but thatts all right it is a public forum and there are rules!!

"Unfortunately the internet martial arts boards are peppered with people who only want to talk tough and look for verbal fights. We're not interested in those type of people here...those who talk tough online are usually more mouth than skill."

Youre exactly right on this point, But i guess i will probably see more of this type of examples.....

as i said before i hope to have a website up later this year i will keep you guys posted, we have plans for the future also which include seminars i will keep you guys posted on that too.....
then we will see which people can really speak up or shut up. hahaha

thanks

terry

[johndoch]

quote moro - "let this forum be for filipino martial arts practitioners"

Hi moro

The forums are for all they are set up to teach and enlighten all artists on the boards whether they have something to teach or something to ask. Dont fall into the trap of assuming the "my styles better than yours" attitude.

By the way if you check other forums on TKD, Thai, JKD etc you will not find anyone saying "this is for our style only f off".

You should try looking at other styles to increase your knowledge. As they say knowledge is power.

[Andy Murray]

Speaking of Seminars, here's a link to the Photo Gallery, with a photo of the MAP Charity Eskrima Seminar;

Group Mug Shot (http://www.martialartsplanet.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=217)

I'm in black on the far right. Yoda in the centre. Other Mappers include Liz, Greyghost, Tintin, Silver, Spike, Freeform, Fluffydoc, Elhiggito. Can't remember who else was there now.

Just reinforcing what John has just said. Folks here like to crosstrain and keep an open mind.

[pgm316]

Originally posted by YODA
Hi Melanie

Don't get the Blitz sticks. If you're training anything like properly they'll last you about a month (if you're lucky). Look for unshelled rattan - you may have to pay a little more but they will last a lot longer.

Is your Sensei qualified to teach the Filipino arts or has he just been on a couple of seminars? If he is then what style?

YODA

How did I miss this interesting debate :D

The two pair of sticks I got cost £16 a pair, and there not good. Cracks soon started appearing length ways. And thats without a real stick bashing! :eek:

How can you tell if there unshelled?

I'm not sure what style we do, its just done as an add on to the Kung fu stuff. Do they have arnis type stuff in Kung Fu?

[moromoro]

johndoch
Dont fall into the trap of assuming the "my styles better than yours" attitude.
if you have a look at my other post i do not have this attitude about the FMA.. iam a true practitioner of FMA

My only complaint is that there are also some awesome grandmasters in the philippines and elsewhere who are non commercial, some of which are better that some of the most commercial schools, and they have the past fighting victories to prove it....(these GM deserve true respect)
and also many people dont train regularly enough and some have only trained with thier systems grandmasters in seminars once a year or once every two years this is not good enough.. But even worse are those video tape practitioners,,,, The majority of practitioners in the FMA today have not experienced a real stick fight not with rattan mind you, never had a situation where a knife was involved and most have not even had a real fight...

but yet you sometimes see these people claiming that they are real masters...(bulls**t go to cebu, zamboanga or basilan and try to do this and if you survive then you got respect)
i know that GM epping atillo in cebu is trying to organise a fullcontact no protection tournament in the near future i wll keep this forum posted on this...

all i can say is dont have the attitude that your style is best because it is a commercial school, because if you really look in to its history half what your master tells you about his fighting experience and victories is bullsh*t)

thanks

and this is not a politically motivated post.

iam expecting a barrage of replys

[pgm316]

Originally posted by moromoro

all i can say is dont have the attitude that your style is best because it is a commercial school, because if you really look in to its history half what your master tells you about his fighting experience and victories is bullsh*t)


But your the only one that keeps bringing up the debate on whats best. Many of us take what we can from different styles, so the best style debate becomes irelevant ;) What do you mean by commercial school exactly? I know motives can change once an instructor is trying to make money, but a good teacher is a good teacher regardless of where they teach and if they charge.

I'd rate my skill as average with the sticks, only practicing once or twice a week, but I wasn't planning on entering a contest!

[moromoro]

I know motives can change once an instructor is trying to make money, but a good teacher is a good teacher regardless of where they teach and if they charge.

location is not an issue, it is the quality of the teacher that is, also many FMA in recent years have added a grading structure which is modelled on the japanese dan system, this is not traditional the masters who have implemented this have done so because they have opened their systems to the public and are teaching a large number of students, what would usually only take the student 3-10 years to master now takes 10-15-30years the teachers with this japanese style structure have implemented this to keep students for a longer period of time and also to keep certain techniques and teachings away from the students....
commercial schools are schools opened to the general public....
and i know that many of the people have not had the pleasure to train in the philippines (the home of eskrima) so it may be hard for you to understand where iam comming from but the quality is very different you must experience this at least once if you are a true practitioner of the FMA
also todays teaching generation are the last to have had true fighting experience many of these grandmasters are getting old now and some may not last much longer (GM ben lema passed away this jan rip) so it is important that more people study with these other grandmasters and learn as much as they can....

all iam saying and this will be the last time on this thread, is that while we still have the chance we should practice with these Grandmasters while we have the opportunity.....because they are our last link to the past...

[pgm316]

I agree with what you say moromoro. Its really important a good lineage is kept from these GM's so FMA's can continure to be taught properly. Its a lot like the JKD people on this thread, they wouldn't consider anyone a true JKD practitioner unless they have a good traceable lineage back to Bruce Lee and his original students. Sounds like your doing your bit to keep the art alive! ;)

[stump]

i've always wondered about the amount of undefeted GMs in the FMA. It seems a bit suspicious to me.

Either they're telling porkies (some are, though not all I'll bet)

I'd imagine some have picked their fights very carefully

We need Don King in Manila to sort this out immediately :)

[pgm316]

What you tryin to say stumpy ;)

My GM 'LL Ave any or your GM's any time of the week! :D

[stump]

Nothin,

I was just makin a point....not trying to stir it, honest guv :D

[moromoro]

thanks pgm316..

yes lineage is very important especially these days.

Sounds like your doing your bit to keep the art alive!
yes im trying, hopefully my website will be up this year, this will help alot..

stump, i've always wondered about the amount of undefeted GMs in the FMA. It seems a bit suspicious to me.

well i dont know but i can almost guarantee that many overexagerate the truth, most of the confrontations where contest to see who had the best skill (an exchange of skill) although they used hard wood sticks there was no way a death would have occured, another misconception of death matches where those which where organised with the city council and the police permission, in these fights both participants agreed beforehand on the type of weapon used (size, material) in these matches there where also plenty of bystanders and followers and a official, there was no way that death could have occured in these matches as well.....

thanks guys
gee this thread is bloody long now....

terry

[stump]

I know the "patayan" is usually a death match in name only. but many of these guys are claiming to be undefeated not survivors!! In my opinion they chose the fights they had pretty carefully which degrades the term "undefeated" as it suggests they are undefeated against anyone who challenged them. If they've been avoiding certain people then that doesn't bode well for their records.

[pgm316]

Who can blame them, how often would you want to risk fighting another top fighter and also the risk of injury whether you win of not. It'd be a brutal fight between two top stick fighters. I always train with the thought in mind that my opponent won't be an expert ;)

From what I can tell, its often because of students that stories are created and exagerated, then these myths and legends are created.

[stump]

Well I can tell people that I'm undefeated in the UFC and that's the truth, but it would be wrong to open a vale tudo gym and use this fact on my marketing literature!!!!!!!!

And it's the marketing that's the point here imo....or maybe i'm just off on a pointless rant again :)

[moromoro]

both good points,
but also you had to expect any challenges and sometimes people came to find you.. which made it almost impossible to turn down if a guy knocks on your door asking for a "fight" this is why you had to be ready at all times...and you have to train as if you will be fighting an expert because of this very real danger...

[pgm316]

You could always arrange the fight then pull out the day before with a bad splinter injury! :D

I'm impressed Stump, I didn't know you was unbeaten in UFC, it’s the stuff legends are made of! :)

[Andy Murray]

That wouldn't be because you never entered a UFC Colin would it???

In which case I'm indefeated too!

[officer_fujita]

Originally posted by moromoro
what would usually only take the student 3-10 years to master now takes 10-15-30years the teachers with this japanese style structure have implemented this to keep students for a longer period of time and also to keep certain techniques and teachings away from the students

Maybe because practitioners nowadays don't have as much time to practice their art as their masters did? usually, practitioners nowadays are also busy with work, school, etc. So, most of the time, their training is limited to a few hours a week.

:)

[stump]

<<<but also you had to expect any challenges and sometimes people came to find you.. which made it almost impossible to turn down if a guy knocks on your door asking for a "fight" this is why you had to be ready at all times...and you have to train as if you will be fighting an expert because of this very real danger...>>>

Moromoro, if this is the case how come there are so many "undefeated" masters walking around the Phillipines???? Methinks some of the,m weren't doing as much challenging as they aught to :)

Andy , that's my point and there's a difference between being undefeated (ie Me and pgm) and indefeated (ie you) :p
Sorry couldn't resist........but my point is these guys saying they're undefeated is not telling the full story, and exploiting people's assumptions. Some of these grandmasters will be legit and some will be bull******** wannabees....how do we tell the difference?

[pgm316]

I'd also like to take this time to announce my retirement from full contact stickfighting with my unbeaten record. No sarcastic comments from Adam please!

:D

Its a good point by Stump, instead of telling us who hasn't beaten you, tell us who you've beat! ;)

[Andy Murray]

Stump.

What's "indefeated" mean?

[stump]

<<<Stump.

What's "indefeated" mean?>>>

You tell me Andy....you said it first!!!! :D

[pgm316]

Originally posted by Andy Murray
That wouldn't be because you never entered a UFC Colin would it???

In which case I'm indefeated too!

I think we're all wondering the same thing :)

[Andy Murray]

Ah, you got me with an Arco Typo you devil you!

Next to each other on the keyboard so what can I say.

I arrogantly refuse to use spellcheckers, so that's what happens.

Call me an SOB (again).

Nah, Call me Adam!

[Cain]

Nah, Call me Adam!

How about Saddam ;)

Sorry, could'nt resist :D

|Cain|

[Andy Murray]

Hey Cain, check my sig! :D

[Cain]

Nice sig Andy, seems to fit the description ;)

wild guess on my part but pretty accurate :D

ps - that's Hussaine

[j/k]

|Cain|

[Andy Murray]

Cain,

I denounce you.

We make allowances for you being from Bombay India, but I suspect you are in fact a Scouser from Liverpool hiding your diction with the odd grammatical error.

I further add that you are a Troll of the lowest denominator, and your posts shall be struck off as a matter of due procedure, in light of your incessant ability to stick to the point.

What happened to this thread?

Damn, accidentally destroyed it.

What a shame.

:D

[moromoro]

goodbye arnis thread, this is the last page

if you look at it, it starts out rather dull, the middle is excellent and it ends rather dull also....

[Andy Murray]

Well that's a matter of perspective surely?

[Gryphon Hall]

Moromoro, if this is the case how come there are so many "undefeated" masters walking around the Phillipines???? Methinks some of the,m weren't doing as much challenging as they aught to.
Actually, it is now illegal to do any challenging anywhere, but your point is very, very, very, very good, if not the truth. Actually, I find it more comforting when some old, obviously good fighter you train with says something like "Look, kid. I am not unbeatable. Look see, I got injured here and here 'coz I made this and that mistake during the match. So when your opponent does this and that, which did me in, do this instead." Fortunately, I've met people like that and they don't go around teaching invincible arnis. Just ordinary blokes.

By the way, to keep on track, what me and my friends usually do is go to a furniture shop and buy rattan or kamagong from them with the thickness we want and have them cut it down into different lengths. It's dirt cheap but because they are furniture grade, they last reasonably long even under, er, "heavy stress". And even if it finally deteriorates, we just go back and buy some more. Really cost effective; pretty too, since it can already have designs etched or printed on it (sometimes for free), and is already primed for shellac or varnish.

What do you think? Hope it works in your locales.:D
:woo: moromoro, kung pinoy ka man, nakakahiya ka. buti't pina-alis ka na dito. kung di ka pinoy, umuwi ka na lang sa kung saan ka nanggaling at magtanim ng kamote.

[juramentado]

moromoro, kung pinoy ka man, nakakahiya ka. buti't pina-alis ka na dito. kung di ka pinoy, umuwi ka na lang sa kung saan ka nanggaling at magtanim ng kamote.

I'd like to translate this for the non-tagalog speaking FMAers here but so much "flavor" would be lost in translation. Suffice to say that no four letter words in our language were used in this statement :D

[YODA]

I'd also like to add that is if I see anything else that isn't in English I'll delete it.

Gryphon Hall: This is an English speaking forum. Post in English please.

[DeeTee]

"Moromoro, if this is the case how come there are so many "undefeated" masters walking around the Phillipines???? Methinks some of the,m weren't doing as much challenging as they aught to"

Stump, I think this a quite a sizeable generalisation. How do you know how many people are walking around claiming to be undefeated masters? The Philippines covers a very large area. It's not like the channel Isles. When I went to Manila, my in-laws were talking about taking the new super ferry down to Cebu as it was a lot faster now. I assumed it was like taking the catamaran from the Dover to Calais. When I asked how long the journey would take they told me 18 hours! Add this to the fact that there's over 7000 islands that make up the Philippines then it's quite probable there will be a number of people claiming to be undefeated - possibly in their own or neighbouring province.

The other point is that just because someone claims they've never been beaten, it doesn't necessarily mean that all those encounters have been in death matches etc. There are forms of play that many people in the west aren't aware. Have you heard of Muestracion or Palatsanay? In Paete, Laguna, there's an Eskrima tournament every year where they fight with no armour and the rules are more or less made up on the spot by the two contestants before they fight. For example it could be close quarter only, the first one to get the disarm, the first one to get the head shot (or the clear indication of the head shot i.e. pulled) etc. So under these circumstances I imagine that it is quite possible for individuals to claim being undefeated in 10's, sometimes 100's of fights. I recall my previous Instructor telling me about a conversation he had with Intin Karin. He asked him how it was possible for someone to be undefeated in over 200 fights? Karin said that most of the fights were very short and most had rules involved (such as above). We naturally make the assumption that it must have been in the ring (or it's equivalent) because the closest we've all seen to an all out stickfight is the Dog Brothers. If you look at them as an example, I know they say "No winners" etc, but Marc Denny has had over 250 fights - I think, Eric Knause must have had a similar number and have had the upper hand in the vast majority.

[Gryphon Hall]

I'd also like to add that is if I see anything else that isn't in English I'll delete it.

Gryphon Hall: This is an English speaking forum. Post in English please.
I am very sorry, I got carried away; I wanted to PM but as he was banned, I didn't think it was possible. I'm sorry. It won't happen again; everyone, please accept my apologies.

But please excuse me from translating that blurb (or at least, Master Yoda, I shall just PM the translation to you, if you want it). It's really nothing. Rather shallow of me, actually.

[valetudo74]

Hi Yoda,

From what I have gleaned from my Sensei, he was trained by Rick Clark, who was directly trained by Remy Presas. He attended a seminar with Remy just before he died and has continued his training with Rick Clark. I'm afraid I'm not sure what style he is outside of the information above - but will ask him when I see him on Monday. I'll make some enquiries re: unshelled rattan sticks over the weekend and hopefully offer some alternatives to Blitz come Monday. Thanks. (Rather pay more now, than pay little, often!) ;)


How odd, my studies in Arnis were under Rick Clark. It could be coincidence that my instructor shares the same name as another Rick Clark. Is the Rick Clark you're speaking of from North Carolina, or England? The Rick Clark I trained under in North Carolina teaches directly from Remy Presas' lineage as well. He is also a 5th Degree Black Belt and has his own style called Jop Kune Kenpo. All of my tactical weapons training and street survival training are based upon this system.

[Melanie]

How odd, my studies in Arnis were under Rick Clark. It could be coincidence that my instructor shares the same name as another Rick Clark. Is the Rick Clark you're speaking of from North Carolina, or England? The Rick Clark I trained under in North Carolina teaches directly from Remy Presas' lineage as well. He is also a 5th Degree Black Belt and has his own style called Jop Kune Kenpo. All of my tactical weapons training and street survival training are based upon this system.

Hi,

This is Ricks website - check it out and see if its the same one. :)

http://www.ao-denkou-kai.org/

[aml01_ph]

I don't have time to read the other posts so here's my tip on choosing sticks.

1. The cheapest sticks are rattan or yantok. The more expensive ones are kamagong. These are preferred since the type of wood is hard and tough enough so that after repeated bashing, the wood curves instead of just splintering.

2. For rattan sticks, choose nodes that are close together. The closer the better.

3. The black spiraling marks usualy seen on rattan sticks are mostly for aesthetic purposes. Sticks are dried to achieve the necessary toughness and to keep up with demand, these are usually done using blow torches. Sun dried is better but takes too long. Go for (2).

[aml01_ph]

Okay. I found the time to read the other posts. Too bad I missed the debate.
:(

Damn Bandwidth :yeleyes:

[ranger]

Speaking of Seminars, here's a link to the Photo Gallery, with a photo of the MAP Charity Eskrima Seminar;

Group Mug Shot (http://www.martialartsplanet.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=217)

I'm in black on the far right. Yoda in the centre. Other Mappers include Liz, Greyghost, Tintin, Silver, Spike, Freeform, Fluffydoc, Elhiggito.


Andy, I see you. :D :D :D cool :cool: gang you got there.