Was Jesus the 1st person to claim to be the messiah for the Jews?

[Fighting-Irish]

as above??
what do yee think? or is it recorded somewhere else that he wasnt?

that question just popped into my head


opinons/answers please!!.......

[Kempo Fighter]

As far as I know yes, but I could be wrong. Also, is this question going to take some odd twist into martial arts? Because that'll be creepy.

[wally]

No He wasnt.Theirs always been people claiming it and still do. I believe the bible makes mention that there were people who made those kinda claims besides Jesus. :)


PS One dark day in the middle of the night two dead boys began to fight, back to back they faced each other and drew their swords and shot each other, a deaf policeman heard the noise and came and killed the two dead boys.................. ok i dont know where that came from :eek: lol

[Capt Ann]

Several others have claimed to be the Messiah, or had others make this claim for them. Jesus was the only one to also claim to be God, and to claim He would prove it by rising from the dead.

[Joseph5]

There were actually quite a few Jewish Prophets/charismatic types that claimed to be the messiah before/during/ and after Jesus' life[within Judaism]. There is plenty information on this topic.

However, what makes Christianity so interesting is that the Jesus and his message actually inspired a religious movement that changed the face of our planet. Alot of other men who claimed to be the messiah did not have anywhere near the same impact Jesus did.

As far as Jesus claiming to be God is concerned, I'm not really convinced he ever did. Obviously some of the early Christians[the community who read the gospel of John, for example] believed this, and this is one of the major dividing points between Jews and early Christians. Even though many of the early Christians were infact Jewish. However, there is evidence within the Bible that other early Christian communities believed he was the messiah - God's suffering servant, but certainly not equal to God. This is more of a historical issue dealing with early sects of Christianity, and no one can really say that what made Jesus different from other men who claimed to be the messiah was his declaration that he was infact God. What made/makes Jesus different is his message and how it never fails to inspire people everywhere.

[Kwajman]

I didn't know of anyone before Christ who was claimed the Messiah. We have some real religious scholars here so we should get some good answers soon.

[aikiMac]

I believe the answer is "yes." There have been plenty of people after the time of Jesus who claimed to be the Messiah and/or the incarnation of Jesus, but I have never heard or read anywhere of anyone preceding Jesus who claimed to be the Messiah.

There's a very reasonable explanation for this: The Old Testament prophet Daniel foretold the exact time of the Messiah's arrival. You couldn't very well walk into the Temple and say, "Hi everybody. I'm the Messiah come early." That would not have gone over very well amongst the priests. You would have been charged with blashphemy and killed, and if you really were not the Messiah, that would suck for you.

Consequently, Jesus was the first alleged Messiah. And yes, he did arrive on the exact day that Daniel said the Messiah would arrive. Interesting.

Capt Ann pointed out another interesting tidbit: to the best of my knowledge Jesus is the only alleged Messiah out of all of the alleged Messiahs, to whom the claim of deity has been attributed, and about whom it is claimed that he died and came back to life. You gotta admit, that resurrection one is pretty cool.

[Zamfoo]

The Jews had been waiting for a messiah for a long time. A good number were pretty impatient and wanted their messiah ASAP. Didn't some people think John the Baptist was the messiah?

[aikiMac]

Didn't some people think John the Baptist was the messiah?
The question came up, anyway. (http://biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%201:19-23&version=31)

[Infrazael]

Now, I don't believe Jesus "was" the son of God. However, whether he succeeded in becoming the actual "son" of God, or was the "son of God" from the beginning I don't claim to know.

What I do claim is this:

Jesus was an EXTREMELY powerful occultist, magickian, or sorceror if you will it be so. I believe his sole agenda was to create a fundamental, nigh-indestructible religion that would consume the world, with him being deified. Thus, his soul, spirit, Kia or any other name you go by, would be able to accomplish MUCH in the afterlife, another incarnation, dimension, or some other place.

The extreme beliefs that a few had might had been enough to empower his rise from the grave. However, mere consciousness, even from extreme zealouts will probably not be enough to accomplish this feat. Who knows what length Jesus went through to achieve rebirth? This would make an absolutely fascinating research idea or a thesis. I'm sure many other mystics, etc, would be intrigued by this theory.

I am virtually positive that Jesus was simply much more cunning, dedicated, and powerful than any "would be" competitors. It is also possible that he has planned this entire event several lifetimes beforehand. Nothing is out of the question with an event as large, astounding and mysterious as the life, death and rebirth of Jesus. I for one, believe that he most likely was reborn, largely due to his own incredible powers.

As for comptetion for the position of "Messiah." There were many, but an specially notable was one by the name of Simon Magus. He was an incredibly powerful sorcerer at the time, who has also accomplished awesome feats such as feeding the masses (ie, feed conjuration), raising the dead, healing the sick or dead, and many other feats that rivaled, if not surpassed Jesus' own "miracles."

However, Simon Magus solely focused upon himself, and his own magickal paths. He did not seek to creat a religion centered around himself. Thus, his powers may have been even greater than Jesus since his focus is so self-centered, narrow, and direct. Also, later on he even managed to outperform and overpower Peter, apostle of Jesus, on many tests of magickal prowess. One example was flying, I believe this was the feat performed for a Roman Emperor (not sure which one).

Again, believe what you will. However, that is the most logical conclusion I have drawn, while taking into effect the beliefs of various religions, philosophies and practices, including Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Gnosticism, general Occult, Paganism and so on.

It is the only one that actually makes sense.

Feel free to discuss

Peace,

Infrazael

[wally]

Hey Infrazeal i was curious were you recieved ur info from concerning this guy -

"As for comptetion for the position of "Messiah." There were many, but an specially notable was one by the name of Simon Magus. He was an incredibly powerful sorcerer at the time, who has also accomplished awesome feats such as feeding the masses (ie, feed conjuration), raising the dead, healing the sick or dead, and many other feats that rivaled, if not surpassed Jesus' own "miracles."

However, Simon Magus solely focused upon himself, and his own magickal paths. He did not seek to creat a religion centered around himself. Thus, his powers may have been even greater than Jesus since his focus is so self-centered, narrow, and direct. Also, later on he even managed to outperform and overpower Peter, apostle of Jesus, on many tests of magickal prowess. One example was flying, I believe this was the feat performed for a Roman Emperor (not sure which one)."


thanks

wally :)

[Infrazael]

Just google him. I originally heard of him through my research and study into the Gnostics, and later on he was also mentioned in my research on Aleister Croweley.

Pretty interesting guy.