best silat videos in the world

[elbowblast]

I hereby nominate my top five silat videos. Actually I have only seen The Robert Torres Kalasag Kuntao series 1-3 so here is the first three in my list of five.

Kalasag Tape 1 - My fave because of the footwork and basic concepts covered. It really opens alot of doors and spurs me on to alot of experimentation. Makes alot of sense to me from my Kali point of view.

Kalasag tape 2 - I really like the basic entries and followups that are introduced with each form. I wish his partner was shown resisting a little more as Robert went over the entries and followups (more drill-like) but I guess he wouldnt get through all the forms then.

Kalasag tape 3 - I love the grappling and the head/neck/arm takedowns blew me away but I had a hard time figuring out why Robert's partner was falling down in some spots instead of stepping back to catch his balance, okay, I know that watching silat is SOOOOO limited and I am seeking to get to feel it now. I would love to have had this expanded into at least a three or four tape series on the grappling takedowns alone as I only get a couple basic concepts of this tape due to its abbreviated nature.

I am quite interested in Nubreed's and Pesilat's top five tapes. And Nubreed isnt allowed to nominate his own series (I am considering getting some by the way. Choices, choices) My first purchases will be Tucci's Maphilindo series, and I am torn as to what to get after that.

Elbowblast - master of the flying, spinning headbutt.

[pesilat]

I am quite interested in Nubreed's and Pesilat's top five tapes. And Nubreed isnt allowed to nominate his own series (I am considering getting some by the way. Choices, choices) My first purchases will be Tucci's Maphilindo series, and I am torn as to what to get after that.

Elbowblast - master of the flying, spinning headbutt. [/B]

I've seen a couple of Roberto's tapes and they're good.

My first recommendation would be Guru Stevan Plinck's Serak video (not the Paladin Press one, though it's not bad) - available on his website at http://www.pencaksilat.com

I'd recommend Guru Dan Inosanto's "New World of Martial Arts" from VDT Academy. Guru Dan shows some of the similarities between the Chinese, Indonesian, and Filipino martial arts.

Rick Tucci's vids are good, too.

I'd also recommend Pak Herman Suwanda's vids if you can find any of them.

Bob Orlando's "Indonesian Fighting Fundamentals" (at least I think that's what the vid is called ... I know that's what the book is called) is a good vid, too.

Mike

[Arnisador78]

I went to a seminar instructed by Roberto Torres, he is awesome. It made me want to study Indonesian martial arts, although there are no intsructors around here that I know of.

I have not seen the videos, but judging by his seminar, I am sure they are great.

[pesilat]

Originally posted by Arnisador78
I went to a seminar instructed by Roberto Torres, he is awesome. It made me want to study Indonesian martial arts, although there are no intsructors around here that I know of.

I have not seen the videos, but judging by his seminar, I am sure they are great.

I see that you're in Florida. I actually know a couple of people in Florida who teach some Silat (specifically, Kuntao Silat de Thouars which is one of the things that Roberto has trained in, too).

Where are you in Florida?

Mike

[Arnisador78]

I am in Orlando. Know anyone around my neck of the woods?

[pesilat]

Originally posted by Arnisador78
I am in Orlando. Know anyone around my neck of the woods?

Actually, yeah. I know a couple of people down that way. One is a JKD/Kali guy. He's had some exposure to Silat, but doesn't teach it. He's a good guy, though, and a good martial artist.

But for Silat (or, more specifically, Kuntao Silat de Thouars), check this website: http://www.twindragonsmartialarts.com/kuntao_family.htm

I don't know how close any of them are to you, but if no one is close to you, you can contact them and see if they know anyone close to you.

Good luck, Mike

[Arnisador78]

Is the jkd/kali guy's name Troy?

[pesilat]

Originally posted by Arnisador78
Is the jkd/kali guy's name Troy?

Nope. It's Brian. But he has a partner whose name I don't remember. Might be Troy, but I don't know.

Mike

[elbowblast]

Anyone seen any of the 24 part Serak Tape Series available at the Victor De thouars VDT site? It looks like a pretty in depth series but I am wondering how much application and concepts are in with the patterns and forms.

Elbowblast.

[pesilat]

Originally posted by elbowblast
Anyone seen any of the 24 part Serak Tape Series available at the Victor De thouars VDT site? It looks like a pretty in depth series but I am wondering how much application and concepts are in with the patterns and forms.

Elbowblast.

Nope. Haven't seen any of those vids. But Pak Vic is very much about application. I would imagine that they are covered in the vids, but, as I say, I haven't seen them so can't say for sure.

Mike

[elbowblast]

Pesilat,

okay, I took the plunge and ordered Plincks video from his website,,,,,,,,,,,,,I eagerly await.

BY the way, how much of your Kali footwork crosses over into silat territory and vice versa? They seem very similiar from what Ive seen.

elbowblast

[pesilat]

Originally posted by elbowblast
Pesilat,

okay, I took the plunge and ordered Plincks video from his website,,,,,,,,,,,,,I eagerly await.

BY the way, how much of your Kali footwork crosses over into silat territory and vice versa? They seem very similiar from what Ive seen.

elbowblast

Cool. I don't think you'll be disappointed with Guru Plinck's vid.

Well, they both use a lot of triangles. There is some overlap. But there are also quite a few differences.

Mike

[Nubreed]

Here is a list of my video's that I've collected through the years!

Pak Su Noor Silat Terlak Empat ( in Bahasa but a good tape )
Langkah Empat Silat Pendaker Jafri (good tape)

Guru Charles Joussot (All French but good)
> Setia Hati Terate 1
> Setia Hati Terate 2
> Setia Hati Terate 3
> Setia Hati Terate 4
> Setia Hati Terate 5 Bodyguarding

Sapik Kalo Silat 1 <very good tapes
> Sapik Kalo Silat 2
> Sapik Kalo Silat 3
> Sapik Kalo Silat 4
> Sapik Kalo Silat 5

Combat Silat Video's <very good tapes
Pencak Silat Pertempuran
Ales
Masukan
Tangkapan
Kuncian dan Timbilan

Home movies:
Goh family kuntao (filippino)
Silat Groundfighting (filippino)
Tat kuntao (filippino)
Alex Co: Ngo Cho Kun raw footage from a filming project

All great tapes
The New World of Martial Arts with Guro Dan Inosanto
Serak silat- Victor De Thouras and Dan Inosanto
Pukulan Pentjak Silat & Serak Video's
by Guru Steven Plinck
Maphilindo Silat Vol. 1-2 by Guro Rick Tucci
Mande Mude vol. 1-5
American Kuntao Silat video's by Chas Clemans

I have may more but this will give you an idea of some good tapes!

[krys]

The Charles Joussolt video are the best I've seen, he was one of my silat instructors....

Where were you able to get the

Goh family kuntao (filippino)
Silat Groundfighting (filippino)
Tat kuntao (filippino)
Alex Co: Ngo Cho Kun raw footage from a filming project ?

Thanks,
Christian.

[Nubreed]

My five best video picks!


1. Pencak Silat Ratu Adil Vol. 1-2 Pak Master Ter Linden
he was an Awesome man with an awesome art! I'm hoping to get with one of his instructors out of Portland very soon. Noel Shavers and learn more about this art!

2. Kalasag Kuntao Silat #1-#2 by Tuhon Roberto Torres
(what can you say about Tuhon Torres, he's very good) I'd like to make sure I was on his side in a street fight!


3. Pentjak Silat Buti Negara by Pendaker Paul De Thouars
(awesome stuff) I learned alot from Narin Lanhittham about this art! He is one of Guru Steven Plincks instructors


4. Herman Suwanda Mande Mude Pencak Silat vol. 1-5 (tied w/)
Pukulan Pentjak Silat & Serak Video's
by Guru Steven Plinck

5. Combat Silat Video's <very good tapes
Pencak Silat Pertempuran
Ales
Masukan
Tangkapan
Kuncian dan Timbilan




I would like to mention these vids too!

Kali Empty hands #1-3 by Steve Grody
He likes to talk alot, but when he moves he's good!

Fighting Arts of Indonesia by Bob Orlando
His vid is good, but he is better in person!

Pencak Silat Cimade by Sanders
Plenty of information, with a different attitude of movement!

Secrets of silat by Steve Gartin (he gives you some good info. on Silat training and attitudes)

Serak Tongkat Silat by Pak Victor (one of Pak Victors first vids)



The home video's below where a gift from a friend of mine!
Goh family kuntao (filippino)
Silat Groundfighting (filippino)
Tat kuntao (filippino)
Alex Co: Ngo Cho Kun Taw footage from a filming project

Well that's it for me!

[taliosarah]

Oh! SO cool! ...to see such positive/kind words on my father's tapes & what he teaches.
Hey elbowblast where are you located perhaps you can feel silat soon. Our new site is up & if you'd like to complete your set... my dad's video "KALASAG KUNTAO SILAT Part 4: Sandatas (Weapons)" is also available at our site.

[mdz81]

I´m interested in exchange Filipino/indonesian martialarts. Interested pleasesend me your list to: shuaijiao@terra.es
Thanks

[Silat Junkie]

Selamat Ben!

Thanks for your kind words on my vids and for including them in your top 5! I appreciate it very much.

Hormat saya.

[Bobster]

Although it was mentioned, I just wanted to say "The Explosive Art of Pentjak Silat Serak" has an AWESOME clip of Dan Inosanto really opening up in a flower dance. This dude is in his 60's, and he still moves like a jaguar. It was worth the price of the video just to own that!

Although the Serak tapes are cool, you will need the phase tapes, sold only to members of the school, to really connect them. Nonetheles, Pak Vic does show some excellent technique.

Roberto Torres makes the grade in his vids, he showes good quality & plenty of technique & application. You can't go wrong with his stuff.

Anything by the late Eddie Jaffri is worthwhile.

If you can get your hands on Pak Herman Suwanda's "Silat Documentary" it has a great display of lots of silat. Let me chime in here about Stevan Plinck's video as well, it holds a wealth of info for the advanced practitioner as well as the novice.


Bobbe Edmonds

[grimel]

Originally posted by pesilat
Nope. Haven't seen any of those vids. But Pak Vic is very much about application. I would imagine that they are covered in the vids, but, as I say, I haven't seen them so can't say for sure.

Mike

I love Pak Vic to death, but his entry level videos will screw up your head. If you can't get hands on from someone in his lineage get Plinck's tapes. IMO, Pak has been doing it so long he occasionally drifts from one level to another to yet another which can be very confusing to a beginner. If you are familiar with the ideas they are fine.

IMO, the best silat tape is VDT's Blades of Thunder Vol 1 (just released this month, taped last month). I'm biased, my instructor does the applications.

[wt77]

what do you thing about joseph simonet serak videos paladin ones??
sanders videos are great
and the late hermand swanda videos too, i don´t see any of his sister videos yet!!!
richard de bordes harimau videos are good too

[Ular Sawa]

My favorite would be the Cimande series by William Sanders especially
the newer stuff. :D

I've got a couple by Eddie Jaffri which are better if you've already
got a background.

The most unique Silat video in my library is a video someone shot of a seminar by Richard DeBordes. I would hate to have been the guy Guru
DeBordes demonstrated his techniques on. He was not gentle.

I also like the Terlinden videos and one I have by Willem De Thouars. Unfortunately, I have not seen any Suwanda or Torres.

[Herk]

Bringing back an old thread! Hey guys, do any of these videos go over and explain in detail the bone conditioning of the forearms and shins, ala the Cimande conditioning? I am really interested in how they do this.

Also, if the bone/limb conditioning actually has a name, I'd like to know it. Thanks!

Ular Sawa, help me out here. As a side note, I've been trying to get in contact with Guru Wilson from the VA school, and so far no response at all. I'm sure he busy, but wanted to check with you to see if he is even still teaching Cimande. Also, any of the cimande.com or cimande.net videos go over this stuff?

Thanks again.

[pesilat]

Bringing back an old thread! Hey guys, do any of these videos go over and explain in detail the bone conditioning of the forearms and shins, ala the Cimande conditioning? I am really interested in how they do this.

Also, if the bone/limb conditioning actually has a name, I'd like to know it. Thanks!

Ular Sawa, help me out here. As a side note, I've been trying to get in contact with Guru Wilson from the VA school, and so far no response at all. I'm sure he busy, but wanted to check with you to see if he is even still teaching Cimande. Also, any of the cimande.com or cimande.net videos go over this stuff?

Thanks again.

I don't know about vids that cover it - in my personal opinion, that'd be a hard thing to do since there would be a lot of danger in people trying to condition without a guide to keep them from doing it incorrectly (which could cause some really bad problems.

I've never heard a specific name for the conditioning - except "pure, unadulterated hell" which was my personal tag for it ;)

As far as how it's done, I can only speak for how my instructor did it and, by extension, how I do it and how I'd assume my instructor's instructor (Pak Herman Suwanda) did it. The first 5 jurus (at least as Mande Muda teaches them) are conditioning jurus. And they're progressive. So #1, when first learned, does very light conditioning because until the proper body mechanics are learned, it's difficult to get much juice on it. #2 is slightly more. #3 more still. #4 & #5 are brutal conditioners because it's hard to be nice with them even if you wanted to do so.

What we actually do (i.e.: me and my instructor) is teach #3 first. #3 gives both good conditioning and a lot of control for placement of hits both on the giving and receiving arms. So we teach it first and "walk lines" (with the Cimande footwork) making sure to give good coverage both in where we're hitting our partner's arm and what part of our arm we're hitting with. The idea is to get even conditioning along the length of the forearm bone. Common mistakes include turning your opponent's arm too far and actually hitting meat instead of bone, glancing off instead of hitting through (this cheats both people), too much tension in the arm of either the giver or receiver (it's a body's natural reaction to that type of pain - sheath the bone in muscle/tissue to protect the bone and lessen the pain - but it leads to lessened conditioning and really bad tissue bruising).

After a good beating, then the real hell - er, I mean, fun - begins. We break out the balur (a liniment similar in concept to Chinese Dit Da Jao but with different ingredients - at least according to people I know who are familiar with both types of recipes, personally, I don't know much about the production of either except that there are many recipes and types of Jao). We massage the balur into the arms. The massage is pretty specific - and I'm here to tell you, it's no namby-pamby feel good massage, it hurts. But it does it's job well. It breaks up the bruises, gets the blood circulating through the forearms properly again, and helps things heal faster from the beating (and the healing is really where the conditioning takes place).

I've not done the Cimande shin conditioning. The only shin conditioning I'm at all familiar with is Muay Thai - and I'm only familiar with that through hearsay. All the shin conditioning I've done has come through "energetic" sapus and while sparring - especially sparring some Muay Thai guys.

Don't know if that helps or not but that's a synopsis of how we do it.

I'd love to hear from other Cimande players about this :)

Mike

[Herk]

Thanks Mike, that helps a lot. I've seen and felt some of the forearm conditioning, but I do know that there is an actual process, and I'm trying to find a reference for it. I'm wondering if some of the tapes I've seen that go over the jurus will be a decent enough reference. I'd really like to find a silat/cimande school, but if that doesn't work, a book or video is my next best step.

Oh, and I've felt what a conditioned forarm feels like, so I WANT SOME!!!!!!

Ditto with the shins, but that was in Muay Thai training. The Cimande shin conditioning seems more targeted and actually not as detrimental in the long run. I'm starting to get old and I don't want to lose any movement quicker than is already happening.

Thanks again,
Raul

PS. Watching Guro Ken Pennel on the Sayoc Kerambit video was what really got me interested in Silat. He is supposed to be coming out to my martial arts school again in Oct for a seminar. I unfortunately missed his first one.

[pesilat]

Thanks Mike, that helps a lot. I've seen and felt some of the forearm conditioning, but I do know that there is an actual process, and I'm trying to find a reference for it. I'm wondering if some of the tapes I've seen that go over the jurus will be a decent enough reference. I'd really like to find a silat/cimande school, but if that doesn't work, a book or video is my next best step.

Oh, and I've felt what a conditioned forarm feels like, so I WANT SOME!!!!!!

Ditto with the shins, but that was in Muay Thai training. The Cimande shin conditioning seems more targeted and actually not as detrimental in the long run. I'm starting to get old and I don't want to lose any movement quicker than is already happening.

Thanks again,
Raul

PS. Watching Guro Ken Pennel on the Sayoc Kerambit video was what really got me interested in Silat. He is supposed to be coming out to my martial arts school again in Oct for a seminar. I unfortunately missed his first one.

Cool. His last name is actually "Pannell" - but it gets messed up a lot :)

Yeah, Guru Ken's his forearms are the hardest arms that I've personally ever felt except for Pak Herman Suwanda and Uncle Bill de Thouars (but Uncle Bill seems to be hard all over and I think he had that conditioning before he got to his Cimande training).

Where are you located?

Yeah, as I understand it, the Cimande shin conditioning is less detrimental than MT conditioning can be. But I haven't really seen either - just heard a little about them - so I can't personally say. Guru Ken is familiar with the Cimande shin conditioning and did it when he was in Indonesia training with Pak Herman. In the standard Sikal curriculum the Cimande jurus are brought out and the basic walking and the forearm conditioning is optional now (when I was going through it, he never mentioned that we had an option :) - but our group in those days was small and crazy anyway, we'd have all opted to do it regardless). As far as I know, there's only one guy that Guru Ken has done the shin conditioning with and he specifically asked for it all and is the only full guru that Guru Ken has made in Cimande. The other 5 gurus under Guru Ken are gurus in Sikal so we have some elements of Cimande - i.e.: the forearm conditioning, jurus 1 - 20, seated and walking - but we don't have the full Cimande curriculum that Guru Ken teaches which includes the shin conditioning, all the jurus (I believe there are 36), the Sabitan (a knife system that Pak Uyuh Suwanda developed based on Cimande and built around a specific blade he designed), the langkahs, etc.

Mike

[Herk]

Whoops, sorry about that. I corrected someone about that last week and then I go and spell his name incorrectly. I'll leave it on the original post as a referenece to my stupidity!

I'm in Northern VA, and train Sayoc at the Trident Academy in Woodbridge, VA with Guro Todd Gilbert. He trains a little silat on the side, and trains under Guru Pannell, not to mention there is some silat in Sayoc. BUT, I want to learn it on a more exclusive basis. Meaning I want to study a silat exclusive curriculm for a while. It seems very very interesting.

Anyway, my search continues, and hopefully Guru Pannell will allow Guro Todd to teach in a more formal manner in the future.

Raul

[pesilat]

Whoops, sorry about that. I corrected someone about that last week and then I go and spell his name incorrectly. I'll leave it on the original post as a referenece to my stupidity!

I'm in Northern VA, and train Sayoc at the Trident Academy in Woodbridge, VA with Guro Todd Gilbert. He trains a little silat on the side, and trains under Guru Pannell, not to mention there is some silat in Sayoc. BUT, I want to learn it on a more exclusive basis. Meaning I want to study a silat exclusive curriculm for a while. It seems very very interesting.

Anyway, my search continues, and hopefully Guru Pannell will allow Guro Todd to teach in a more formal manner in the future.

Raul

LOL. Not a problem. I've done the same thing (not with Guru Ken's name, of course, but with other people's names).

Anyway - I've heard good stuff about your group there at Trident. At some point, I'll make it down your way, I'm sure :)

Mike

[Wali]

The best ones I have seen are 'Íntroduction to Pencak Silat' by Steve Benitez. It's an introduction video, which talks about the history, and all the different aspects of silat (Groundwork, Upright, Kembangan, weapons, etc...)

I think it's only available in the UK at the moment, and that more professional DVD sets have been made, and are in the pre-production stage.

I heard the Herman Suwanda ones are good also, but haven't seen them.

Cheers
Wali

[bernie]

aloha !

Those interested in getting any of Pak Herman's tapes in wither VHS format , any country or DVD's can email me directly for information, prices, etc.
mahalo