What is the ideal height/weight of MArtist?

[magnus]

I realize this is a somewhat subjective question...but here goes anyway.

Assuming low body fat and high lean muscle, how tall and heavy do you think an ideal fighter should be?

I'm thinking around 5'11" (180 cm) and 180 lbs (81.6 Kg)....


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[Marku]

kinda depends on who you would want to fight..

Tall or small or whatever, all has they're advantages or disadvantages.

[pesilat]

Originally posted by magnus
I realize this is a somewhat subjective question...but here goes anyway.

Assuming low body fat and high lean muscle, how tall and heavy do you think an ideal fighter should be?

I'm thinking around 5'11" (180 cm) and 180 lbs (81.6 Kg)....


This might help for the multinational folk out there:
http://www.onlineconversion.com

I'm thinking that it doesn't really matter :) We are each as large or small as we are ... we just have to develop our tools to the best of our abilities.

I don't think there is an "ideal." There simply "is what is."

Mike

[WhiteWizard]

surely this is just as crazy a question as which MA is best no offence meant here by the way.
but surely the point is to allow all shapes and sizes to be equally as good. even the triangle people :D.

[wayofthedragon]

Hmmm....I'm thinking that there isn't an idea size for a fighter.
And I agree with you guys

[YODA]

Personally - the best "size" for me is about 12.5st / 175lbs / 79.5k

Pity I'm approaching 15st / 210lbs / 95.5k :(

I sense a change coming though :D

[Bon]

Taller, heavier & stronger than your opponent.

[MATT_LIQUID]

Originally posted by YODA
Personally - the best "size" for me is about 12.5st / 175lbs / 79.5k

Pity I'm approaching 15st / 210lbs / 95.5k :(

I sense a change coming though :D

How tall are you Yoda?

I'm 5ft10 140lbs 10stone 18 years old
neck-15"
arms-14"
chest-41" relaxed
waist-29"
quads-21"
calves-14"

my goal is

I wan't to be 5ft10-11 180lbs 21 years old :yeleyes:
neck-16"
arms-15-16"
chest-44" relaxed
waist-31"
quads-23-24"
calves-15-16"

That would be perfect fighting meusurements, height and weight

-l\/l/\TT

[pesilat]

Currently I'm:

5'8" - 195 lbs. (about 14 stone) - 32 years old
Neck: 16"
Arms: 15"
Chest: 44.5" (relaxed)
Waist: 34.5"
Quads: 21.5"
Calfs: 17.5"

I wear a size 12 ring (11 on my pinkie), and size 13 shoes. "I'm a little tree stump, short and stout" ;)

Not sure what those measurements mean outside the US. I think my shoe size is a 44 in European measures ... but I could be wrong. If I had hairy arms and legs, I'd be a short sasquatch (I do have a hairy chest and back but, for some reason, my arms/legs aren't that hairy).

Not sure why I took that tangent ... but there it is :)

And, I gotta say, that's my "ideal" fighting size ... because that's what I've got. A couple of years ago, I was (approximately):
5'8" and 285 lbs. (20 stone)
Neck: 18"
Arms: 16.5"
Chest: 46"
Waist: 43.5"
Quads and calfs - don't know ... never measured them before to have any kind of estimate

I'm in much better shape now ... but I was as far as fighting ... Then I had more mass but less mobility. Now I have more mobility, but less mass. It's kind of a trade off.

Mike

[khafra]

I think that seven and a half foot, 200 KG K-1 guy will do pretty well, actually.

[_Gohan_]

Im currently:

189 cm and 92kg :D

Ohh yah and im 14 yrs old so im pretty big for my age

(soon 190 cm i hope :p)

[JediMasterChris]

189 cm? That is well over 6 ft. I am 183 cm (6ft) I think and I am 54 Kg I think. (144 lbs) I hope I got the conversion right.

[Swoop]

The bigger the better. Size makes up for what you may lack in skill. Look at Bob Sapp. If he was the same size as the average HW he would never beat anyone. He doesn't have much skill but the fact that he is so huge makes up for it.

[movado]

this is always an interesting topic.hey yoda,arent you solid snake in the "intense training"discussion board?i recognize that tale of the tape tale you put.for the record i'm bolo73 in that board.
anyway.yeah.i like this topic.at 18 and 5'8 138 i was a machine of endurance.i have the home video footage as proof.now at 33,5'9 182 lbs i am a big tiresome dog when it comes to kickbox aerobics.after all.that is a transformation froma a junior welterweight to a cruiserweight.
bruce lee at 5'7 140 had the power of a killer 200 lb'er,coupled with the speed and grace of your typical lightening fast flyweight shaolin fighter.this was probably the ultimate combination of street fighting qualities amongst the more or less average person.if you consider the ufc fighters then your dealing with another demension of unworldly proportions.bruce lee went for real world power meaning that he wanted to be ready to do anything that required the combination of agility,speed,endurance,power and strength while maintaining that particular physique which resembles the most fit muay tai fighter combined with the dazzling flexibility that it took to perform those unforgettable cinamatic breakthroughs that he brought to the screen.
back to the big brutes though.the" big show"aka-paul white,as he's known to wwe fans is a mammoth goliath.there is no one who compares to the jaw dropping size this bohemoth posseses.at 7'2 500 lbs he is a walking,talking,breathing (6'6 300 lb) midget stomping phenomenon period.brock lessner at 6'5 295 is dwarfed by this mighty joe young replica.
this of course is another worldly demension of ultimate proportions too unempowering for even a brock lessner to get into and discuss.
i think rakishi fatu at 6'4 380 lbs is impressive though and not overly too huge.he posseses stunning kicks as well.that's the islander wrestler on wwe.rob van damm at 6'0 230 was quite impressive.t i j i r i and ultimo dragon.both around 5'10 190-200 are extremely agile and powerfull enough to make many brutes cringe.then of course there's the 5'4 160 lb phenomenon known as rey mysterio who uses a more acrobatic style as opposed to the arial kicking style emphasized by van damm,t i j i r i & ultimo dragon.
put it this way.a 5'8 138 lb movado wins in a taekwondo matchup against a 182 lb movado but loses in wrestling and gets clocked in boxing unless he moves excactly like sugar ray leonard.

[Grifter]

Ok i agree with Marku, it really depends on what type of fighter you are.

ok i have to be the one of the smallest people on the forum.
5'8"(173cm) 120lbs(54kg) 17yrs
Chest:30
Arm:11
Neck:13
I know im huge what can i say.

[Jazman]

definetely one of the smallest!
I think the ideal fighter is:
6'2"
200 lbs.
16" neck
32" waist
16" arms( approximately)

this seems to be the perfect size :D

[SoKKlab]

Bob Sapp,
who is 348 pounds or some such, was recently destroyed by the Brazilian fighter Minotauro, who weighs 208 in a Vale Tudo/ NHB match. Does this mean that superior skill has won out in this case against Brute size and strength?

Looking back to the first few UFC matches. In UFC four or five, I remember Paul Varalens (Apols for spelling) who was 6 foot 8 and 360 pounds getting destroyed by Tank Abbott who was 5 foot 11 and Two hundred forty pounds.

In UFC 8 or 9 Don Frye (A very talented wrestler and boxer) weighing 208 pounds beat the crap out of Gary Goodridge who is a 248 pound Power lifter/ Kuk Sool Won stylist, by superior skill and well timed aggression. Goodridge recently knocked out K-1 fighter Bernardo...

I guess aggression, speed, timing, accuracy, skill must hold out for something.

In the K-1 Ernesto Hoost was kicking the pants off Bob Sapp, until he made the mistake of trying to trade punches inside Sapps guard.

I only point all this out, because I am two foot six and weigh 65 pounds and am wondering what my chances are...?

[RichardThrower]

FONT=arial]I think that the jury is still out on this question. I know many martialist that don't look like Goku from DragonBall Z (I know, I know... but I like martial art cartoons) and they can take someone out as well if not better than the person that does. However, I feel that it all depends on the person, their adaptablity, strength, speed, and their drive to succeed while sparing or fighting, as well as any other physical gifts. Like when you try to find the "best style" it all depends on the person.[/FONT]

[Jazman]

I look a little like Goku, around the right size, same hair, maybe that means something... :D

[AlexFowler]

I'd say as long as it doesn't hurt your speed or technique (which it inevitably would, but for the sake of argument let's say it doesn't), you'd want to be as big as possible.

[Knight_Errant]

would being big hurt your speed? I'd have thought the reverse would be true.

[Kwan Jang]

-Define "Big". Are we talking greater lean body mass developed in the proper strength curves/proportions? If so, yes, greater mass will help your speed, just like putting in a more powerful engine. If by "big" you mean just gaining bodyfat to have more weight, then no, this would be like having the same engine and pulling along a trailer behind your car. As far as the original post topic; I believe the ideal hight and weight of a fighter is whatever size you are. Make the most of it. However, increasing your athletic abilities by cross-training w/ a good cardio, stretching, and weight training program is a definite advantage. My current bodyweight is 252 lbs. (I fluctuate between 248-260 depending on how intense my training is-I have a very fast metabolism, even as I'm approaching 40, and I have to train very intense and heavy to maintain size, if I don't, I lose size.) My current measurements are (in inches): Neck 18 1/2; Chest-54; Arms-21"; Waist-31; Thigh-30; Calf-19 1/2. My bodyfat is usually around 7-8%. I used to compete in both powerlifting and bodybuilding, and these stats were better then, but now I'm more into it for health, fitness, and improving my athltic prowess. P.S.-Just for the record (I'm only bringing this up because of the common myths), I am far faster now than when I began strength training. I can do full splits (both ways) cold. I have always cross-trained w/cardio, but at times when I slack, it still stays pretty good. I can do jump split kicks, double leg 540's, and 720's. So all the myths about being big or training w/ weights is simply not true. I do find on some jump kicks and tricks, my weight makes the landings a bit rougher, but I have really small joints and Have had some knee injuries.

[Taniko]

I say size has a small % to do with it. The part of the equation youre missing is form, or body symmetry. That in my opinion is the largest determining factor. For example, Im 6'2" (189.4cm) 199lbs. Seems kinda impressive to most. BUT, I have a large long head, long torso, short legs and no delts. I have pretty big arms, but my deltoids are almost non existant. Thats where a large portion of a mans strength comes from. But of course, one cant be 5'2" 140lbs and compete with a man 6' 190lbs with the same speed, dexterity and skill and more strength. When ever you see an example of the smaller man winning, he made up in skill, speed or some other attribute that the larger mans strength wasnt able to over come. Its all relative. But to answer the question, Id say anywhere from 5'10" to 6'4" 180lbs - 220lbs would be the ideal size. Any bigger and physics takes over and puts one at a disatvantage. Thats just my opinion.