Groin shots against women

[Casado]

Are they as effective against woman as against men? Can all techniques be used equally against both sexes?

[KickChick]

A groin kick will hurt a female as well as a male.
A fellow female student took a hit in the groin several months ago and she said the swelling was unbelieveable! She now wears a groin protector when she spars.
When it comes to the groin (male or female), no manner of conditioning or weight training can make this area impervious to strikes.
We are talking groin "strikes" here... there are "other" self defense techniques which involve only a males' groin area (as in Susan Smith's SD book "Fear or Freedom") ... we females don't have to worry about that particular technique called the "twist".

[Adam]

But is it just as harmful to a woman as it is to a man? A well-planted kick to the balls will send almost everyone to his knees and they make me want to throw up or faint as well.

[johndoch]

I know a guy (name withheld) who got punched while carrying on with his girlfriend. One of his Balls blew up 3 times its normal size and twisted some of the tubes up. He had to have it operated on to correct it.

He even said that it wasnt a hard shot but the pain he suffered for months after was murder.

I dont think women appreciate how senssitive a guys nuts can be :( :eek:

[pgm316]

It just can't be as painfull for women! It can't be! :eek:

[Casado]

A fellow female student took a hit in the groin several months ago and she said the swelling was unbelieveable! She now wears a groin protector when she spars.

Yes I'm sure it hurts, but surely it dosen't compare to what a man would experience! :eek: I have heard that when fighting some blokes can withdraw their testies into their bodies for protection!! Maybe that's just b@ll@x!!!:D

[Darkflight]

Reminds me of the 'Bottom' skit:

"All I need to do is go up to policemen and go '****er, ****er' and bingo! ingested testicles!"

[Cain]

I can't imagine it hurts women more! :eek:

Getting kicked in the nads definitely ain't a pleasent thing :eek:

|Cain|

[KickChick]

Originally posted by pgm316
It just can't be as painfull for women! It can't be! :eek:

No obviously not the same "pain" .... but painful none the less.

Every person , be they male or female, depending on many factors, such as physical conditioning, amount of body fat, and thickness of clothing, has their vulnerable or invulnerable areas.

Do not assume that because a particular target strike is effective on one person that the same strike will be effective on another person... male or female. I've seen some guys take a strike to the groin and shrug it off and some that fall to the ground in tears... and some knocked out entirely unconscious!

[Sonshu]

I have seen a few hit in the neather region - the response is pain but..............................

I have never seen them fall directly to there knees on a concrete floor screaming in pain and rolling around from a not to hard shot.

Guess they both hurt but I have a very high pain threshold - however - smooth as a babies bum there and its 90% of the time fight over for me.

SONSHU

[Jim]

smooth as a babies bum there and its 90% of the time fight over for me.
Sorry, I read this line 4 times and it still doesn't make sense... :confused:

[lasso]

Trying to make this sound as tasteful as possible...women unusually...make..for....er, smaller ,,,uh more....out of the way targets......:o ............

...........For those who didn't get that don't ask me to elaborate!:o :eek: :o

[AlexFowler]

No woman will ever know how that feels...it's extremely painful but more than that it's not like any other kind of pain, it's just indescribable and completely unlike any other kind of pain you can experience.

[KickChick]

Originally posted by AlexFowler
No woman will ever know how that feels...it's extremely painful but more than that it's not like any other kind of pain, it's just indescribable and completely unlike any other kind of pain you can experience.


You're talking "pain".... I'm sure it doesn't even compare or come close to "childbirth".....

No man will ever know how that feels ... :woo:

So we're even???:Angel:


So what exactly happens when someone (whether they be female or male) is hit in the groin area and what should you do?


Groin Injury (http://www.emedicine.com/sports/topic162.htm)

[Sonshu]

Or is that not the case?

Also we have the 9 months before as well!

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

(Retreats cowardly to his box) :woo:


SONSHU

[AsSaSiN]

Yeah, Kids can bring pain and joy together amazingly well :D

[paul paterson]

I just love AsSaSiN's line....

Both men and women will feel pain some more than others, again the pain threshold can be stronger or weaker than in others.

If you hit the Pubic Bone with any strike, the most obvious thing will happen...PAIN, followed by a constant burning sensation of pissing oneself. At this point some people have been known to die of the shock of the pain, then comes the blood. As you pee your body will be bleeding and thus you start to go into shock, its that shock that either makes you or breaks you.

The groin is not just the genitals, its a big area and covers the pubic bone mass and bowels, your side walls of the inner thighs, and of course your "whats-its".

It has been known for men's balls to be torn off as well as the p***s, but do remember they must have been wearing some very baggy shorts at the time. Normally though, a mans nuts when hit will not make him fall in dire pain and thats why hitting the pubic bone is a far better bet. For a lady, well... a well placed foot would do plenty of damage as well using most strikes. Again please remember that a women's pelvic ploor is by far weaker and thinner than a man's, hence one of the many reasons for that big hole in the pelvis.

Paul Paterson.

[AlexFowler]

Originally posted by KickChick
You're talking "pain".... I'm sure it doesn't even compare or come close to "childbirth".....

No man will ever know how that feels ... :woo:

So we're even???:Angel:


So what exactly happens when someone (whether they be female or male) is hit in the groin area and what should you do?


Groin Injury (http://www.emedicine.com/sports/topic162.htm)

Not saying it's more painful than childbirth (there's no way to prove it's more or less painful, since no-one will ever experience both), but it's a completely different kind of pain from anything else...from what I've heard about childbirth, it's extremely painful but not a unique kind of pain, getting hit in the balls is a type of pain that you can't experience any other way. No way to describe it if you've never experienced it.

[Saz]

The fact that men feel that much pain when hit in the groin has probably saved quite a few womens lives. If I was ever caught in a situation, thats the area I would aim for.

Also, I think for a bloke not to be bothered much by a strike to the groin, he'd have to be very drunk, high on something or just insane.

[RedSkaNite]

I watched my wife giving birth. It looked painful as hell. And it certainly lasted a long time, BUT it didn't look as painful as the forst minute after a nut shot.

I have broken too many bones to count. Had a finger smashed off by a 200 pound steel slab. Yes smashed off, not cut off. I have had my shin muscle ripped out (well some of it, not the whole thing). They hurt like hell. The shin muscle thing even made me cry. But know what? Neither of them laid me out like a nut shot. And I bet they both hurt as bad as having a baby.

[Spike]

Why do women give birth?

Because it hurts and they deserve it

[KickChick]

Why would a woman kick a man in the groin?

Because it hurts and they deserve it!

[Saz]

Sorry spike, but you had that coming! :D

Go KickChick!!

[booksie_girl]

Good one, KickChick!!!!
U go girl

[Andy Pandy]

Yeah, groin shots are deffinitly painfull... and it shouldn't be an area that only women aim for when in a "situation". If I am in a fight I diddn't start and did my best to stay out of... one of my first goals is to hit them in the groin. Master Lec ses that to, "don't take no non-sense, no fancy kicks, just boot them in the balls and they'll go down".

[Kwajman]

I knew there was a reason to go digging around in the archives to look at these posts. Kickchick still rules by the way...

[KickChick]

Originally posted by Kwajman
I knew there was a reason to go digging around in the archives to look at these posts. Kickchick still rules by the way...

still?? ;)

Oh there are alot more reasons to go on digging!!:D .... just watch out for the festering trolls that we buried along the way! :D

[saikyou]

somebody told me that some martial artist can protect their ***** w/out the use of any protective gear in a fighting stance. how can they do it?! btw, I do believe that this is a joke. right? just curious.

ok back to the main topic. I believe that it will make tons of damage for both sexes.

[spooky]

All Is I Can Say Is Dangerioussssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

[Scarlet Mist]

Getting kicked in the nuts sucks. But I don't think it is as painful as childbirth. I try to wear a cup at all times, whether in cricket, or CLF.
Oh - and for those who over rely on he groin for self defence - sure it hurts, but not like in the movies - if you kick someone in the groin you may just make him really angry - then he'd just wanna kill you, like I did.

[RichieRich]

To try and gentrify this thread a little...

Being a Chunner, I have quite a square stance.. TKD folks etc have a sideways stance..

The plus for me is all of my weapons are closer at any one time..
The downside being the happy-sacks are not shielded as well by a leading leg..

Pros / cons / thoughts / bad humour / lewdness? :cool:

[Ghost Frog]

I was messing about with my mates on a see-saw a couple of years ago, when one of them slammed it down at the other end, just as someone got off my end, and it hit me right in the groin. Ouch. It hurt like hell. :eek: I can't imagine what a direct kick would feel like.

So...It's mega-painful for a woman to get hit there. Even though all our delicate organs are inside, there are obviously a lot of nerve endings around there, as it was far more painful than a normal strike to a bony area. It would certainly stop me in my tracks, but then I don't go around attacking people. I think you'd have to be pretty precise, mind you.

Like KickChick says, with groin attacks on men, there's loads of stuff to get hold of, twist and squeeze, so it's more flexible from a self defence point of view.

[spooky]

Unfortunatly I to have receved a snap kick up into my groin /vulva area.And the pain was Ooooooooooo just UNbelievable!!I did collapse to the ground becoming incompasitaded for quite a while!I did have pain and swelling for about four days(vulva hematoma)no fun!!Being a female sports medicine major. I know that a strike to this area can be quite traumatic.Nerve damage,painfull sexual disfunction,vulvodynia,or even dyspareunia.It could also include internal/external organ damage and internal bleeding.But Im not so inoccent.At one time I did use a groin strike against a larger threatning female down town L.A. one evening.I was scared!! She left this area exposed and I knew she was not expecting me to strike her groin area.So I did and it worked extreamly well!One good strike and she fell on to ground taking up the fetal position on the cement! Thats what I have experenced :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Scarlet Mist]

Unfortunatly I to have receved a snap kick up into my groin /vulva area.And the pain was Ooooooooooo just UNbelievable!!I did collapse to the ground becoming incompasitaded for quite a while!I did have pain and swelling for about four days(vulva hematoma)no fun!!Being a female sports medicine major. I know that a strike to this area can be quite traumatic.Nerve damage,painfull sexual disfunction,vulvodynia,or even dyspareunia.It could also include internal/external organ damage and internal bleeding.But Im not so inoccent.At one time I did use a groin strike against a larger threatning female down town L.A. one evening.I was scared!! She left this area exposed and I knew she was not expecting me to strike her groin area.So I did and it worked extreamly well!One good strike and she fell on to ground taking up the fetal position on the cement! Thats what I have experenced :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:


Really? Maybe next time some girl in her state of being pissed off about what I said kicks me in the groin I'll just return the favor. Given of course, that she didn't crush anything.

[Shortfuse]

My Teacher told me it hurts more for gilrs.. in the 4th or 5th grade my friend told e if you kick them there your foot gets stuck or eaten


now im almost sure he was lying... j/k i hope i never get in a situation where i froced to kick a girl hard enough in the groin

[TigerAnsTKDLove]

getting kicked in the groin for a female does hurt i dont know if it hurts as bad as a male but it does hurt. all techniques i believe can be used for both sexes but may vary in the "pain" level.

[spooky]

The direct kick I receved in my groin was the most excruciatig pain I have ever experenced in my life!!! :eek: And I have been throught a lot!I believe men might feel similar pain since both sexes have the same nerve endings,But I guess every body is different regardless of sex.I guess it depends on how hard kicked and how much damage is done?And I do now wear protection but It still can hurt even with groin protection.This still bothers me.I know a woman will feel just as much or even more than a male.In sports medicine I have seen both men and women with groin injurys, and that is my findings based on fact.

[d33pthought]

One time in highschool, I was hanging out with some girls at lunch. One of them decided to walk on the back of a metal bench, and she slipped. It's a good thing she sorta caught herself, cuz she took a direct hit to the crotch. I can't say how it must have felt, but her reaction went like this: Freeze, grab crotch, twist face into an expression of unimaginable agony, and fall over.

[Shortfuse]

Ouch

[Splush]

If you wanna have children, above the belt fighting is the best way to go.

[blackbelt_judoj]

Yeah, groin shots are deffinitly painfull... and it shouldn't be an area that only women aim for when in a "situation". If I am in a fight I diddn't start and did my best to stay out of... one of my first goals is to hit them in the groin. Master Lec ses that to, "don't take no non-sense, no fancy kicks, just boot them in the balls and they'll go down".


I've got some issues with this.

I personally believe that the majority of fights happen in pubs/clubs on the weekend between people that have probably had a few too many drinks.

When two people start fighting then it is VERY similar to the way animals fight. 9 times out of 10 the animals don't want to kill each other, just prove a point. I'm sure it's the same way with people. They start off making them selves as big as possible. From there they progress to growling (or is it shouting :D ).

Then comes the inevitable "chest barges" and then a barrage of swinging fists to the head at which point... and this bit is vital... both their mates jump in and pull the two parties apart. Both fighters continue to shout and scream but genrally put up enough of a strugle to still apear eager, but not enough of a tussle that they might actually break free and have to continue fighting.

Personally i've seen this happen loads of times. If you disagree then stop here!

Ok, so you agree... good. :D

Now personally i have had to pull mates out of "fights" just like the one mentioned. However there are occasions when i have stepped in and given the good news (via my fists etc) to the bloke my mates fighting and that happens when they are either using a weapon or fighting dirty, ie with some of their mates or KICKING IN THE HAPPY SACKS!)

A lot of you talk about dropping your opponent as quickly as possible with some crazy (almost lethal) move. Sure, i agree if the situation called for it (getting mugged/raped/robbed etc) but surely not in every scuffel!! :eek:

That's just stupid. When i fight i keep a lot of self control. I won't hit someone in the head till they have attempted the same on me, i wont bite someone or headbut until they have tried it on me. :bang:

Am i alone on this matter? :confused:

[Combatant]

That's just stupid. When i fight i keep a lot of self control. I won't hit someone in the head till they have attempted the same on me, i wont bite someone or headbut until they have tried it on me.

Mate, this is stupid. When a 'real' fight kicks off you can't wait for the other person to try and hit you in the head before you do the same. Are you so good at fighting that you have the luxury of waiting for them to dictate the terms on which you fight? If they throw a punch to your chin and it connects then you won't have time to use your controled aggression on them. Even if you are not out cold you will be stunned. This is enough time for the other person to close the gap and do what they wish. I just hope they have the same good morals as you. Chances are that if they are the one that started the fight; they won't.

This is why they say that there are no rules on the street. (its not just a cliche)

[spooky]

No woman will ever know how that feels...it's extremely painful but more than that it's not like any other kind of pain, it's just indescribable and completely unlike any other kind of pain you can experience.
Boy, I surely can say un to you the same thing when I was kicked in my groin/vulva :eek: The pain was sooo ....excruciating that I was on the ground feeling like I was going into shock or going to die:eek:

[spooky]

If you wanna have children, above the belt fighting is the best way to go.
Previous damage might not show up until latter in life :confused:

[spooky]

Are they as effective against woman as against men? Can all techniques be used equally against both sexes?
Yes a kick to the female groin is devastating...............period.And let the truth prevail!

[CanuckMA]

Groin shots can be very painfull for both. But if expecting it, they are not the disabling blow that most make it to be. I, for one, would not rely on it in an attack.

[spooky]

Groin shots can be very painfull for both. But if expecting it, they are not the disabling blow that most make it to be. I, for one, would not rely on it in an attack.
I see that you may be right.I guess when you expect it you can protect yourself better.I guess we women don't expect a kick to this area when we should.That is the mistake I made and now I know.And hopefully it will never happen again!

[spooky]

But if I was in a fight and was not able to block a groin strike I know it still would be incompasitating for me! I may be new at MA but I am not a wimp ether!

[gedhab]

Ip Chee Keung of the chow gar southern praying mantis style can with draw his testicles into his body, closing his bodys gates and rendering and strike to the groin useless.

This is obviously very advanced and 99.9% of people will never be able to do this...bt its quite interesting ;)

[Anonymouse]

In the heat of a fight, the groin strike isnt always a winning move. Usually, if your adrenaline is pumping, you wont even notice it until afterwards. My cousin was demonstrating the "wind mill" technique on my dad one time and my dad kicked him hard, square in the junk. He didnt even bat an eye and continued to rain down blows on my dad's head knocking him back and down. After they stopped, then he dropped to the ground in agony. He said he didnt know that he was kicked in the nuts till afterwards. Anyway, just some news that this kinda stuff works when the person is calm, but when you get a guy whos all pissed and possibly drunk, this kind of thing isnt going to work.

(For those of you who arent familiar with the wind mill, basically, you ball up both of your fists and run at your assailant with both arms spinning around like wind mills using several hammerfist type bashes to pummel your opponent. Its regarded as a highly street effective self defense technique. I belive he said that they taught it in the Marines.)

[pachomius2000]

Ip Chee Keung of the chow gar southern praying mantis style can with draw his testicles into his body, closing his bodys gates and rendering and strike to the groin useless.

This is obviously very advanced and 99.9% of people will never be able to do this...bt its quite interesting ;)
The photo below is supposed to show a monk having his testicles kicked by the guy in civilian garb, but he does not feel pain.


http://apoplexy.ath.cx/images/monk_kicked_in_nuts.jpg

Granting but not conceding that the kicks were delivered into the groin, how is retraction and retention of testicles inside the groin effected? Or is retraction more a tall tale than fact?

Pachomius2000

[munkiejunkie]

well, my grandad got bit by an ant on his balls, and he said that he thought he was going to die

[Johnno]

In the heat of a fight, the groin strike isnt always a winning move. Usually, if your adrenaline is pumping, you wont even notice it until afterwards. My cousin was demonstrating the "wind mill" technique on my dad one time and my dad kicked him hard, square in the junk. He didnt even bat an eye and continued to rain down blows on my dad's head knocking him back and down. After they stopped, then he dropped to the ground in agony. He said he didnt know that he was kicked in the nuts till afterwards. Anyway, just some news that this kinda stuff works when the person is calm, but when you get a guy whos all pissed and possibly drunk, this kind of thing isnt going to work.

(For those of you who arent familiar with the wind mill, basically, you ball up both of your fists and run at your assailant with both arms spinning around like wind mills using several hammerfist type bashes to pummel your opponent. Its regarded as a highly street effective self defense technique. I belive he said that they taught it in the Marines.)

Nice family you've got...! :D

It strikes me that a drawback with the windmill technique you describe: if you hit your opponent on the top of the skull you will hurt your fist a hell of a lot more than their head. In fact you will probably break your knuckles.

As for getting hit in the nuts, it's happened to me a few times. The worst one was getting hit with a cricket ball when I was stuped enough to bat without a box. (For the first and last time!) I nearly threw up.

[pachomius2000]

My old man told me that Cassius Clay (Mohammed Ali) once had a bout in the ring with a martial arts fighter, or was it a Thai kick boxer? His opponent just lied on the canvas and kicked the legs of Cassius.

Does anyone know of such a bout?

How would professional boxers fare with martial arts fighters, if rules of professional boxing are observed? if such rules are not enforced?

Pachomius2000

[pachomius2000]

I found the match. It is between Mohammad Ali aka Cassius Clay and the Japanese professional wrestler Anotonio Inoki. It ended in a draw.

See; http://forums.dragid.com/archive/index.php/t-22618

I think the writer above gave a fair critique of the bout, fair to both protagonists.

Pachomius2000

[spooky]

Hummm, I thought this thread was about (FEMALE groin strikes) :eek: ??By the way they are extreamly effective against a female attacker!

[E-Rocker]

A couple weeks ago, I was sparring with my Thai Boxing instructor, and I (ACCIDENTALLY!!!) kicked her in the vulva. It put her out of comission briefly and we had to take a short break from our sparring.

[alex_000]

Why whould you like to hit a woman anyway?

[E-Rocker]

Dude, she's a Thai Boxing instructor. She's been smacked around by Master Chai. She can easily handle a beginner such as myself.

[spooky]

There are just no words to discribe the pain when kicked in the vulva! :eek: Even for the most experienced M.A.And even with protection they still can be debilitating!

[Infrazael]

Why would a woman kick a man in the groin?

Because it hurts and they deserve it!

I don't mind, if my girl is willing to, um, conpensate for the damage later, by, um. . . . .ok, mabye it's better not to talk about that stuff here. :Angel: :D :rolleyes: :love:

Not saying it's more painful than childbirth (there's no way to prove it's more or less painful, since no-one will ever experience both), but it's a completely different kind of pain from anything else...from what I've heard about childbirth, it's extremely painful but not a unique kind of pain, getting hit in the balls is a type of pain that you can't experience any other way. No way to describe it if you've never experienced it.

:cry: :cry: :cry:

Girls, you have no idea. . . . . .... the pain is a mixture of piercing pain (like getting stabbed), blundeoning pain (like getting crushed), being cut slowly and painfully, burned and frozen at the same time, something blowing up, and constant, crushing pressure that DOES NOT relieve.

All that x20 is about the amount of pain it accounts to.

[SparcZ]

You're talking "pain".... I'm sure it doesn't even compare or come close to "childbirth".....

No man will ever know how that feels ...


Passing a kidney stone is rumoured to be as painful as child birth...

I was once kneed in the balls when I was 10 so hard that I could hardly piss for 2 weeks so that must be close...

[spooky]

I don't mind, if my girl is willing to, um, conpensate for the damage later, by, um. . . . .ok, mabye it's better not to talk about that stuff here. :Angel: :D :rolleyes: :love:



:cry: :cry: :cry:

Girls, you have no idea. . . . . .... the pain is a mixture of piercing pain (like getting stabbed), blundeoning pain (like getting crushed), being cut slowly and painfully, burned and frozen at the same time, something blowing up, and constant, crushing pressure that DOES NOT relieve.

All that x20 is about the amount of pain it accounts to.
Hummmm.......I'm a woman and I have been kicked in my groin /vulva and it gave me a(vulva hematoma)Just the most undescribable pain I ever felt and swelling for almost a week :eek:There is no way I can describe the pain I felt to a man.But sounds like you just described the pain I went through pretty close......So I bet you don't know what it feels like to have a vulva hematoma?Very very tramatic both physicaly and mentally!! A hard blow into the vulva could kill a woman........No kidding!It's called a(Intraperitoneal rupture).And women experience the same pain because we have the same innervated nerve trunks.And we even have some extra nerves that are used in child birth!So don't tell me I have no idea :woo:

[Infrazael]

My dear, let us simply say we're even. Shall we??? It's no use arguing over this matter anyways.

[adouglasmhor]

Granting but not conceding that the kicks were delivered into the groin, how is retraction and retention of testicles inside the groin effected? Or is retraction more a tall tale than fact?

Pachomius2000
I can sometimes do it from low horse stance or low hira no kamae , but not reliably, It also has happened involintarily in low (<-30c) temperatures, sumo are often able to do this as well alledgedly.

[TwIsT]

I havent Read thru all of this thread yet but i will soon.

I groin kick can be DEADLY to a woman. A womans pelvis is more open than a mans(Which Is Smaller and more compact) Due to them being the ones who deliver cherishable life into this world(Bless women),making it far easier to break than a mans. If this happens her internal organs can slide down a half inche,causeing haermorrage that will kill her.

[shotokanwarrior]

Urgh, that's barbaric.

And Spooky, you tell them! At my last TKD school only the lads were allowed to wear groin shields...*watches her adrenalize*

[Ophqui]

I kicked someone in the nads sparring today (accidently). ended the bout, he couldnt carry on, lol.

Its weird, but getting hit in that area doesnt seem to affect me as badly as some people, ive taken a nuber of direct knees to that special place playing football and been fine to carry on after about a minute.

[Infrazael]

Hmmm. . . . .

Mabye your a prodigy of the Iron Balls style???

[spooky]

Urgh, that's barbaric.

And Spooky, you tell them! At my last TKD school only the lads were allowed to wear groin shields...*watches her adrenalize*Grrrrrrrrrrrrr,...Are they allowing women to be hurt or what?! That sounds really bad!! I would not go to a school that did that to me!! :woo: At my dojo it is the policy that everyone wears groin protection when sparing,especially woman.A dojo that does not follow this policy sounds unprofessonal and could sure be setting them self up with legal problems if a woman is hurt. :bang:

[E-Rocker]

Sometimes when I get hit in the groin, there's a slight delay in the reaction, i.e. I get hit, I have time to fire off another punch or two, and *then* I double over in agony. Have any of you experienced this?

[Johnno]

Sometimes when I get hit in the groin, there's a slight delay in the reaction, i.e. I get hit, I have time to fire off another punch or two, and *then* I double over in agony. Have any of you experienced this?

Yes, I've had that too sometimes, but only with less serious blows to the groin. With the really bad ones the pain is instant!

[TwIsT]

I Usually can continue until the bout or confrontation is finished

[E-Rocker]

Thanks for the responses guys, but I was actually asking if any of the *women* here have had that effect.

[spooky]

Sometimes when I get hit in the groin, there's a slight delay in the reaction, i.e. I get hit, I have time to fire off another punch or two, and *then* I double over in agony. Have any of you experienced this? The few times that I have been struck in my genitals I at first was stuned for one second, *then* hit the ground in absolute agony becoming incompasitated. :eek: I would say there is no real delay for me.Even a light kick to that area of my body can stop me in my tracks and cause me to double over. And I can not throw even a little baby punch. :cry:

[shotokanwarrior]

Grrrrrrrrrrrrr,...Are they allowing women to be hurt or what?! That sounds really bad!!

Unfortunately yeah. Bloody men :woo: They make such a gigantic deal out of their vulnerable parts that we get ignored!!! I have even heard, this was in a book about rape, that kicking a guy in the balls was 'a woman's one natural advantage'!!!!!!! It's atrocious!!!!!

You could however, if you were ever at a school like this, wear a groin shield under your suit...it's not like anyone will be able to see :)

I was messing about with my mates on a see-saw a couple of years ago, when one of them slammed it down at the other end, just as someone got off my end, and it hit me right in the groin
Yesterday I somehow managed to ram myself in the groin with a car door (don't ask), I managed not to pull a face (didn't fancy explaining to my mum what I was looking so agonized about) but it wasn't a pleasant sensation :(

The photo below is supposed to show a monk having his testicles kicked by the guy in civilian garb, but he does not feel pain.

Where did you get that from...are you sure it's not computer generated?

[Flying Shadow]

I've seen a documentary on TV about MA masters that can take kicks to the groin with no pain at all.

You've got to remember pain is an internal experience, which means it is not fully above any measure of control. Also there's really in no such thing as pain, pain dosen't exist as a physical entity but it's rather a process. Pain is really a verb.

Whilst helping a yellow belt in a front kick drill (meant to be aimmed at my solar plexus) he kicked me square in the groin (little punk) but I was too busy explaining the technique to some other guy (he kicked me whilst my head was turned) I therefore didn't feel any pain untill some moments later. Not just groin pain it happens with all areas on my body during intense sparring.

There have been reports of many soldiers that have been shot in battles that have been so "zoned out" so focused on fighting that they only noticed they had been shot after the fighting way over.

On the whole for women getting kicking in the groin area:
Yes it is extremely damaging, a black belt at my club described to me the same think thing that that other guy was talking about (sorry can't be bothered going back and finding your name) about the internal organs moving causing death etc... except he said it also had something to do with the nerves.

On the subject of the pain of getting hit in the nads:
It's not only the testicles where I feel most of the pain about 60-70% of the pain manifests in low in my adomen about 2 inches below my navel (belly button) on either side as if someone is stabbing, crushing, freezing and burning me there as the other guy described. Anyone one else experienced this or am I just a freak?

Towards the ladies:
What about the breasts? How badly does it hurt that bad to he hit in the breasts?
My sensei has been recommending chest guards for our female club members, and I'm guessing it's for a good reason.

[Sgt_Major]

I get that burning/stabby thing up in my stomach, its worse than the actual pain in the testes!

Breast shots seem to be split opinion here....i think it depends on the size etc....ime it works a lot...but other people disagree.....

[Flying Shadow]

Yay!!! I'm not a freak. I could of sworn the pain was in my lower adomen.

With reference to breasts shots, what do you mean by the size? The size of the opponent or the size of the breast?

P.S. for those of you at home who are wondering why on earth I'm asking these questions is because 1. I'm just curious and 2. This information could come in handy the next time I am ambushed by a 6'2" woman with 60% more muscle mass than me and 6 years of training in kickboxing. I happened to Van Damme in sudden death it could happen to me!!!

[Johnno]

Yay!!! I'm not a freak. I could of sworn the pain was in my lower adomen.

With reference to breasts shots, what do you mean by the size? The size of the opponent or the size of the breast?

P.S. for those of you at home who are wondering why on earth I'm asking these questions is because 1. I'm just curious and 2. This information could come in handy the next time I am ambushed by a 6'2" woman with 60% more muscle mass than me and 6 years of training in kickboxing. I happened to Van Damme in sudden death it could happen to me!!!

Nah, yer just a perv, mate! :D

[Flying Shadow]

I knew someone would say that eventually. But seriously guys I am not being facetious.

[Sgt_Major]

I mean the size of the breasts. Bigger = more sensitive.....in my experience, but Shotokan proves me wrong there ...... :o

[Flying Shadow]

I guess we won't really know until we're told by a female.

[Sgt_Major]

Problem is that even they cannot come to a single conclusion......

[Flying Shadow]

Problem is that even they cannot come to a single conclusion......

BAHHHH!!! haha LOL

[shotokanwarrior]

I guess we won't really know until we're told by a female

Bigger means less sensitive actually because of having more fat. Does this solve the controversy?

[spooky]

I've seen a documentary on TV about MA masters that can take kicks to the groin with no pain at all.

You've got to remember pain is an internal experience, which means it is not fully above any measure of control. Also there's really in no such thing as pain, pain dosen't exist as a physical entity but it's rather a process. Pain is really a verb.

Whilst helping a yellow belt in a front kick drill (meant to be aimmed at my solar plexus) he kicked me square in the groin (little punk) but I was too busy explaining the technique to some other guy (he kicked me whilst my head was turned) I therefore didn't feel any pain untill some moments later. Not just groin pain it happens with all areas on my body during intense sparring.

There have been reports of many soldiers that have been shot in battles that have been so "zoned out" so focused on fighting that they only noticed they had been shot after the fighting way over.

On the whole for women getting kicking in the groin area:
Yes it is extremely damaging, a black belt at my club described to me the same think thing that that other guy was talking about (sorry can't be bothered going back and finding your name) about the internal organs moving causing death etc... except he said it also had something to do with the nerves.

On the subject of the pain of getting hit in the nads:
It's not only the testicles where I feel most of the pain about 60-70% of the pain manifests in low in my adomen about 2 inches below my navel (belly button) on either side as if someone is stabbing, crushing, freezing and burning me there as the other guy described. Anyone one else experienced this or am I just a freak?

Towards the ladies:
What about the breasts? How badly does it hurt that bad to he hit in the breasts?
My sensei has been recommending chest guards for our female club members, and I'm guessing it's for a good reason. Yes getting hit in the breast hurts,especialy tender on that time of the month.Now as for the pain in the abomen more than the testicals when hit that makes sense,because the testicals have very few nerves.It starts with the (vas deferens) which is a tube that has a very small nerve that is called (genialformale nerve)in it.dout I spelled that right I will correct it later.Now the the vas deferens tube with the geni. nerve inside travel from the testes into the nexus of innervated nerves in the abomen area.And the testes are really quite ruged,they have a tough casing around them,and so what happens when hit the testical on the inside of the casing swell causing pressure that the small geni.nerve picks up and is transfred to the innervated nerve area''burnning in the belly feeling could come from.That is really the basics and I could go into much more detail later.And I hope that helps you. ;)

[shotokanwarrior]

You're talking about the hypogastric plexus, spooky. Just contributing.

[snailfist]

The effectiveness or otherwise of groin shots has been well examined in the self-defense section. (I've skipped a few pages so if I've missed a link already posted I apologise).

With regards to techniques being more effective on one gender than another, breasts have already been mentioned, but there are presumably some more subtle distinctions. Some structures in the female body are different, the hips for example, and this has implications when women are doing press-ups. Certainly, the higher pain threshold of women is worth bering in mind in e.g. a restraint situation. Wheras one might get away with pressure points normally when restraining a potentially violent person, one might have to resort to a lock or similar mechanically neutralising method when dealing with someone who could not feel pain (e.g. if they were tanked up on alcohol).

[spooky]

You're talking about the hypogastric plexus, spooky. Just contributing.Thanks shotoanwarrior for filling in some of the details.I was using the term innervated nerve connectons as for the general area.I know the more isolated area would be the hypogastric plexus block that is located in front of the fifth lumbar and first sacral vertebral bodies. :rolleyes:

[Scarlet Mist]

You're talking about the hypogastric plexus, spooky. Just contributing.

I see you're well read on the subject of testicles :p :D

Spooky, you said that the testicles have fewer nerves, how is this true. Fewer nerves should mean less pain. Or do you mean fewer nerves than the breasts because breastes are huge compared to testicles?

[spooky]

I see you're well read on the subject of testicles :p :D

Spooky, you said that the testicles have fewer nerves, how is this true. Fewer nerves should mean less pain. Or do you mean fewer nerves than the breasts because breastes are huge compared to testicles?Did I say my breast don't hurt when hit.They can hurt quite a bit.There is only one very small nerve inside the vas deferens that comes up from the testical.It's really about the hypogastric plexus block that both male and female have.And if you read some of my post you know that I had sufferd tremendioulsy when kicked in my groin.Far far more painfull than a hit in the breast :eek: .So I don't know how you can compare nerves to breast size?Bigger does not mean more nerves?Are you trying to compare nerve types?Maybe I need to go into more detail but I don't want put you all to sleep. :rolleyes:I feel like im getting of the subjuct of FEMALE groin strikes again.

[spooky]

It CAN hurt a woman even more than a man...really!!A kick up in the vulva CAN rupture the bladder jar or dissplace, compress the uterus, and ovaries and damage the vagina. And create reproductive problems.Or even death!But you don't know how painfull it is until you been kicked in that spot!!!!And I know.I have received a good hit their once!!I don't wish this on anybody!!! :eek: :eek:

[NaughtyKnight]

Me and my mates were playing footy against these huge islanders a few years back. My mate was in goal and charged at the attacker to stop him scoring. The guy kicked as hard as he could and missed the ball (the football anyway :D) and hit my mate square in the nuts.

He was on the ground screaming for at least 5mins. He threw up and I have never seen anyone in more pain in my life.

The balls have cause alot of pain when injured to protect us. If they didnt hurt, we would care as much about getting hit there and thus destroy our ability to reproduce.

My experience from getting hit in the nuts has always come with breaking up with girls. "Im sorry, Its just Im not ready for as serious relationship."
"You you just used me for sex!!!!" WAM. Me on the ground.

You guys are right about the pain not soley being in the balls, its mostly in the stomach. You feel like a friggin elephant is trying to escape from your nuts and escape through your mouth. :cry:

[Sgt_Major]

You feel like a friggin elephant is trying to escape from your nuts and escape through your mouth. :cry:

You have been graced with an eloquence most men can only dream of! :p ;)

[NaughtyKnight]

You have been graced with an eloquence most men can only dream of! :p ;)

Lol, thanks mate. The queen didnt knight me for nothing. :D

[shotokanwarrior]

I see you're well read on the subject of testicles

Hell, yeah, that comes from everyone in my dojo and down the lineage of Senseis being obsessed with testicles. I don't know why.

Here's an anecdote about groin shots to guys, little off topic but anyway. last night at karate we had to do this weird stance that looks like sumo and that got my sensei talking about sumo and he told us that in ancient Japan, sumo was so prestigious that they tried to breed an elitist sumo race, and you know what they did to the young boys...apparently they tied weights to their testicles to stretch them so they could be fastened up behind them into their belts.

:D :eek: :D :eek: :D :eek: :D :eek:

Are you trying to compare nerve types?

There are different nerve types...Delta A is shooting, stabbing pain and Delta C is burning, flaring pain. (I'm trying to write some metal lyrics using that as an image, I'm gonna call it 'Delta C Scream')

[NaughtyKnight]

Tied weights the their nuts!?!?!?!?!? I feel so sorry for them.

[wrydolphin]

I must be the only one kicked in that area and didn't really suffer any pain. It was uncomfortable, true, but not shattering. I just went on with the fight after backing off for a second. Hmm, it was a pretty square shot, maybe the velocity has to be higher for it to really hurt. Dislocating my knee and breaking my nose and my pinky were much more painful.
It would have to be a pretty serious hit to dislodge any of the reproductive organs. They are pretty tightly ligamented against the back of the pelvis and there are lots of other organs in there taking up space and providing padding. I find myself rather doubtful that a run of the mill hit would cause the amount of damage that you are describing, however freak accidents do happen. When I was in rehab for my knee there was a guy there whose tibia shattered when he stepped off the curb. Go figure.

[NaughtyKnight]

Id rather have every bone broken in my body than take a hard nut shot.

[Goju]

I watched my wife giving birth. It looked painful as hell. And it certainly lasted a long time, BUT it didn't look as painful as the forst minute after a nut shot.

I have broken too many bones to count. Had a finger smashed off by a 200 pound steel slab. Yes smashed off, not cut off. I have had my shin muscle ripped out (well some of it, not the whole thing). They hurt like hell. The shin muscle thing even made me cry. But know what? Neither of them laid me out like a nut shot. And I bet they both hurt as bad as having a baby.

hmmm, I dont know man. If by shin muscle you mean the muscle behind your shin, like your calf muscle, then I would have to say your exaggerating. Having your calf muscle ripped out, or your finger smashed off would be unbelievable pain, getting hit in the groin will drop a guy, and make him scream, and get sick, but I would never think a kick to the groin (which Ive felt) would compare to having your calf ripped out or your finger smashed off. A kicked groin is incredible pain, but you can get up after 5-10 minutes, and move try to walk it off, even less time if you really had to. The kind of pain you mentioned is pain that doesn't stop until you pass out or recieve some anesthetic.
Personally, getting a kick in the nuts makes me feel like Im going to puke, like my stomach is going to explode and something else that hurts too :confused: . It really isn't the worst thing in the world though.

Id rather have every bone broken in my body than take a hard nut shot.

Think about what you're saying, you'd be in a wheelchair for the rest of your life if all your bones were broken (or you'd die). You take a good shot in the balls and you're back to feeling fine in anywhere from 5 minutes to a month.

[NaughtyKnight]

I'd rather be in a weelchair than in a boys choir group for the rest of my life.

[Goju]

WHAT? you could land a record deal man! You could have a shot at being the next Michael Jackson. :eek:

priorities....

[NaughtyKnight]

LOl, exactly the next Michael Jackson, he spends alot of time in the choir with the boys. :D

[Goju]

hahaha, that pic's always good.

[NaughtyKnight]

That it is, Im still laughing about it. :D

[shotokanwarrior]

Tied weights the their nuts!?!?!?!?!? I feel so sorry for them.


I thought that story would get a reaction:)

[NaughtyKnight]

And it did, I couldnt work out today because everytime I saw a weight I would cringe and crawl up into a fetal postion. :D

[little china]

It CAN hurt a woman even more than a man...really!!A kick up in the vulva CAN rupture the bladder jar or dissplace, compress the uterus, and ovaries and damage the vagina. And create reproductive problems.Or even death!But you don't know how painfull it is until you been kicked in that spot!!!!And I know.I have received a good hit their once!!I don't wish this on anybody!!! :eek: :eek: Yep... I have heard this all before.And It is true.Regardless of rummers,opinions, and heresay which are the three lowest forms of knowlage.We base medical info.on facts. And I have been in the medical field long enough to see horrible things like this happen.And good luck in your sports medicine career.Sounds like your of to a great start! :)

[JunFan38463]

this just reminds me of Ron Burgandy in Anchorman

" Im gonna punch you right in the ovaries... yep right in the baby maker"




all i know is a shot to the nuts hurts, men wont know if it hurts women as badly, just as women won't ever no the extreame pain it causes us. If women wanna know how much it hurts us, let them watch any mans face when some OTHER guy gets a bad Groin Shot.... we all get those "Sympathy Pains".... ohh godd i just gave my self some sympathy pain :cry: :eek:

[spooky]

this just reminds me of Ron Burgandy in Anchorman

" Im gonna punch you right in the ovaries... yep right in the baby maker"




all i know is a shot to the nuts hurts, men wont know if it hurts women as badly, just as women won't ever no the extreame pain it causes us. If women wanna know how much it hurts us, let them watch any mans face when some OTHER guy gets a bad Groin Shot.... we all get those "Sympathy Pains".... ohh godd i just gave my self some sympathy pain :cry: :eek:When I worked in the E.R. I saw everything you can even imagine!And I have seen women go into shock from the extreame levels of pain from a hard blow to the genitals! :eek: And men and women do have the same nerve plex down there as well.But I would honestly say it hurts me more than a man.....But your right it is a empty debate...And the pain level varys from person to person regardless of sex.

[shotokanwarrior]

I'm not sure it is quite as severe as for a guy - we don't get HSRI like they do, but still debilitating.

[little china]

It seem's men do hit harder.But I think it depends a lot on the exact placement and the power of the strike.But the women I have seen hit in the groin hit the ground faster,and stayed down longer, and took longer to recover than a man. :eek:But I think spooky is talking about is a kick in the vulva which is highly sensitve to any type of strike.And very dangerious too! But then I have seen some men hit in the same area even harder and not even blink!?So you could say it hurts a man more than a woman? Or you could say it hurts a woman more than a man?

[little china]

But furthermore I would say it depends alot on the exact placement and the power or how hard the strike is.But I still side with spooky on this matter. ;)