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[Korpy]

Should another type of Taekwondo be created, to be more "street effective?"

Traditional Hapkido was great, but they wanted for it to be more street effective, and now there is a type of Hapkido called Combat Hapkido.

The question is should another type of TKD be created for the same reason?

[rtkd-badger]

No need to create another TKD just adapt the old one.

[Kwajman]

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NO NOT AGAIN!!!!!

[rtkd-badger]

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NO NOT AGAIN!!!!!
Lmao

[Athleng Nordic]

Just cross train, and learn to roll.

[JinkokMike]

well I study a different MA than TKD but I have a good insight into the art and personally think there's no need for change.

[Thomas]

Should another type of Taekwondo be created, to be more "street effective?"
No, just fix your own school and/or cross train.
See this thread for ideas: http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10787

Traditional Hapkido was great, but they wanted for it to be more street effective, and now there is a type of Hapkido called Combat Hapkido

NOOOOOOOOOO! I realize that you have no experience with Hapkido, Combat Hapkido or TKD... but please don't make assumptions, especially ones that can cause huge arguments. For the rationale behind the name of Combat Hapkido please see http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16727&page=4&pp=15

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The question is should another type of TKD be created for the same reason?
The reasoning is way off first of all. Combat Hapkido was named that way only to distinguish between Traditional Hapkido and Combat Hapkido (which is not Traditional.)

[Kwajman]

I'm sorry I had a moment there. I just don't understand why we need a "new" kind of TKD.

[wazzabi]

there is actually a style of combat tae-kwon-do that they teach to the korean military, but the koreans want to keep it unique to korea. one of my korean friends studied this art.

[Goju]

I think if people don't like TKD the way it is, they should train in another style. If you can't do another ma, then change the way you train yours.

[Davey Bones]

The better question would be how to better train it. Some schools are quite successful, others aren't. Let'sw let the ones which are successful destroy the McDojangs, because there are plenty of credible TDK instructors out there.

[wazzabi]

I think if people don't like TKD the way it is, they should train in another style. If you can't do another ma, then change the way you train yours.

i completely agree with you, but the problem is, in many isolated towns and villages, tae kwon do might be the only martial art available. other martial arts like kung-fu, hapkido, brazilian ju jutsu and capoera can only be found in big cities mostly.

[Goju]

that's why I said, "if you can't do another ma, change the way you train in yours"

I wouldn't feel very comfortable telling my teacher to change the curriculum of his school, especially if he was the only ma teacher in town. This is why if you want it to be a more self defense effective style, you need to take it upon yourself (btw, I like tkd, and think it is already effective, but as they say, every school is different). Find some dedicated training partners, do some full contact sparring (with safety precautions of course), incoperate low kicks, and everything you think is street effective into your basics, bagwork, pad work, and sparring. Take what you know, like kicking and punching, and modify it a little so that it is what you deem as being effective while still keeping in line with your style (so that you can train it in classes and at home training). And also, if you want your style to be effective, make the techniques you do know as sharp, as fast, and as powerful as possible. This way, whether they are viewed as "practical" or not, they'll work either way.

[Legless_Marine]

Should a new type of boat be developed to make them easier to drive on roads?

[rtkd-badger]

there is actually a style of combat tae-kwon-do that they teach to the korean military, but the koreans want to keep it unique to korea. one of my korean friends studied this art.
You mean they want to keep it unique to the Korean Military, thier purpose is simply to kill the enemy so of course it will be different to civilian training. Straight forward deadly techniques.
My master trained the South Korean Marine Corps for 3 years, but I bet he wont teach me the same techniques he taught them.

[rtkd-badger]

Should a new type of boat be developed to make them easier to drive on roads?
Thats not as silly as it sounds, we have them here, they are called Army Ducks. ;)

[Athleng Nordic]

Thats not as silly as it sounds, we have them here, they are called Army Ducks. ;)

That sell rides on those things during the summer in Seattle.

[Doublejab]

I think I hear Bruce spinning in his grave....

[Athleng Nordic]

And he's drilling a hole right to china. :D

[Pacificshore]

it's just a dog chasin' it's tail;)

[Athleng Nordic]

Right-O! :rolleyes: :D

[wazzabi]

:confused:

[RFWright]

Its been said many times before. Cross train and round out your abilities.
Regards,
R

[Hung-Fut]

In my personal experience TKD is not effective in combat. It's a competition style martial-way. Learning fancy high-flying kicks, head shots etc. is all pointless wasted motion. Why expend the energy kicking the head when the knees or nads are right there? Also, TKD fighters keep their heads wide open. I went to a very respected school, "Choi's Tae Kwon Do." and the national competitors there thought it was pointless exercise to practice blocking a face shot. Perhaps in a sport who's points are 90% kicks, but in the real world, you're going to get cracked in the noggin'. Also, these national competitors hade their groins wide open and were beaten easily with me in crane. I'm not dissing Tae Kwon Do as a sport. Because it's: A great workout, teaches amazing lower body strength, teaches team work, and individual self esteem. But, it's not street worthy or combat ready. Yes cross-training would help. But, this thread is supposed to concern TKD as a whole.

[rtkd-badger]

Not all TKD schools train for headshots with feet. In my school our highest kick would be axe or cressents, the rest are no higher than midsection.

[neryo_tkd]

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NO NOT AGAIN!!!!!


exactly. :bang: :bang: :bang:

[Cale]

I think that it really depends on the way your taught, If your taught to use your training if you find need to defend yourself on the street then you can and you will. I enjoy every aspect of Taekwondo from patterns to self defence, and on the one occasion i needed to use it it worked for me.

[Pocari Neko]

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NO NOT AGAIN!!!!!

Agreed. Totally.

[TheCount]

I thought ITF was actually rather street effective if used right, it is a military martial art basically (what im told by ITF instructor i know)

[gaz shaw]

In my personal experience TKD is not effective in combat. It's a competition style martial-way. Learning fancy high-flying kicks, head shots etc. is all pointless wasted motion. Why expend the energy kicking the head when the knees or nads are right there? Also, TKD fighters keep their heads wide open. I went to a very respected school, "Choi's Tae Kwon Do." and the national competitors there thought it was pointless exercise to practice blocking a face shot. Perhaps in a sport who's points are 90% kicks, but in the real world, you're going to get cracked in the noggin'. Also, these national competitors hade their groins wide open and were beaten easily with me in crane.

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So is all TKD like tht then?????? no it isnt, ive been taught to kick to the knees or groin if attacked, and tht is what all of the local instructors teach their students as well.

i have only ever done TKD as a MA and i am confident that i could defend my self if ever needed, however i'm a fast runner as well.

[gankaku]

Should another type of Taekwondo be created, to be more "street effective?"

Traditional Hapkido was great, but they wanted for it to be more street effective, and now there is a type of Hapkido called Combat Hapkido.

The question is should another type of TKD be created for the same reason?
If you create another kind of TKD isnt that the same as creating a new art ? and if so how can you still call it TKD?

[niclans]

TKD is good the way it is. The problem is that too many schools concentrate too much on patterns (without knowing the original motive) and high kicking aplenty. Self defence in my opinions should be practice time and time again, at least that is what i do as an assistant instructor along with the instructor. We do research and share it with our students.

[ap Oweyn]

I think if people don't like TKD the way it is, they should train in another style. If you can't do another ma, then change the way you train yours.

I don't really accept that taekwondo is a certain way. An art certainly has tendencies. But I've seen enough variation within those tendencies not to believe that you should switch styles necessarily (though that's precisely what I did). As you said, you can change the way you train your style. I don't think that needs to be the "backup plan" though. I think it could just as readily be your first course of action.

Teachers tend to emphasize the spinning, jumping, and patterns. But teachers tend to offer what John Q. Public wants. And children are the bedrock of many (though not all) successful schools. They like that stuff. It mirrors what they see in the entertainment industry. And it's fun.

But that doesn't mean that other people with other needs can't find the means to meet those needs within their style. What would be nice is if teachers support those efforts to personalize the style. That they created an environment where like-minded people could train the way they wanted to.

For instance, a teacher could match people up who wanted to use more hands and low kicks in sparring. Give them "study periods" to work on their priorities specifically.


Stuart