View Full Version : Getting Jumped- mistakes people make
NaughtyKnight
01-May-2005, 11:10 AM
Unless your a naughty boy like me, the major way you will be in danger, is the victim of a mugging.
People make mistakes when training. I fought on the street before I knew about ma so I knew what I should be using, and what is flashy/usless crap that wont work.
The mistakes are mostly training for what ifs. You dont train for what ifs because there are a thousand what ifs that could happen. What if they grab you in x, do you do a or b. It confuses you, and that you dont need when your already scared and cant think properly.
The funniest thing I see people learning, is blocking (in terms of sd), your defence on the street is to attack. If your waiting for them to attack, you are 1 or more steps behind them. Reaction is slower than action remember. Grab them and knee them, elbow them, or just plain punch them into submission before they can even conjure a violent way to attack you.
People train stupid scenarios. When you are getting jumped, they wont be coming in front of you and tell you your getting mugged. They will grab you from behind, jump on you etc. Learn how to act straight away. If you are bending down to get something and someone jumps on you and gets you on the ground, what do you do? Thats what you should train!
Use your animal aggression to help you. Picture your family behind you, and if you dont stop these animals, they will kill your family brutely. Picture that, and the strength and pure speed and power is amazing. Dont fight the fight or flee, use it, but use is to the potential it offeres.
Dont spar like your calm. You aint gonna be calm when you get jumped. You can tell yourself that ever day, but it just isnt the case. You brick yourself when you see 4 guys waiting at the end of the dead end alley for you.
Everyone should take up boxing one time or another. It doesnt matter how good your style is at punching, boxing is the ultimate. Thats how street fighters punch. Take it for a few months, and get used to the feeling of getting a hard blow to your face.
|MT|omar
01-May-2005, 11:28 AM
You've got a point in some parts of what you said, but a few things that i dont agree on is how you said that blocking is useless.
If u were to punch me, and i dodged/blocked your punch then you'd be pretty stuffed coz i'd probaly kick u in the head the 1st chance i got. And seing as how u say blocking is useless my kick would connect coz u'd be more worried about hittin me than u would about defending yourself.
Also, when you're about to be jumped, you're not gonna be calm... adrenaline takes over and you'd be doin stuff u never knew u could do. You might be more relaxed about the situation if u know what you're doing, but i highly doubt you'll be calm.
Anyway, that's just what i wanted to point out
Oh yeah, i noticed u follow Chelsea, good on ya :D They finally got the cup, 1 of many to come
NaughtyKnight
01-May-2005, 11:35 AM
Yeh! Go the Chels.
Blocking is crap. Good for sparing, but aint useful for street fighting. Your task is to hit them before they can even hit, not block then hit. Hit until they drop, if you take a few hits, life hurts.
I never said you would be calm, I said you wouldnt re read my post.
|MT|omar
01-May-2005, 11:43 AM
Yeah in sparring u need it, no point gettin a broken nose while u spar.
But what would u do if someone threw the first punch at you, right at your face... would u just stand there and take it, or would u try and not get hit?
I train in Muay Thai, and i've noticed that some of our blocks lead to pretty cool counter attacks... for example, if i parry a jab, and slighty change position, i have a clear kick to the ribs of my attacker.
Im not tryin to say that what u belive is wrong, but personally, if i saw a punch coming i'd definatly try to block it and lead into a counter attack, and if i had to take the punch i'd try and keep my guard up and defend myself before a 2nd punch or kick gets thrown.
NaughtyKnight
01-May-2005, 11:46 AM
When I say you shouldnt be blocking, im talking about mid fight. Sure if your gonna get sucker punches, stop it.
Ikken Hisatsu
01-May-2005, 11:49 AM
The funniest thing I see people learning, is blocking (in terms of sd), your defence on the street is to attack. If your waiting for them to attack, you are 1 or more steps behind them. Reaction is slower than action remember. Grab them and knee them, elbow them, or just plain punch them into submission before they can even conjure a violent way to attack you. disagree there. knowing how to defend yourself is important. watch wanderlei silva vs rampage 2- silva comes in with his trademark looping hooks, rampage covers beautifully and delivers a cracking right hand to knock wandy down. the "crazy monkey" defense is an excellent form of blocking developed for an environment where you arent wearing boxing gloves. and it works. And I can attest from a couple of bare knuckle sparring sessions that a slightly modified MT guard will work very well against punches.
People train stupid scenarios. When you are getting jumped, they wont be coming in front of you and tell you your getting mugged. They will grab you from behind, jump on you etc. Learn how to act straight away. If you are bending down to get something and someone jumps on you and gets you on the ground, what do you do? Thats what you should train! exactly right and this is why grappling training is very important, so that you learn how to GET OUT of that situation. even just learning basic bridging techniques and sweeps from the guard can save your bacon.
Use your animal aggression to help you. Picture your family behind you, and if you dont stop these animals, they will kill your family brutely. Picture that, and the strength and pure speed and power is amazing. Dont fight the fight or flee, use it, but use is to the potential it offeres. adrenalin can be both your biggest ally and your biggest enemy, and if you know how to use it to your advantage you are going to have a much better chance. pressure testing techniques is then, vitally important for this alone.
Dont spar like your calm. You aint gonna be calm when you get jumped. You can tell yourself that ever day, but it just isnt the case. You brick yourself when you see 4 guys waiting at the end of the dead end alley for you. i have to disagree here. the point of sparring is to learn to control yourself, not lose control. thats when you get sloppy. aggression and rage are not the same thing. plus, if you spar too hard you will constantly be injured.. not going to be much nike fu when you are sporting a cast :D
Everyone should take up boxing one time or another. It doesnt matter how good your style is at punching, boxing is the ultimate. Thats how street fighters punch. Take it for a few months, and get used to the feeling of getting a hard blow to your face.
totally agree. boxing defense is all about avoiding a punch to the face while delivering one, and I am yet to see a street fight where someone started working the legs with low kicks to set up their head kick finisher. boxing is easy to grasp, and the mechanics are sound.
|MT|omar
01-May-2005, 11:51 AM
well Ikken summed that up pretty nicely haha, and i agree with everything he said
moononthewater
01-May-2005, 11:58 AM
Hmmmmmmmm Kc still on that agression thing. I will pass that by but will pick you up on your idea of practising different scenarios a fight can start any where and any place for you to start putting it into brackets such as muggings and from behind is wrong. A fight can start just as easy whilst sitting in your car. As for blocking it depends on your version of blocking if you block so hard that you push them away and create a gap which gives them time to start again that will not help. But if you connect with their attack stick to and use it to start your own thats good. Also there is nothing wrong with waiting for the other person to attack if you have your distance and angles correct.
NaughtyKnight
01-May-2005, 11:59 AM
Im talking about the more traditional form of blocking. Crazy monkey is the best, as it allows you to block while attacking.
You dont have to be going off your rocker, but dont spar like a robot. Spar with feeling.
iamraisen
01-May-2005, 03:44 PM
Also there is nothing wrong with waiting for the other person to attack if you have your distance and angles correct.
until his friend smacks you in the back of the head with a bottle
moononthewater
01-May-2005, 04:39 PM
Dont know if you have ever noticed but in a real fight that can happen whilst being offensive or defensive :bang:
shotokanwarrior
01-May-2005, 05:36 PM
Dont spar like your calm.
I don't. I get really adrenalized and just let fly. I don't bother with tactics much...just let rip that evil psychotic rage :yeleyes:
I'm not sure if I agree that attacking first is the way to survive. My only really vicious fight was one where I waited for the other girl to attack...and I won, very brutally and dramatically. (I don't think I'll post the gory details.)
holyheadjch
01-May-2005, 06:30 PM
if you can see a situation spiralling out of control and you have the opportunity to strike first, take it. Only a complete idiot would stand there knowing the punch was coming and not do anything about it.
moononthewater
01-May-2005, 06:45 PM
I would not disagree with that but each situation is different so you have to judge what is the right tactic for each situation.
Matt_Bernius
01-May-2005, 07:09 PM
People train stupid scenarios. When you are getting jumped, they wont be coming in front of you and tell you your getting mugged. They will grab you from behind, jump on you etc. Learn how to act straight away. If you are bending down to get something and someone jumps on you and gets you on the ground, what do you do? Thats what you should train!Ok, so where are you getting your data for that might I ask? There are a wide range of mugging scenarios. Currently, we've had a spate around the University of Chicago that have involved one person stopping the victim for a question and then one of three things happening:
1. A weapon is presented
2. The person who initiated the contact sucker punches
3. Two more assailants surround and threaten.
A great idea for anyone interested in really prepping self defense is to go to local police departments and request crime summaries for the month. They're typically happy to provide them. Then check out how many muggings begin with some form of verbal confrontation before going and spewing off how any specific scenario is either realisitic or false.
Verifiable data folks... it's a beautiful thing. I'm not discounting the role of suprise beat downs, but don't think it's the only or the predominant scenario.
BTW, I have to go with the group on the issue of sucker punching... if your gut is telling you things are bad then go with the gut and preempt the attack. Wait is a great way to end up with a trip to the hospital (check out the story from Siphus on another thread for what can happen). None of us here are good enough to not take every chance we have to dominate a situation. This is your life we are talking about here folks. Don't forget that.
- Matt
Trinity
16-May-2005, 03:18 AM
Knightcommander: You must understand self defence is "self DEFENCE" not self offence. By the look of your post you would not think that traditional JJJ and aikido would work, they wait for the attack and use it againts the opponent.
I think if you lack skill in self defence or are not confident enough in yourself then go by your gut feeling its safer especialy for people with a small amounts of knowledge in self defence. I think in some situations if it is beyond a doubt that it will end in blood shed attack first if your style is a fighting or striking style. I believe that attacking first puts you at a disadvantage especialy if the attacker or attackers are ready.
As i said before its not good to just go around smackin people down just because you think they might punch you this is SELF OFFENCE and not SELF DEFENCE.
If i was trained in a fighting style and not a self defence style then i may have no option but to attack first so it also depends on style. I have done a few different styles and i believe that alot of striking styles out there are not that good for self defence, for fighting they are great, but self defence well not that good. After all how many punches can you take and how many dislocated shoulders or elbows can you take or if you want to go Xtreeeem how many broken knecks can ya take.
Knightcommander: Also Mate to see how true self defence works go to a reputable JJJ school not BJJ but JJJ or a Aikido school and get into a verbal confrontation with the sensie and then just attack him and see how you go.
NaughtyKnight
16-May-2005, 06:37 AM
You ever been in a fight? It may seem all good in the school to wait for them to throw a punch, see it, stop it, and then hit them, but when a huge person is throwing his whole weight into you, not easy at all.
I have spared an Akidoist, he was very good, he could easily throw me around like a rag doll. When he gets into fights though, he dispenses with all of his waiting, and attackes them.
Also hitting first is Self Defence, self defence also includes pre emptive attacks.
Sure Grandmasters can do it, but I dont know about you, but I am quite a bit away from that skill level.
Raven Wing
16-May-2005, 01:24 PM
Well you've opened an interesting debate KC, for what its worth I agree with a lot of what you're saying but I still think its worth training for a variety of scenarios though. The important thing I think though is for people to really test their skills and strategies under pressure and sadly so many martial artists refuse to see this - you have to be honest with yourself if no one else or you lose and losing in a self def situation is not acceptable.
NaughtyKnight
16-May-2005, 01:34 PM
Yep, pressure testing is the most important part of learning martial arts. Ask sonshu about it, he is the master of pressure testing.
WhereMyRiceGo
16-May-2005, 01:37 PM
most likely when u get jumped(not a lil kid one for your bike) but a real one, they wud most likely carry a knife, and chances getting cut or killed wud be high. Maybe a gun.
NaughtyKnight
16-May-2005, 01:41 PM
I've only had a knife pulled on me a few times, and it wasnt during a fight, which is good for me. With that said, I would run if they did. If I couldnt run, I would pleed and give them everything they wanted, money is nothing compared to your life. Im not going to even try a knife disarm, or a redirection, the risk is just too high!
Blunt weapons dont phase me. I have been hit by pretty much every blunt thing imaginable. Just block with your arm (doesnt matter if it breaks) and beat them with your other, trust me, you dont even feel it when you pumped.
Smokemare
16-May-2005, 03:40 PM
The reality about street fighting is that whether you block or not, the most important thing is that you can take alot of punishment and continue to fight. You will get hit, and alot harder than in sparring, it's whether you can ignore it and fight on without falling to pieces.
This in mind there are people out there who streetfight alot, who can take more punishment than even a very accomplished striking MA could not damage enough to put them out of a fight. These are the sort of people who will have all their front teeth knocked clean out with an iron bar to the face, but continue to beat the hell out of their attackers.
The only way to test and improve how much damage you can take is by sparring harder, but no matter how hard you spar, a glass bottle smashed over your head and then stabbed at you before you can regain composure is going to be hard to keep fighting with.
Trinity
16-May-2005, 09:32 PM
You ever been in a fight? It may seem all good in the school to wait for them to throw a punch, see it, stop it, and then hit them, but when a huge person is throwing his whole weight into you, not easy at all.
Mate of course i have had fights againts guys bigger and guys smaller, plus i have also been attacked by multiple attackers in which i was stabbed from behind, if i did not have the experiance i would not comment
I have spared an Akidoist, he was very good, he could easily throw me around like a rag doll. When he gets into fights though, he dispenses with all of his waiting, and attackes them.
Its sounds to me that he does not have confidence in his art. dont get me wrong in some situations i have opted to attack first (sort of):example: i was in a car park and 2 guys wanted my wallet i knew beyond a doubt that this would get ugly so i put my hands up and said i dont want any trouble i moved between the cars defencivley so for the moment i only had one attacker and as he closed in, i closed the gap quiker than him and it was on. even though i got injured and my car was damaged i still have my wallet and car keys.
Also hitting first is Self Defence, self defence also includes pre emptive attacks.
Imo..pre emptive attacks can be used in some situations and also if you lack confidence and or are skilled in an offencive art
Sure Grandmasters can do it, but I dont know about you, but I am quite a bit away from that skill level.
Mate i dont think i am a grandmaster yet i have trained for years and taught for years i am confident in what i do yet i am still learning and will continue to learn and develop until the day i die. Plus i dont think you need to be a grand master to be a defencive counter fighter it just takes skill and many hrs of training.
I think pre emptive attackes actualy gets you into more trouble than needed.
I truely like the no ego walk away with confidence approach.
Anyways i like defence you like offence no probs all cool.
bcullen
16-May-2005, 10:25 PM
Blunt weapons dont phase me. I have been hit by pretty much every blunt thing imaginable. Just block with your arm (doesnt matter if it breaks) and beat them with your other, trust me, you dont even feel it when you pumped.
Nice fantasy: don't buy into the movie and video game garbage. Real life bats, two-by-fours and ax handles can crack your skull easily. There are quite a few folks that would argue this point if they could, but because of a hit to the head they can't even feed themselves anymore.
Trinity
16-May-2005, 10:41 PM
Nice fantasy: don't buy into the movie and video game garbage. Real life bats, two-by-fours and ax handles can crack your skull easily. There are quite a few folks that would argue this point if they could, but because of a hit to the head they can't even feed themselves anymore.
I agree;;;;yet there is correct ways to defend againts blunt weopons (bats clubs and 4x2s) i tell you what though its not blocking it with you arm.
NaughtyKnight
17-May-2005, 07:26 AM
Nice fantasy: don't buy into the movie and video game garbage. Real life bats, two-by-fours and ax handles can crack your skull easily. There are quite a few folks that would argue this point if they could, but because of a hit to the head they can't even feed themselves anymore.
Funny thing is mate, that isnt a fantasy. I have been hit by logs, bats, trolley poles, and I can still feed myself. I have broken my arm stopping from being beheaded, broken rib from a log.
Just because you have never been hit by one, dont presume that eveyone is delicate.
NaughtyKnight
17-May-2005, 07:27 AM
I agree;;;;yet there is correct ways to defend againts blunt weopons (bats clubs and 4x2s) i tell you what though its not blocking it with you arm.
You dont always have a choice, Im not going to try and do some fance step and counter. Im going to charge in, block with my arm and smack them into submittion. Whether thats how you fight or not, its beyond the point.
Raven Wing
17-May-2005, 11:38 AM
[QUOTE=Smokemare]This in mind there are people out there who streetfight alot, who can take more punishment than even a very accomplished striking MA could not damage enough to put them out of a fight. These are the sort of people who will have all their front teeth knocked clean out with an iron bar to the face, but continue to beat the hell out of their attackers.
I see some of where you're coming from but how many human beings are there in the world who simply cannot be knocked out by anything? Assuming we are alive then we can die - if we can die then we can lose a fight. I know thats a lot easier said than done and there are some truly dangerous people out there but if we are training to take care of ourselves we cannot simply say there is no way to beat this guy. I don't think thats quite what your saying anyway but its what sprung to mind.
Smokemare
17-May-2005, 01:07 PM
Hmmm, no not quite...
From my experience it's difficult to try and execute accurate, powerful techniques to vulnerable targets. Under pressure most people will instinctively hit to the face. A well placed hook to the chin has every chance of knocking someone out of course, regardless of how tough they are, but punching someone on the nose, if they are the sort of person whose nose looks like it's been used as a punching bag previously.... Well, it's likely just to make them more angry, or if you are lucky get blood in their eyes so they can't see so well.
Obviously there are exceptions to the rule, I always think that if it came to life or death, I'd use my car keys as a knuckle duster, adopt a boxing come muy thai stance and try and take out their eyes.
I wouldn't hang around if successful though - this sort of thing would be frowned at by the courts. If you can destroy your opponents eyes then you can get away though. Again, the courts would probably throw the book at you for this.
I've seen MMA videos where for a whole five minute round one guy was holding the other guys hair with one hand and continually beating the other in the face with his fists and elbows - yet the guy being held was desperate not to go out and continued to fight back, only losing on judges decision.
NaughtyKnight
17-May-2005, 01:09 PM
Get a zippo lighter, and carry it around with you. If you get in a fist fight, put it in your fist. It makes a seriously powerful punch. With the added benefit of offering ladies a light:D.
Nose shots are the most painful hit to the face you can do. Your eyes fill up with tears, your eyes even shut occasionally. A few hits to the nose and jaw and goodbye.
Raven Wing
17-May-2005, 01:15 PM
Fair point mate, I may have over emphasised in my above post, but the important point is though that you would still try to defend yourself (assuming other options had been exhausted). You are right of course that the vulnerable parts can be difficult to hit in a fight (the human animal being somwhat instinctively good at covering its vitals) but would you agree that someone who actively drills their skills under pressure has a much better chance of scoring the ko or any other fight stopper than somone who dosent train that way?
Smokemare
17-May-2005, 01:53 PM
Of course! I just think alot of people who don't drill and train for more devastating attacks, might be surprised when they spin around with twin knuckle ninja fist, only to find their opponent with a bleeding nose, seriously pissed off and preparing to hit them, but they are off balance and not in a position to defend themselves well.
Knight - True, but the puinch on the nose is not a fight stopper, land it and it wil give you a good edge, but you would expect your opponent to continue fighting albeit at a disadvantage. Not dissing the nose punch, just saying you should be prepared to follow it up.
The trouble with alot of step sparring and set sparring and SD routines is that they tend to imply that a punch or two win you the fight. That's rarely the case unless you are very good and a bit lucky or a bit good and VERY lucky.
As I've said before I don't consider Tae Kwon Do as my main source of SD, my repetoire of SD comes from Systema, Muay Thai and using dirty tactics and expecting every attack to not be the last one.
TheCount
17-May-2005, 02:13 PM
When at karate we were taught how to take on four attackers to an extent and taught how to really hurt them while you were at it...quite effective
bcullen
17-May-2005, 02:14 PM
Funny thing is mate, that isnt a fantasy. I have been hit by logs, bats, trolley poles, and I can still feed myself. I have broken my arm stopping from being beheaded, broken rib from a log.
Just because you have never been hit by one, dont presume that eveyone is delicate.
Actually, I've got a divot in my forehead from a shot with a bat delivered by a rival dealer (thats just one of my scars) and have seen more real fighting then most of this board ever will. I speak from experience. If you aren't afraid of what blunt weapons can do then you've never seen them in action.
NaughtyKnight
18-May-2005, 05:49 AM
I have seen plently of fights. I was in a very violent Chelsea gang for a few years, and I have been fighting pretty much since I could walk.
Knifes scare me more than a bat, though I dont like any weapons being pulled on me!
Ikken Hisatsu
18-May-2005, 06:19 AM
um my dad could so beat up both your dads.
aaaand, I have a scar on my hand from when i was having a ruler fight with my friend! beat that!
NaughtyKnight
18-May-2005, 06:29 AM
LOL
Nah my dad is way harder than anyones dad. He's a policeman, he'll arrest you all!
I got a cut on my hand from a rock, BEAT THAT :D
Raven Wing
18-May-2005, 08:33 AM
Of course! I just think alot of people who don't drill and train for more devastating attacks, might be surprised when they spin around with twin knuckle ninja fist, only to find their opponent with a bleeding nose, seriously pissed off and preparing to hit them, but they are off balance and not in a position to defend themselves well.
Cool, I understand you better now, I think we are singing from similar hymn sheets. :)
Ferdie
18-May-2005, 02:11 PM
One of the more common mistakes by people in a fight or being jumped by someone is staying there & fighting the other (or one of them) like a duel. Most attacks are not done by a single person. There are always some friends of his around. So while your staying there, beating the crap out of the guy who suckered punched you a few seconds ago, someone hits you from behind & you're out. The situation is aggravated by the possibility (depending on the area you frequent) of at least one person in that group having a weapon of some sort.
kungfufighter
18-May-2005, 05:24 PM
I use to jump some kids who didn't know how to keep their mouths shut with my friends, but it was never crazy throw him on the ground and bash on em, it was more, hold em down slap slap, once in a while one punch and we'd let the kid go to see what he'd do. One kid tried attacking on of my friends, thats when my other friends throw in a punch to throw em off so my buddy could get the advantage. but then i stopped, because it all came down to, damn it takes 5 of you to hurt one kid I only did it like twice too.
NaughtyKnight
19-May-2005, 07:11 AM
Jumping people is for cowards. Real men are the ones that fight off the 5 others, even if they end up injured.
rizal
19-May-2005, 08:07 AM
The problem was that even we yelled them hoarse that they are cowards, you still got hospitalized, and your wallet is gone :cry:
I agree that the one of the mistakes people made when being jumped is staying or (worse) immediately attack, hoping to score the first punch. But another common mistake is....freezing.
I was taught that when if i'm going to fight, i must enter it freely. If not, disengage and try again. Disengagement is very hard to do, since most people simply run like bat out of hell. A proper disengagement is getting out of your immediate opponent reach and seek out other threats and options. It is very hard to do with adrenaline pumping (in my whole life, I only do this properly two times) but possible (one, I see a security guard and just yell; second, i fight three men and coming out a little bit bruised but OK).
I think the best training someone can have in preparing to face this situation is meditation. Very useful but seldom taught in the dojo/sasaran/training ground.
Lennert
19-May-2005, 09:04 AM
Well, I've already posted something like this somewhere else on this forum, but I think it fits here too. I've seen people make the mistake of taking a fight to the ground (I've made that mistake once, but got away with it) you should not do that, not even if you're good with ground fights. This way you are to much of a target if someone (or more individuals) suddenly chooses to join your opponents side, and kick the crap out of you.
I think most of you already know this, and agree, but I thought I'd post it anyway ;)
Trinity
19-May-2005, 11:46 AM
I have seen plently of fights. I was in a very violent Chelsea gang for a few years, and I have been fighting pretty much since I could walk.
Knifes scare me more than a bat, though I dont like any weapons being pulled on me!
You say you have been in plenty of fights, ok then why do you think that a punch in the nose is a fight stopper, If somebody punched you in the nose would it stop you i hope not because it has never stopped me. Bust break and dislocate stops attackers straight away standup grappling. Multiple attackers you punch they punch punch kick punch punch who ever can give and take the most wins not a good idea because they have more fists and legs than you. if you pop a shoulder or a knee its fight over for that dude and give him ya name because he will remember you forever.
Oh and knightcommander GO LEEDS
ShihanBKS
21-May-2005, 02:04 PM
The funniest thing I see people learning, is blocking (in terms of sd), your defence on the street is to attack. If your waiting for them to attack, you are 1 or more steps behind them.
This is a good way to sign up for assault charges at your local county jail. It is best to strike when struck at. How can you know if someone is just going to say some words to you and not really touch you, there are ppl who do wait for you to throw something first and probably take you to court. Now unless you know you are in trouble and your future assailant come up to you with a knife in his hand, that is different.
The best form of self-defense is avoiding a situation, if there is an exit, you take it. Running away is smarter than taking a knife in a lung or a bullet in the head for a few lousy dollars.
Blocking is a must, you can't dodge everything.
NaughtyKnight
21-May-2005, 02:28 PM
You say you have been in plenty of fights, ok then why do you think that a punch in the nose is a fight stopper, If somebody punched you in the nose would it stop you i hope not because it has never stopped me. Bust break and dislocate stops attackers straight away standup grappling. Multiple attackers you punch they punch punch kick punch punch who ever can give and take the most wins not a good idea because they have more fists and legs than you. if you pop a shoulder or a knee its fight over for that dude and give him ya name because he will remember you forever.
Oh and knightcommander GO LEEDS
Obviously I dont just stop and start crying when I get hit in the nose, but it does stun me.
Leeds!! HAAHAHAHAHA, not even worth mentioning. Have fun in divison 1, we'll talk again when you guys make premiership again aii. ;) :D
NaughtyKnight
21-May-2005, 02:30 PM
This is a good way to sign up for assault charges at your local county jail. It is best to strike when struck at. How can you know if someone is just going to say some words to you and not really touch you, there are ppl who do wait for you to throw something first and probably take you to court. Now unless you know you are in trouble and your future assailant come up to you with a knife in his hand, that is different.
The best form of self-defense is avoiding a situation, if there is an exit, you take it. Running away is smarter than taking a knife in a lung or a bullet in the head for a few lousy dollars.
Blocking is a must, you can't dodge everything.
Yeh, great Idea man. I'd rather get beaten to death then go to the police station for 2 hrs. :rolleyes:
Why do people even bother mentioning this. Who cares if your going to go to get charged. Thats the last thing going through my mind when somone jumps me.
Sok Ti
23-May-2005, 10:00 PM
Totally agree, go all out to take them out and as hard and fast as you can. It is not a 3 minute round. If ambushed you attack not defend, you don't wait to see what happens.
Yeh! Go the Chels.
Blocking is crap. Good for sparing, but aint useful for street fighting. Your task is to hit them before they can even hit, not block then hit. Hit until they drop, if you take a few hits, life hurts.
I never said you would be calm, I said you wouldnt re read my post.
TigerAn1
14-Jun-2005, 05:56 PM
adrenalin can be both your biggest ally and your biggest enemy, and if you know how to use it to your advantage you are going to have a much better chance. pressure testing techniques is then, vitally important for this alone.
What do you mean by "pressure testing techniques?"
NaughtyKnight
15-Jun-2005, 03:41 AM
Having someone charge at you punching at your face full contact. Having someone charge at you and try and take you down.
Full contact fighting.
gray fox
15-Jun-2005, 06:42 AM
From what I've learnt at my Kempo that every block is also a strike followed up with a counter attack, then continue with mutiple attacks/comboniations etc. But I was also taught that if you feel that u are going to be in physical danger strike without hesitation and keep on striking.
gray fox
15-Jun-2005, 06:46 AM
Bruce Lee's philosophy of Jet Kun Do (intercepting fist) is an excellent idea of sometimes the best defense is a good offense.
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