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NeonxBurst
29-Apr-2005, 02:08 AM
OMG I was at an RBSD class tonight and all I can say is wow, I'm tired of paying for self defense that doesn't work when I can talk to this guy and he teaches for FREE!!!! FREE!!!! FREE!!!!

Raven Wing
29-Apr-2005, 12:43 PM
LOL you sound like a bad pr stunt :)

Seriously though if you have found somwhere to train/someone to train with that inspires you then good for you - who are you training with by the the way?

TKD=FUN
29-Apr-2005, 05:58 PM
sorry but what is RBSD?

stump
29-Apr-2005, 06:10 PM
Reality Based Self Defence -

Big on pressure testing - not so big on pressure point knock outs :)

NeonxBurst
02-May-2005, 12:28 AM
I don't know his last name, but him and two other guys from Miletich come down three times a week for free, and teach this RBSD program. Oh and sorry about the over excitement, and btw his first names Gary. Not that millions of others aren't named Gary, but I do know his credentials

7th Degree black belt in Tae Kwon Do ITF- Trained along with the GM from my school

3rd Degree black belt in Brazillian and some Japanese Jiu Jitsu

and

3rd Degree black belt in Arnis

He's an ex local boxing champ and has training in Muay Thai and he's about 55-60

TheCount
02-May-2005, 01:48 PM
In the end there is no such thing as RBSD. You NEVER EVER know how you will react or what will happen. You can always say in a dojo 'I would do this this and this' but in the end as mentioned in another post the best thing to do is hit him once or twice then 'do a Linford Christie'.

However if you are drilled in techniques that work you may very well find they may help

stump
02-May-2005, 06:01 PM
True you never know how you will react - but you can stack the odds in your favour and by doing so hopfully make you more likely to react in an appropriate manner. This can be done by making your training simulate a real situation as closely as possible. And that is the philosophy of RBSD.

Matt_Bernius
02-May-2005, 06:13 PM
True you never know how you will react - but you can stack the odds in your favour and by doing so hopfully make you more likely to react in an appropriate manner. This can be done by making your training simulate a real situation as closely as possible. And that is the philosophy of RBSD.Well put Stump. An additional marker of the RSBD approach is to think of fight in a more holistic sense, putting heavy, if not equal emphasis, on the emotional and psychological components of confrontation.

There is a great deal of debate as to the importance or efficacy of the above. I tend to fall into the "it's a good idea category."

- Matt

TheCount
02-May-2005, 06:27 PM
I think that eventially people know the techniques well enough to use them to great effect. But then there is the time gap.

In the end all you can do is hope you react well

Matt_Bernius
02-May-2005, 06:59 PM
Some techniques also work better than others. A lot of RBSD is to start with those techniques first. Usually there is also an attempt to encorporate natural body reactions into the response.

As others have pointed out, perhaps the most important part is using progressive resistance as a tool (which the best programs do).

- Matt

NeonxBurst
02-May-2005, 11:51 PM
Well I can tell you exactly how my first class went.

First we got in there and he's like, NO WARM UP! YOU WONT GET ONE ON THE STREET! And we were told no uniforms because you wont be in those on the street either. Then we went into boxing drills, with us barefisted, and him wearing gloves just because it gave us more of an idea where to strike because they had little dots on um, but any way, then after we had some basics down he had us spar him. Then we all added in some Muay Thai kicks and man those sound mean on a bag. After that we went to the ground and he taught the "noobs" ground basics then we worked for the top and the center of gravity with the only rules being we had to wear boxing gloves because we were hitting eachother and we couldn't break anything. Then after that he called us into the circle and had us tell him about what we learned and how we felt it will help us. After that we packed up and left.

Matt_Bernius
03-May-2005, 02:02 AM
Interesting... though I'm a little concerned about:First we got in there and he's like, NO WARM UP! YOU WONT GET ONE ON THE STREET!That's never been my experience any where else. While it's true that you don't get a warm up in the street, you also don't have to athletically perform for an extended period of time. No warm up seems to be asking for an injury depending on how hard, how fast, and how long you bang.

- Matt

stump
03-May-2005, 07:45 AM
No (or practicaly no) warm up is something I've seen before with some RBSD groups - not something I agree with however.

Matt_Bernius
03-May-2005, 02:31 PM
No (or practicaly no) warm up is something I've seen before with some RBSD groups - not something I agree with however.We definitely have warm ups at our club. And no... I don't think it's a good idea either.

- Matt

NeonxBurst
03-May-2005, 09:32 PM
I can't say I like the no warm up idea, but hey, I'll take what I can get.

gimgamgommetje
04-May-2005, 05:26 PM
I consider warm ups a waste of time!

However you need to warm up to train safely and mentally prepare students for the class.

Fortunately there are ways to put preparation games and technique training in the warm up so the warm up is more fun and usefull.