Bruce's approximate punching speed [Archive]

kazgeroth

14-Jun-2003, 09:47 AM

A cinema camera has had 24 fps since around the 60's, bruce's fighting was really shotty on camera, it looked fake with him at full speed, so in order for it to look fake his speed had to be around .03 seconds a punch. That would add up to 8 in 1 second. 8 pictures in 1 second would look hell of crappy. In fact he was probably a bit faster but hey who really knows?

This is an estimation. If the fighting looked fake his speed would of had to be somewhere around there.

YODA

14-Jun-2003, 09:50 AM

Oh.

Yes- it seems he was a bit quick - but don't forget (As a 1st generation Bruce Lee student told me)....

"Its not how fast it travels but how soon it gets there that counts"

Marku

14-Jun-2003, 02:26 PM

nice quaote yoda.

from what i heard, he was so fast during the making of Enter the dragon that he was asked to slow down alittle. Rofl.

YODA

14-Jun-2003, 02:49 PM

The problem is that that knowledge is useless unless we can replicate it - or get near it. Anything else is just movie groupie hero worship.

kazgeroth

14-Jun-2003, 11:52 PM

Just thought you guys would be interested in his approximate speed. I've wanted to know for sometime. So I went and did some research.

Kwan Jang

15-Jun-2003, 12:01 AM

-Bruce, like any world class martial artist was very fast, but according to Bruce himself, there were many who were faster. What really set Bruce apart was that he was the first to incorperate non-telegraphic movements into martialarts. I know that this doesn't really relate to film speed, but I know that he's far from the only high level martial artist who had to slow down for film. IMO his use of non-tel. movements was one of his greatest technical contributions. It really surprises me how few adopt this into their training, seeing how this is not limited by genetics as speed can be.

kazgeroth

15-Jun-2003, 08:40 AM

Yeah I don't throw any spin kicks, butterfly kicks or anything that takes time and tells the opponent your attacking.

I don't coch back the fist or settle into a position before i throw my punches/kicks either.

hongkongfuey

15-Jun-2003, 08:59 AM

.03 seconds a punch. That would add up to 8 in 1 second. 8 pictures in 1 second

surely that would add up to 33 punches a second! 8 in one second would be 0.12 seconds a punch.

I'm sure that one of the offshoots of Shannon's law is that anything happing in less than 2 frames would appear 'odd'. A punch is made up of two movements (hit and return), so each movement would need to be under 2 frames (or 1/12 second) giving 6 punches per second at a minimum. As you say the truth is probably quicker than this, although at 12 punches a second it probably would not even look he was punching.

Therefore I agree with 8 punches a second sounding reasonable. Just disagree on the workings ;)

P.S. Not being pedantic, it's just I've waited 12 years to find a practical application of what I learned at University.

HKF

Greyghost

15-Jun-2003, 09:17 AM

you went to university???......james ...i'm shocked!!!

Cain

15-Jun-2003, 09:51 AM

Originally posted by hongkongfuey
surely that would add up to 33 punches a second! 8 in one second would be 0.12 seconds a punch.

I'm sure that one of the offshoots of Shannon's law is that anything happing in less than 2 frames would appear 'odd'. A punch is made up of two movements (hit and return), so each movement would need to be under 2 frames (or 1/12 second) giving 6 punches per second at a minimum. As you say the truth is probably quicker than this, although at 12 punches a second it probably would not even look he was punching.

Therefore I agree with 8 punches a second sounding reasonable. Just disagree on the workings ;)

P.S. Not being pedantic, it's just I've waited 12 years to find a practical application of what I learned at University.

HKF

Uh oh! We got one more physicist in here :eek:

|Cain|

AndyD

15-Jun-2003, 10:30 AM

8 punches per second is actually not that fast (once you understand the principals used). Around 12 punches would be more realistic.

Actually, looking fast and being fast are two different things. To appear fast you actually need to slow things down - particularly the start speed. If you increase the start speed then a single punch seems to appear at its destination - hence the actual movement was not seen and this is percieved as being slow (its only when you get in front of it that you realise the true speed of it). In the process of increasing the start speed it is necessary to eliminate muscle tension - this means the punch will take less effort to throw and on screen (or even in a demo) less effort translates as less effective.

YODA

15-Jun-2003, 10:52 AM

and on screen (or even in a demo) less effort translates as less effective.

So true - a good old WAAATAAAAH make anything believable by the unknowing public.

Jazman

15-Jun-2003, 07:51 PM

yippee! I'm glad to bring physics into this, finally something I understand...

jejanim

15-Jun-2003, 07:58 PM

i dunno...8 punches in a sec sounds a little far-fetched to me. i guess maybe if they were all his *one inch punch*, then maybe its possible. whatever the case, if anyone could do it..Bruce could. i guess i just havent seen anything close to that..EVER..so it's hard to understand.

jeja

simonlarcombe

16-Jun-2003, 10:45 AM

8 punches per second is certainly not far-fetched! Andy, I'm a little confused, email heading your way! :-)

Jazman

16-Jun-2003, 06:25 PM

it's not that he must punch 8 times in one second, it is that one pucnch takes an 8th of a second. I would love to see 8 punches in one second...

kazgeroth

17-Jun-2003, 03:46 AM

I was saying that about 8 frames from one punch, would be captured on camera dude. Not that he could throw 8 punches in one second.

Jazman

17-Jun-2003, 03:52 AM

just wanted to be heading where the crowd was going... :D

Cain

17-Jun-2003, 08:49 AM

Maybe 8 punches in a sec is possible, I tried throwing backfists for 15 secs continiously, they first one an entire movement the rest just elbow movement, was able to thow 55 bfs, that's 0.27 backfists/sec that's roughly 4 punches a sec, and Bruce I am damn sure was a hell of a lot faster than me, so maybe 8 punches a sec is possible.....or I could be talking absolute cr4p :woo:

|Cain|

hongkongfuey

17-Jun-2003, 12:17 PM

Let's have the first MAP online tournament then. Punch for 1 minute and record your scores here.

Highest score wins .....

nothing whatsoever.

simonlarcombe

17-Jun-2003, 04:25 PM

Any of you could acheive 8 punches in one second. I have been learning from Andy D for a few months now, we've only actually trained together twice but we keep in touch.

A few days ago I managed to complete 2 sets of 5 punches (this will make more sense once I've explained) in a fraction over 1 second so I probably made 8 punches in one second.

I acheived this result in a matter of months (and in actually training time I'm somewhat ashamed to say that this doesn't actually amount to much!) ... none of my previous training taught me what I needed to be able to do this!

At the moment I can't just stand up and punch this fast, I do need to do quite a lot of fast punching to build up my speed. Andy can certainly punch faster than that without warming up, I've seen him do it.

When I first did this I was a little dubious about power, surely you can't punch that fast and still have power. So I asked my brother to stand in front of me with a Thai kick pad and moved in to it on my second punch, no change in speed, structure, anything. Although the punch probably wouldn't have killed you :-) it certainly would have hurt and I haven't learned a great deal about structure yet. With the structural knowledge behind the punch I'm certain you could deliver a VERY powerful punch with the same speed.

When I've got a bit more time I'll tell you how I trained to do it.

How fast was Bruce? Well from what I know, and from the disbelief I see here... you can be sure that he was faster than you can possibly imagine!

kazgeroth

17-Jun-2003, 09:11 PM

Yeah if your throwing all the punches from 3-5 inches away I can do that two.

hongkongfuey

17-Jun-2003, 09:21 PM

Well from what I know, and from the disbelief I see here... you can be sure that he was faster than you can possibly imagine!

Not too many disbelievers - just too many scientists trying to get an accurate estimate! :)

I just managed 80 chain punches in 15 seconds (just over 5 per second), and I have been out of training for far too many years, so 10-12 a second could easily be possible for someone who is a professional martial artist.

P.S. I would have gone for 60 seconds, but I ran out of breath.

Adam

17-Jun-2003, 10:47 PM

I have a side question: would you WANT to throw 10 puches a secpmd? I can throw about 3 or so a second maybe, but without any power at all. Wouldn't a more effective technique be to throw a few powerful but quick-moving punches for fighting power?
I realise this is the trademark technique of WT, but is it actually effective?

simonlarcombe

18-Jun-2003, 08:31 AM

kazgeroth - These are punches from guard (well it isn't guard really but it's easier to explain) to fully extended, that's about 27 inches.

hongkongfuey - The main key is to be as relaxed as possible, you could punch for over 60 seconds without being out of breath. I'm not a professional martial artist...not by a long shot!

Adam - You can still get the power. Acheiving x punches a second is not really the goal, being fast is the goal, if someone was actually stood in front of you, you wouldn't be able to punch repetitively as fast. But to be honest on this one I'm getting a little out of my depth, so I'll leave it there.

bewater

18-Jun-2003, 11:38 AM

Dear All,

I agree with AndyD, that 8 punches a second is not fast, especially if you "blasting/chainpunching".

But saying that, if you train to merely punch fast, then it will be no good. If you cannot move while punching, telegraph your intentions upon/before the first strike, do not know your distance or having the wrong structure and body mechanics then what use is the fastest punching ability?

Regards,

bewater ..

Andy Pandy

05-Jul-2003, 03:06 PM

"8 punches in a sec sounds a little far-fetched to me"

Just wondering then, all you people, what are you capable of? I am sure I mannaged 8 semi-powerfull punches on the punch bag once when I was timing it with my watch going "beep..... beep.....beep......" every second. I'm positive I did it, I was counting, but if you people who've been doing martial arts for so much longer than me can't do it I suppose I could have been mistaken, but I don't think I got it wrong.

simonlarcombe

06-Jul-2003, 01:57 PM

Length of time is not the most important factor. Effectiveness of training IS.

Andy Pandy

06-Jul-2003, 07:36 PM

the more punches you can throw in a certain amount of time the faster your oponant is going to have to move to stop them all.

simonlarcombe

07-Jul-2003, 08:56 AM

Sorry I should have been more specific, you said:

"but if you people who've been doing martial arts for so much longer than me can't do it I suppose I could have been mistaken"

My responce to this (slightly editted) is:

The length of time you have been training is not the most important factor. Effectiveness of training IS.

HKD

07-Jul-2003, 02:13 PM

i saw Mike Tyson throw 8 strong hook punches on a bag under a sec. a few years ago. so a hook is a lot slower punch than a streight so if he can do tht im sure bruce could throw 8 straights in a sec. so it is not far-fetched at all
and yoda,
"it's not how fast it travles but how soon it gets there that counts"
isn't how fast it travles the reason why it gets there so soon? :O)

johndoch

07-Jul-2003, 02:32 PM

"isn't how fast it travles the reason why it gets there so soon? :O)"

The idea that fast punches will score more easily than slow strikes is not always true. sometimes well controlled powerful strikes will land more often than a super fast lightning strikes (depending on the situation of course).

The faster fighter doesnt always score more hits.

SoKKlab

07-Jul-2003, 03:17 PM

Of course you could be 'Fast' but have no 'Accuracy',

Fast but hit with no power.

Fast but be wide open to counter-attack(s).

Fast but be a useless Fighter.

Insert your own version below

simonlarcombe

07-Jul-2003, 03:18 PM

If your opponent doesn't see the punch coming (and it is executed correctly) they will not be able to stop/avoid it. The start of the movement is crucial.

For interception you really need to be able to hit your target faster than your opponent.

SoKKlab

07-Jul-2003, 05:01 PM

Fair point Simon,
but even if they don't see the punch coming, if it isn't on target, then it's of no use, is it, because it's going to miss?
Hence my point about Accuracy.

'Executed correctly' is a bit of a misnomer and a tad luxurious in a 'Real' fight, most of the time you'll be lucky to get a few half decent techniques to land, whilst struggling with the other guy on the chip shop floor. Be it stood up or gone down. Real fights are messy and not smooth.

As Martial Artists we are sometimes closetted from reality by what we do in the Gym, Dojo etc. Just because you can punch a Thai pad with a healthy whack and it feels good to you, doesn't mean that you are going to be able to land that technique cleanly in a 'real' situation. (When I say YOU, I don't mean just YOU, I mean WE).

Even in Muay Thai bouts, how often do you see a 'perfect' technique land? Mostly punches are either smothered, foiled, hit the wrong place, land on the arms etc etc. Perfect techniques tend to happen, when one of the Fighters is tired, apart from leg kicks which land more than most others.

Many's a time that you'll see aboxer avoid a punch, even if he doesn't 'SEE' it. That's why he's bobbing and weaving. He doesn't see every punch that's being thrown at him, just feels that he needs to be out of the way.

Besides, just by keeping your guard up, you can nullify most punches by taking them on the arms and elbows, it's mainly when people start 'Showboating' with their hands down by their waist that they get a bang in the kisser.

Or when they go for one and the other guy beats them to the punch, which has been alluded to elsewhere.

Also, your are not passive in this arrangement. If someone is punching you, make sure you destroy their limbs. Drop elbows onto Uppercuts etc etc. Adam alluded to this when he talked about blocking them, even if the block is just having your arm in the way, by having your guard up.

My final point is again this. He might not see the punch coming and it might land, but if it has no power, then it's nothing more than an irritating prod and will lead to a fighters downfall...

Getting off my soapbox now, someone just punched me in the face....

Wong Fei Hung

07-Jul-2003, 05:42 PM

I think SoKKlab is right . It could be fast but with no strength.

This is what I think it depends on where you hit him when going fast even if you didn't put lots of power in the punch. Your knuckles will do the work. One time a guy accidentally punched my nose lightly and I started tearing it was quick also.

When I see people fight(real fight) they just punch with all their might which kinda makes it slower unless you trained alot like Bruce.

What do you guys think about that.

simonlarcombe

07-Jul-2003, 09:29 PM

"but even if they don't see the punch coming, if it isn't on target, then it's of no use, is it, because it's going to miss?"

Agreed!

'Executed correctly' is a bit of a misnomer and a tad luxurious in a 'Real' fight"

Also agreed, but this could apply to anything we practice. Actually I didn't really mean what you thought I did, this does not mean "executed 100% perfectly" it means "executed employing the correct principles".

"Besides, just by keeping your guard up, you can nullify most punches by taking them on the arms and elbows"

Now we move onto a different point altogether, this is to do with sensitivity. You can train to go straight through the gaps (there will be some somewhere). Whether your entry causes you to hit with fist, fingers, plam, elbow or to trap etc. is irrelevant.

It's quite apt that you use the example of Muay Thai, I'm going to go back and train at my old class very soon (one of, if not, the best clubs in the UK) to try this stuff full contact against some guys who can fight. Should be a good test, these guys fight hard!

Sorry to be quite short but I'm in a bit of a rush. Could become an interesting thread!

SoKKlab

07-Jul-2003, 11:04 PM

That's okay Simon,
I guess we agreed....

Wong Fei Hung

08-Jul-2003, 12:49 AM

The keyword is guessed , and did you say we?
j/k lol

Nimrook

29-Jul-2003, 04:06 AM

The thing that amazes me about Bruce Lee is not just the speed of his hands but his strength. Experts have said that pound-for-pound Bruce Lee was one of the strongest men in the world.

SoKKlab

29-Jul-2003, 11:59 AM

Ah-Hum 'Experts' say alot of things but I don't believe that he was 'all that'...

Vrax

29-Jul-2003, 03:14 PM

the "secret" to speed striking lies in the feet, not the hands.

watch dan inosanto or ted wong throw a combination and you'll see what i mean. by using hips and heels to direct the blows one can generate many powerful punches in a very short time. this also aids in not telegraphing, as soon as the movement is begun it is ending.

FISH

13-Aug-2003, 04:46 PM

Watch his screen test he is basically a blur.It is true he had to slow down for the cameras so you could see his moves.As for saying he wasn't all that....watch his demonstration of the one inch punch or listen to interwiews with some of his well known students.Not to mention the things he never taught or showed anyone unless he was in a real streetfight.Bruce mastered power,speed,agility,and was unpredictable.That is what every JKD student strives for.

SoKKlab

14-Aug-2003, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by FISH
Watch his screen test he is basically a blur.It is true he had to slow down for the cameras so you could see his moves.As for saying he wasn't all that....watch his demonstration of the one inch punch or listen to interwiews with some of his well known students.Not to mention the things he never taught or showed anyone unless he was in a real streetfight.Bruce mastered power,speed,agility,and was unpredictable.That is what every JKD student strives for.

I feel that some people want to follow icons and build up them up to be god-like. He wasn't 'all that'. A really good martial artist yes. Just a man. Stop worshiping the past.

PS Anybody can be a blur on a 24FPS camera, it's not that much of a speed feat. If it had been a 100FPS Hi-Speed camera then that would of been something. Anyway, who cares?

Tireces

15-Aug-2003, 07:15 AM

I'm saddened that threads like this seem to be generating more response than threads actually about jeet kune do.

Greg-VT

15-Aug-2003, 07:50 AM

I can see what yoru saying Tireces.

People alway relate JKD to Bruce. You can see it here. A Bruce Lee thread in a JKD forum.

But you must understand that more people know about Bruce Lee then people about JKD. So it's only natural that 'threads like this' get more response.

Tireces

15-Aug-2003, 05:01 PM

But why do we need to debate his exact punching speed? Or how he died? Or who he could beat up if he were still alive, or back in his prime, or whatever? I can understand picking apart videotaped interviews or taped training sessions, seeking information on his training methods, but how does debating the exact speed of his strikes apply to Jeet Kune Do? I think Jeet Kune Do makes a better topic for discussion than hypothetical "what was Bruce capable of" kinds of debates. I'm not the kind of person who uses "Bruce Lee did it this way" to justify Jeet Kune Do, when people ask me about it with no beforehand knowledge, I don't even bring him up. I'd just rather see the art discussed more than the man. It's a good art because it's a good art, not because its creator was incredible.

Greg-VT

16-Aug-2003, 02:26 AM

How does debating the exact speed of his strikes apply to Jeet Kune Do? Your right, It does'nt.

If this thread were posted in the General forum, then it would have a place. You see, what I'm saying is, if this thread were in the General Disscussion forum, would you have an issue then? No, because it's not linked to JKD. But here, the in the JKD forum, it does'nt really have any relevence.

I'm not the kind of person who uses "Bruce Lee did it this way" to justify Jeet Kune Do, when people ask me about it with no beforehand knowledge, I don't even bring him up.

I'm not at all knowledgable in JKD as some. If you did use "Bruce Lee did it this way" , that would not really be JKD, would it?

Tireces

16-Aug-2003, 06:20 AM

No it would not, and that is why my Sifu strongly discourages answering questions in that manner. I'm just saying arbitrary things about Bruce that don't really apply to the art shouldn't be here, because people DON'T learn more about the art from them.

BryanX

03-Oct-2003, 05:30 PM

I have a clip of Bruce doing 2 punches really really fast! I'll upload it to my Angelfire account ASAP and then you guys can decide how fast he was. It's really fast from what I can tell. It's on close-up too, so that's good.

He knows how to control the speed of it, when to start and when to stop - at the same time, making the punch really powerful and really fast. Bruce probably has the fastest reflexes I know of. Jet Li comes in close at 2nd.

Floorismyfriend

27-Oct-2003, 09:47 PM

I have watched enough bruce lee movies to appreciate his speed.
BUT what you people dont understand is punching quick loses alot of power and takes alot of energy. In the movies it might show him punching a guy ou it in less than a tenth of a second but then again its just a movie. In reality if he where to punch the same way in a real fight it would feel more like a slap. Also the way he moves his body when he punches also gives us a look at how much power the punch is really packing. From what i have seen ol brucie doesnt seem to put alot of power in his punches or kicks.

Andy Murray

27-Oct-2003, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by Floorismyfriend
I have watched enough bruce lee movies to appreciate his speed.
BUT what you people dont understand is punching quick loses alot of power and takes alot of energy. In the movies it might show him punching a guy ou it in less than a tenth of a second but then again its just a movie. In reality if he where to punch the same way in a real fight it would feel more like a slap. Also the way he moves his body when he punches also gives us a look at how much power the punch is really packing. From what i have seen ol brucie doesnt seem to put alot of power in his punches or kicks.

Enlightening.

Thank You.

Cain

28-Oct-2003, 01:53 AM

BryanX

28-Oct-2003, 03:47 AM

Greg-VT

28-Oct-2003, 05:23 AM

No, Don't.

Tireces

28-Oct-2003, 07:26 AM

Originally posted by Floorismyfriend
From what i have seen ol brucie doesnt seem to put alot of power in his punches or kicks.

If you say things like that a lot, I can see why youre so well acquainted with the floor.

Kwajman

28-Oct-2003, 01:58 PM

I don't understand the reasons behind the almost mythical status of him. I'm not putting him down, but I know people who, if you badmouth him, look at you as if you were an alien or something. Kinda like those Elvis worshippers :rolleyes:. Can anyone explain it for me? Like someone just said, he was a man, a very good martial artist, not a very good actor, and an incredible physical specimen.

BryanX

29-Oct-2003, 02:05 AM

One thing is for sure....

Bruce was definitely prepared for people to say stuff like that about him. He was prepared for alot of things, even his own death. All you have to do is watch Bruce Lee documentaries. Don't just make up all these assumptions in your head.

Floorismyfriend

01-Nov-2003, 07:39 AM

In all of no holds barred competitions have any of u ever seen anyone that fights like bruce lee?
Can I get a ****** NO
Its because its just not as practicle as in real life is it is in the movies. Its like how rambo can carry an m60 machine gun in one hand or how james bond can save the world over and over again without ever having to go to a nursing home.

Jet li would woop bruce lee butox any time of the week btw.

Greg-VT

01-Nov-2003, 07:59 AM

Originally posted by Floorismyfriend
In all of no holds barred competitions have any of u ever seen anyone that fights like bruce lee?
Can I get a ****** NO

Have you seen Bruce Lee actually fight? Or just his performances in his movies?

Jet li would woop bruce lee butox any time of the week btw.

I'm a big fan of Jet's, but I don't this happening. :p

Floorismyfriend

01-Nov-2003, 09:21 AM

Personaly i would love to see brucelee fight a real person.
Got any good websites?

Sure it can.
I think they are trying to clone bruce lee in some remote island right now. Then we will see!!!!

shuyun3

05-Jun-2004, 11:00 AM

what happened to punching speed? oh well. I do have a friend who can punch realy fast and strong using a tight sinawali form (from FMA). It becomes almost like Ranma's fictional Tatsukenshin Ameguriken technique. He by the way punched a hole in the wall when it was done (much to his mom's chagrin) But I do believe timing is more important than speed. But speed is such a gret weapon as well and must not be underestimated

And by the way, its one thing to be inspired by Bruce it's another thing to worship him. Some more years down the line I think JKD would have evolved quite differently (if he stayed alive) from all the research he's been doing.

pug32

05-Jun-2004, 10:42 PM

For the sake of JKD progression can we please stop posting anything about how fast bruce lee was or if he could compete in MMA

IT IS TEDIOUS SPECULATION

I log on to this forum in the hope that it may pass on someones training experience in the art in either a positive or negative way that will allow us to learn and progress. Have you applied Jun Fan and either won or lost vs another art? Have you trained in another art? If so what did you learn?

In one year of reading i have probably seen five posts that have filled this criteria. Read back through the JKD forum and compare it to others, it falls sadly short of what the concept had hoped for.

Do we all need to spend our time in the FMA and MMA sections for any kind of learning potential?

/rant

Ad McG

06-Jun-2004, 12:14 AM

Do we all need to spend our time in the FMA and MMA sections for any kind of learning potential?

/rant

Mostly yes, it would seem.

Maximicus

06-Jun-2004, 12:29 AM

Yes, no doubt. Now get back to your JKD Kata work or you'll never make BB!

ROokie

16-Jun-2004, 08:07 PM

8 punches in 1 second is simply impossible. He was fast but not that fast.

simonlarcombe

17-Jun-2004, 09:25 AM

8 punches in 1 second is simply impossible. He was fast but not that fast.

Not only is it not impossible, it's not even fast!

hux

20-Oct-2005, 08:56 PM

edit

comment removed, this is an oooooold thread.

/edit

hux

20-Oct-2005, 08:57 PM

I have no idea how I ended up in such an old thread. Sorry for reviving it.

Shrukin89

21-Oct-2005, 02:38 PM

Bruce has a very quick reaction time, and reflex I would think.
and 8 punches per second fully extended is pretty fast. It's just like counting as fast as you can outloud from 1-8 and that will take you approximately 1 second or a bit less.

and .12 seconds is fast if you think about it.

Try the reflex test game again to see if you can beat .12 seconds.

Rakim

21-Oct-2005, 05:27 PM

thejimbo

22-Oct-2005, 11:38 PM

rakim, he said .03 not 0.3. also read the rest of the thread, there are a few explantions on the math. I used to ( when I practiced jeet kun do exclusivly) punch very fast. I only could reach these speeds with a left hand lead, and I did it with ONLY my lead hand(no rear at all, I assume thats what is being discussed). I measured, albeit poorly, at 8 punches in 1 second with only my lead hand, also the punches had to be solid and actually useful other wise whats the point. So after mearsuring this many times I came to the conclusion that my full punching speed, again with one hand, was around 5-6 hits a second. Keep in mind I only counted the times the hits were near full force. So is 8 hits a second fast? yes and no. for someone like me, and most of us for that sake, thats very fast. For someone like lee or other high level practitioners its still pretty fast but I would bet there are people who can get to 12/sec or even higher. Of coarse I am one of those peaple who believe these so called "human limits" or many times only in your mind. and for the guy who said 8/sec isn't even fast I'm calling B.S. on that. I play guitar and most people can't even play that fast with four fingers let alone hit that fast with one arm.

Shrukin89

23-Oct-2005, 05:34 AM

I guess everybody has to understand him as to not underestimate him. He performed incredible feats with strength, power, and energy. As goes for Jet Li, Jackie Chan, and others. We shouldn't really judge for who is faster, quicker, stronger or better. People have the potential to become better, than they were before and they do focus to become better. (Training the mind to the outer bounds). More like competing against yourself, like an example: "Workout harder today then yesterday." Keep on track of that and eat well. So your body would be able to adjust to the intensity level that you would want to achieve and practice lots of it.

To have a good body you must need a good mind to get a good soul.

Which means that you can set your body, mind, and soul to a level that you truely want to be at.

So tell yourself with your mind to train harder and you will succeed to have a better body and a better soul.