God, UFO's, Ghosts explained scientifically?

[YODA]

Interesting findings on applying electromagnetic fields to the temporal lobes......

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Recently, in early 2002, researchers at the Centre of the Mind in Sydney, Australia successfully used TMS to increase creativity in a group of 17 volunteers. The team used brief, low-frequency signals to recreate the same "brain weather" observed in autistic savants (creative geniuses like Dustin Hoffman's character in Rain Man). Within 15 minutes, the subjects were drawing better than they ever could before. Further experiments could prove that anyone has the potential to become a creative genius with just the flick of a switch.

Pioneering TMS researcher Michael Persinger, a neuropsychologist at Canada's Laurentian University in Sudbury, Ontario, is doing even more astounding work. By stimulating specific areas in the right hemisphere of the brain, he is able to induce mystical states of consciousness, giving some subjects the experience of encountering God.

In scientific terminology, he uses a specific, precisely timed, repetitive signal - one dubbed the "Thomas Pulse" - to create a "sensed presence" in the test subject's brain. Some volunteers have reported feelings of pleasant detachment, while others have broken into a panic, convinced the test chamber is "hexed". And some have had direct experience of the divine.

Persinger is convinced that naturally occurring electromagnetic fluctuations could be responsible for paranormal experiences like ghosts, UFOs and mystical apparitions. Some have argued, on the basis of Persinger's work, that religion itself could be electromagnetic in origin - and the transcendent experiences like those recounted by saints and mystics can be recreated with electromagnetic pulses in his laboratory.
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Click for the full article (http://www.erowid.org/spirit/devices/devices_article1.shtml)

Another on a similar topic (http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.11/persinger.html)

[Bon]

Damn, that's so cool!

[morphus]

Oooooo..........wouldn't that be nice to be able to instantly improve our knowledge or practicality in ......anything we desire really!


I've never been a believer in ghosts an' all that........i would alway rationalise it, would not be surprised at all at these findings, among other logical explainations. Conditions always play a paart in the paranormal.

Houdini - one of my heros spent the latter part of his life looking for a true psychic or see'er ..............never found one & disproved all those he came across!:cool:

[NielStewart]

Electromagnetic stimuli dictating what is real.....the matrix has you!

[YODA]

Originally posted by NielStewart
Electromagnetic stimuli dictating what is real.....the matrix has you!


I haven't seen it :D

[r4bid]

either one?

[YODA]

Nope

[Bon]

Why not, YODA?

[Mo Lung]

Trust the Aussies to answer the world's great questions!

;)

YODA - you haven't seen the Matrix? What kind of freak are you!?

[YODA]

A busy one who should train less and go to the mivies more :D

Usually the only movies I get to see are ones I can take the kids to see.

[Cain]

A busy one who should train less and go to the mivies more :D

Ok, now I got a good excuse for not watching either lord of the rings ;)

*lays back with popcorn*

|Cain|

[Knight_Errant]

Damn, so the voices aren't real?

[wayofthedragon]

ahhh man, runnin out of time, but I'm gonna love posting my thoughts here. I'll hit it up later this evening

[Spike]

Any considered that maybe the ghosts cause the Electromagnetic fluctuations?

[YODA]

Nope

And fluctucaucasians too!

[Kimpatsu]

Any considered that maybe the ghosts cause the Electromagnetic fluctuations?
On the off-chance that you're not being facetious, then the answer is no, because to posit such is a violation of Occam's Razor.
Of course, I think you're just funnin', in which case, kudos for the dry sense of humour.

[Mo Lung]

A busy one who should train less and go to the mivies more :D

This from someone with more than 10,000 posts on MAP!

And what are mivies?

;)

[Kimpatsu]

And what are mivies?
Mini-movies? :confused: :D

[YounGrasshopper]

Personally, i think that UFOs are People from the future coming back in these Unidentified Flying Objects.....And dont even get me started on BigFoot (He IS real I Would promise it.....) (Im Native American, if that would say anything)

[Poop-Loops]

Interesting findings on applying electromagnetic fields to the temporal lobes......

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Recently, in early 2002, researchers at the Centre of the Mind in Sydney, Australia successfully used TMS to increase creativity in a group of 17 volunteers. The team used brief, low-frequency signals to recreate the same "brain weather" observed in autistic savants (creative geniuses like Dustin Hoffman's character in Rain Man). Within 15 minutes, the subjects were drawing better than they ever could before. Further experiments could prove that anyone has the potential to become a creative genius with just the flick of a switch.

Pioneering TMS researcher Michael Persinger, a neuropsychologist at Canada's Laurentian University in Sudbury, Ontario, is doing even more astounding work. By stimulating specific areas in the right hemisphere of the brain, he is able to induce mystical states of consciousness, giving some subjects the experience of encountering God.

In scientific terminology, he uses a specific, precisely timed, repetitive signal - one dubbed the "Thomas Pulse" - to create a "sensed presence" in the test subject's brain. Some volunteers have reported feelings of pleasant detachment, while others have broken into a panic, convinced the test chamber is "hexed". And some have had direct experience of the divine.

Persinger is convinced that naturally occurring electromagnetic fluctuations could be responsible for paranormal experiences like ghosts, UFOs and mystical apparitions. Some have argued, on the basis of Persinger's work, that religion itself could be electromagnetic in origin - and the transcendent experiences like those recounted by saints and mystics can be recreated with electromagnetic pulses in his laboratory.
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The top part is cool, I'd like to increase my brain power :) but the second part is bogus. "he uses a specific, precisely timed, repetitive signal" How often does that happen outside in the middle of nowhere? Oh, and I'm not just pulling this out of my ass, I've heard this arguement before, and this is what I heard to refute it. :)

PL

[Kwajman]

Electromagnetic pulses have been attributed to many different things. The military have several research projects going on right now regarding them. Some as weapons, some as transferring of information. Good stuff what little I know of them.

[Kimpatsu]

Electromagnetic pulses have been attributed to many different things. The military have several research projects going on right now regarding them. Some as weapons, some as transferring of information. Good stuff what little I know of them.
Pulsars give off elctromagnetic pulses (that what they're name means). The trouble with using scientific jargon is that people think it's something mysterious...

[Poop-Loops]

Lots of it is. Dark matter? Dark energy? Scientists aren't sure what it is. Yet it makes up like 80% of the universe.

PL

[Kimpatsu]

Lots of it is. Dark matter? Dark energy? Scientists aren't sure what it is. Yet it makes up like 80% of the universe.

PL
Dark matter is a hypothesis that is gaining credence, used to explain why the universe is more massive than we can see. You've heard the theory of the Big Crunch, I take it? When the galaxies, which are all racing away from each other, will gradually slow down, and then start to be pulled back in towards each other because of gravity, resulting in a big crunch. Well, knowing when the Big Bang happened, and calculating the mass of the universe from what we can observe should tally with the speed of the galaxies... but it doesn't! Some other force is working to drive the galaxies further apart; the galaxies are travelling faster than they should! So, what is the unseen force causing this phenomenon? Hence the Dark Matter hypothesis.
HTH.

[Yama Tombo]

www.abovetopsecret.com funniest site I've ever seen.

[jroe52]

interesting article. i saw some of its reserach on tv once. the electropulses often caused people to reinact similiar scenerios to ufo abductions. then i was thinking, well if all these people know some ***** going to happen in the experiment, maybe they will chose to dream about ufos and this only enhances the dream. so maybe it doesn't create the god/ufo but enhances it? hmm iono. but i do imagine it would help intellectual abilities, now if only they don't monopolize the helmets!

[shunyadragon]

Interesting findings on applying electromagnetic fields to the temporal lobes......

=================
Recently, in early 2002, researchers at the Centre of the Mind in Sydney, Australia successfully used TMS to increase creativity in a group of 17 volunteers. The team used brief, low-frequency signals to recreate the same "brain weather" observed in autistic savants (creative geniuses like Dustin Hoffman's character in Rain Man). Within 15 minutes, the subjects were drawing better than they ever could before. Further experiments could prove that anyone has the potential to become a creative genius with just the flick of a switch.

Pioneering TMS researcher Michael Persinger, a neuropsychologist at Canada's Laurentian University in Sudbury, Ontario, is doing even more astounding work. By stimulating specific areas in the right hemisphere of the brain, he is able to induce mystical states of consciousness, giving some subjects the experience of encountering God.

In scientific terminology, he uses a specific, precisely timed, repetitive signal - one dubbed the "Thomas Pulse" - to create a "sensed presence" in the test subject's brain. Some volunteers have reported feelings of pleasant detachment, while others have broken into a panic, convinced the test chamber is "hexed". And some have had direct experience of the divine.

Persinger is convinced that naturally occurring electromagnetic fluctuations could be responsible for paranormal experiences like ghosts, UFOs and mystical apparitions. Some have argued, on the basis of Persinger's work, that religion itself could be electromagnetic in origin - and the transcendent experiences like those recounted by saints and mystics can be recreated with electromagnetic pulses in his laboratory.

Sounds like a good plot for a movie or an TV mini-series. I tend to question the scientific controls used on this type of research from this type of institution. In the past such claims fadded when faced with more comprehensive controled scientific research.

[Poop-Loops]

Dark matter is a hypothesis that is gaining credence, used to explain why the universe is more massive than we can see. You've heard the theory of the Big Crunch, I take it? When the galaxies, which are all racing away from each other, will gradually slow down, and then start to be pulled back in towards each other because of gravity, resulting in a big crunch. Well, knowing when the Big Bang happened, and calculating the mass of the universe from what we can observe should tally with the speed of the galaxies... but it doesn't! Some other force is working to drive the galaxies further apart; the galaxies are travelling faster than they should! So, what is the unseen force causing this phenomenon? Hence the Dark Matter hypothesis.
HTH.

Yeah, what I'm saying is that they still don't know what that dark matter really is. So lots of things in science really are mysterious. :p

PL

[khafra]

Sounds like a good plot for a movie or an TV mini-series. I tend to question the scientific controls used on this type of research from this type of institution. In the past such claims fadded when faced with more comprehensive controled scientific research.

Which type? The research centre in Australia, or the university in Canada? They sound fairly different to me. I'm betting more on your inadvertant prediction (becoming a fad) than your intended prediction (fading away). After all, most experiments showing acupuncture's efficacy are done in China, subject to the same shortcomings, and acupuncture's still popular.

[shunyadragon]

Which type? The research centre in Australia, or the university in Canada? They sound fairly different to me. I'm betting more on your inadvertant prediction (becoming a fad) than your intended prediction (fading away). After all, most experiments showing acupuncture's efficacy are done in China, subject to the same shortcomings, and acupuncture's still popular.

The type of research that deals with things that are difficult to measure like those in these studies. Creativity is really difficult to measure objectively. I wil definitely take a wait and see attitude on this one.

Accupuncture is entrenched deep in the culture of China and research results will reflect this. This is especially is true because China does not have a deep scientific tradition of modern research.

[killbill]

I hate to say "I told you so" but uh....I TOLD YOU SO! It has always seemed pretty obvious to me that the EM fields of the human body are responsible for a lot of so called unexplained things. (chi powers, out of body expirience, healing powers, auras, "psychics", as well as others)

[YounGrasshopper]

Does Anyone see the same way as i do?

[shunyadragon]

Does Anyone see the same way as i do?

If your referring to your views on UFOs and Big Foot. My answer is simple. The current evidence lacks substantial scientific documentation for me to support these views as anything more than possibilities.

Need more evidence.

[Poop-Loops]

I still stand by my point that a "specific, precisely timed, repetitive signal" doesn't happen in nature at all.

PL

[bcullen]

I still stand by my point that a "specific, precisely timed, repetitive signal" doesn't happen in nature at all.

PL
Umm, sorry to say that point is duller then a speech by ol' G. Dubya.
When a specific, precisely timed, repetitive signal is naturally produced by plucking the top string of a guitar (assuming standard tuning was performed) it's called E (natural, no pun intended).

When you see the traffic light turn red, this too is produced by a precisely timed, repetitive signal.

The webpage you now see was processed by an electromagnetic signal passing through your proccessor also a precisely timed, repetitive signal (I'm guessing somewhere between 300 MHz to 2+ GHz)

Electricty and magnetism are heavily linked: If you alter magnetic fields you generate electricity, if you generate electricity you create a magnetic field. It's all about specifically timed siganls. Oscillations are natural in most forms of energy including light, sound, radio etc... There are so many natural conditions that effect energy it's really hard to say what can occur. For example:

During a DSL installation in Chandler, Arizona I was greeted by a middle aged woman who informed me that she also wanted me to remove her cable modem for her. I set about my business, all the while listening to a local radio show with an easy listening format at considerable volume. Thinking nothing of it I disconnected the cable modem and the music stopped. With that the lady exclaimed "Thank God! I've had to listen to that crap day and night for the last month, ever since they installed that thing".

Somehow the combination of equipment and it's location produced a perfect filter for that radio frequncy, go figure. She said she had called tech support and they thought she was crazy. I can't blame them, I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it first hand.

[shunyadragon]

Umm, sorry to say that point is duller then a speech by ol' G. Dubya.
When a specific, precisely timed, repetitive signal is naturally produced by plucking the top string of a guitar (assuming standard tuning was performed) it's called E (natural, no pun intended).

When you see the traffic light turn red, this too is produced by a precisely timed, repetitive signal.

The webpage you now see was processed by an electromagnetic signal passing through your proccessor also a precisely timed, repetitive signal (I'm guessing somewhere between 300 MHz to 2+ GHz)

Electricty and magnetism are heavily linked: If you alter magnetic fields you generate electricity, if you generate electricity you create a magnetic field. It's all about specifically timed siganls. Oscillations are natural in most forms of energy including light, sound, radio etc... There are so many natural conditions that effect energy it's really hard to say what can occur. For example:

During a DSL installation in Chandler, Arizona I was greeted by a middle aged woman who informed me that she also wanted me to remove her cable modem for her. I set about my business, all the while listening to a local radio show with an easy listening format at considerable volume. Thinking nothing of it I disconnected the cable modem and the music stopped. With that the lady exclaimed "Thank God! I've had to listen to that crap day and night for the last month, ever since they installed that thing".

Somehow the combination of equipment and it's location produced a perfect filter for that radio frequncy, go figure. She said she had called tech support and they thought she was crazy. I can't blame them, I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it first hand.

There is a big difference in natural signals and an artificial intelligence signal in virtually all cases. Precise timing can occur in nature, but it will be different. Natural objects in space like black holes and other sources that emit signals can have specific frequencies, be regular and timed, but this reflects the wave length of the signal and another factor called chaos patterns. Part of the regular timing is do to orbital factors. Almost all signals, like static and background noise in electronics follow a predicable chaotic pattern. This chaos pattern is important in understanding nature, because it is the fingerprint of nature. What scientists are looking for is regular, precisely timed signals that do not fit these natural patterns. It is possible that a freak pattern may occur that fits this, but not on a regular repetitive basis like a coded transmission signal.

I experienced a rather bizzare situation when I was living in North Carolina. I rented a room in an old victorian house. It was always rumored to be haunted particularly the kitchen and one wall and stair case to the root cellar seemed to be the focus of much of the action. There were many reports of vibrations, music and voices coming from the wall and stair way. Electric lights would flicker some times lights in time with the mysterious sounds. I experienced some of these incidents.

The mystery was solved one mornig quit by accident. One of the boarders had brought a radio to the kitchen and turned it on. Lo and behold the wall began to play the same song as the radio. Further investigation concluded that the wires, nails and whatever had some how occured in such a pattern to act as a radio reciever and the wall acted like a speaker. We noticed that if we plugged in the old toaster the quality of the sound was improved. It may have acted as an improved antenna.