Prayers for the Pope [Archive] - Martial Arts Planet

Ikken Hisatsu

02-Apr-2005, 09:24 PM

yeah, his big push in africa to stop the use of condoms- remember kids, they dont work against teh aids- what a great person. I feel happy for him though, at least now he doesnt have to be a skeletal puppet, carted out and propped up by the church.

john yates

02-Apr-2005, 09:30 PM

we all go in to the light

Gojira

02-Apr-2005, 09:35 PM

R.I.P.
john paul II

smiff

02-Apr-2005, 09:37 PM

He was a good man and will be missed serverly by millions all over the world. Me and my friends may be young but we have great respect for the man with all he has done and we are glad he can now rest in peace.

LUKE + Co

holyheadjch

02-Apr-2005, 09:40 PM

He was a great man who's passing is not only a great loss to Roman Catholics but to the whole world

Keysi_chick

02-Apr-2005, 10:31 PM

R.I.P. Pope John Paul II

He was truly an icon...not only to Roman Catholics but to people of all religions...he inspired so many people even though some of his views were very strong...im glad hes now at peace and no longer in suffering...however he will be sorely missed as an ambassador for human rights as well as the poor :Angel:

Thomas

03-Apr-2005, 10:21 PM

Religious differences/beliefs aside... I had a lot of respect for the pope and will be surprised if they rep[lace him with someone even half as good.

I spent a moment of silence to honor him.

CanuckMA

04-Apr-2005, 03:16 AM

I stand in a fairly unque situation. I am a Jew and a former Catholic. I believe that he was wrong on most socio-religious rulings (contraception, marriage for priest, etc) and not forcefull enough during the scandal.

BUT. or his record on relations with the Jewish community and for his record as a social activist and influence in the second half of the 20th century, he was a Giant.

R.I.P. Karol.

Baruch Dayan Emet.

AZeitung

04-Apr-2005, 04:42 AM

Time for prayers is over, I'm afraid.

Pope John Paul II has just died.

BBC News link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4399715.stm)

But for Catholics the time of prayer has just begun :D (and for protestants, too, if they hadn't deleted II Macabees from their bibles :p ).

MarioBro

04-Apr-2005, 05:42 AM

KickChick

05-Apr-2005, 05:17 PM

Imagine a boy who loses his mother at age 8, his only brother at age 12, and the last remaining member of his family, his beloved father, at age 20. In an oppressed country in troubled times, he is completely alone in the world.

What does such a boy make of his fractured life? He becomes the spiritual leader of more than a billion people

RIP :Angel:

Kwajman

09-Apr-2005, 02:10 AM

tekkengod

09-Apr-2005, 02:22 AM

Imagine a boy who loses his mother at age 8, his only brother at age 12, and the last remaining member of his family, his beloved father, at age 20. In an oppressed country in troubled times, he is completely alone in the world.

shows how god planned on repaying him huh.....religious ideals a side.

Rest in Peace. job well done.

myki

09-Apr-2005, 05:41 AM

He did more for the church and the world than people realize.
Didn't agree with all he did but certainly didn't quell my respect.
Rest, JP II, rest now.

Kwajman

10-Apr-2005, 02:17 PM

He's gone, let him go.

tekkengod

10-Apr-2005, 03:23 PM

He's gone, let him go.

I agree.

Please please PLEASE let me hear about the gas prices and the war on my god damn news channel.

on a positive not, i did get to catch a small segment on "internet bombing"
{pranking the police on the net} before they smeared the logo feces of the church all over my screen once more.

CKava

10-Apr-2005, 03:30 PM

An Iconic religious figure dies and people start complaining after a week or so that people should stop mentioning him? I think anyone who's getting upset about hearing about the Pope's death should take their own advice and chill a bit.

Christianity and in particular Catholicism tends to bring out the extremes in people but on this occasion I don't think a thread with 20 replies is an over the top tribute...

tekkengod

10-Apr-2005, 03:38 PM

thats fine, feel free to post about it until your fingers bleed. go to his funeral, i don't care. go, go and pray your asses off, but for the love of whatever invisable man you worship, get it off my god damn news channel. even my beloved fox news has fallen.

AZeitung

10-Apr-2005, 04:12 PM

I agree.

Please please PLEASE let me hear about the gas prices

What exactly do you want to hear about gas prices? They're posted at your local gas station, if you're that interested.

CKava

10-Apr-2005, 04:37 PM

Fox news channel is beloved to you? Well Im not religious and not Christian either but I think I'll be praying for you ;).

tekkengod

10-Apr-2005, 04:40 PM

i like fox news channel. thats where Bill comes on. as well as a few other good shows. good coverage. whats wrong with fox news?

tekkengod

10-Apr-2005, 04:42 PM

What exactly do you want to hear about gas prices? They're posted at your local gas station, if you're that interested.

i know that, but i wanna hear somebody tell me that they are gonna go up and then come back down as the market over shoots sometime in september.
:D

seriously, anything other than the pope and schiavo would be much appreciated, i'd love to hear how my country's troops are doing.

SavageHenry

10-Apr-2005, 04:46 PM

whats wrong with fox news?

They're highly subjective and not very accurate. They tell you what they want you to hear basically. Something like Gonzo Journalism without the drunken prose of Hunter S. Thompson. So basically it comes down to if I want Gonzo I'll go with the pro on that one.

As for the Pope....RIP

tekkengod

10-Apr-2005, 04:47 PM

that may be true, but they still have the best overall coverage and are home to the Bill man.

Shadow_of_Evil

10-Apr-2005, 05:03 PM

Someone wanna explain to me what the hell made the Pope such a great man?
Honestly.
Nothing more than a puppet if you ask me. Good ridence.

AZeitung

10-Apr-2005, 05:26 PM

Someone wanna explain to me what the hell made the Pope such a great man?
Honestly.
Nothing more than a puppet if you ask me. Good ridence.

He had a huge influence on the fall of comunism. Even at my age I can remember when the Berlin wall came down, and what kind of an impact that had.

Church officials didn't want to appoint him archbishop, but the government had to approve all of their choices, and wanted him. He was a fairly young (38) academic (and actor/playwrite) who they thought they could get on their side to create strife in the church. But he actually helped hold the church together in troubled times.

He promoted unity between all of the Christian religions.

He promoted friendship and tollerance with other religions by visiting holy sites, talking to leaders of other faiths, etc.

He travelled throughout the world, visiting nearly every country at least once trying to promote peace and unity.

He was a very down to earth nice person, from some of the stories I've heard about him.

I find it very odd that you'd call him a pupet, since he was always known for his outspoken, defiant, firm standing behavior.

I'm sure there's lots more that I've left out, too.

SavageHenry

10-Apr-2005, 05:31 PM

I find it very odd that you'd call him a pupet, since he was always known for his outspoken, defiant, firm standing behavior.

I also find it odd that he would be called a puppet, from what I understand his policies on interfaith dialouge was looked down on by the Conservitive end of Catholics. While his beliefs on marriage and sexuality were looked down by the more Liberal Catholics. So that being said he was NOT a puppet because neither side had this him tied down and he didn't feel the need to agree with people for the sake of politics. Sounds like the exact opposite of puppet even.

Personally I think his attempts to reconcile differences between different faiths was probably his single most important effort. Followed closely by his role in the fall of the Berlin wall.

Shadow_of_Evil

10-Apr-2005, 05:39 PM

He promoted unity between all of the Christian religions.

Being someone of Northern Irish descent, and having a North Ireland girlfriend, I'm obviously going to say deleted to that.

Points can be made without swearing - I know they can...I've seen it...actually..I have made MY points quite clear before without swearing.

Thank you.

Sorry mods, didn't realise that word was a swear. So use to it from my background.

CKava

10-Apr-2005, 07:26 PM

I am Northern Irish and I agree with it... Northern Irelands politics have little (if anything?) to do with the Pope.

Kwajman

11-Apr-2005, 02:59 AM

The immediate area I live in isn't very catholic so there wasn't a lot of publicity about him here.

myki

11-Apr-2005, 05:17 AM

I have to wonder why a member with a handle like “Shadow of Evil” would come to a religion web site, for one, and second, what is the purpose of his question?

We all have to accept people for who they are and accept their particular beliefs also, for what they are. So “Shadow of Evil” doesn’t like the Pope or the Catholic religion…who really cares? He can bad mouth him and berate his Papacy until he expires.
Nothing will erase what John Paul did for his Church.

I’m not Catholic, and I don’t agree with all that the Pope does or stands for, but like most MAs I’m a believer in courtesy and integrity.

Shadow_of_Evil

11-Apr-2005, 02:59 PM

Btw: I have that username because it has been my user name since it was the title of the first home movie I made about a decade ago ;)
When did I say I don't like the Catholic Religion? Heck, I hate the religion, but where did I previously state that?

AZeitung

11-Apr-2005, 03:47 PM

Well, it doesn't take a genius to pull it from context.

Kwajman

11-Apr-2005, 04:42 PM

Maybe ask a mod to close the thread before it goes into the tank.

KickChick

11-Apr-2005, 05:02 PM

There is no need to close this thread as long as you folllow MAP's Terms of Service Sec. 1.7 which states:
"Threads or replies promoting or expressing intolerant views towards any group (race, religion, sexual preference, interracial couples, etc.) will not be tolerated.

Consider this the only warning. Violators will be binned I can assure you

For those that wish to continue with their thoughts & prayers can continue to do so ... for all you others, if you dislike the sentiment of this thread than move along and find another thread that suits your interest.

shotokanwarrior

11-Apr-2005, 05:31 PM

Guess what, I agree with Tekkengod's sentiments. They totally hijacked the media with that stuff about the Pope, it was all anyone heard about. I was saying to my mother 'For god's sake, all he did was die.' People die all the time and it doesn't get that much hype, yet to their loved ones it would be just as important.

That, and I believe in abortion, and I think it less morally repugnant to use a condom than to inflict AIDS on an innocent child.

Thomas

11-Apr-2005, 05:40 PM

Growing up, I learned that speaking ill of the dead was considered bad manners. When someone dies, either pay your respects or say nothing.

I imagine the side topics could be handled on another thread.

tekkengod

11-Apr-2005, 05:45 PM

Guess what, I agree with Tekkengod's sentiments. They totally hijacked the media with that stuff about the Pope

and I believe in abortion, and I think it less morally repugnant to use a condom than to inflict AIDS on an innocent child.

I just want my GOD DAMN NEWS CHANNEL BACK :woo: :bang: :woo:

You agree with abortion! :eek: wow, we have really similar views

KickChick

11-Apr-2005, 05:45 PM

shotokanwarrior & tekkengod
.... exactly what part of my post did the both of you not understand?

tekkengod

11-Apr-2005, 05:48 PM

shotokanwarrior & tekkengod
.... exactly what part of my post did the both of you not understand?

all i said is that i want my news channel back, nothing offensive there, and i don't think its too much to ask either.

Kinjiro Tsukasa

11-Apr-2005, 05:50 PM

all i said is that i want my news channel back, nothing offensive there, and i don't think its too much to ask either.
The only problem is, you've said it at least three times here already, and this thread isn't the place for it. If you want to discuss gas prices, or anything else in the news, please use another thread.

tekkengod

11-Apr-2005, 05:53 PM

no probelm.

KickChick

11-Apr-2005, 05:54 PM

and i don't think its too much to ask either.

... and I don't think it is too much to ask that you keep thread on track ... have nothing positive to contribute specifically to this thread then find another.

My patience is wearing thin with you ...

thank you

Shadow_of_Evil

12-Apr-2005, 05:55 AM

My patience is wearing thin with you ...

RUUUN!!!!!

nzric

12-Apr-2005, 11:20 AM

John Paul II was the most (?) widely travelled pope ever, and did a lot to raise respect of the church in the world (not least for finally apologising to Galileo for persecuting him and apologising to many Jews for the Vatican's (non)actions in WWII).

I'm especially impressed by his act of forgiveness toward his attempted assassin, by going into the jail soon after the shooting to meet and talk privately with him.

However, he did have his critics, especially regarding his attitude toward birth control in the 3rd world, as well as claims he covered up, or at least failed to address sex abuse accusations re: catholic priests. You just have to look at the controversy that's blown up around Cardinal Bernard Law today to notice this.

He was a well loved pope but the next pope (second to last one according to St Malachy's prophecies) probably won't receive the adoration many people held for John Paul. This is a mark of the respect people had for him, as much as anything.

Kwajman

13-Apr-2005, 02:56 AM

When John Paul refused to address the sex assault coverup by the church is when he lost an awful lot of respect I think. The church here in Milwaukee, where about 90% of people are catholic, claims to be close to bankruptcy because of the lawsuits, and there are dozens more to come here.

AZeitung

13-Apr-2005, 03:10 AM

Shadow_of_Evil

13-Apr-2005, 08:30 AM

Well I'd believe a con artist before I believed the catholic church.

AZeitung

13-Apr-2005, 03:23 PM

You're not even making any sense at this point. Really, you're just trolling. Go annoy someone else.

Kwajman

13-Apr-2005, 03:56 PM

It is possible that not all the lawsuits are real. First of all, I find it amazing that there are that many lawsuits in your area. Second of all, someone in Naperville sued the church, saying that he had been abused as a kid. It turned out he was a con artist that was trying to make some money.

No doubt that happens. I'm not catholic so I don't know much about it, but most of the lawsuits are being settled out of court. Most of the problem seems to be regarding one particular priest from the late 60's who was deliberately shielded by the now retired archbishop. There was an article just this morning regarding some sort of money to the church called the "Peter penance" or something similar, saying the donations were off like 70%.

holyheadjch

13-Apr-2005, 04:02 PM

Well I'd believe a con artist before I believed the catholic church.
grow up!

tekkengod

13-Apr-2005, 10:09 PM

i sure as hell wouldnt' believe a con artist, but i commend him for having the nuts to not listen to everything the church says.

Melanie

13-Apr-2005, 10:58 PM

tekkengod and Shadow of evil.

I feel you are not entering the spirit of this thread and contributing anything levelly. I feel pretty certain that everyone on the thread is well aware of your feelings by now and in a bid to keep this thread open and so your not frustrated by the lack of agreement from everyone else - perhaps it would be beneficial that you both no longer post on this thread - as it clearly is upsetting you both.

I'm NOT BANNING you I'm warning you - There is more than the two of you contributing to this thread - you two cannot possibly change the opinion of everyone else on this thread and I sincerely do not wish to have anyone - including yourselves any further upset.

If you cannot add anything different to your "argument" please stop posting - or I shall be forced to close the thread.

Kinjiro Tsukasa

13-Apr-2005, 11:05 PM

I agree 100% with what Melanie just posted, and I'm watching this thread, as well.

Since there are people who would like to post appropriately, in the proper spirit of the thread, I would suggest (in the interest of keeping the thread open) that anyone who can't stay on-topic, do not post here.