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Nikeolls
04-Jun-2003, 03:49 PM
Hi, I was just wondering if N E one out there does karate-jitsu. It's a combination of a few styles and not many people have heard of it. It uses mostly Ju-jitsu techniques but there are no weopons used. If N E does then please contact me.
paul paterson
04-Jun-2003, 10:03 PM
Have not heard of karate jitsu however I have heard of karate jutsu. Has anyone else heard of karate jitsu?

Osu
Paul Paterson.
JediMasterChris
05-Jun-2003, 01:08 AM
I would say it is the same, just as some would spell Ju Jutsu and some Ju Jitsu, they are the same thing, kind of like Kenpo and Kempo, same thing, different spellings.
Andrew Green
05-Jun-2003, 04:10 AM
Paul, different romanization, same word

Funakoshi introduced karate to japan as "ryukyu kempo karate-jitsu"

But like most japanese arts the "-do" replaced the "-jitsu".

What you probably have is someone trying to distinguish there karate from everyone elses and make it sound more combative
paul paterson
05-Jun-2003, 07:45 PM
Ok and thanks... If Nikeolls is looking for Karate Jitsu /Jutsu then try my old school. At www.karate-jutsu-kai.com

Osu
Paul Paterson.
paul paterson
05-Jun-2003, 07:50 PM
Osu.

Karate Jutsu Kai is a splinter or offshoot of Kyokushinkai and the school is well respected. Shihan Bernard Creton is probably one of the best fighters and most knowledgable men alive today and it is an honour to know such a man as well as have been a student.

Osu.
Paul Paterson.
Nikeolls
06-Jun-2003, 03:22 PM
THanks guys, ill check out that site
Knight_Errant
10-Jun-2003, 10:42 AM
I think I've heard rumours... Is it like where you first acquire a bunch of karate skills i.e. distance, timing, targetting of techniques, then learn a bit of jj and look at the kata and piece together a load of cool jj-ish techniques? is it?
paul paterson
10-Jun-2003, 01:25 PM
Have no idea, what rumours are these?

Paul Paterson.
Knight_Errant
10-Jun-2003, 01:39 PM
On shotokan planet (yes, again...) http://www.24fightingchickens.com/shotokan/kata/03_purpose.html
paul paterson
10-Jun-2003, 03:59 PM
sorry but these "rumours" are like clouds in the sky. Jutsu meaning the art of, and Karate Jutsu is the art of karate. But remember there is a distinct differnce between that of Jutsu and that of Do. We all read from books but actually partaking in the event is more important. We learn from experience and only a fool would be seen to close his his to life.

Osu.
Paul Paterson.
paul paterson
10-Jun-2003, 04:08 PM
The word "Jutsu" implies the study if the technical aspects of an art in a specific manner definitely pacing emphasis in the practicality of the art as being its essence. Karate in its original form was first referred to as "Karate Jutsu" by the council of leaders of the various schools practising on Okinawa.
(Sensei Burton)

Osu.
Paul Paterson.
Knight_Errant
10-Jun-2003, 05:55 PM
Oops.
Sonshu
12-Jun-2003, 09:25 AM
Still my one has weapons in it.

Staff's, escrima a bit, kubo etc

SONSHU
Knight_Errant
12-Jun-2003, 10:42 AM
Well, yeah, but the implication in the article is that the original karate good stuff was similair to what you get if you do what RR suggests. Does this have any foundation in reality?
Sonshu
12-Jun-2003, 02:59 PM
Over time.

KJ is good but its a hybrid and only as good as the person teaching its ability to blend!

SONSHU
stump
12-Jun-2003, 03:33 PM
Hi,

I trained with a group of Karate Jutsu guys in Hastings. Very little difference from Kyokushin...same good points same bad points. All the guys and girls I trained with were pretty proficiant kickboxers too.
Sonshu
12-Jun-2003, 04:52 PM
That might be the difference between that one and the one I did.

SONSHU
paul paterson
13-Jun-2003, 06:38 PM
Hi Stump,

Know the Hastings mob very well, you are very right there with the Kyokushin. Not only are they proficiant in what they do but in a nut shell, its taking Kyokushin to another level. The same applies to Jiyuseishin and that of Seido, they have matured into the next stage of the arts.

Hi Sonshu,

You are also correct in that its a hybrid, and like all good cross-bred dogs, they bite back...Any art form is as good as the person teaching it and this applies to all.

Osu.
Paul Paterson.
stump
14-Jun-2003, 09:41 AM
SONSHU -

there was no groundwork to speak of. I believe some of teh guys grappled but that was separate and a different class.

Paul -

the instructor is John something.....he's a top notch martial artist and a nice guy.
paul paterson
14-Jun-2003, 07:26 PM
Stump, would the instructor be called Sensei John Wilson by any chance?

Osu.
Paul Paterson.
stump
16-Jun-2003, 06:45 PM
Could be. I just knew him as John.....he had no time for formalities........
zulu
15-Nov-2004, 10:04 PM
jutsu-kai is a fantastic fighting system
it is only let down by the so called commitee members,these are the people who have nothing to do with the training or the teaching of this fighting art
these are just the people who take your money and talk a good fight but infact have never trained in there lives.
osu.