Body toughening to take hits

[mikelw]

What are ways besides full contact sparring and actually getting hit to toughen the body (mostly upper body), shins, and knuckles WITHOUT deforming/harming yourself/ giving yourself arthritis in your later years? Any ideas?

[JediMasterChris]

There are a few post on this under Kenpo, Kickboxing and a few more, take a look at some of them.

[Saz]

What style of karate do you do? What are you trying to toughen yourself up for, fighting, self defence, etc?

You could train yourself to mentally block out pain. The mind can be a powerful thing, use it.

Failing that, go thump some trees :D

[TkdWarrior]

ahaa... i see thumping trees hav become new fad on MAP :D
-TkdWarrior-

[Andrew Green]

Why do you want to do it?

[YODA]

The only thing you need to toughen is your mind.

[LilBunnyRabbit]

What are ways besides full contact sparring and actually getting hit to toughen the body (mostly upper body), shins, and knuckles WITHOUT deforming/harming yourself/ giving yourself arthritis in your later years? Any ideas?

Uh, none really. Maybe surgery...

[Andy Murray]

Originally posted by YODA
The only thing you need to toughen is your mind.

And the best way to do that, is to spar and pressure test!

[AsSaSiN]

When i'm hurting, i just seperate my mind and body, and see it that my broken leg is sending a message to my brain, saying "Ahh u idiot, you broke me!". But, as i said in another post, this will probably be the WRONG way of doing it, as you need to keep mind and body as one, so i'll ditch this method as i get better at combining mind/body.

[YODA]

Originally posted by Andy Murray
And the best way to do that, is to spar and pressure test!


Exactly! :D

You can toughen your mind without martial arts though.

[Kat]

Start playing First Grade Rubgy Legue,your'll get very fit put on weight and get as many hits as any one could ever want all in the name of sport.:D

[YODA]

Originally posted by Kat
Start playing First Grade Rubgy Legue,your'll get very fit put on weight and get as many hits as any one could ever want all in the name of sport.:D


I understand fully Kat- being born & bred in Wigan :D

[steeldiscipline]

Do some research on combat KI. Its a form of body hardening using breathing control and focus. Check out jukokia.com

[YODA]

Originally posted by steeldiscipline
Do some research on combat KI. Its a form of body hardening using breathing control and focus. Check out jukokia.com


(((Sigh)))

Hogwash! Standing there while someone hits you where they are telling you will hit you is a nice party trick. Applying that when some testosterone fuelled nuttyer is trying to dent your head with a fencepost is another matter.

[Adam]

How 'bout this:

www.sindo.org

Can this be done? Channeling inner energy to make yourself invulnerable.

[pgm316]

A more effective way in reality is to hit them hard several time, thus making yourself invulnerable! :)

[YODA]

Originally posted by Adam
How 'bout this:

www.sindo.org

Can this be done? Channeling inner energy to make yourself invulnerable.

NO - you can channel energy to make your students bank accounts lighter though :woo:

[Adam]

my thoughts excactly :D

I really like those bollocks MA sites :D

[steeldiscipline]

Now I dont believe that its some mystical power. Some people think that combat KI is getting hit and not feeling the pain. This has never been the case for me. But I do believe you train this way to control your reaction to pain. If you takes someones best strike and react as if it didnt phase you its phyicalogicly tramatic to your oppent. I believe if train to take strikes to the throat, soloflex, groin, ect. when it happens on the street you will react diffretly.
Its kind of like stubbing your toe and yelling before it ever starts hurting. If someone kicks you in the groin and you fall to the ground what do thinks hes going to do next , thats wright stomp you. Now I know some of the old phillosiphy on the subject hard to swallow but we should keep an open mind.

[Saz]

If someone hits HARD you in the throat/groin etc, it will hurt and you'll go down. No amount of training can prepare you for a serious thumping in critical places like that. If someone's punching you in the stomach/chest/face, then you can train to take blows to there better than other places. Martial arts isn't about making yourself superhuman, its about having a better chance than before.

[pgm316]

I really really do not like combat KI.

I saw an hour long documentary on it. I'd really like to have put their fat instructor to the test! :D Theres little skill in taking single hits to certain parts of the body, they've so lost the track of what MA's is. Its learning to avoid hits, not take them!

I really believe it will offer little in an actual fight! It won't stop your nose being broke, eyes blackened, or your breath taken away, not to mention any locks.......

[Adam]

Does the words Steel Robe or Steel Full jacket ring a bell to anyone?

[Saz]

Not to me, want to elaborate?

[YODA]

Originally posted by Adam
Does the words Steel Robe or Steel Full jacket ring a bell to anyone?

Full Metal Jacket?

[Joe karate]

The site has nothing to do with fighting, just getting hit.

Why not just wear body armor to a fight?

[Adam]

I may have messed up the names, but it's something I heard the Shaolin monks excell at. Supposedly, it's a superior form of body conditioning that will make you able to withstand insane amounts of punishment and also edged weapons (!?!)

I remain sceptical myself, as I have never seen it done, but it is said to be tested and proven.

[Knight_Errant]

said to be tested and proven by whom? I've seen photographs, but then I've also seen photographs of keanu reaves jumping into a guy's torso and making him explode.

[Adam]

It's just hearsay, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be true.
I find the bit about edged weapon resistance a bit hard to believe though.

The training method is supposed to be just getting whacked an unbelievable amount of times to mould the muscles and flesh into steel and leather.

I suppose you COULD withstand a knife stab if you had muscles like an elephant, but who's got that kind of brawn?

[Saz]

If you get stabbed... it'll hurt trust me! OK, it goes numb for a bit first, and you could still stand up and attack then, but it won't be long before the pain kicks in and you can't. I would think it would depend on where the weapon was struck on you to see how long you could withstand it, but it would affect you.

[Knight_Errant]

You internal freaks can channel some energy through the vacant space between your ears and have a good logic session before you post these jokes again!:woo: :woo: :eek: :woo: :woo: :Alien:

[JediMasterChris]

You internal freaks


Watch it. :yeleyes:

[Saz]

Originally posted by Knight_errant
You internal freaks can channel some energy through the vacant space between your ears and have a good logic session before you post these jokes again!:woo: :woo: :eek: :woo: :woo: :Alien:

Easy tiger... We're all entitled to an opinion here.

[Knight_Errant]

Yeah, and this is mine.

[Andy Murray]

Knight Errant, I've been enjoying your posts and enthusiasm, but your just stepping over that line a bit mate.

If you see something you disagree with, by all means say so, but it's better to ask questions about it and discuss, rather than sneer and scoff.

If you've trained every system out there for a few years apeice, then you're free to dismiss them, but if you had, I doubt you would.

Aside from too much Caffeine in your blood stream, what itches you?

Was Shotokan sooooo bad?

[Knight_Errant]

I never took shotokan. My brother did and I don't like the way they taught him. OK. I back off.

[wayofthedragon]

I don't know if anyone has said this, but various conditioning exercises for one, and another thing I do is hit my arms against a wooden pole at my house(looks a lot like a light post)
I start off at a light paste, and I keep bringing up the intensity untill I can't take it anymore. I also do the same with my legs. I also do the same with the edges of my hand, with my palm, and also strike it with my finger tips. I try puching it sometimes for my fist, but hell, it hurts too much, so I don't dwell much on that at all. However, I'm sure there's a much better way than what I do.

[Adam]

I don't dismiss this kind of internal conditioning, I just never saw it in action. (apart from the iron-mind as it is applied by many good martial artists.) It could very well be some very effective way of conditioning and I don't know anything about it, so who am I to call it utter bollocks?
You could check out bullshido.com. Not a very nice forum site in my opinion, (troll heaven) but that's where I got the information about some super-monk who had that kind of conditioning.
I could post the link to the thread if someone's interested.

[wayofthedragon]

interested always

[Adam]

http://www.mcdojo.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3881&FORUM_ID=2&CAT_ID=8&Topic_Title=Ask+a+monk%21&Forum_Title=General+Discussion

Here ya go. Enjoy the teachings of Shi Yanfei. It might be authentic, or i might be just a gullible fool. Interesting it is, nevertheless.

There are actually some decent discussions on bullshido.com, you just have to sort through endless piles of crap and trolls to get to it.

[Knight_Errant]

I'm not saying anything (thanks Adam for saving me a lot of 'karma')

[JediMasterChris]

If someone hits HARD you in the throat/groin etc, it will hurt and you'll go down. No amount of training can prepare you for a serious thumping in critical places like that.

Or can it?

[JediMasterChris]

And incase anyone was wondering....Yes, I ordered the Iron Crotch video.






Just curious.

[Adam]

God I'm jealous. :D

I dunno, I'm inclined to believe the whole monk business, mainly on the basis that I haven't seen anything to prove it wrong.

It could be out there, but I expect only the monk knows for certain.

[Cain]

Ok chris now that is going overboard :D

|Cain|

[Adam]

It's certainly a very sophisticated form of penis envy. :D

I read on some nonsense MA site about three chi masters who dragged a truck a distance with their... private parts. That would make that guy on your video look like a wuss. :D

What's on the tape anyway?

[Knight_Errant]

Can I laugh? Oh well, I'm going tol...

[Saz]

Originally posted by Adam
I read on some nonsense MA site about three chi masters who dragged a truck a distance with their... private parts.


Wouldn't it have been easier to call the AA?

[Sonshu]

Could have a glass jaw.

Pulling a truck with you old boy ain't gonna help when you are getting smacked in the eye!

SONSHU

[sindo]

Hi Guys,
I can understand your comments on http://www.sindo.org (I used to think the same way) - however, notice that you don't have to be a monk to protect your body..... we still have hair (at least most of us !) , and live a normal lifestyle , train seriously which includes energy generation.

If you don't believe it that is no problem.

But remember - we don't claim to be invunerable and we don't have iron balls ! ;)

[Andy Murray]

Hi sindo,

I admire the thickness of your skin.

You'll go far ;)

[sindo]

Hi Andy,

Thanks - fortunately its not too thick and not yet winkle-ly. So costmetically it'll last a little longer. :love:

[bishu-ronin]

dont meen to butt in here, but i have seen shaolin monks in action i trained at a temple and have seen the crazy stuff they do.
they do drag stuff with their willy it is true so dont be skeptical and the do take edged weapons on their abs but have you seen their swords they are like tin. (thats why i prefer the japanese smithing) but i think conditioning is good for the body to get used to a few hits otherwise mental stuff you wont be used to the pain... i stand to be corrected.

[Adam]

Oookay, let me be very careful here: why EXACTLY did they train to be able to drag logs with their tonker? Is there an iron-penis skill?

[Knight_Errant]

Or a 'budhist dick' or a 'red sand scrotum' or a 'dragon member'?

[Knight_Errant]

Cower mortals, for we have trained in the mystic and powerful budhist dick! Watch us knock buildings over with our equipment!

[Adam]

Your buddhist dick is no match for my mighty dick boxing techniques.

Ok, this thread is getting out of hand.

[Andy Pandy]

HAHAHAHAHA!

[Jack]

Originally posted by wayofthedragon
I start off at a light paste, and I keep bringing up the intensity untill I can't take it anymore.

Why do I find that so utterly, utterly funny? :D

[SoKKlab]

The form of Chi Gung that was being refered to earlier (Something like Post 3008 in this strand) is called 'Iron Bell Cover'.

The one on Steel Gonadding is 'Iron Bell-End Cover'...

But seriously folks. Chinese Smithing is brilliant, if like any other place, it's the real deal.

Most of the 'Shaolin Weapons' are made at the local factory, from a standard cast plate. You really don't want to use them, as they have a tendency to be brittle, blunt easily and split into razor sharp shards...But gte a real sword from a real smith and it'll be perfect.

[mikelw]

Originally posted by Adam
I may have messed up the names, but it's something I heard the Shaolin monks excell at. Supposedly, it's a superior form of body conditioning that will make you able to withstand insane amounts of punishment and also edged weapons (!?!)

I remain sceptical myself, as I have never seen it done, but it is said to be tested and proven.

I've seen it done....the guys are freaks-in a good, oh-my-god-i-wish-i -could-do-that kind of way

[pgm316]

Originally posted by bishu-ronin
dont meen to butt in here, but i have seen shaolin monks in action i trained at a temple and have seen the crazy stuff they do.
they do drag stuff with their willy it is true so dont be skeptical and the do take edged weapons on their abs but have you seen their swords they are like tin. (thats why i prefer the japanese smithing) but i think conditioning is good for the body to get used to a few hits otherwise mental stuff you wont be used to the pain... i stand to be corrected.

True I think, the answer is a bit vague. It could be taken to mean pounding the hell out of your body or take the odd hit during sparring!

My theory is still I take enough hits during general training and sparring to get used to what pain I need! :eek: Sadly ;)

I will not do pure conditioning exercises!!!