What is "Busen" Judo?

[jms137]

Hi,

I just discovered my Judo club is in the British Busen Judo Association and not the BJA.

Does anyone know why the BBJA was set up and what it stands for? I always thought ALL Judo clubs were in the BJA.
I've been told the Judo at BJA clubs may be slightly different. However, they did not sound 'bitter' towards the BJA.

I'm very happy with my club, tho...

John

[Aegis]

The BJA is recognised as the national governing body for Judo, and as such is probably the one with the most prestige abroad. However, no-one can force people to all think and do the same thing in martial arts, so different associations arise with different emphasis on various areas of the art. The BJA is still very focused on the sport side of Judo, to the extent that they are now reintroducing the self defence aspects as almost a new concept.

I have no idea who the BBJA are though, sorry!

[Scaramouch]

I have never heard of BBJA either, but a quick google search reveals all -

http://www.busenjudo.com/busen.html

It appears Busen Judo is an offshoot from the BJC. The BBJA was set up in 1991 by Bill Wood 8th dan, student of the famous judoka Kenshiro Abbe.

[Captain_Coward]

the trusty google, solver of so many of ones daily problems.

K

[jms137]

mmmmm

yeah i saw that busen site, too, but couldn't find any explanation why Mr Wood set up his own association. Normally people set up their own associations for a specific reason. Well if anyone would like to comment, this thread is the place.

In the meantime I really like my Judo club. It is not tooo sport oriented. The instructor is a professional bodyguard and often shows the self defence aspect of the moves.

Captain Coward, after a few lessons I now understand your phrase 'Ne-Waza worm', as there is a guy at my club who tries to take all fights to the ground because he is better skilled there (and possibly prefers tapping out than being slammed into the ground at 50mph).

john

[Captain_Coward]

haha,
That is pretty much where it came from though it was more about the days when me and Freeform used to fight regularily, we were reasonably matched standing, but he would always get me on the ground and so i would just try my best to worm myself away.
thanks for noticing that though

K

[jms137]

I've since discovered that the syllabus is different in Busen Judo and some of the techniques are slightly different. Don't ask me to name any, tho.

Also the competition rules in BBJA as opposed to BJA are different. You are penalised for not taking a grip and also for gripping for too long. It is designed to try and stop the 'tugging matches' you see at the Olympics. Also If you try a throw, fail and fall over then in BBJA you just restart but in BJA you are negatively scored.

j

[Captain_Coward]

not sure about that m8, you get penalised for not taking a grip in BJA and as for trying a throw and failing you are never penalised as long as it is a commited attack.

K

[GojuKJoe]

My club is BBJA too. I don't know what the difference is though.

[The Busen Judo]

Hi
Here is a reply about the confusion of what is Busen Judo and the BBJA.

I am a student of Sensei Bill Wood 8th Dan who is the founder of the The Busen Academy Of Martial Arts Sports and Movement, I run the Busen Judo Club in Rainham,Essex and also the webmaster for the Busen Website.
So here we go,

The BBJA and the The Busen are not the same thing, Even though they are using the "Busen" name without permission as it was handed to Sensei Wood from Kenshiro Abbe Sensei.

Also as for my Sensei leaving the BJC (which he set up with others in the 1950's) He didnt like the way the BJC was heading and the politics that was going on. So after a lot of persuasion by other members of the BJC who had the same veiw he set up The Busen Academy Of Martial Arts Sports and Movement.As for the Syllabus it is based on the traditional Judo taught by Abbe Sensei.
If you want to find out more about the BBJA (http://www.bbja.co.uk) try their website
I hope i have cleared up any misunderstandings.

Yours in Judo
Darren
2nd Dan

[dougy]

the bbja used to be members with bill woods organisation until bill wood passed away, the sesnei for bbja is steve makin who was a dan grade under bill wood.

[Herbo]

1. Also the competition rules in BBJA as opposed to BJA are different. You are penalised for not taking a grip and also for gripping for too long. It is designed to try and stop the 'tugging matches' you see at the Olympics.

2. Also If you try a throw, fail and fall over then in BBJA you just restart but in BJA you are negatively scored.

j

1. I'd say the tugging matches are more a result of two high level athletes who are both extremely skilled at grip fighting but ok.

2. That is incorrect with respect to the BJA rules. You can fail throws and fall to the ground without receiving a shido as long as they are actual attacks, and not just false attacking, e.g. repeated drop seoi nage's with no attempt to throw, to waste time.

[Rhea]

Woah, a 6 year old thread makes a reappearance...