Becoming a good fighter...help!

[Darkiden]

I want to become a really good fighter, good enough that if I were to fight someone on the street I could have enough confidence in my fighting abilities that I know I would win. The problem is that I have never been in a street fight before…I have never been in any kind of fight before. To someone who does not care for fighting this might be a good thing, but I love fighting and I want to be a really good fighter. My question is, “what is the best way for me to become a good fighter?” I can kick head height and I am a pretty good kicker. I look and I am built physically like "Vin diesel", you know the guy from "Triple X". I am strong and fast and my height is 5'8". So what do you guys recommend? Go start a fight with a total stranger (I think that would be wrong to do)? Or go to a martial arts school? Or maybe a boxing gym? The only good martial arts schools out here in Hawaii are Wing Chun schools, there is JKD schools but I don't know how to tell if they are good or not. We also have TKD schools and Kung Fu schools in Hawaii. I want to be a good fighter and have the confidence of a really good fighter...confidence in my abilities as a fighter. So can you guys help me out?...and do you guys think it’s possible for me to become a good fighter on my own? Please, everyone’s advice on how I can become a good fighter would really be appreciated.

[Slownsteady]

Dardiken,

Why do you love fighting????????



M

[pgm316]

Looking like Vin Diesel is a good start! :D

Sounds like you want some hands on experience, the boxing club would probably give you that more than the others.....

Although JKD is probably the best all round style you mention, but its impossible to recommend any just by name. Do you know any martial artists that have been to the clubs?

[LilBunnyRabbit]

You've never been in a fight, but you love fighting?

Someone's gonna get a wake-up call.

[Darkiden]

To Slownsteady:
I love fighting because when I sparred in martial arts or boxing for fun, or even watching fighting, I get a very happy feeling inside me. I have felt this way all my life, but my mom was against fighting so I never really got a good chance to learn how to fight:(

To pgm316:
No, I don't know any martial artists who have been to the clubs, but here is a link to one JKD school in Hawaii. It is http://www.jkdunlimited.com


P.S. How do I choose a good boxing gym to train at? And how many days a week would I have to train for?

[Darkiden]

Originally posted by ckdstudent
You've never been in a fight, but you love fighting?

Someone's gonna get a wake-up call.

I knew someone would say this. I have not been in a real street fight before but I have been punched full force before in the stomach, and few other places, and I have also been hit in the face too...no gloves of course. I still liked it...that might sound weird, but then again I am a little weird.

[Andy Murray]

Andy gets out his Marshmallows, puts on his slippers and leans back into the chair with a knowing smile on his face! :D

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Being punched a few times isn't a fight. Its just a little pain, which'll get adrenaline and endorphins pouring through your body. In a fight you'll usually end up pretty much bruised and battered regardless of how good you are, very few people are good enough to dodge or block every single blow against them. Its not a pleasant feeling. An actual fight is not a sparring match. The other person is not trying to teach you, or to avoid killing you, they are trying to hurt you and put you out.

And pain is not the start of strength by a long way. Pain is the start of more pain. Discomfort can be the start of strength, but that's a different matter.

[pgm316]

Don't be so negative CKD, fightings great fun, get hit a few times, you'll enjoy it! :D

Seriously I doubt you'd have the same fun fighting as a bit of light sparring!

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Don't be so negative CKD, fightings great fun, get hit a few times, you'll enjoy it!

Haven't enjoyed it up till now, doubt I will in future. Then again I don't often get hit, maybe that's the problem.

[Bon]

Well, that did look like a good school until I saw the prices and then phone consultations!

Looks like it would be good quality instruction, just very expensive...

[Darkiden]

Originally posted by ckdstudent
Being punched a few times isn't a fight. Its just a little pain, which'll get adrenaline and endorphins pouring through your body. In a fight you'll usually end up pretty much bruised and battered regardless of how good you are, very few people are good enough to dodge or block every single blow against them. Its not a pleasant feeling. An actual fight is not a sparring match. The other person is not trying to teach you, or to avoid killing you, they are trying to hurt you and put you out.

And pain is not the start of strength by a long way. Pain is the start of more pain. Discomfort can be the start of strength, but that's a different matter.

Yes, you are right...when I say I like to fight I mean I like the challenge aspect of it...which pertains more to sparring I guess. I will never forget though, I don't consider this a fight because I was only 9 years old, but I fought someone for about 5 minutes straight and I had fun doing it. I did not like getting hit but I enjoyed the challenge of my opponent...if you can't understand that then you probably don't truly like fighting...or maybe I'm just ignorant of what I don't know. My brother has been in street fights all his life and is a super brawl fighter, and when I met him for the first time 3 years ago he agreed with me...he thinks fighting is like playing basketball, it's just fun for him, even if you get badly beaten up...it's the challenge. Well, that's the best that I can explain it, sorry if that's not good enough for you. Also, please don't talk to me about pain, because there are different types of pain besides “fighting” pain...and I truly understand pain...I have been through a lot in my life and "pain" is what has made my mind strong, and what has made me a strong person in many respects. Pain is truly the beginning of strength...for this I am certain. According to my brother it also applies to fighting as well, and I don't know anyone who has been in more street fights then my brother.

[Andy Murray]

:rolleyes:

[Darkiden]

Would it be possible to forget this petty bickering? I just really want everyone to answer my original question...please, thanks.

[Raiden]

Darkiden seeing how you have never been in a true fight, I don’t' think your philosophy is going to stick. It sounds like your brother has you pumped up. Once you are in a real situation, everything changes, because it's nothing like you imagine and it never goes as you plan.
I remember training in high school, weight lifting, etc. After awhile, I felt real tough, honestly, I felt invincible. I ended up provoking a situation with a guy I disliked and who disliked me. One day at school in the bathroom, we decided to throw down. I tell you, the moment it was time to throw down, and the desire to hurt someone changed. The adrenaline rush was greater than what I was used to. I had the whole thing planned out but when it was time to rumble, the plan was out the window, we just brawled. I couldn't think straight, I just started swinging. I ended up screwing up and getting put in a headlock. Being so terrified, I was able to tear from his lock and start pounding on him. Yea, I won the fight but I suddenly realized I didn't like fighting. It was the "fun" activity I had been imagining for the past year. Not to mention, if this guy had known how to fight, I would have been destroyed. Everything I had ever learned about fighting, was forgotten and tossed out the window during the fight. A real street fight is about instincts. You don't have time to think. My point is, your first fight is usually ugly in regards to how you perform. The "shock" of what is happening is new and unchartered territory. This can be bad against an experienced fighter. I was lucky.

No offense to your brother, but I think he is crazy. Fighting is not safe. There is more to worry about than having your teeth knocked out (which to me does not sound like fun). Besides someone getting upset and pulling a knife or gun, there or other things. Let me give you an example. I used to attend a club where this one young guy named Mike attended. He was always being picked on by the regulars. He picked one of the guys who didn't like him one night, a guy that was always pushing him around, ran up behind him and kicked him in the head. The guy never saw it coming because his back was turned. He had no reason to believe this guy was going to snap that night and come after him because he hadn't even spoken to him that night. The result was the kick knocked him out and he fell straight back and hit his head on the concrete. He died 3 months later. Mike didn’t mean to kill him. He simply wanted to do something to make everyone stop picking on him. It got him sent to prison for manslaughter. Sorry for the novel, my point is, **** happens. Things can go wrong. A fight can turn into a life or death situation, even a simple fist fight. People get angry and want revenge for getting their but kicked.

[Adam]

Go to the boxing club and see if you like getting pounded.
Be sure to fight guys that are both better and stronger than you so that you feel what the fighting pain is properly and if you really do enjoy it. Don't fight people smaller and weaker than yourself, it will teach you nothing. The important thing is the pain, as you say yourself.
Then, if you feel that you like the pain and can take it, you might consider beginning for real. Many people say that they like fighting and are tough, but when they show up in the gym, they are jelly.
Alternatively, you could ask your brother to rough you up, since he's a good fighter and family and probably wouldn't hurt you very badly, but for gods sake, don't go starting fights with people who doesn't want them! Jail time's not much fun I heard.
Raiden's got a point too about feeling invincible because you're strong.
Try out fighting before you say you like it, because not many people enjoy real fights even when they say they do.

[Darkiden]

You guys are all right, ok. Real street fighting is dangerous and I hope I never get into a fight as long as I live. If I do however, could you guys give me some advice on how I can become a good fighter?


P.S. Really though, thanks for talking some sense into me...I needed that.

[Thomas]

Stop in to some of the nearby martial arts schools (including the boxing school) and watch for a bit. See if you can sit in on or try a free/demo session some time. When you find a school that has instructors and students that are respectful and that you might like to be like, enroll.

In my own opinion and experience, I thought I wanted to be a great fighter (my brother and many of my friends were street fighers of varying abilities). When I began learning martial arts the irony was that the better I learned how to fight (the mechanics), the less inclined I was to fight. I didn't feel as much of a need to be the best fighter and I realized that in many cases, I could take a guy out, but then he would be hurt (he does have family and friends that love him too) and/or there was a chance I could end in prison (I cannot bear to lose my freedom).

In a good school, you'll get a chance to "fight" other people often. Granted, the fighting will be controlled in some ways, but through this you can learn to be a better fighter and try working with people of different sizes, shapes, strengths and styles. You'll get the adrenalin rush but not have as much worries of hurting someone or yourself.

By learning martial arts, I drifted away from a possibly dangerous path and ended up doing fairly well for myself. I train regularly and through training I regulate my body and mind. just don't get too hung up on the "style" or "practicality" of any system just yet. Find a school which has people you would like to be like and who are interested in teaching you well. Later, after you absorb the curriculum to a decent level, you can decide what is lacking and cross-train those skills. Good luck.

[grandmaster mat]

if u really wana be the best fighter u need to do grappling, kicking and punching martial arts, all i kno is wing chun for punching and tae kwon do for kicking but do yourself a favour and dont fight, martial arts isnt all about fighting they are arts

[grandmaster mat]

but i really do enjoy a good sparring match with someone who is better than me because you cant get better unless u have a challenge.

[YODA]

Hehehe

LOL!

Ahem.....

Just pop along to the place already linked - Burton's JKD unlimited - if you enjoy being punched in the face you'll find a real home from home there I promise :D

[grandmaster mat]

lol

[Darkiden]

Originally posted by YODA
Hehehe

LOL!

Ahem.....

Just pop along to the place already linked - Burton's JKD unlimited - if you enjoy being punched in the face you'll find a real home from home there I promise :D

I've been to Burton's JKD unlimited school and there is nothing special about it. It's very over priced and the things they do there would not help me to really improve myself as a fighter. Unless you know something about his school that I don't.

[Andy Murray]

Darkiden,
you state your goal; "I love fighting and I want to be a really good fighter. "

Morally, I can't offer you any assistance, as I believe people who 'want' to fight are misguided lunatics.

Sorry but there it is.

If you want to learn to fight, then the best way to learn, is to get beaten up.
Come back and tell us about it when you've genuinely been in fear for your life. You'll need glass ground into your face, while you've lain on the ground trying to protect yourself and 4 or 5 guys try and spill your brains by jumping on your head.

Lucky it's only a fight, cos otherwise you might be stabbed, shot, raped, all three or worse.

Don't take this as an attack, just injecting a little reality is all.

[Darkiden]

Originally posted by Andy Murray
Darkiden,
you state your goal; "I love fighting and I want to be a really good fighter. "

Morally, I can't offer you any assistance, as I believe people who 'want' to fight are misguided lunatics.

Sorry but there it is.

If you want to learn to fight, then the best way to learn, is to get beaten up.
Come back and tell us about it when you've genuinely been in fear for your life. You'll need glass ground into your face, while you've lain on the ground trying to protect yourself and 4 or 5 guys try and spill your brains by jumping on your head.

Lucky it's only a fight, cos otherwise you might be stabbed, shot, raped, all three or worse.

Don't take this as an attack, just injecting a little reality is all.

No offense, but your an idiot...were do you get this idea that I like that kind of fighting. I like the art of fighting between 2 people using only there fist and nothing else. That is why I avoid fights because people don't fight just with there two fist anymore. The other reason I have not been in a fight before is because I don't like hurting people. I would like to become a good fighter to help people. If some girl is being hurt by some guy I would like to have the ability to stop that, if I have to protect my family or if I have no other choice but to fight, I would like to be confident in my abilities as a fighter. If I had my way I would never fight another Human being for as long as I live, but I don't think that is possible in the world we live in. So stop getting angry with me and just answer my damn question!!!

[Andy Murray]

Originally posted by Darkiden


1/ No offense, but your an idiot...

2/ were do you get this idea that I like that kind of fighting.

3/ So stop getting angry with me and just answer my damn question!!!

1/ I'm an idiot? What makes you qualified to judge me?

2/ From your original post. Need I quote you???

3/ I'm not angry, which question is that?

[Darkiden]

Originally posted by Andy Murray


1/ I'm an idiot? What makes you qualified to judge me?
Your comments were idiotic


2/ From your original post. Need I quote you???
Yes, please quote me.


3/ I'm not angry, which question is that?
Then stop assuming I like hurting people, because I'm the nicest person you will ever meet. All you do is completely analyze what I say and turn it into something it is not. I want to be a good fighter, but not to hurt people....only to protect myself and others.

[Andy Murray]

Then I've obviously got you all wrong, for which I humbly apologise.



Your comments were idiotic

Sorry you feel that way!

Yes, please quote me.

No need, your posts are crystal clear!

Then stop assuming I like hurting people, because I'm the nicest person you will ever meet. All you do is completely analyze what I say and turn it into something it is not. I want to be a good fighter, but not to hurt people....only to protect myself and others.

Sorry if you feel this was my intention, it was not!

:rolleyes:

[Darkiden]

Originally posted by Andy Murray
No need, your posts are crystal clear!

Then quote me, because I don't know what posts you were reading. Look man, I'm sorry if you misunderstood me, but I would really like it if you could give me some advice about how I can become a good fighter, because I'm pretty sure I could learn something from what you have to say.

[Andy Murray]

Maybe, and maybe there are people here you'll get easier information from.

MA is a complicated subject, and fighting is only a small part of it.

Look round the forum, because 90% of what you need to know has already been said here.

Some new members lurk for months without posting, where you dived straight in. That takes guts in itself, but for heavens sake watch out for the rocks at the bottom of the pool!

[Slownsteady]

Originally posted by Darkiden


No offense, but your an idiot...were do you get this idea that I like that kind of fighting. I like the art of fighting between 2 people using only there fist and nothing else. That is why I avoid fights because people don't fight just with there two fist anymore. The other reason I have not been in a fight before is because I don't like hurting people. I would like to become a good fighter to help people. If some girl is being hurt by some guy I would like to have the ability to stop that, if I have to protect my family or if I have no other choice but to fight, I would like to be confident in my abilities as a fighter. If I had my way I would never fight another Human being for as long as I live, but I don't think that is possible in the world we live in. So stop getting angry with me and just answer my damn question!!!


Dardiken,
To receive replies to your post that you would be happy with, you maybe?? should have posted the above quote in reply to the very first reply to your Question- yes it was mine- Why do you like to fight.

Street fighting is not just fists- far from it- it is rarely fists. Usually it is dirty fighting. Maybe just a communication breakdown, maybe not.

Either way, think hard about what u r trying to achieve- You dont have to justify anything to us- just to yourself. Then explore from there.

Note- Most Martial Artists learn to fight so they dont have to fight.

I love dojo sparring higher ability people- it pushes me. Fighting is not for me though- It hurts:(

Martial Arts also teaches tolerance and how to avoid getting into a situation and or diffusing it without fighting. These are also very important aspects.

There are a few articles in the magazine section. I encourage you to read if you haven't already. Some good Stuff.

cheers from Me

M

[Adam]

Andy's still right. You need to get smacked up before you can call yourself a fighter, otherwise you won't know anything about fighting. At all. You sound like you suffer from the "I'm big, so I'm a top fighter" syndrome. I had it too when I was younger.
I still don't believe how many people lift a few weights and believe they're Muhammed Bruce Lee Van Damme, then get destroyed soon's they get in a real fight with some vicious sod.

[Andy Murray]

Whole thread seems like 'Troll Play' to me.

[Cudgel]

well you like fighitng?

Wow I like to spar.

I have never liked getting into a fight even if I was justified or didnt get hurt severly.
It makes me feel like a lesser person because I allowed some one to gain control of my actions.
Fighting should be a last resort.

And coming down from Adrenaline never feels good.

[anubis]

ok my friend, first things first. Now I am not out to rag on you or hurt your feelings, but.... We need to get you a girlfriend first before anything. The fact that you get off on getting hit is not normal and is a cry that you need to get laid. Second, the fact that you are looking to the martial arts just for the fighting aspect is wrong and martial arts is thus not for you. realize that whatever you are taught from the martial arts is to save your life of protect loved ones, not to be able to walk down the street and randomly kick people's asses. No offense but people with your mentality get hurt alot. Also you have to ask yourself what martial art I wanna do, if ever your attitude changes. Do I want an art that will allow me to fully defend myself if need be or do i want an art that I can kill someone senseless like a mortal kombat game. That's all for now kid, but we should definitely talk some more. I think I can help you.

[Cain]

luv to street fighter huh? ;):D:p:eek:

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

|Cain|

[LilBunnyRabbit]

We need to get you a girlfriend first before anything. The fact that you get off on getting hit is not normal and is a cry that you need to get laid.

Its called masochism, and everyone actually has it to some degree, most to a very minor degree. It is not a cry that anyone needs to get laid. Getting laid is not a magical cure-all.


Second, the fact that you are looking to the martial arts just for the fighting aspect is wrong and martial arts is thus not for you. realize that whatever you are taught from the martial arts is to save your life of protect loved ones

Depends on the martial art to start with, and there's a lot more to most martial arts than just saving your life and protecting loved ones, some of them don't even see that as a primary goal.

[YODA]

Getting laid is not a magical cure-all.

Yes it is!!!!

[anubis]

by the way , I wasn't writing that post towards you. also i never said getting laid was a magical cure all, learn to read my friend. Martial arts is a means of self defense and self awareness, don't second guess me.

[Cain]

Yes it is!!!!

Trust the words of the most experienced :D:p

Hehe :D j/k

|Cain|

[LilBunnyRabbit]

by the way , I wasn't writing that post towards you. also i never said getting laid was a magical cure all, learn to read my friend. Martial arts is a means of self defense and self awareness, don't second guess me.

Whether you were writing it towards me or not is irrelevant, I'm still allowed to respond in defense of masochists, who think that getting off on pain is a perfectly normal thing to do. I'd love to hear you explain to them that all they need to do to be 'cured' is get laid.

Martial arts is however much more than a means of self defense and self awareness, or much less, all depending on the martial art that you do.

[Darkiden]

You guys think I like getting hit, you guys think I like to start fights, you guys think the worst of me. I’m sorry to all of you if you think that is the person I am. I hate violence, I hate hurting people, and I wish that people could live in peace and not fight...and that is the truth. Becoming a great fighter would not change any of this for me; I would still try to avoid fights and would only fight to protect someone. I guess I just don't know how to explain myself well about what I mean when I say "I like fighting"...so just forget I said it.


but we should definitely talk some more. I think I can help you.
Then let's talk more...if you can help me out then please do.

[anubis]

listen you retard, why are you still hung up on the whole getting laid thing. I never said that was a cure, get that through your skull.

[YODA]

Originally posted by anubis
listen you retard, why are you still hung up on the whole getting laid thing. I never said that was a cure, get that through your skull.


Maybe he isn't getting any :D

[anubis]

I definitely think your right Yoda.

[JediMasterChris]

Off of the laid topic...........


No offense, but your an idiot...

Judging by that you are not mature enough to learn the arts. Like has been said before...check into some clubs and watch and find out what art is best for you. And if your brother is really that good then why not just be taught by him?:confused:

[Darkiden]

Originally posted by JediMasterChris
And if your brother is really that good then why not just be taught by him?:confused:

because he left and won't be back for like a year or so.

[JediMasterChris]

Oh I see. So what local schools have you looked into? Read about all of the local arts and see what would fit your personality. If you like kicking TKD would be good, but I personally like Jeet kune do. Being as strong as Von Deisel aren't you confident enough?

[Darkiden]

Originally posted by JediMasterChris
Oh I see. So what local schools have you looked into? Read about all of the local arts and see what would fit your personality. If you like kicking TKD would be good, but I personally like Jeet kune do. Being as strong as Von Deisel aren't you confident enough?

Being strong is not enough to win a fight. I wish I could train in Jeet Kune Do, but there are only 2 Jeet Kune Do schools I know of in Hawaii. This one: www.jkdunlimited.com and the other I just called and left a message for them to call me back.

[Kwan Jang]

-If you truly want to become a good or great fighter, realize a few things. First, most so called "street fighters" are merely adrenaline junkies who are usually only experts at sucker punching people. They are not looking for fights, they are looking for victims. Secondly, w/o preaching too much there is NEVER a winner to a street fight. Only a person who loses the least. Usually both people take at least some physical damage and even if you do outclass your opponent(s) enough to get away w/o damage, there is the legal question(both criminal and civil-let alone moral and ethical considerations). Even, if you don't have any of these or other negative consequences, how long is the average street fight? 5-15 seconds? If you truly love to fight, go into a competitve arena. There you will find others to test your skill/ability with, who you can test yourself in a controlled, safe enviroment. You will also get a much more challenging fight that will last much longer(provided they match you up well). If you fancy yourself as the hero and want either combat or to save the world, join the military and try out for special forces. - I almost hate to admit this, but I am by nature a scrapper who loves to fight. This is why I fought professionallyand when I was young and stupid, I used to hang out w/ the wrestling team only because I knew they would find me a fight. If it was multiple opponents or one had a knife, I considered it better "training". I outgrew this IDIOTIC, macho behavior after only a few months and someone shooting at me(actually up in the air to scare me). Of this I am not proud, and my experience is that there is no one more devout than a reformed sinner. I now lecture in elementary and middle school's guidance classes on non-violent conflict resolution. Finally, to become a good fighter, watch the classes and workouts. The style is meaningless. What the instructor is teaching and how well you can train and learn is what counts. You can have a "combat art" school that doesn't teach practical application. And you can have a teacher of a system that is normally thought of as "less effective" that could be very realistic and effective. It depends what they and you can bring out in you.

[Darkiden]

Thanks Kwan Jang, what you wrote truly makes sense and it really made me think. I guess my main reason for becoming a good fighter is to be able to win in a fight if I ever get into one. I will do my best to avoid fights, but if someone hurts my girlfriend, or tries to hurt someone I love and I am forced into a situation that requires me to fight to protect them, then I want to be able to fight, and fight really well. This is why I want to become a good fighter.

[Sambo Master]

you think you will like it but i bet as soon as you get in the octagon or ring you will get a shock
try sparing with somebody and then decide. if not just watch the masters. i have just started fighting and i have had my share of ups and downs but i will fight through it. it is not like goin to a boxing club ( not that easy)

[Darkiden]

Originally posted by Sambo Master
try sparing with somebody and then decide.
I have...against a pro

[shadow joe]

OH! you are in hawii!!! man, don't act like there isn't any arts down there cause those islanders love to train!!!


speaking of which there are some excellent FMA (stick fighting) schools down there and last time I was there (my sister lives there) muay thai was taking off in a big way...


check into the Stick fighting and you'll probably find a good JKD school in their empty hand training regime...



good luck, being on a group of islands does limit your options a bit, but nonetheless I KNOW there is some quality instruction to be found down there... it's just shy of perfect weather almost all the time... who wouldn't want to train down there!?

[LilBunnyRabbit]

it is not like goin to a boxing club ( not that easy)

Never been to a good boxing club, have you?

[Energy.]

Darkiden, email me if you wanna talk further on your subject, but i think that me and you are very similar, we like to fight, most of these people in the forum dont seem to understand that, i even heard some of them say, "martial arts insnt about fighting, it is about art." but let me tell them something as well, part of it is art, yes i agree, but its original purpose is self defense and FIGHTING.
OK, now, on your subject Darkiden, there are basic things that you need to be a good fighter, i will list them in what i think is important from least to greatest, i mean greatest to least.
SPEED-your opponent cant hit what it cant see, and you will be able to dodge attacks easily, then COORDINATION, which comes by developing speed, and MOBILITY/FLEXIBILITY-these two things are so crucial when learning new techniques and executing the ones you already know effectively. Let me give you an example, if two people, a person who has spent 10 years training his speed, and the other, who has spent 10 years lifting weights, get into a sword fight, who would win? duh, the fast guy, the MAIN reason strong people punch harder than normal people is because of the simple fact that their arms weigh more. it is scientifically proven that VELOCITY=FORCE, weight plays minor roles between advanced fighters, it eventually comes down to speed, which makes the perfect offense, and defense. P.S. dont be fooled by my email address, im a fan sure, but, im no idiot.

[47Ronin]

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"Yes it is!!!!"

I concur :D

[Terry Matthes]

I really really really really wanna say something :D . . . . but I won't, well . . other than what I just said.

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Mods, any chance I can get permission to test my home-made napalm on the two fight club wannabes?

[Aravi]

The challenge of combat does have it's own fun - me, I've always gotten that from Quake, not fighting - but anyhow :P.

I think, Darkriden, that you might've phrased alot of what you said better - as people tended to interpret you differently.

As far as martial arts being not about fighting but about art - isn't it an art where the fight is your canvas?

[Cyph]

it sounds to me that you like a highly competitive sport such as boxing, kickboxing, muay thai, vale tudo (no holds barred)

real fighting is just plain nasty and scary, there is no one there to stop it if you tap out... the above sports are good for the street too, 'cause you're used to pressure and contact.

[Energy.]

yup

[gojuman]

Sounds like the old joke.

Young man- "Excuse me, Do you know the way to Carnege Hall?"
Old Man- "Practice, man. Practice!"

[Energy.]

heheh, yup

[Energy.]

i uh, i dont uderstand why you guys dont like fighting, but still got involved in an art about fighting... im not saying that i just go and beat people up, i dont just walk into a mall and start beating the sh!t out of people, but i like the challenge of testing your limits in a one on one dual with a worthy challenger, damn, that sounded like something directly out of some movie ive seen.

[Energy.]

haha!!! i am the ultimate poster, I POSTED TWICE, WAIT, THREE TIMES IN A ROW!!! but any way, what aspect of fighting do each of you think is most vital to winning a real fight, i think it is Speed/Flexibility, which are both equaly important to me... oh yea, are there any chicorita's fighter martial arts persons here? in other words, chicorita mean chick, or girl, if your a moron.

[Mr CUTTHROAT]

Boxing and submission grappling.

[Saz]

Originally posted by Energy.
I POSTED TWICE, WAIT, THREE TIMES IN A ROW!!!

Yes, I noticed. Please don't do that again, use the edit button if you wish to make changes to your posts. Unnecessary posts usually get deleted.

oh yea, are there any chicorita's fighter martial arts persons here? in other words, chicorita mean chick, or girl, if your a moron. [/B]

Yes, there are. Any particular reason why you want to know this?

[Energy.]

sorry if i offended you, kgirl :) , i did not know that i could edit my messages... uhh, lets, uhh, uhh, ehem, be serious i guess... i stated my opinion about the original question, so, see ya's

[Kof_Andy]

If you truly like fighting, then I would recommend go fight professionally. You will get money, challenge, fame and all that, but thats if your good enough. Just start somewhere, any art will do. Experience a real match, before you talk about fighting. And I'm not being disrepectful, seriously go to a thai gym, or boxing gym and see if they'll let you have a real match.

[Nakthai]

Originally posted by Darkiden
I want to become a really good fighter, good enough that if I were to fight someone on the street I could have enough confidence in my fighting abilities that I know I would win. The problem is that I have never been in a street fight before�E have never been in any kind of fight before. To someone who does not care for fighting this might be a good thing, but I love fighting and I want to be a really good fighter. My question is, “what is the best way for me to become a good fighter?�EI can kick head height and I am a pretty good kicker. I look and I am built physically like "Vin diesel", you know the guy from "Triple X". I am strong and fast and my height is 5'8". So what do you guys recommend? Go start a fight with a total stranger (I think that would be wrong to do)? Or go to a martial arts school? Or maybe a boxing gym? The only good martial arts schools out here in Hawaii are Wing Chun schools, there is JKD schools but I don't know how to tell if they are good or not. We also have TKD schools and Kung Fu schools in Hawaii. I want to be a good fighter and have the confidence of a really good fighter...confidence in my abilities as a fighter. So can you guys help me out?...and do you guys think it’s possible for me to become a good fighter on my own? Please, everyone’s advice on how I can become a good fighter would really be appreciated.
Fighting isn't limited to a lockdown.
Do them all.More knowledge means a higher advantage. But remember to not mix styles too much.

And maybe you need to ask yourself why you like fighting, other than those endorphins.

[basf12]

cool why dont u just enter any kind of tournament whether it is boxing or muay thai championship .

u can enter UFC or K1 championship,sanshou tournaments or just practice with some friends from other martial art then you can test your skills

[shootodog]

sparring comes close to competative fighting but it's still worlds apart. different levels.

competative fighting comes close to a real fight but it's still worlds apart. different levels.

you cannot love a fight (in the true sense) because a fight has absolutely no rules and no limits. in a fight, someone could bite an ear, a finger, any bodypart. gouge out your eyes, thumbing the eyeballs. a ballpen up the nose. ripping off ears. stabbing an unarmed opponent. (sh!t! sounds like a drunken night in tondo!).

[TigerAnsTKDLove]

do you weight train? if you don't i would start that can definelty help you be on you way to becoming a good fighter. also i would mainly look at the wing chun and most definelty JKD! i highly recommend jkd... also maybe boxing or kickboxing would help. tkd has sparring and thats ya know fighting opponents. so that would be good. and yes i think its possible to become a great fighter on your own... but the question for you is... are you willing to put forth the effort? and if you are get off your butt and start training lets make u a fighter.

[enlwlffo]

im not raggin on you or nothing Darkiden, but how old are you?
you really don't wanna get into street fights
when i first came to the US i was the only korean in a school of bigots
i've been in more fights than i remmeber,
i know what you're talking about with all the "glory" in fights
two men
unarmed
going at it to see who is the better fighter
may the best man win
right...
I was in one of these supposedly unarmed fights
I beat the other guy, turned around, and one of his friends swung at me with a weapon
wanna know wut it was?
you know those hooks you can get when u take apart a can opener?
yep
he caught me just below the hairline and raked down toward my eye
by turning my head at the last moment i avoided the eyegouge and just ended up with a huge cut for a while
i suggest you join a martial arts club
i practice and compete in taekwondo
and that takes care of my "fighting need" plenty

[patfromlogan]

Hey, how come you say "The only good martial arts schools out here in Hawaii are Wing Chun schools, there is JKD schools but I don't know how to tell if they are good or not. We also have TKD schools and Kung Fu schools in Hawaii."

I'm from O'ahu and there are tons of good school all over. Period. Some are pretty expensive it's true. But in Kailua/Kaneohe, my families homes, there are Universal Kempo, Kempo Unlimmited, BJJ, Okinawan karate, TKD, and who knows what else?

I'm a member of Universal Kempo Karate myself and work out in Kailua and Kalihi when I'm back. They have branches all over the island. Very good bunch of people. If you are near UH try out the Kyokushinkai karate at Kanewai Rec center tu/thur nights. Kyokushinkai spars harder than Universal, though there are plenty of guys who like to 'get it on' at Universal, too. Universal has more self-defense drills and less forms. Both schools are real good. IMHO kung fu an TKD might not be what you are looking for, at least now.
You enjoy fighting (I'd call it sparring, but who care?), so you want a school that does hard sparring, be it boxing, MT, karate, BJJ, or whatever. Boxing will teach speed, punches, movement, but it won't teach chokes, takedowns, kicks etc. Kyokushinkai will teach strikes and takedowns but is weak on chokes and submissions and ground work. Kempo (Hawaiian in general, not Parker's) and Kajukenbo try to include all ranges(long strike, short strike, clinch, and grapple), and depending on the school it can be great or Mcdojo (fake). There are lots of Kajukenbo schools in Kalihi and out around Mililani. It just depends what turns you on, Kyokushin is pretty strict and all commands are in Japanese, but they drink beer and eat sashimi after class! Universal Kempo is more relaxed and real friendly, but if you wise off, they'll take you right down. They also spend a lot of time, like boxing does, hitting bags and pads.

Check out the local martial arts schools, ask around, and for sure you'll find people that like to both spar hard and have fun classes. Aloha pat.

[patfromlogan]

Well it looks like you are gone, but here's a few places that might fight.

Aiea Hongwanji Judo Club Aiea, HI (808) 455-4271

Aikido Of Honolulu 3224 Waialae Ave Honolulu, HI (808) 737-7133

Au's Shaolin Arts Society 1192 Smith St Honolulu, HI (808) 536-7112

Bishaw's Academy-Tae Kwon DO 418 Kuulei Rd Kailua, HI (808) 263-1911

Capoeira Batique Hawaii Inc 1007 Waimanu St Honolulu, HI (808) 732-0178

Cha3 Kenpo Karate Assn 98-1222 Mahipua St Aiea, HI (808) 488-3817

China Martial Arts & Wares 1165 Maunakea St Honolulu, HI (808) 537-1106

Chinese Physical Culture Assn 1614 Nuuanu Ave Honolulu, HI (808) 523-2845

College Of Positive Human Dev 1223 Koko Head Ave # 6 Honolulu, HI (808) 732-6136

Downtown Karate Dojo Inc 725 Kapiolani Blvd Honolulu, HI (808) 533-1111

Family Martial Arts Center 525 Kokea St # B2 Honolulu, HI (808) 847-0995

Gee Yung Intl Martial Arts 1024 Smith St Fl Grnd Honolulu, HI (808) 599-4690

Grappling Unlimited Hawaii 99-930 Iwaena St # 104b Aiea, HI (808) 487-6114

Hawaii Kendo Federation PO Box 65 Aiea, HI (808) 672-4899

Hawaii Martial Arts Supply Inc 1041 Maunakea St Honolulu, HI (808) 536-5402

Hawaii Sin Moo Hapkido Assn PO Box 11959 Honolulu, HI (808) 839-1738

Hawaii Tae Kwon DO Academy Inc 731 Kamehameha Hwy Pearl City, HI (808) 455-8531

Honolulu Ki Society 2003 Nuuanu Ave Honolulu, HI (808) 521-3513

I & I Sport Hawaii 602 Kailua Rd Kailua, HI (808) 261-7743

International Karate Fed 7231 Nuulolo St Honolulu, HI (808) 395-1774

Japan International Karate Center Pearl City, HI (808) 456-4089

Japan International Karate Center 1019 Waimanu St # 105 Honolulu, HI (808) 593-1153

Japan Karate Assn Hawaii Pearl City, HI (808) 487-7500

Japan Karate Assn Hawaii 4300 Waialae Ave # A901 Honolulu, HI (808) 737-3142

Jsect Hawaii 1065 Kapiolani Blvd # 314 Honolulu, HI (808) 597-8266

K C Co Ltd 98-023 Hekaha St # 11 Aiea, HI (808) 486-9002

K C Martial Arts Supplies 1 N Pauahi St Honolulu, HI (808) 528-4520

Kaimuki Judo Club 943 17th Ave # A Honolulu, HI (808) 737-5866

Karate Hawaii-American Karate 1056 12th Ave # 101 Honolulu, HI (808) 732-0670

Kong's Siu Lum Pai Kung Fu 1613 Houghtailing St # 3 Honolulu, HI (808) 841-5228

Kyokushin Karate-Hawaii 3137 Alika Ave Honolulu, HI (808) 595-6588

Leeward Kenpo Karate 1627 Hoohiamoe St Pearl City, HI (808) 455-4486

Lokahi Ki & Aikido Society 1429 Makiki St # 202 Honolulu, HI (808) 945-3997

Luk Tung Kuen World Wide 111 N Beretania St # P3 Honolulu, HI (808) 521-3826

Mililani Taekwondo Center 95-028 Waihau St # 203 Mililani, HI (808) 627-1202

Oahu Tae Kwon-DO Center 98-025 Hekaha St Aiea, HI (808) 486-2500

Okinawa Kenpo Karate 1531 Kamehameha Iv Rd Honolulu, HI (808) 455-4424

Pacific Taekwondo 1065 Kapiolani Blvd # 139a Honolulu, HI (808) 596-9577

Pearl City Hongwanji Judo Club 858 Second St Pearl City, HI (808) 455-7000

Pedoy School Of Escrima Waimanalo, HI (808) 259-6564

Power Edge 3580 Waialae Ave Honolulu, HI (808) 737-3343

Relson Gracie Jiu-Jitsu Acad 844 Queen St Honolulu, HI (808) 589-2524

Shotokan Karate Center 2331 Aalii Pl Pearl City, HI (808) 455-8520

Smith Tae Kwon-DO Academy 45-1052 Kamehameha Hwy Kaneohe, HI (808) 247-3114

Tai Chi 2331 Aalii Pl Pearl City, HI (808) 455-8520

Tavares Chinese Kempo 835 Puunani Pl # C Honolulu, HI (808) 595-6569

Team Tiger 803 Kamehameha Hwy Pearl City, HI (808) 454-2888

Templo Kick Boxing Academy 2101 N School St # F Honolulu, HI (808) 841-9599

U S Taekwondo Center Inc 820 W Hind Dr # 123 Honolulu, HI (808) 377-5040

Universal Kempo Karate Schools Kaneohe, HI (808) 247-0814

Universal Kempo Karate Schools Pearl Harbor, HI (808) 454-0033

Universal Kempo Karate Schools 2376 Apoepoe St Pearl City, HI (808) 455-6528

Universal Kempo Karate Schools 98-894 Kuhao Pl Aiea, HI (808) 487-2686

Yba Judo Club 1710 Pali Hwy Honolulu, HI (808) 537-6954

[hEmPY]

I want to become a really good fighter, good enough that if I were to fight someone on the street I could have enough confidence in my fighting abilities that I know I would win. The problem is that I have never been in a street fight before…I have never been in any kind of fight before. To someone who does not care for fighting this might be a good thing, but I love fighting and I want to be a really good fighter. My question is, “what is the best way for me to become a good fighter?” I can kick head height and I am a pretty good kicker. I look and I am built physically like "Vin diesel", you know the guy from "Triple X". I am strong and fast and my height is 5'8". So what do you guys recommend? Go start a fight with a total stranger (I think that would be wrong to do)? Or go to a martial arts school? Or maybe a boxing gym? The only good martial arts schools out here in Hawaii are Wing Chun schools, there is JKD schools but I don't know how to tell if they are good or not. We also have TKD schools and Kung Fu schools in Hawaii. I want to be a good fighter and have the confidence of a really good fighter...confidence in my abilities as a fighter. So can you guys help me out?...and do you guys think it’s possible for me to become a good fighter on my own? Please, everyone’s advice on how I can become a good fighter would really be appreciated.

Dude.. shut up. U never been in a street fight b4? OMg how ol r u? :eek: :D

Listen up:

First u go to... eerrrrrr school of english boxin. U practise punches on the sandbag. U skip on a rope every day. U spar every day. U train hard. U learn to punch usin whole weight of ur body. U learn to shoot series of punches usin whole weight of ur body.

Until u fight on streets u dont know sh...
Start w sum drunk. Its easy.. Drunk people cant do sh... U punch them into face, u lean when they do punch u, so they dont :D
U can also practise on city criminals. They usually get out at night.


If u want to have a complete arsenal of technix learn some judo/ju-jitsu and Muay Thai kix to tha legs.......





But dude.. all this sh..'ll get u enough of problems including jail, knife in tha back and death, so beta stay close to yo mama so bad guyz cant get close :p :woo:

[Kenpo Kicker]

Sounds like you have not been in a fight either.

"U can also practise on city criminals. They usually get out at night."

rofl, lay off the weed.

[hEmPY]

Sounds like you have not been in a fight either.

"U can also practise on city criminals. They usually get out at night."

rofl, lay off the weed.

dude.. thats what we did sumtimes. Its bete do it w a company, but if ur hardball its ok

[Kenpo Kicker]

I don't buy it. Also write normal. It is annoying. Beating up criminals is hardball eh? City infact what a tough boy. They are strapped where I am from.

[hEmPY]

dude.. get over it. u know Im talkin bout poor thieves, pimps n rapists.

uh.. idiots this days


They are strapped where I am from.

mean they're copz?

[Kenpo Kicker]

no they have guns and usually hang out in large numbers. You are not making any sense. The only ones I see alone without **** are crackheads and they are crazy. I wouldn't **** with no crack head to learn how to fight for my first time if I was that dude. Good luck beating up a pimp. No way to tell who is a rapist or theif, most of them have knives at least.

[hEmPY]

same here

Ur not supose to mess w 'em


However all that city sh.. that is lookin for weak men to rob.... Ya might be lookin for 'em

[Kenpo Kicker]

I think a bar would be more logical. Some drunk may pick a fight with him and he can legitly defend himself and test his ability. If you go in and walk down the bad parts of the city without a gun you aint all there /heh. Most robbers got knives at least.

[hEmPY]

when I had situationz like dat I used my accurate right as fast as I can

but if ur new to knife fightin just kick him in the knee.... they get really smaller :D

[ranger]

what kind of fight are we talking about here? like "lets go outside settle this " kind of fight?

[Kenpo Kicker]

The street fights I enjoyed were set up at a location. You got huge cliques watching you fight. I have not fought In three years (i'm a changed man). I am talking about un-armed street fights with a low potential of weapons being envolved.

"what kind of fight are we talking about here? like "lets go outside settle this " kind of fight?
"

Yeah I would aim for that if I had a intrest in street fighting. This sort of thing happens alot at bars with reps.

[shootodog]

when I had situationz like dat I used my accurate right as fast as I can

but if ur new to knife fightin just kick him in the knee.... they get really smaller :D

it works with a guy who wouldn't know how to use one. it won't work against a guy who does. if you're close enough to kick his knees, he's close enough to slash your throat. stab your eyes. most especially, slice both your hands- off (or at least slice your wrists open). look at the dynamic of the body in that situation. a knife weilding opponent instantly has at least +3 inches from his original reach.

try this out for size. get two red colored permanent markers. give one to the other guy. now try to take each other out (just to make it interesting, wear your favorite shirt). lemme know how that worked out for you.

you generally want to back away from a guy with a knife. really.

enough of the fantasy. the reality of a fight is that most fights never make it past 20 to 30 second. you're never fully prepaired for one.

don't ever go looking for trouble, it may just be too big for you to handle.

[ranger]

I am talking about un-armed street fights with a low potential of weapons being envolved.

Yeah I would aim for that if I had a intrest in street fighting. This sort of thing happens alot at bars with reps.

so, in your experience who has the advantage? one with mA training?

[shootodog]

so, in your experience who has the advantage? one with mA training?

maybe. maybe. then again, if it's my friend kookoo, no amount of m/a training will prep you for that kind of fight.

[Kenpo Kicker]

so, in your experience who has the advantage? one with mA training?


No, the one with street fighting experience. I have seen some ma's do great for their first time (not better than a great street fighter) and others fold up and look horrible. Seen a maer beat up a cocky gang banger, lol. I didn't think the guy could fight either. My kenpo was highly effective. Just about every fight ended on the ground. I had prevous fighting experience prior to this. I have seen some lousy street fighters too though. I remember one guy try to hook punch me and missed. I double punched (dunno why) and he fell on the ground and I started kicking his ribs til he gave up. Alot of the street fighters had experience in boxing and wrestling which is a common thing in the states. I would see friends spar with each other who would fight at the "sand pits". I do not think they did pro boxing just taught themselves and learned wrestling from high school.


edit: The best fighter in there was my best friend (I know he was a maist beacuse remeber when we were young we bareknuckle sparred on the playground). He was a very x maist but had tons of street experience on his side. Ppl that wore pants and long sleeve tough shirts had the advantage. You get ripped up from the sand when ground fighting. In one fight I was ground fighting with shorts and my shirt was ripped off, I fell backwards down the hill while grappling and had to fight up hill which was tough. I ended up winning but very beat up. My knees and elbows were bleeding and other scratches from sand as well. I used alot of grown strikes in that fight. His clique threatened me and I just walked right by them with my clique. They were very afraid of my best friend and some others with me. I lost touch with him when I moved. I been meaning to ask him if he did tkd or kung fu. I remeber a very fancy kick from him that looked more like kung fu than tkd. I was very young though.

again edit: Hahha, I remeber my best friend scared shitless of one maist who he considered a ma nut. He is a tough son of a gun and never seen him afraid of anyone. My friend was also a nut, lol. He would bark at ppl like a dog and make the whole clique do it :). The crazy guy that is cool not completly crazy.

[hEmPY]

it works with a guy who wouldn't know how to use one. it won't work against a guy who does. if you're close enough to kick his knees, he's close enough to slash your throat. stab your eyes. most especially, slice both your hands- off (or at least slice your wrists open). look at the dynamic of the body in that situation. a knife weilding opponent instantly has at least +3 inches from his original reach.

try this out for size. get two red colored permanent markers. give one to the other guy. now try to take each other out (just to make it interesting, wear your favorite shirt). lemme know how that worked out for you.

you generally want to back away from a guy with a knife. really.

enough of the fantasy. the reality of a fight is that most fights never make it past 20 to 30 second. you're never fully prepaired for one.

don't ever go looking for trouble, it may just be too big for you to handle.

Dunno what ur tryin to say, but if u mean u gotta punch :eek: instead of kickin, ur deadly wrong..

Yes. Knife meks the arm longer, but proper done thai kick to the back of the knee iz still longer. Do not, I repeat, DO NOT punch the knife-armed.

..And do not run from a knife-armed, coz theyll reach u faster then u can amagine. They run from police all the time .


The only way I c here iz a hard knee kick, ofcourse nobody's sure about robber's arm reach (and the length of a knife :D ), but u have no choice here. Btw in such situationz distance can play the biggest role. So u have to keep distance of a kick every time and save this distance. Also its good to shoot a fake punch and mix it with knee kick and again dont forget bout distance. U can also use straight kick for distraction. I think if ur good at kickin, 3-5 hard kix to the knee and u can try to get the knife w yo front arm.

U do it like this:
Its like trying slappin the wrist as fast as u can, but when u actually slap it, u grab it as hard as u can and den u pull his arm upwards and add yo back arm. Now u can do several things now, like knee to the groin (most effective), but I prefer to get side step n do sum Judo stuff: it usually ends like bi chiz on the gras n ur on its back ready for fun to begin :D

But if the unarmin doesnt works, I mean if sumthin happenz like guy'll pull his arm from u or whatever u can always kick him to the knee again and den try it again.

Btw u can win without an entire fight, just watch yo opp bad. If u c his takin a knife from a pocket u kick him in the groin that could save the day. If it doesn works like u missed pain parts of groin u kick 'im in the knee. (DONT WAIT TIL HE TAKES THE KNIFE OUT, jus do what I told u an ull live)


Again, if ur lookin for a street fight ur in potential danger. Coz even if u win the fight u may lose the battle....

[Kenpo Kicker]

If I had too I would parry block then use a bjj take down and break the elbow. More than likely I would run since I'm a fast runner.

[Master J]

To become good you must work hard to achieve it.

Now..........................go and train.

[shootodog]

Dunno what ur tryin to say, but if u mean u gotta punch :eek: instead of kickin, ur deadly wrong..

Yes. Knife meks the arm longer, but proper done thai kick to the back of the knee iz still longer. Do not, I repeat, DO NOT punch the knife-armed.

..And do not run from a knife-armed, coz theyll reach u faster then u can amagine. They run from police all the time .


The only way I c here iz a hard knee kick, ofcourse nobody's sure about robber's arm reach (and the length of a knife :D ), but u have no choice here. Btw in such situationz distance can play the biggest role. So u have to keep distance of a kick every time and save this distance. Also its good to shoot a fake punch and mix it with knee kick and again dont forget bout distance. U can also use straight kick for distraction. I think if ur good at kickin, 3-5 hard kix to the knee and u can try to get the knife w yo front arm.

U do it like this:
Its like trying slappin the wrist as fast as u can, but when u actually slap it, u grab it as hard as u can and den u pull his arm upwards and add yo back arm. Now u can do several things now, like knee to the groin (most effective), but I prefer to get side step n do sum Judo stuff: it usually ends like bi chiz on the gras n ur on its back ready for fun to begin :D

But if the unarmin doesnt works, I mean if sumthin happenz like guy'll pull his arm from u or whatever u can always kick him to the knee again and den try it again.

Btw u can win without an entire fight, just watch yo opp bad. If u c his takin a knife from a pocket u kick him in the groin that could save the day. If it doesn works like u missed pain parts of groin u kick 'im in the knee. (DONT WAIT TIL HE TAKES THE KNIFE OUT, jus do what I told u an ull live)


Again, if ur lookin for a street fight ur in potential danger. Coz even if u win the fight u may lose the battle....

1) never said anything about punching either. a mt 45 is good too, but opens you up to a knife counter on your groin and femural artery (castrated or bleeding to death). 2) grabbing the knife hand is practical but doesn't really guarantee anything. 3) if you try to grapple with a knife weilding opponent, well...um...try doing the drill i propose. take a marker, give it to another guy. tell him to tag you with it, then try taking him down. if you end up on the ground with it...see the nice marker marks on your arms and body? nice, huh?

jailhouse 52 and fma have some great realistic knife counters because they don't discount the fact that you're going to get tagged.

i go for what richard dimitri says: "train, train hard. train smart. train always."

good luck.

[Kenpo Kicker]

The bjj move I have in mind would not get ya stabbed if you already have the hand. I also do not know how to explain the block I know for kenpo knife defense. I do believe it was a parry block. I will ask somone to stab me with one of our wooden knives and see if I feel it. In a fight against a knife getting stabbed in the arm is not as bad as getting stabbed in a lung or other body areas.

[shootodog]

The bjj move I have in mind would not get ya stabbed if you already have the hand. I also do not know how to explain the block I know for kenpo knife defense. I do believe it was a parry block. I will ask somone to stab me with one of our wooden knives and see if I feel it. In a fight against a knife getting stabbed in the arm is not as bad as getting stabbed in a lung or other body areas.

most ma-ists think that their moves won't get them stabbed. i don't dillude myself. i know i'm gonna get cut.

[StreetDragon]

I want to become a really good fighter, good enough that if I were to fight someone on the street I could have enough confidence in my fighting abilities that I know I would win. The problem is that I have never been in a street fight before…I have never been in any kind of fight before. To someone who does not care for fighting this might be a good thing, but I love fighting and I want to be a really good fighter. My question is, “what is the best way for me to become a good fighter?” I can kick head height and I am a pretty good kicker. I look and I am built physically like "Vin diesel", you know the guy from "Triple X". I am strong and fast and my height is 5'8". So what do you guys recommend? Go start a fight with a total stranger (I think that would be wrong to do)? Or go to a martial arts school? Or maybe a boxing gym? The only good martial arts schools out here in Hawaii are Wing Chun schools, there is JKD schools but I don't know how to tell if they are good or not. We also have TKD schools and Kung Fu schools in Hawaii. I want to be a good fighter and have the confidence of a really good fighter...confidence in my abilities as a fighter. So can you guys help me out?...and do you guys think it’s possible for me to become a good fighter on my own? Please, everyone’s advice on how I can become a good fighter would really be appreciated.
“Pain is the beginning of strength” but more so
"Pain is weakness leaving the body"

The only way to become a good fighter is to fight, but don’t go looking for a stranger to fight as you never know when you will be 2 inches away from death in a bad situation.

Before you go out and fight...
1. You need to build your pain tolerance, and know your limits.
2. You need good cardiovascular. (It doesn’t matter if you look like 'XXX' if u cant run for a few miles, or cant hold a steady heavy bag routine for at least a hard hour, you are not going to last in a street fight.)
3. You need strength. (Sounds like you are ok here)
4. You need flexibility. (Usually overlooked as important in street fights, but this was STRONGLY emphasized by Bruce Lee. He always taught a good athlete is both strong, flexible and has good cardio. Flexibility will obviously help you execute your martial arts moves.)
5. You need a solid street fighting technique.

Many martial artists just say that technique is all your need. BS. Obviously they have never been in a real fight. I have done lots of full contact sparring with high level "class trainers" whom think they will have no problem destroying me with their moves. They may have better technique but when you can stand there and take a full power side kick to the ribs and not budge, you are going to be ready for their follow up attack. Also many of arts are built to standards and have too many hindering rules. If the art you are studying has sport competitions with rules, it’s probably NOT a good one to learn for use in the street.

For me growing up where you had to fight to live, combat become normal, and I soon turned to martial arts. To my dismay once I got in I realized that the vast majority of people training in the arts are only "Class Trainers" and not "Class Fighters" at all. I guess they just get their kicks out of having an art as a sense of security, or maybe its just a hobby to keep them in shape.

If you want to become a strong fighter, just master the 5 things at the top.
For myself I do the following.

1. Practice all my martial arts moves with other members of my club in FULL contact bare fist/foot exercises. There is no sparring here, just HARD repetitive practicing of blocks + attacks. By doing this you no only build pain tolerance from taking the hits but also increase your reaction time and speed.

My favorite 2 exercises for this are
a. Round Kicks - Start out by holding a training blocking pad against your side (ribs) and have your partner kick you hard as they can 5 times, then switch to you kicking them. Then they kick you on your other side, and then you kick their opposite side.
Start with 5 sets of 5 kicks, and work your way up to more and more as you get stronger. Eventually you will be able to take full power kicks to the side without having them phase you. (It is a great feeling)(Also at first you will just build calluses to absorb the blows but for higher levels of power you will also need to have worked those abs and side muscles to help protect the body as well, this is also very important)
This exercise will build both the power in the 1 persons kick and the pain tolerance in the 2nd person.

b. My other favorite drill we do is the attack to counter then straight blast.
For this one, at first have 1 partner choose an attack they will throw and let your know (ie. a right hook) The 2nd person's job is to block this full power bare fisted punch and then throw in any counter attack as fast as possible. Right after that first counter quickly follow up with a straight blast. For the 1st person on the other end of the straight blast, all they can do is block and move straight backwards (across the room or where ever you are practicing until you have pushed them to the back wall)
For the person blocking they need to keep their head up the whole time but not rely only on their eyes to block. The 2nd person or attacker is allowed to throw any punch or kick necessary onto the person where ever they see their guard is lacking. This process will help the 1st person with pain tolerance to their head and everywhere else in their body, as well as building their blocking skill. The 2nd person will learn to extend their hits fully and learn the feeling of hitting another moving body.

2. For cardio this is very important because you never know how a street fight will end. I’ve ended up taking out my opponent or 2 or 3, but this can sometimes last for 10-20 minutes depending on the situation, and mixed with all your emotions and adrenaline things can get out of control fast. The principles of Jeet Kune Do are great that teach you have to turn off and on your emotions to control this situation. And you never know when you will decide that its best to turn when the fight turns bad (ie. an unexpected weapon comes into play, or more people who up)

3. Obviously strength is important in a street fight to execute your blows, but its not about size. If you look like 'XXX' you might have built up too much non-functional muscle, and not enough combat muscle. If you look at pictures of Bruce Lee, you can seel that his muscles are tightly packed balls of solid power. This power comes from alternating your workout days with time on the heavy bag. For every hour i put in at the gym, I put in on the heavy bag the next day. For my routine I do Upper Body Workouts M/W/F and just kicking on the bag. Then on T/T/S I do lower body workouts and all punching on the bags. This alteration will convert ever ounce of that muscle gained into real world functional power for your kicks + punches + grapples.

4. Flexibly allows you to have better range on your kicks, punches and blocks. A lot of body building exercises restrict the range of the arms, often seriously harm your ability to move and defend, as well as slow you down. I have found that this is the case with a lot of the bigger guys that I have fought. They look intimidating, but they are often much easier to deal with in both close range and extended range combat.

5. Once you have built your body to be a temple of power, speed, and endurance you will rise to the top of any martial arts group. This is a personal choice from here on what arts you would like to study. Personally for street combat if you have access to a JKD club in which the people are serious about fighting, you are best off. A great quick system to learn would be the modified hand to hand JKD combat training program that all Navy Seals learn. This system is taught to the Seals in 3 full days, and is BY FAR the most deadly system out there. With strong Wing Chun fundamental (straight blast, centerline theory), mixed with some Brazilian ground wrestling (holds, locks), Philippine stick fighting to teach use of a bat, crow bar, or Billy club), as well as some knife fighting skills from a variety of other arts, you will be leaps ahead of the completion in only 1 weekend. If you don’t have access to one of these classes I suggest fly to the mainland for a few days and taking the seal team weekend camp (note: this is also VERY harsh, they treat you like you are a seal for those days, but you will never regret it, I sure didn’t) With a solid base in that, and having completed the previous 4 steps, you can pretty much have no fear of your enemy. (Unless they have a gun, then I cant help you there) Once you have taken this art, it would probably be best to move to Jun Fan JKD, to broaden your arsenal of attacks, blocks, and grapples.

At my Wing Chun club there are a special few of us who are "class fighters" instead of "class trainers", and in fact the majority of all martial artists today have never even been in a fight. For me I grew up fighting to survive I got into martial arts as soon as I could, and have studied a few forms, only to end up learning that the advice I just gave here is defiantly the best way for anyone to learn how to really fight. I would have to agree with you, I love fighting as well. And working on those 5 things average 22 hours per week these days, i havnt woken up without some part of me hurting in over 4 months :) but im in it for the end result.

In working on those 5 steps its usually best if you have a friend or partner with the same enthusiams to help you stay focused and train hard. And also to fight with. At first you can do full contact sparring with typical 'kung fu' or any other martial art's sparring gear. But if you are work on those pain tolerance this gear will become obsolete FAST. Leaving you and your partner to resort to the harshest and dirtiest methods on fighting. Sticking to an art will only help you win a fight with a martial artists, but using techniques based on an art in a full no rules fight will help you learn to deal with the unexpected. Its not uncommon that groin shots, or eye gouges are used at our fight club. If you can find a group of others as enthusiastic as your (they are out there you just have to find them) Setup a fight club (Yes just like the movie) in your basement or garage, and fight to submission. This is the ULTIMATE in learning to fight, and I have been running mine just with friends for a few years, but make sure that when the night is over everyone sits down and relaxes and talks about the fights that went on, so that no-one makes it personal, and everyone stays friends. This is very do-able, and if you have the motivation go for it.

Oh, and going to a boxing club, or other martial arts club will only provide you with fight experience in that 'rule sturctured' enviroment, but will have no real aid in a street fight, where anything goes.

I hope that this information has helped you more then a lot of the garble reply’s I have read on this post. Also this is my first post on MAP. Message me if you have any more questions…

[ranger]

Also this is my first post on MAP.…
welcome to the MAP!

by the way, you forgot to mention to train the mind to fight. how do you train your mind to fight? or is it just incidental that when you do what you said you already train the mind?

good day :)

[StreetDragon]

Training the mind is also a whole area on its own I find.

For alot of fighters, even boxers or sport martial artists, just the constant practice and forcing thier bodies to endure practice is training the mind. As you are training you are always growing stronger in your mind as well to learn techniques and build your courage. Thats how you get alot of cockey "Class Trainers" who think they could kick anyone's ass. But let them be.

As for real fighting situations I usually use meditation and relaxation before and after a fight, hard spar, or pain tolerance exercise. I think relaxing the body and all the muscles concentrating on healing, and strengthening the body helps. I have learnt alot of these techniques from one of my chinese elder Wing Chun instructors. From him I have learnt how to use the mind to prepare the body for the pain and exhaustion, and also to enforce courage. I find this a great help, being able to enter with a clearn mind, and have you body ready to commit to the fight is a big help.

There is also a practice of hypnotic pain tolerance. I did think a couple years ago and it truely can work to shut out pain. By telling your body you feel know pain the pain wont get to your brain and effect you. The best way to do it is along with the natural flow of the body to hold back all pain until the fight is over. This works with the adreneline to keep you at peak condition until you relax, then blood also does this when you are stabbed. Usually in a fight when you are stabbed you wont start bleeding until your heart rate slows down. When you are tense and fighting the blood clots that area to help the body survive, but look out cause as soon as you relax you better be running for a bandage or the hospital. I dont practice this as much anymore and it can be misleading. You may be able to endure more attacks but I was realizing that the attacks were damaging my body without you knowing it (ie getting broken ribs from a kick and not knowing it). I think the best method to build pain tolerance is to get callused up and have a high physical pain tolerance so that when you take a kick your ribs wont break, and you will be able to physically endure the attact. If you can do this physically then i think it would be benificial to use meditation/hypnosis to block out any extra pain. That way you would have the best of both physical and mental protection.

Bruce Lee also taught in JKD how to use the emotional flips that he used while in a fight. Being calm and relaxed while staying in long range, and blocking, and then flipping on your rage while barreling down your opponent. Emotional release also give you an extra boost of energy. Try practicing this on the heavy bag at first. Throw it some light punches and dance around then charge in with a straight blast or series of hard attacks, then back off and be relaxed again. After getting good at this you are at a great advantage in a fight. Usually because someone who wants to fight you is going to be mad, at something that happend to them or some other personal reason. This usuaally result in even a good martial artist forgetting his skill and turning into a flailing crazed man. If you can stay calm and keep focused on the situation and not on winning the fight you will definatly have the advantage.

In I fight I think you shouldnt tell yourself you are going to win, have a strong trust in your skill, but tell yourself you are going to do as best you can and just take the fight one move at a time. I find that this puts more focus on each move resulting you to put 100% effort into each one in hopes of finishing your opponent with just that set. Often this is the case if you were to throw a round kick to the head followed by a straight blast, then a knee fo the solar plexis and a headput to finish. Concentating on finishing that set of moves will pretty much finish any man. But if not, you just bounce to the next set and do it again.

But probably the most important thing to know in your mind is that in a real fight is "you will not rise to the level of your expectation, but fall to the level of your training"

[ranger]

so its incidental in your part i presume. so you train to be calm to prepare for an extremely pressured situation? and also what kind of fights are we talking here? i somehow get the picture. is it ok if i ask what kind of fight situations you have been to? hope you don't mind.

[StreetDragon]

I spent some time growing up in a ruff neighbor hood where fights were a weekly thing. If you have ever seen the bumfights video, you might see a glimps on me in the background of one of those street brawls where getting into gang fights was sort of a hobby/sport (im not really in the video but thats the idea).

After that I started training in boxing/kickboxing and moved to a rural community for Sr. High. There I stood out as a 'city slicker skater punk' type kid, so going to alot of bush parties packed with hicks often ended up in mimi-brawls. Eventually I got fed up with them, so me and my friends just started going to bush parties with the entention to call on any hick of any size to a fight to submission. Unfortinatly things didnt always end with submission.

In grade 12 I moved to a small city (80,000 people) and started a noon hour fight club with my friends. It slowly grew and we invited more and more people over. During the 1 hour break we would all run to my place (3 blocks from school) and have fights to submission. Just like the movie, no shirts no shoes, but we wore those small padded bag punching boxing gloved. Anything went, and when someone tapped out it was over. But having those gloves on really gave people the courage to just let the other have it. During these fights noone was ever seriously hurt, broken nose, blackeyes, nothing crazy.

After Highschool and 1 year of kickboxing and turned to martial arts to increase my fighting skill. I studied a little hwarang ku do, TKD, and Akido, but found them all lacking to the fight experience I had before. After that I stubbled in to Bruce Lee's work and JKD. Since then that has change my life.
After doing some reseach and buying all his books, I decided to go and take the 3 day Navy Seal JKD combat course. That was brutal, but I loved it. All they focused on was headbuts, knee's, elbows, and thumb in eyes, as well as some stick and knife. Mastering these moves and combos were a great help.
Seeing there is no good Jun Fan JKD in my area I looked around for a while and found a Wing Chun club which had a passion to train fighters, so I joined up with them. In addition to the standard Wing Chin techniques, They also hold classes to teach those full contact drills that i posted above and some others, but the system is designed to immitate a real street fight. I find it very effective to my past experiences and a huge help.

Im my first year of collage I got mixed up with the old style street groud again and ended up having to bail my friends out of alot of fights. But following Bruce Lee, and not drinking anymore, I became the designated bouncer fo all thier hall parties which often have 400-500 people there.
Me and some other friends took on the role of bouncing to try and keep alot of the acid / crack heads from coming in and trashing the place. Probably the worst situation was when 2 gangs got into a fight. 1 group all had pepper stray and knuckle busters, and the other one had a coulple guys with 21" ASP batons, and push blade knives. For those situations I carried 2 21" ASP batons, and used alot of my stick training experince from the differant martial arts.

After realizing that lifesty was going nowhere I left the city and relocated to where I am now to take my 2nd year of Uni. Since then I have not been in any real fights at all. And I dont really plan on going back to that lifestyle of fighting. But to keep up on my fighting skills and defense I recently started another fight club at my University but am having some trouble locating a steady place to practice, as I live in an apartment now. I have found some eagar students who want to learn how to fight, and I am helping them train in all the ways i posted above, and we try to hold weekly fightclubs.

Many people fear pain and fighting, but really its amazing how much the physical body can take, escpecially when you train it.

I dunno, that about sums up my life in fighting..

[Ad McG]

I thought the first rule of fight club was that you DO NOT TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB???

:D

[Mushroom]

Staying with the orignal post on the way of becoming a good fighter....
train.train.train.

There is a lot of good advice here especially about health, which is what you really need to look at too, style wont mean a thing if you got poor health.

If you wanna fight professionally go to a good training ground, countries like Russia have government funding for training k-boxers, sambo and such.
Also in a streetfight, need to learn how to fight dirty too, although a good clean fist to face would knock someone out. Last like 10 seconds.
I like sparring. Its fun. I pad myself up and fight, the padding is there because i dont wanna hurt my friends that i have made in class, If its a person i dont like then i take off the padding and actually hit them less, but with a hell of a lot more force. Thankfully, that is very few and far between.

Some people like fighting for different reasons. A lot is just to show others their 'superiority' and beat their chests (i see a lot of that) other just wanna test their skill (i dont see enough of that).
I refuse to spar with a couple of people in my class because they just wanna hurt someone and they laugh when they do, for example, wearing shoes while the other is barefoot. Unfortunatly lowering myself to their level would only encourage them more. ( and please no posts that reply...'well in the street, you never know what the other blah blah' as the situations are totally different).

Wanna learn how to fight? get your butt kicked on a regular basis like i did and you will learn something. seriously.

[StreetDragon]

I thought the first rule of fight club was that you DO NOT TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB???

:D
Dammit your right.. hahaha..

Its ok, im not trying to start a international terrorist organization. :)

[shootodog]

Wanna learn how to fight? get your butt kicked on a regular basis like i did and you will learn something. seriously.

hahaha! i agree! the masters of kali illustrisimo first learned from the old man by paying him to show them something. he would then tell them to get thier bastons and would proceed to just barrage them with strikes. they eventuially learned to block the strikes so the master would then start with counters to the blocks, upon which his students started to learn counter striking. and so forth and so on.

there is a martial arts brotherhood here in the philippines called bakbakan. for them ang sabak ang siyang guro (the fight/ sparring is the best teacher).

[Gerry]

D are you still there, this is pretty old now,
Did you ever get your answer? Aravi has a point, fighting is an art, it starts from within.....

[hux]

I would recommend you NOT go out and seek street fights. Good way to get arrested or killed.

Sounds to me like what yer after might be some form of MMA. Shrug.