Herbal Detoxing

[KickChick]

I was wondering if anyone here has had the experience of using detox patches.

Supposedly these patches help to draw out unnecessary waste matter from the body. The body may not be able to discharge all of the waste it may contain on its own.

Info regarding Toxin Extraction:
Adults have around 400 to 800 man-made chemicals lodged in their bodies. Normal healthy body elimination processes do not remove them all. Foods, drinks, breathing, medications, stress, metabolism, disease, personal products applied to skin, synthetics, home and workplace chemicals contribute to the body's toxic load which accumulates daily and builds up over the years. This can lead to degenerative disease. For effective natural immunity that has evolved over countless centuries, the body needs to reach a balance between excretion of toxins and absorption of nutrients and water.


So there are these detox patches available that help the body achieve an optimum state of wellness (homeostatis) by improving blood circulation, increasing metabolism, activating red blood cells, providing a more restful sleep, and the absorption of expelled bodily fluids.

There is an Asian expression that says aging comes from the foot.
The feet, being extremities furthest from the heart, have the hardest job of pumping blood carrying toxins back up to the heart, kidneys, lungs & liver.

Now this is what I've been reading and perhaps someone here can tell me whether this is all hogwah or not.

When lying horizontally, the body fluids gather in the head and toes. Toxins that are heavier tend to sink to the lower part of the body when standing during the day and normally accumulate around the feet with gravity. There is an acupuncture point in the sole of the foot called "yong chwean" which in Mandarin means 'gushing water spring'. Excess toxins and moisture from the body will be excreted to this acupuncture point and if wearing foot detox patches, these toxins will be absorbed.

The patches warm up to open the pores to draw and absorb the accumulated wastes from osmotic pressure through the skin from the blood and lymph systems.
.... people with cancer, their patches may be black and soggy with a foul stench and pull out more moisture than the capacity of the patches to absorb. The darker the colour, the more fluid toxins are excreted. White crystals can represent uric acid, green-copper, orange- asbestos. The patches will become lighter and drier as they remove more toxins.

Anyone here ever use (or would think about) using lymphatic patches applied to acupuncture points, where there are pains, health issues or swelling ... or to help remove toxins ?

[Maverick]

I think it's complete hogwash, but then again I am biased against any kind of remedy linked to Asia or some Asian phrase because of all the 'traditional' rubbish that has originated there.

If the toxins sink to the feet, then surely the nutrients and anti-toxins do as well, or do they have a lower atomic mass or something :rolleyes:. The heart pumping defies gravity. Besides, the foot is a relatively unimportant area, better that the 'toxins' accumulate there and not in the internal organs or head.

Having said that the minute there are valid studies on it I'd be happy to try them myself.

[Sgt_Major]

Besides, the foot is a relatively unimportant area

Are you serious?! The feet are probably one of the most body dense parts of the body.....acupunturist and reflexologists all use the feet to heal other ailments in all the other organs and body parts.....

[Maverick]

What does body dense mean???

I'm sorry, but if you were diagnosed with cancer, would you go to a reflexologist or a surgeon? I fail to see how playing around with someone's foot would actually cure any disease in the rest of the body. Acupuncture might be good for pain relief but I'll be damned if it's ever been used to treat any kind of serious malady.

[aikiMac]

I'm sorry, but if you were diagnosed with cancer, would you go to a reflexologist or a surgeon? I fail to see how playing around with someone's foot would actually cure any disease in the rest of the body. Acupuncture might be good for pain relief but I'll be damned if it's ever been used to treat any kind of serious malady.
Shows how much you still have to learn, young Grasshopper.

I've never felt the need for a "detox patch" or any such thing. Colloidal silver and carrot juice and psyllium seem to work for me. Add lemon juice to water to make the body alkaline, and I've been good to go.

[Sgt_Major]

body dense......connections to the most other parts of the body. Cancer cant be 'cured' without surgery......Im talking back pain, headaches/migranes.....liver problems etc....

[aikiMac]

Cancer cant be 'cured' without surgery.
Cancer can be cured through diet.
I know that is outside the paradigm a lot of people live in, but their paradigms don't make it false.

[Sgt_Major]

Not sure it can be cured.....controlled maybe, not cured.

[Maverick]

I wonder why the doctors don't prescribe it for cancer then, possibly because it doesn't work for normal people with normal 'paradigms'?

[aikiMac]

I wonder why the doctors don't prescribe it for cancer then, possibly because it doesn't work for normal people with normal 'paradigms'?
Or possibly because the doctors would lose control. Or possibly because their teachers didn't teach them. Or possibly because the medical doctors haven't a mind wide enough to accept an alternate point of view.

Pride is a terrible thing. It blinds you both to the errors of your ways, and to the truth around you.

Point to ponder: Medical doctors, through their treatments, sometimes kill people and sometimes hurt people. But no one has ever died and no one has ever been injured by chiropractic treatment. Why is that, huh?

Point to ponder: You can't use a medical text book from 200 years ago, or 100 years ago, or 50 years ago, or probably even 20 years ago. They're out dated. They don't contain enough truth. They even have untruths in them. But you can use an acupuncture text from 2000 years ago, because the material therein is still accurate. It's still true. Why is that, huh?

Pride is a terrible thing.

[Sgt_Major]

I wonder why the doctors don't prescribe it for cancer then, possibly because it doesn't work for normal people with normal 'paradigms'?

Because, as I said already, it cant cure it...... you brought cancer into the equation.....we were dicussing other ailments.....and yes my GP has sent people for alternative treatments, but our NHS will not fund them. I have paid for them myself when modern medicine has failed me again and again.

[Maverick]

Point to ponder: Medical doctors, through their treatments, sometimes kill people and sometimes hurt people. But no one has ever died and no one has ever been injured by chiropractic treatment. Why is that, huh?


Because they aren't strong enough?


Point to ponder: You can't use a medical text book from 200 years ago, or 100 years ago, or 50 years ago, or probably even 20 years ago. They're out dated. They don't contain enough truth. They even have untruths in them. But you can use an acupuncture text from 2000 years ago, because the material therein is still accurate. It's still true. Why is that, huh?

Pride is a terrible thing.

Because unlike acupuncture texts, medical ones have steadily advanced and have been able to document techniques to treat more and more ailments with stronger medicines/better techniques?

[Dr NinjaBellydance]

They are claiming to be able to remove ASBESTOS from the body?! :eek:

[aikiMac]

Because, as I said already, it cant cure it.
Why do you say it can't be cured? I can think of two diets which cure cancer: macrobiotic, and "living foods."

For comparison, does "scientific medicine" cure the common cold, or just control it? Does medicine cure anything, by your definition, or does it just control diseases?


Because unlike acupuncture texts, medical ones have steadily advanced and have been able to document techniques to treat more and more ailments with stronger medicines/better techniques?
I hope they get better. They killed Pres. George Washington, and that was about 200 years ago. Had to throw away the text books after that one. "Oops, that theory didn't work."

It takes an awful lot of pride to say that, "My methods are the right ones, and your methods are wrong," when every few decades you throw away your text books because, oops, your methods were wrong. A better approach would be to say, "I'm trying this, and in a few decades I'll know if it's good or not. Meanwhile, I'd like to see what you guys have been doing since before Jesus was born." And that's my point.

I wonder the ramifications on the economy if MD's started telling people that food cures disease. I suspect that it wouldn't be good. I think I heard that the pharmaceutical industry accounts for 1/7 of the US economy.

[KickChick]

It is my understanding that this toxin extraction does not "cure" diseases but removing the excess toxin load in one's body will help in eliminating the possibility of encountering a degenerative disease.

"For effective natural immunity the body needs to reach a balance between excretion of toxins and absorption of nutrients and water."

So whatever we take in via our diets may not be absorbed if we happen to have an excess of toxins ... is this correct?

[Sgt_Major]

Why do you say it can't be cured? I can think of two diets which cure cancer: macrobiotic, and "living foods."

In that case Ive learned something new :D

My uncle died of Cancer. They operated on him, removed it, it came back. they operated again, removing it...it came back a 3rd time. he said no more operations. It killed him. :(

[aikiMac]

In that case Ive learned something new :D

My uncle died of Cancer. They operated on him, removed it, it came back. they operated again, removing it...it came back a 3rd time. he said no more operations. It killed him. :(
I can understand your feelings. A very, very close friend of my family -- might as well call her my sister, because that's how we felt about her -- died of cancer a couple years ago. She was only 23. That's not supposed to happen. She tried the chemotherapy route. No good. Cancer subsided, and then grew up again, and killed her. She did not try either of the diets, or any other diet for that matter.

[Kwajman]

I think the detox methods described aren't really designed to "cure" cancer. But I've heard some great things regarding removing the antioxidants and other crud thats built up in the body. But no, I've not done the detox method.

[Maverick]

It takes an awful lot of pride to say that, "My methods are the right ones, and your methods are wrong," when every few decades you throw away your text books because, oops, your methods were wrong. A better approach would be to say, "I'm trying this, and in a few decades I'll know if it's good or not. Meanwhile, I'd like to see what you guys have been doing since before Jesus was born." And that's my point.


I think the attitude of most doctors and surgeons is not 'we're right, you're wrong' but 'this is the clinically proven best solution to the problem, a better one may exist, but we don't have it yet'.

It's preposterous to claim that doctors would refuse to use other forms of healing because of pride.


I wonder the ramifications on the economy if MD's started telling people that food cures disease. I suspect that it wouldn't be good. I think I heard that the pharmaceutical industry accounts for 1/7 of the US economy.

They do tell us food cures disease, well, prevents it (serious disease cannot be cured with food), why do you think they established an RDA for vitamins and minerals, why do you think they encourage people to eat healthily?

[blessed_samurai]

The best detox I have found is through juicing or a product called Cleanse Smart.

Detoxifying the body can be as simple as a liver cleanse or gall bladder cleanse to downright the whole body.

And yes, cancer can be cured through natural means and/or someones life can be elongated through natural means.

A lot of times our body is out of balance, being to acidic and we must alkalize it or all sorts of health problems will pop up.

[Maverick]

I would love to see evidence of a formidable cancer being reversed and killed off by natural means.

[aikiMac]

I would love to see evidence of a formidable cancer being reversed and killed off by natural means.
Really? I don't believe you. I already mentioned two diets that work when followed: macrobiotic, and "living foods." I'll give you a third, one that I don't know as much about: the "hallelujah diet." Hallelujah Acres promotes it. Maybe they have a weekend radio program in your city.

[blessed_samurai]

Here are a few things that I have witnessed just from juicing alone:

A guy's HIV levels dropped off to where it appeared he was not affected with the virus.

Cancerous moles have fallen off and suddenly all tests shown no cancer.

A gentleman was told by doctors that he had 6 weeks left to live no matter what treatments he got. He started consuming wheatgrass everyday...you konw what? He lived for another 10 years (I get this story second hand from his widow).

Anyway...that's just a few things I've seen up at work. Take it for how you will. I would also invite anyone to visit the site www.gardenoflife.com. Take a look at Jordan Rubin's story...it's pretty interesting. http://www.gardenoflife.com/company_jordan_rubin.shtml
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/144/story_14464_1.html

[Maverick]

Blessed, I'm sure you can appreciate I'm very skeptical of anything that isn't a controlled study. I don't believe for one second that there is some doctor conspiracy against natural cures. The pharmaceutical companies might have an agenda against natural cures because they can't patent their contents, but I don't see why many scientists would have such an agenda.

[blessed_samurai]

I understand you scepticism, as we should all be when it comes to medicine and science and really anything, but here is some food for thought....

Doctors often prescribe antibiotics which lower our immune system. The pharmaceutical companies give the doctors a kickback on how many prescriptions they write for their company...soooo...the doctors keep gettin money for the drugs they prescribe us that "cure" us of our said problem at the time, only that it lowers our immune system so that we are susceptable to catch something else. We then have to go back to the doctor for another prescription.

My experience with doctors unless they're a naturopath is that they would rather give you a prescription for something than let you get well of natural means...simply, if for no other reason this is money out of thier pocket.

[aikiMac]

What Blessed Samurai said.

Plus, MDs probably don't know about Mother Nature's remedies. I had a ten-minute talk with a pediatrician about how to cure my daughter of bronchitus. She swore that antibiotics is the only way. And she was certain that she knew what she was talking about because (quote) she went to medical school.

It turns out that she was wrong. Cherry tree bark tea works just fine, thank you. It does a marvelous job on bronchitus. But the pediatrician didn't know about cherry tree bark because she wasn't taught it in medical school.

Why wasn't she taught it in medical school? Ah, there's a good question.

[Maverick]

Googling Bronchitis makes it out to be less than serious disease for a non-smoker, and on http://www.mckinley.uiuc.edu/health-info/dis-cond/cold/bronchit.html it states 'for patients who do not respond to dietary and other lifestyle changes....'. Hardly encourages the excessive use of antibiotics there.

[PhantomPig]

What does body dense mean???

I'm sorry, but if you were diagnosed with cancer, would you go to a reflexologist or a surgeon? I fail to see how playing around with someone's foot would actually cure any disease in the rest of the body. Acupuncture might be good for pain relief but I'll be damned if it's ever been used to treat any kind of serious malady.

In terms of traditional chinese medicine the cause of cancer is established and can be treated. sometimes successfully and sometimes not. It doesnt claim to be a miracle cure lets get that straight.

Modern western medicine can be effective against cancer but does not yet have an idea of what its all about. So in terms of healing you would probably be better going to an acupuncturist because they are one step ahead. They will have an idea of whats causing the cancer.

This is just my opinion of course.

And about that foot thing, the feet are very important parts of the body. Alot of the acupoints on the feet have a very strong effect commpared to those on the body. The gushing spring point or Kidney 1 is excellent and would give mostly anyone an extra boost. As for toxins collecting at the feet I dont know of any TCM theory that would suggest this. The patches may just be collecting dirt and sweat as the feet are quite an unhygienic place. Im with the whoever said tehy would wait till some studies are published that prove them effective and maybe some more explaination into the theory behind them.

[Vampyric Acid]

these "traditional" remedies you bad mouth so much are the basis for all modern medicine, just think we wouldnt have aspirin if people hadnt chewed willow root, many other painkillers come from plants, several related to the same plants as cocain (hence prescription painkillers being so addictive), acupuncture has been proven to relieve stress, muscle pain, headache, and many other ailments, Tai Chi is a medical wonder in itsself, and many "western" doctors are considering homeopathic procedures before modern ones, so it may or may not be able to cure cancer, but it can relieve the pain and make the patient more comfortable.

I ahve a whole book downstairs with cures for all kinds of remedies using simple garden herbs, and trust me, they work!

[rtkd-badger]

The best detox I have found is through juicing or a product called Cleanse Smart.

Detoxifying the body can be as simple as a liver cleanse or gall bladder cleanse to downright the whole body.

And yes, cancer can be cured through natural means and/or someones life can be elongated through natural means.

A lot of times our body is out of balance, being to acidic and we must alkalize it or all sorts of health problems will pop up.
Woo Hoo a fellow juicer, people listen, Buy A Vegetable Juicer,
Fruit and vegetables have everything you need to detox, refresh, gain energy and generally feel good. Some of the recipes sound kinda wierd but you will be surprised at the result.

[Maverick]

Seeing as this thread has been bumped, what are you guys' thoughts on this?

http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/liver/huldas_recipe.asp

I thought it was rubbish upon reading it but a few guys on a bodybuilding forum tried it out and it supposedly works.

[rtkd-badger]

Seeing as this thread has been bumped, what are you guys' thoughts on this?

http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/liver/huldas_recipe.asp

I thought it was rubbish upon reading it but a few guys on a bodybuilding forum tried it out and it supposedly works.
Follow what the webmaster has said and you should be ok

[Davey Bones]

I use a few cleansing herbs and oils. I thnk they work pretty well if only to keep my body working properly.

Definitely follow it all to a "T", however, or you could hurt your body.

But I am working on getting more natural on my remedies. I use a specific company for my oils and suppliments, and i really like the results...

[hwardo]

In my opinion, most herbal cleanses are just a few weak diarrhetics that are marketed well.

[jroe52]

doesn't fasting a few times a month do the same thing?

it gives the organs a rest, it allows you to use water/juices to flush your body (cranberry juice and water are good for fasting, so is stuff like grapefruit juice and oj).....

[Vita]

Point to ponder: Medical doctors, through their treatments, sometimes kill people and sometimes hurt people. But no one has ever died and no one has ever been injured by chiropractic treatment. Why is that, huh?


the sad thing is my mother used to work for a surgeon, and had PLENTY of people come in with SERIOUS problems due to poor chiropractic treatment. i'm sure that plenty have died as a cause of trying to heal the body by an unlearned practicioner. saying "no one has ever" is a bit strong for the situation. unless you are aware of all treatment going on, you will never have certain truth to that. try not to spread misinformation.

eastern and western methods of treatment need to meet in the middle on this issue. sorry to say but one is not better than the other per say, only better focused on certain aspects of treatment.

[Vita]

I have paid for them myself when modern medicine has failed me again and again.

it is not the medicine that fails you, it is the prescriber...

[Vita]

i have one more thing to add, that sort of relates to the thought that toxins go to the feet:

"And if you’re ever bitten by a poisonous snake, sucking at the bite to remove the poison, as often shown in the movies and on TV is not only ineffective, but could lead to an infection.

Instead, the bite should be washed with soap and water and immobilized. The bitten area should also be kept lower than the heart. Medical help should be sought immediately."

modern medicing complying with eastern treatment that toxins sink within the body, as taken from the context above. interesting...

[Prophet]

I think there is way to much hype about curing cancer, and detoxing the body, and whatnot. The hype needs to be in preventation. Healthy lifestyles etc...

If you want to "detox" (if its even possible), just start a living cleanly.

These patches and whatnot, are just another image of todays lazy society. We want everything "now now now". They represent to me, a temporary solution to an ongoing problem. Which I am just not down with.

[ember]

That's a good point. All my reading indicates that traditional medical techniques are not quick cures. They're a slow process, and as much about prevention as "cure".

I think there is way to much hype about curing cancer, and detoxing the body, and whatnot. The hype needs to be in preventation. Healthy lifestyles etc...

If you want to "detox" (if its even possible), just start a living cleanly.

These patches and whatnot, are just another image of todays lazy society. We want everything "now now now". They represent to me, a temporary solution to an ongoing problem. Which I am just not down with.

[UKPrawn]

I'm a new poster and am absolutely not here to stir it up. However...

Numerous extremely suspect ideas have been propagated in this thread and others. Nobody is claiming that *all* herbal/traditional treatments are not effective or are dangerous. However I will stand up right now and say: please think about what you are telling people. Colloidal silver is not effective and is dangerous. Period. Macrobiotic diets are ineffective and dangerous. Period. Advocating the idea that conventional medicine is not the most effective cure for cancer is simply insane. Before paying attention to any of the advice relating to these treatments, please try reading:

www.quackwatch.org.

There is no conspiracy between drug companies, doctor's and hospitals. They are not attempting to prey on patients. If you honestly believe there is think you are suffering from paranoid delusions. As it stands, if a treatment is advocated by modern medical practicioners, it has been subjected to repeated, double blinded, controlled studies which have proven it's efficacy and demonstrated that any risks associated are acceptable (i.e. that it helps many, many more people than it harms/doesn't help). Chiropractors, proponents of colloidal silver therapy, macrobitoic diets etc. cannot say the same thing. In science, in this case specifically medicine, if there is a question about a matter, we seek to prove it in a quantitative fashion. Trying out a 'therapy' and saying 'it worked on me so it must be good' does not constitute a valid, scientific study on the matter because this is *only one result*. The experiences of one person, or even the collated experience of numerous individuals where the 'trials' are not organised and not subjected to double blinding and controls, absolutely cannot be accepted as proof. I'm quite willing to debate this matter further with anybody who advocates such therapies. What I'm not after is a flamewar or for somebody to suggest "Prove what you're saying or be quiet". In science (which I'm sure any sane person will side with) then the burden of proof is on the advocate of a particular idea, not the person questioning it.

[aikiMac]

the sad thing is my mother used to work for a surgeon, and had PLENTY of people come in with SERIOUS problems due to poor chiropractic treatment. i'm sure that plenty have died as a cause of trying to heal the body by an unlearned practicioner. saying "no one has ever" is a bit strong for the situation. unless you are aware of all treatment going on, you will never have certain truth to that. try not to spread misinformation.
There's a magnificent difference between injuries caused before chiro treatment, and injuries caused by chiro treatment.

No one in the USA has died because of chiro treatments. I don't care if you don't believe me, but I would hope that look it up if this is a topic that interests you. As an aside, there are body bags, with bodies, in hospitals. There are no body bags, not even empty ones, in chiro offices.

To cause an injury by chiro treatment would be very difficult. This is due to the nature of the work. To cause an injury by hospital treatment is very easy, and happens frequently, again because of the nature of the work. The chiropractor I personally know pays less than two hundred dollars annually for malpractice insurance. (I can't remember the exact figure -- he told me it once. Maybe it was less than a hundred.) Find me an MD who measures his malpractice insurance by the hundreds of dollars. I honestly do not believe it's possible. This demonstrates what insurance companies think about the risks involved in the respective treatments, and that should mean something.

[Maverick]

This demonstrates what insurance companies think about the risks involved in the respective treatments, and that should mean something.

I think it means that hospital treatment is much more powerful than other methods and has higher associated risk.

[aikiMac]

I think it means that hospital treatment is much more powerful than other methods and has higher associated risk.
"Higher risk" is so very true.

[firecoins]

Ahh the old West versus East.

Western Medicine has come up with many good and great things. Vaccines for instance! Repairing of broken bones, transplants. Alot of cancer when caught early can be treated. Western Medicine has helped to increase the general life span of the Western World.

This doens't negate Eastern Medicine which brings about a general sense of well being. Alot of Wester style studies have shown many positive things about Yoga, Tai Chi and Accupuncture particular in the areas of emotional health, pain management and prevention. A recent study showed yoga helped people lose weight. Accupunture has been proven to alieviate depression as opposed to very toxic and expensive medications. I used accupuncure to help with psorasis and allergies.

[JingShen]

Hi ! I'm new here -- this is my first post.

Somebody asked why doctors don't prescribe nutrition to handle diseases. This is probably because they only get 1 semester (3 hours) of nutrition in all their 4 years of medical school, and in that one class, they aren't even taught much true data (stuff like the "food pyramid", for example). Simply put, they don't know much of anything about the subject. They're good for setting bones and things like that, but when it comes to handling the body with diet and herbal medicine, they just don't know anything about it. A lot of them are further ruined by the pharmaceutical companies and their drugs (and lies).

I nearly died many years ago when my adrenals failed. The first 5 docs (MD's) I went to didn't have a clue (never even tested for it) and told me I needed to take psych drugs (good grief !). I finally found a nutritionist in the area ... she recognized the symptoms, ran lab tests and found my adrenals pretty much flatlining. We fixed them using nutrition and natural supplements. Since that time, I've learned quite a lot about nutrition and natural medicine -- call it self-preservation ! :bang:

[slipthejab]

Hi ! I'm new here -- this is my first post.

Somebody asked why doctors don't prescribe nutrition to handle diseases.

errmm... because they're not nutritionist's? :bang:

[JingShen]

By the way, I have gotten rid of a few serious bladder infections using Colloidal Silver and some herbs -- no antibiotics. (In fact, the first time I tried it was after 10 days of antibiotics failed to handle it -- it was one of those "resistant bladder infections" you GET from the hospital !) So I'd say the stuff does work. That web site that was cited (quackwatch) is no authority on anything. I've found some true stuff on it, and a lot of garbage.

I've actually had a lot of success with herbal medicines. I used to get gall bladder attacks -- horrible ones. I had some Chinese herbal medicine books that I had purchased in a Chinese apothecary in Chinatown (20 years ago, the 2-book set cost $80 and is written in Chinese and English -- not a mainstream publication). I looked and found a formula that looked like it would be good for the problem, photocopied the page and took it to the apothecary. They mixed up little bunches of who knows what and I boiled and drank the stuff for a few days. That took care of the gall bladder attacks.

[slipthejab]

You should look into alchemy... hear tell they can change lead into gold! :D


errmm... I think Quackwatch has a bit more on the ball than your simplistic and anecdotal information.

[JingShen]

Simplistic and anecdotal? It's more like this: Facts of actual results. Actual results is what I go by, not what some web site says. If it works, then it works. That's a much better yardstick than a bunch of talk by some "experts". (Who made them experts, anyway ? Just having a web site does not an expert make.)

Cheers !

[slipthejab]

Take a look at the site again... it's a veritable who's who of herbal charlatans, healers and the rest of the motley crew.

I don't say that medical doctors are not the be-all end-all... but some of the treatments they've exposed on that site are so fraudulent they simply defy belief.

[JingShen]

As I said, I've found some true stuff on there, but also plenty of bogus stuff. And how do you, the reader, know, unless you are personally familiar with the item or person or religion or anything else that they are destroying?

I have seen them promote aspartame as being healthy (good grief), and I have seen them poopoo religion (which is not alright to do in my book -- they are trying to remove what last bit of spirituality exists in many people's lives).

[aikiMac]

You should look into alchemy... hear tell they can change lead into gold! :D


errmm... I think Quackwatch has a bit more on the ball than your simplistic and anecdotal information.
I missed the part where this is relevant to anything that JingShen said.

Example:
"Look over there! There's silly people across the street! Ergo, whatever you just said is false, because there's silly people across the street!"

Not very convincing, I must say.

[slipthejab]

aww shucks.. you had to go an introduce some common sense into this!

Foiled again! :bang:

[mai tai]

I think it means that hospital treatment is much more powerful than other methods and has higher associated risk.


show me a medication that has no side effects and ill show you a medication that doesnt work.

you are dead on in this regard. when ever seeking medical treatment a risk outcome assessment is done.

btw......whenever i read aikimacs post...i cue in my head oriental string music and give him a chinese accent.

if accupucture and herbal remediese work so well. why do so many asians come here for med school and residencies.

[aikiMac]

btw......whenever i read aikimacs post...i cue in my head oriental string music and give him a chinese accent.
Celtic music, and a California accent.

[slipthejab]

....

if accupucture and herbal remediese work so well. why do so many asians come here for med school and residencies.

LOL! :D

Maybe because so many of them were born and grew up in their younger years in places like Hong Kong and China and they've seen the daily reports in the newspapers about the people that end up kicking the bucket due to the inconsistancey of ingredients or the outright toxicity of many of the ingredients in TCM's.

Just because it's natural doesn't mean you want to stick it in your body in it's natural state. Many of the top herbicides in the agriculture industry are natural... that doesn't mean you mix em up with some ice and a sprig of mint and serve them to guests. :D

Maybe they've grown up having to drink all the nasty ass concotions that get sold here on the street with no one watching over the process of how their made or where the ingredients come from.

Much of this is stuff that westerners never realize... naw... why should they... they're to busy looking for the mystical Oriental medicines and the new age hocus pocus.

TCM's are a massive industry in their own right... it ain't little old Chinese men with beards sitting in a quaint shop grinding herbs with years of mystical wisdom... pffttt!!!!!!!

Much of this crap is made in factories in Guangdong that the day before were pumping out PVC and god knows what else. :D

[aikiMac]

if accupucture and herbal remediese work so well. why do so many asians come here for med school and residencies.
That's easy, silly: better economics + better post-graduate universities.

Wait another generation and they won't need to come over here for either reason.

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errmm... I think Quackwatch has a bit more on the ball than your simplistic and anecdotal information.


I wouldn't say they have more on the ball, its more like a personal vendetta. They've even done pieces blasting sites like WebMD for suggesting massage threapy and the like.

Some of it stems from claims made by Chiropracters during the growth period of the industry. A few crackpots went as far as suggesting they could cure cancer and other rediculous claims. It's like writting off Karate becasue some yahoo claimed he can hadoken any attacker.

LOL! :D

Maybe because so many of them were born and grew up in their younger years in places like Hong Kong and China and they've seen the daily reports in the newspapers about the people that end up kicking the bucket due to the inconsistancey of ingredients or the outright toxicity of many of the ingredients in TCM's.

Just because it's natural doesn't mean you want to stick it in your body in it's natural state. Many of the top herbicides in the agriculture industry are natural... that doesn't mean you mix em up with some ice and a sprig of mint and serve them to guests. :D

Maybe they've grown up having to drink all the nasty ass concotions that get sold here on the street with no one watching over the process of how their made or where the ingredients come from.

Much of this is stuff that westerners never realize... naw... why should they... they're to busy looking for the mystical Oriental medicines and the new age hocus pocus.

TCM's are a massive industry in their own right... it ain't little old Chinese men with beards sitting in a quaint shop grinding herbs with years of mystical wisdom... pffttt!!!!!!!

Much of this crap is made in factories in Guangdong that the day before were pumping out PVC and god knows what else. :D

You do have a point here. Heavy metal contamination and mislableling accidents aren't unknown. Get to know your supplier and his suppliers.