reverse breathing?

[INTERNAL BOXING]

Any one else practice reverse breathing?

How do you practice it?
how do you do it?
What is the prupose of it?
any tips on it?
um do you do it why doing your forms or just standing nei gong/chi gong?
Do you use it to increase the power of your fa jing?
Do you do it why'll meditating?

and anything else you can think of about reverse breathing im looking for as much information on it as possible.

thanks guy/gals

[daftyman]

Reverse breathing if done incorrectly could lead to problems arising. You are trying to get your body to do something unnatural.

Why do you want to do it?

The only advice I have for breathing is...



don't stop! :D

[gedhab]

Reverse breathing if done incorrectly could lead to problems arising. You are trying to get your body to do something unnatural.

Why do you want to do it?

The only advice I have for breathing is...



don't stop! :D

but what is it exactly? :confused:

[daftyman]

on a very basic level:

normal breathing - when you breath in your belly expands, when you breath out it contracts.

reverse breathing - the opposite if the above. it squashes and massages your organs more.

believed by some to be a short cut to developing chi. believed by others to be a short cut to the hospital.

not to be confused with that other type of reverse breathing, where you breath out at the 'other end'! ;)

[TkdWarrior]

Reverse breathing if done incorrectly could lead to problems arising. You are trying to get your body to do something unnatural.
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he's right...
some problems might be like High Blood pressure(make that really high)...,headaches.. Depression,

How do you practice it?
how do you do it?
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sorry talk to proffesinoal on this

What is the prupose of it?
basically health, it cleanse ur internal system, charge up ur liver,kidneys... etc etc
can be done for tackling High BP, breath problems... sinus..

any tips on it?
go n talk to proffessional

um do you do it why doing your forms or just standing nei gong/chi gong?
as Pranayama

Do you use it to increase the power of your fa jing?
No
Do you do it why'll meditating
No
-TkdWarrior-

[INTERNAL BOXING]

Whats with all the ask a professional, I train with a professional if all your going to say is ask a professional.You might as well not even post I was trying to start a discussion on reverse breathing and what techniques others use. You seem to be afraid that were all gonna die if you tell how to practice it online.

[daftyman]

You didn't say you were practicing with a professional in your original post. :)

I don't practice it and don't feel any need to go out and learn it.
Not going to tell anyone how to do it as I don't know, apart from what I've read in books.

[Shadowdh]

Any one else practice reverse breathing?

How do you practice it?
how do you do it?
What is the prupose of it?
any tips on it?
um do you do it why doing your forms or just standing nei gong/chi gong?
Do you use it to increase the power of your fa jing?
Do you do it why'll meditating?

and anything else you can think of about reverse breathing im looking for as much information on it as possible.

thanks guy/gals

Yes I do... but not all the time...

usually while meditating as I find this helps attain more focus for me...
as VR described...

Depends who you talk to and what you read... I have read that it helps with qi cultivation and distribution but also that it helps with issuing power in a strike or kick etc...

Just keep the torso straight and breath...

It occurs in my forms when I (attempt to) issue fajing or similar... but I dont do it conciously in my forms, sometimes I will do it when doing Zhan Zhuang work...

Yes and to answer the last yes...

as for more info there are some good books out there with sections on reverse breathing... Yang Jwing Ming has a couple (with one all about breathing) and there is a part of Jou, Tsung Hwa's book on it called The Dao of Taijiquan...

[Shadowdh]

Just a quickie... why does everyone say it can be dangerous and what dangers are there and what causes these things that can be attributed to reverse breathing...

[daftyman]

I think its like people who practice kundalini yoga and go a little loopy as they are not able to handle the increased energy in their body. People get so greedy that they fail to realise their limits of endurance. That's probably why you need supervision, so that the instructor can make sure you do not over do it.

This assumes a belief in a chi-like substance.

Just guessing really, but it makes sense to me. Not sure if there is a physical downside to it.

[Shadowdh]

Thanks VR... That was along the lines of my thoughts too.. more psycho-somatic that actually physical...

[pseudo999]

Yes, physical. Your innards get squished the wrong way if you force it. I should find some decent medical articles to point to.

[TkdWarrior]

Whats with all the ask a professional, I train with a professional if all your going to say is ask a professional.You might as well not even post I was trying to start a discussion on reverse breathing and what techniques others use. You seem to be afraid that were all gonna die if you tell how to practice it online.

hold on there tiger...
people do these things... they read somewhere and start doing things.. if you are learning with proffessional.. good... otherwise NOT.

You don't die... you just get un healthy...
which from my point of view is not the purpose of breathing...

I've taught or better said changed people's breathing pattern when they got it wrong from some books...
like I said in some ohter thread... it's should be relaxed... don't force it..

Just a quickie... why does everyone say it can be dangerous and what dangers are there and what causes these things that can be attributed to reverse breathing...
I've noticed... blood pressure changes, asthmic type of problem... but these people were totally out of the course on breathing line...
and the results takes place in less than a week when given proper instruction..

People get so greedy that they fail to realise their limits of endurance. That's probably why you need supervision, so that the instructor can make sure you do not over do it.

Vampire rat is right... there are methods which talks about holding breath after every exhale/inhale. It's called Kumbhaka... Internal Kumbhak which is placed after inhaling.. and External Kumbhak which is placed after exhalation..

there's a method to do that... and if you are a wee bit unhealthy.. you are not supposed to do those... otherwsie it will have adverse effects.
-TkdWarrior-

[serious harm]

It is an essential part of Taijiquan training. You can train it all the time in Taiji training, even during the form. BUt even my teacher who is the Chen Zhou Kui lineage holder for Canada, does not practice it throughout the form.

Mainly we start out with an exercise called 100 days chi kung. You turn the waist to the side, front leg becomes substantial as shift into the back leg. As you do that the abdomen, front, back, and sides all draw in. THere's a saying in Taijiquan, something opens, everything opens fully, something close, everything fully close. As you shift weight forward the back leg becomes substantial and you as you breathe out, the front, back, and sides of abdomen expand out and sink down. We do this with double ahands spiral pushing, and with a single hand palm changing method, where as you turn to the side, the elbow comes out first, and then a palm strike. THen we do hennn, Ha! breathing with double cannon fist striking, And we do lighter hen ha breathing where we cultivate the belt meridian. We also practice reverse breathing with Taiji ruler practice. ANd you can do it in standing meditation too. We don't do it throughout the form, but if you were really good you could.

[INTERNAL BOXING]

Thank you for a helful answer.