The trick is to keep breathing??

[JessyBlue]

Hey swordsmen,
I do have a question, more precisely: I´ve a problem.
When I fight with someone for training it often happenes that, after a short time, I get very nevous and start to get out of rythem. When this happenes, my concentration begins to faint and I´m getting hectical and uncontrolled.
I am not afraid or something it is just, that I think it is the breathing. It is kind of hard for me, to find and hold the right breathing technique.

Can somebody give me an advice how to train the correct breathing or does anyone know this problem??

[Freeform]

If your being forced off of your natural rythme then your going to be caught mid-breath or on an exhale when you have to defend yourself, if you can, dictate the pace of the fight.

If not, do a lot of CV training (hey, it works for me ;) ).

Colin

[ladyhawk]

Hello JessyBlue,

Here's a good resource site on breathing.

http://1st-spot.net/topic_breathing.html

[Greyghost]

funny how my breathing goes all to pieces when the amercan scary chick is about!!!!!

CV will help...but concentrating on your breathing rythm whilst sparring is benficial...remember ..purple is not a good colour for a face.!

[TkdWarrior]

Caution: there r Pranayama Articles too and they do described them, but i suggest u not to try anyone of them without a good teacher. u need to know wat time/season u can do some specific prayanama ie u don't do Ujjayi in summer or can't do sheetla in winter.

if u want to improve ur breathing
1 first learn to use ur lower abdomen(diaphagram) in order to learn

2 Breathe in thru nose, hold it there n breathe out from Mouth
time for all three process is same

then learn to breathe out from Nose

later u can do it with different time settings
for example

in the ratio of sec
Breathe in Hold inside breathe Out
1 : 2 : 2
then after some time u should increase ur time
1 : 2 : 4
etc etc...
then there is concept of holding ur breath outside... soooooo much details i just can't go here...
i suggest u should do only 1 and 2 types of breathing as i described
for first type at least take 2-3 months
for next u should practice for 6months to whole life
any information PM me.
-TkdWarrior-

[Cain]

Pranayama?

You did Yoga rite Tkd?

|Cain|

[TkdWarrior]

Yea cain
-TkdWarrior-

[JessyBlue]

Thank you a thousand times,
and a thousand more if it will work.
If I experience any further problems you might help me with I´ll refer to you.
I´ll try it out and I will let you know (sooner or later).

By the way: What exactly is CV (I´m from Germany, remember)

[Cooler]

CV training means Cardio Vascular training, which means to work you heart and lungs. :D

Cooler

[pesilat]

Originally posted by JessyBlue
Hey swordsmen,
I do have a question, more precisely: I´ve a problem.
When I fight with someone for training it often happenes that, after a short time, I get very nevous and start to get out of rythem. When this happenes, my concentration begins to faint and I´m getting hectical and uncontrolled.
I am not afraid or something it is just, that I think it is the breathing. It is kind of hard for me, to find and hold the right breathing technique.

Can somebody give me an advice how to train the correct breathing or does anyone know this problem??

There've already been some good tips posted, but here's my 2 cents.

Usually, in sparring (or otherwise), a big problem with breathing is relaxation. Even the most CV fit people can be out of breath in a couple of minutes if they don't relax.

When you tense up muscles that don't need to be tensed, you're spending energy that you don't need to spend. This wears you out faster which, in turn, affects your respiration.

So try focusing on relaxing. Relaxing everything that's not necessary. When you're in your "on guard" position, for instance, a common tendency is for people to hunch their shoulders. That's counterproductive (both for energy and for acceleration of strikes). Focus on keeping your shoulder relaxed.

The way that my instructor got me (and others) past this was through sparring. He sparred me until I thought I was going to puke or die ... and then he kept going. He pushed me right past my brain's control and into reflexive responses. My body realized (even if my brain didn't) that I had to breathe or pass out ... those were my only two options. And my body realized that in order to breathe, it needed to relax. So I relaxed and started breathing. After that "wall" was broken through, I found it a lot easier. Prior to that, I was only able to spar for a couple of minutes before I was wiped out. Now I can, literally, spar (and spar hard) for 10 minutes and barely be breathing hard at all. The longest I've went was about 30 minutes straight and was still not breathing very hard. My heart rate was up and I was breathing a little hard, but I wasn't panting and I wasn't near CV exhaustion.

Don't know if that'll help or not. But hopefully. Don't think about breathing ... you've been breathing your whole life. Think about proper relaxation and, at least in my experience and others I know, your breathing will take care of itself.

Mike

[johndoch]

Yep spot on mike, no matter how fit you are if you cant relax you will be knackered in no time at all.

[KickChick]

You can also try another breathing exercise (life breathing) I learned from scuba diving instruction that works well to control and conserve your breathing.
You begin by associating a word with your breathing.
On the inhale, say "oh" and on exhale say "ho". Simple as that.
Do this for up to five min., while concentrating on doing relaxed, full breathing.
It becomes programmed by associating words with your breathing. This forges a link between the conscious mind and the body. More than breath control, it leads to an awareness of how your lungs function.
It is just training through repetition and concentration. Remember the diaphragm can be exercised like any other muscle.

You learn this controlled breathing to save you while diving .... when you are struggling or when you are in danger of losing consciousness, it can give you back control.
If sprinting underwater and you overbreathe your regulator or just overheat, it can get you back in control.

[Jack]

Originally posted by Greyghost
remember ..purple is not a good colour for a face.!

*sniff*

The greens, blues, and yellows are quite pretty, though. Which is why I've asked people to refer to my black eye as a flower eye. :)

[JessyBlue]

One shouldn´t let all of the air out of your lungs and at the same time one must exhale longer than inhale ,Tdk?

[TkdWarrior]

One shouldn´t let all of the air out of your lungs and at the same time one must exhale longer than inhale ,Tdk?<<

well jessy,
in fighting breathing is something like breathin in swimming. if u take too much time on breathing in/out ur oppnt can hurt u if he hit on ur abdomen, in sparring it's like KickChick said "short burst of breathing" u also can try breathe in n then letting it out in lots of quick short burst

if u look into Pesilat advice too it's also a good way to learn about it... i had the same effect but it happened to me when i was running, i didn't colasped but my breathing becomes relax n i forgot about heavy breathing

while sparring
relax ur body n mind
use quick burst of breathe out
take breathe in when u r not engaged with oppnt. and dont try to conciously hold on to it... it'll only make u stiffen

as i already said(in ur PM) about breathing, it'll take some time...
-TkdWarrior-

[JessyBlue]

Ok,
well my English is kind of bad, though some of what í have written might be a little hard to understand, but I´ll try to sum up all important hints U gave me.

1 Relaxe and concentrate

2Change the breathing technique like Tdk told me

3practice to breath in the right rythem at least one month till I do it unconciously

Have I forgotten anything?

[TkdWarrior]

yup but the breathing techniques which i told earlier in my posts are supposed to be doing it in concious meditation or try to engage it in ur daily life style... only then u'll find it more useful.

anyways u havn't forgotten anything
BTW ur english looks fine enuff... i don't think anyone else had problems with ur English.
-TkdWarrior-

[KickChick]

... came across this article and thought I might post it here.
Breathing (http://www.shikon.com/articles/articles_glyn/stories/breathe.html)

The article also targets pesilat's suggestion:
Don't think about breathing ... you've been breathing your whole life.

[Cougar_v203]

ur engwish iz phine :D hahaha sike kidding no but seriously it is fine. Its my english that sucks. :D

[TkdWarrior]

Don't think about breathing ... you've been breathing your whole life.
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"Exactly, everyone does it, and they do not give it a second thought. The single most important action you can do, the very thing that keeps you alive, and, you don’t...even… give it…a…second…thought."

Nice article...
-TkdWarrior-