TooL! check it out!

[BoxBabaX]

Aight who in this forum likes TOOL?

I find them to be one of the greatest bands of all time,

my #1 favorite song has to be Reflection.

[YODA]

GojuKjoe will be along shortly :D

[Sever]

I'm quite into Tool. I've seen them a couple of times and saw Maynard with A Perfect Circle when they supported Nine Inch Nails.

[GojuKJoe]

GojuKjoe will be along shortly :D

You must be psychic or something, how on earth did you guess???

I've never been to a concert yet, but they are amazing. My favourite song is probably Latelarus, but it varies.

[YODA]

You must be psychic or something, how on earth did you guess???

It's a Jedi mind trick :D

[GojuKJoe]

It's a Jedi mind trick :D

I bet that comes in handy a lot

"You want to buy me that bottle of whiskey, because I am your friend"

"Yes, I want to buy you this whiskey, because you are my friend"

[YODA]

I bet that comes in handy a lot

"You want to buy me that bottle of whiskey, because I am your friend"

"Yes, I want to buy you this whiskey, because you are my friend"
*Whistles innocently :Angel:

[BoxBabaX]

hey hey, wheres the tool talk ^^?
:D :D

[GojuKJoe]

yeah, YODA, you took the thread off topic.....

BoxBabaX, which version of push it do you like best?

[BoxBabaX]

haha, :Angel:

LIVE VERSION! the one on salival :D, thats the best stuff right there.

dont get me wrong though, the album version on aenima is badass too ^^

what are ure fav songs?



o btw, i hope yoda didnt run away :p, i wanted to ask you something yoda.
Check ure boxing tips thread, i wrote a response on it, hopefully u can gimme some feedback ^^. Thanx :D

[Infrazael]

*sniff*

HOW COULD YOU FORGET ME YODA!!!

*sniff*

:rolleyes:

Yep, TooL, i think THE greatest band of all time, yep, my favorite song is Sober, yep, they're amazing, yep. . . . . . . . .

I'm getting SALIVAL!!!

[BoxBabaX]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU DONT HAVE YET!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
gogo get :D

its hard to get a hold of a copy of it nowadays (a REAL copy)
i hate the way they made them such limited stock. i guess they didnt realize that people would still be listening to there stuff.

i hear info about a new album coming out, next year? anyone know anything about this?

[GojuKJoe]

I haven't been able to find salival either. To answer your question, I'll name 5 songs that I'm listening to most at the moment, but I really can't pick a solid number, it varies too much.

Stinkfist, Push it, Latelarus, Ticks and Leeches and H. Wow, it was really hard to pick just those 5. I've known about the new album for a while now, but I've heard nothing of a release date, only that they're not going to release it for a few months yet. I can't wait. I also heard a rumour about a new dvd, from the Latelarus tour, but it's just speculation at the minute.

[BoxBabaX]

picking a favorite tool song is difficult indeed. Yeah ive been listening to Tool for a while now, so i actually bought a copy of Salival (with the DVD and all the goodies) when it came out, pretty awesome cd i must say. The live versions of the songs are badass, Push it live, part of me live, third eye live, You lied live, merkaba, no quarter, and the others, they are all awesome.

Reflection just happens to be my favorite song, even though i could say the same about all the tool songs, this one seems to win it for me.

[MerKaBa]

If you can't tell by my avatar and screename I'm a Tool freak, mainly because I share so many veiws with the band, but the amazing music has a lot to do with it also :D Though I loved Maynard's acting in the crappy B movies he's been in... they're so horrible they're GREAT!

My favorite song would have to be H. or the live version of Pushit on Salival. I think Salival is my favorite album, but all of them are amazing.


Anyway, I've been a huge Tool fan for a long time. I even did a report on Lacromology for my health teacher back in High School, and I can't wait for the new album... I had a link to a webcast about it... I'll see if I can dig it up for you guys it's hilarious!

[MerKaBa]

Here it is for those who haven't seen it yet, Tool Webcast Interview (http://www.toolband.com/webcast/).
Some of the old ones are funnier, but this one is about the new album. I'll see if I can dig up some of old maynard and Tool interviews... they're always classic :D


And that DVD you heard rumors about was supposed to be released Last February. I heard about it over a year ago, but there were complications of some kind... I also heard pretty recently that it will be released this winter instead, but I wouldn't get my hopes up :rolleyes:


Glad to see some fellow Tools here :)

[BoxBabaX]

hahahaha nice posts merkaba ^^ :D

ima check out that tool webcast interview :)

funny that you mention it actually.... I also wrote a paper on Tool, a 5 page "album review", i pretty much told the teacher that he needs to listen to TooL(the review was on the Lateralus album), and why hehe :D

Ok, from a lyrical aspect, (even though we all know Tool songs are unique, since different people can get different things from them) what do u guys thing is the best tool song, from a LYRICAL aspect~~

I realized this is probably why reflection is my favorite Tool song :p

Has anyone gone out of there way to explore the "gift" in lateralus, as maynard put it. There is something special about that album ;), im just curious if anyone knows about it, i wont say it yet- but i had a nice link explaining the whole thing if anyone is interested ^^, ima try and find the link, since it would probably do a better job than me. I kinda figured it out alone, but its pretty insane.

[MerKaBa]

Ok, from a lyrical aspect, (even though we all know Tool songs are unique, since different people can get different things from them) what do u guys thing is the best tool song, from a LYRICAL aspect~~


It would still be the same 2 songs fror me, H. and Live Pushit, but I also have to mention Lateralis.

H. for obvious reasons. Those lyrics relate to my life as no others do.

Pushit is one of the many Tool songs that can be about basically anything that you want it to be. It emits more of a feeling then a point. The lyrics are flawless.

Lateralis is the most complex song ever written in my opinion. Tool is quite simply Brilliant to have made this song the way they did. The beat and lyrics follow the Fibonachi Sequence (1,2,3,5,8,13,etc.). This is the sequence found everywhere in Nature and when charted will make a spiral (Golden/Fibonachi Spiral), you may know it from the movie "Pi". Anyway Apparently putting this sequence into vibrational patterns has some kind of physiological effect on us, see what I wrote down there V


Has anyone gone out of there way to explore the "gift" in lateralus, as maynard put it. There is something special about that album ;), im just curious if anyone knows about it, i wont say it yet- but i had a nice link explaining the whole thing if anyone is interested ^^, ima try and find the link, since it would probably do a better job than me. I kinda figured it out alone, but its pretty insane.


Well, I'm not sure if we're reffering to the same thing, but when Lateralus first came out and I was listentening to the song Lateralis I just started moving to the rythm with my body and all of my emotion like the song suggested, and then I started breathing really heavy and uncontrollably; literally the rythm took controll over me and I felt copius amounts of energy flowing through my body like a whirlwind. I literally was able to feel the rythm, step outside, and weep like a widow; it was glorious (It's something you really have to experience for yourself; it cannot be explained). I shared this experience with all of my friends and since then we've all had several experiences similar to that. As far as we know that is "Riding the Spiral", and I don't care if you guys think I'm a wacko, you should try it sometime ;) Though in order for it to work you can't just move your physical body to the rythm you must feel it with all your emotion and clear your mind.

[BoxBabaX]

It would still be the same 2 songs fror me, H. and Live Pushit, but I also have to mention Lateralis.

H. for obvious reasons. Those lyrics relate to my life as no others do.

Pushit is one of the many Tool songs that can be about basically anything that you want it to be. It emits more of a feeling then a point. The lyrics are flawless.

Lateralis is the most complex song ever written in my opinion. Tool is quite simply Brilliant to have made this song the way they did. The beat and lyrics follow the Fibonachi Sequence (1,2,3,5,8,13,etc.). This is the sequence found everywhere in Nature and when charted will make a spiral (Golden/Fibonachi Spiral), you may know it from the movie "Pi". Anyway Apparently putting this sequence into vibrational patterns has some kind of physiological effect on us, see what I wrote down there V




Well, I'm not sure if we're reffering to the same thing, but when Lateralus first came out and I was listentening to the song Lateralis I just started moving to the rythm with my body and all of my emotion like the song suggested, and then I started breathing really heavy and uncontrollably; literally the rythm took controll over me and I felt copius amounts of energy flowing through my body like a whirlwind. I literally was able to feel the rythm, step outside, and weep like a widow; it was glorious (It's something you really have to experience for yourself; it cannot be explained). I shared this experience with all of my friends and since then we've all had several experiences similar to that. As far as we know that is "Riding the Spiral", and I don't care if you guys think I'm a wacko, you should try it sometime ;) Though in order for it to work you can't just move your physical body to the rythm you must feel it with all your emotion and clear your mind.


Ive actually had a similar sort of experience with lateralus, very strange yet incredible feeling i get. I get something similar out of reflection, i just find it to be such a perfect song, the drumming and melody mixed with the lyrics. The fibbonaci sequence is kind of what i was refering to, see theres actually a diffrent order to the songs on the album as a whole, the key song in the album being lateralus which signals something through the lyrics, and schism sort of backs it up, refering to "puting the pieces together" since you kinda have to figure it out :p

but enough of my talk, i found the stuff on that link i was looking for, but not the actual link, ima try and find it cuz it has some nice reponses too, but here is the actually content :

"To me, Tool's Lateralus is the most amazing piece of music ever composed. I think Tool deliberately wanted to give their fans something truly amazing, but wanted them to find it on their own. "Recognize this as a holy gift..." At first, I thought that the song Lateralus was about tripping acid - discovering true color by seperating the body from the mind. At first listen, I imagined the bending envelope as an intense visual. After becoming more familiar with the track, however, I had reformed my interpretation to something broader: think deeper. Lateralus, perhaps because it is the album's "title track", serves as the central clue for a puzzle that a friend of mine had read about somewhere on the internet. "All I know is that there is a different order for the songs - something about two spirals. Oh yeah, and thirteen is in the middle." After scavenging through endless google search results, I gave up on finding more about this 'alternate order'. Intent to figure the album out, and very curious about the spirals - I put on the proverbial 'thinking cap'. I understood how the spirals could have a lot of significance, in that the album's title track offers the inspiring, "swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human..........And following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been. We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been." In my internet scavenging, I had read one review, written by a drummer, who mentioned that Danny Carey's drum beat formed a fibonacci sequence during the song Lateralus. A drummer myself, I decided to get out the graph paper and follow Danny. I can't play like he can, but at least I can hear everything he's doing, and thus was able to construct the drum tabulature. Sure enough, Danny repeats a Fibonacci sequence through the number 13: 1,1,2,3,5,8,13. After 13, he starts again with 1. Bringing in my Algebra 2 knowledge of the Fibonacci sequence, when the equation for the Fibonacci sequence (which I don't actually know) is graphed, it forms a sprial whose vertex depends on the number at which the sequence begins. Coincidence? I began to think not. I had already known of Danny's obsession with sacred geometry and am familiar with Bob Frissell's book, Nothing in This Book Is True, But It's Exactly How Things Are , so the significance of what I had stumbled upon had actually begun to settle in. This is where I just had to play with Lateralus. I had doodled a few spirals in the corners of my graph paper, and in doing so made the first important connection to Lateralus. I knew that if the tracks were in fact intended to be heard in a different order, "Parabol" and "Parabola" would have to go together. In drawing my spirals, I had begun with a vertex and 'spiraled' outwards. After writing the numbers 1 through 13 linearly, I could immediately see that Parabol and Parabola would have to be the middle of my spiral (in that 13 / 2 = 6.5). I drew a simple arrow between 6 and 7 and then pondered the next pair. At first, I actually drew a spiral connecting pairs of numbers whose sum equaled 13 (the number of songs on the album). This, however, left the last track in the same position and without anything to connect to. At this time, I had used my copy of Lateralus and Cool Edit Pro to take out the silences between tracks and put the songs in the following order: 6,7,5,8,4,9,3,10,2,11,1,12,13. The transition from Parabola into Schism blew my mind, as the plucks, probably dismissed by listeners as a drawn out rant of an ending, perfectly transition into the beginning of Schism. When you count out beats as the strings are plucked, Schism resumes with the same time signature and tempo - mirroring the progression of notes. The transition from Schism into Ticks & Leeches is equally intriguing. Schism ends with strong double-kick bass and tom smacks, and Ticks & Leeches begins with what many would call a 'tribal' drum beat. The beat at the very start of Ticks & Leeches is slightly different every subsequent time it is repeated - the measures are two beats longer. Yup - you guessed it - those two beats are ACTUALLY the last two beats of Schism. I can honestly say that I never understood the album's fourth track, Mantra until reordering the album's songs. What I had originally heard as whale calls now had begun to resemble the worst imaginable dry heaves - or a stylized choking. Fitting, seeing as how the last line in Ticks & Leeches is "I hope you choke." After this transition, none of those following it really seemed to make much sense. I certainly didn't like that Disposition and Reflection had been seperated - as they sound quite good when played sequentially on the album. This was the only real roadblock in my disciphering of the Holy Gift. Then I had remembered what my friend had told me - 13 was in the middle. At the time, probably just wanting to believe that there was more to this cd, I had equated this to the positioning of the song "Intermission" on the previous release, Ænema. For the song to be in the 'middle' of the album it would have to be the seventh track in sequence, here having six tracks on either side of it. So I inserted Faaip de Oiad after Lateralus, and almost peed my pants when I discovered that (ever-so-faintly) the fading tone of the last note of Lateralus could be heard in beginning of Faaip de Oiad, and how the distortion of the guitars at the tail end of Lateralus resembled, and later transitioned seamlessly into, the static at the beginning of Faaip de Oiad. The lyrics of Lateralus justify this break in the spiral, almost instructing: "spiral out, keep going, spiral out, keep going." I went back to Lateralus to find the next clue. In Danny Carey's amazingly competent Fibonacci sequence, he had stopped at 13 and gone back to 1. This is what I chose to do to finish the sequence. A second spiral was now constucted, and the order for the Holy Gift now became 6,7,5,8,4,9,13,1,12,2,11,3,10. Already many of you are probably fascinated at what I have revealed to you, but I can not even begin to tell you what this new order has opened up for me. The beauty of Lateralus is very, very fragile and has to be viewed with a very open mind. It can also be different when looked at from different points of view. Aside from the fact that the new order of the songs places them in an order where they flow together nicely - often ending and resuming on the same notes or within the same progression, and some times - in the case of Lateralus into Faaip de Oiad and The Grudge into Triad - even overlapping (though admittadly sound much better when actually electronically overlapped, this is kind of cheating. Consider this a hint, however, if you plan on doing this yourself), the two spirals help to tell a story that every Tool fan should hear. In the interest of not boring the only casually intrigued, I will try to keep this very brief. I would also recommend familiarizing yourselves with Frissell's book (yeah - the one I mentioned earlier). I consider Parabol and Parabola to be quite expository. Maynard wants us to know that no matter what happens, we must all know that this is not our only existance. Our very minds and the contents of our subconscious are intended to be immortal, and if we accept this into our lives (be it because of personal or religious reasons), it will be so. As such, pain is an illusion. At first, I called it "The Lateralus Prophecy" (for reasons you will soon understand), but I have since decided to call the 'reordered' version of Lateralus "The Holy Gift". As Maynard says, "Recognize this as a holy gift and celebrate this chance to be alive and breathing," I take the word "this" to mean much more than just his simple cautioning. Since Parabola is the second track of the Holy Gift, it can be considered at the beginning (esp. considering the context of it's duality with Parabol), and as such, I interpret Maynard's words as more than just clever lyrics in a song. They are a plead for his listeners to listen to everything he has to say and truly celebrate the chance of immortality offered throughout. I would be lying if I said that each song has a specific translation. On the contrary, Tool's music is designed to make you think, not say something specific. It must be treated like great literature - much is hidden contextually. I will elude to Geometric-Drumming's previous post, where he explains the time signatures of Schism: "It represents the title...it's arranged in 12/8 time which is SPLIT into 5/8 and 7/8 - which only really FITS as you PUT THE PIECES BACK TOGETHER." Where Geometric-Drumming claims Schism as his favorite Tool song, I have heard some fans say that it was a retched pick for the album's only single - but I think it was brilliant. Not to downplay the interpretations of those who have posted before me (in fact, I agree with much of what %BlueSoulRobot% has to say), but I think that to the casual listener who knows nothing of Tool, it can be a powerful invitation. Think about it - a lot of dingbats with MTV and a radio would walk around with the words "I know the pieces fit" in their heads. I wonder how many of them took the time to put the pieces back together to (re)discover what is trying to be communicated. I welcome any feedback. I would love to share interpretations of the songs via email - just too lengthy to post here. I would like to offer the following advice: DO NOT use MP3s to digitally reorder Lateralus. A lot of VERY IMPORTANT information is encoded on the actual cd. Ever notice how everyone who has lost or broken that cd has IMMEDIATELY gone out and bought a new copy? I know I have. It's because there are things encoded on the factory pressing of the cd that are lost in the mp3 compression process and any direct copy onto a cd-r. If you want to do it, do it right - I can't stress how important this is. Use the cda tracks as you put it together and maintain all audio fidelity using professional mixing software.
There's a Fibonacci in Maynard's lyrics, specifically the syllables:
black [1]
then [1]
white are [2]
all I see [3]
in my infancy [5]
red and yellow then came to be [8]
reaching out to me [5]
lets me see [3]
there is [2]
so [1]
much [1]
more and [2]
beckons me [3]
to look through to these [5]
infinite possibilities [8]
as below so above and beyond I imagine [13]
drawn outside the lines of reason [8]
push the envelope [5]
watch it bend [3]
I suppose it's not actually a true Fibonacci, since it does reverse itself.
the Fibonacci Sequence. It's basically a string of numbers that when you add a number to the number before it, you get the next number. Starting with the numbers 0 and 1. 0+1=1, so the set now looks like this; 0 1 1. You take the 1 and add the previous number (1) and you get 2. The sequence looks like this; 0 1 1 2. Now you take the 2 and add the previous number and get 3. Now you have 0 1 1 2 3. When you add the 3 and the 2 you get 5. 0 1 2 3 5. 5+3=8. 0 1 1 2 3 5 8. The process continues."

^^ pretty fascinating if u take the time to read it. :D

[Sever]

Flipping heck, that's some analysis! :)
From a lyrical standpoint, I think Tool are a great band. "Sober" probably had the most impact on me lyrically, maybe because it's one of their less esoteric tracks.

[BoxBabaX]

ya its some pretty spectacular stuff :D

[Infrazael]

Ok, from a lyrical aspect, (even though we all know Tool songs are unique, since different people can get different things from them) what do u guys thing is the best tool song, from a LYRICAL aspect~~

From a lyrical aspect, Lateralus. Mainly because of the depth and symbolism hiddent behind a wall of abstractness. . . .

God!!! I LOVE that track, it's not even depressing like alot of the early TooL songs, but rather full of hope, inspiration, courage, and insanity (in a good way).

The last two lines are perhaPs the most beautiful ones I've ever read from any lyrics. . . .

"Following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been, we'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been."

Probably the MOST noble lyrics I've heard anywhere put into two lines.

[GojuKJoe]

i've never tried to analyse tool lyrics at all, i just listen to the music for the amazing mood it puts me in

[BoxBabaX]

ah but goku, if u listen to the cd in its new order, the flow of songs is crazy, likes its just 1 long track. The only thing is u kinda need some editing software to take out the pauses, then it flows pretty beutifuly :)
6,7,5,8,4,9,13,1,12,2,11,3,10 in order. 10-11 already sounds flawless though :D .

[GojuKJoe]

but that order breaks up Disposition, Reflection and Triad, which were all written originally as one song.

[BoxBabaX]

10-11-12 yeah, but just try that sequence, ull be surprised with some of the other results. songs that just ended with beats and random "noise" link up to the next piece.

btw one of my favorite piece of lyrics in reflection:

So crucify the ego, before it's far too late
To leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical,
And you will come to find that we are all one mind
Capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.

:)

[GojuKJoe]

well, i'll give it a try, i'll see if i can get some editing software first so i can do it properly though.

[BoxBabaX]

From a lyrical aspect, Lateralus. Mainly because of the depth and symbolism hiddent behind a wall of abstractness. . . .

God!!! I LOVE that track, it's not even depressing like alot of the early TooL songs, but rather full of hope, inspiration, courage, and insanity (in a good way).

The last two lines are perhaPs the most beautiful ones I've ever read from any lyrics. . . .

"Following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been, we'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been."

Probably the MOST noble lyrics I've heard anywhere put into two lines.

man i remmmeber back in like 2001 i think it was, at the TooL concert here in san diego, when lateralus came on, we (the whole crowd) went insane haha. Awesome concert ^^

[MerKaBa]

Wow, thanx for that!!!

The reason I started to really like Tool so much is because I'm such a big fan of Sacred Geometry like Danny Carey. I have a Metatron's Cube Tattooed to my back :) I have read both of Bob Frissels books, "Nothing in this book is true, but it's exactly how things are" and his encore, "Something in this book is true". If you read them then you will understand where my Screen Name came from ;)


I never do too much research online but know I am 100% positive that I've found something really amazing that no one besides the people I've showed it too know about (and the band). I can't wait to try it with the songs in that order I'm sure it will be perfect! I was baffled at why It had to start with schism and then only the song the patient would be synchronized if I put the album on repeat!

If it works with this order you posted I will share it with you all, and I'm pretty sure it will work.

Anyway, Yes this is about the album being sychronized with a film, but no it's not just some stupid rumor like "The Dark Side of the Moon" and "The Wizard of Oz". The song schism is the exact same length as the first scene in this old film to the second, I timed it :). And the content of the film fits perfectly with the lyrics and mood. When the mood of the scene changes the tempo in Schism Changes, and the film is on what I believe the song is about, it's really undenieable if you listen to the lyrics. The same thing happens with "The Patient" on another scene, but I was baffled at why it would be just those scenes and those songs. I think with this new order they will all fit :D

Edit- I thought Schism was #6, but that first scene is on part 2 of the movie... Ima do a little experimenting and get back to ya :)

If I still can't get it to work with the whole album I'll tell those who wish to know anyway so you can check it out for yourself. I've kept this to myself (except for friends) since the album first came out, but I suppose there are many other people that are interested to check it out and can appreciate it as much as I do.

[BoxBabaX]

go merkaba ! :)

im glad my "little" post helped lol. Now hurry up and tell me if this "thing" works! :D

[Infrazael]

Hey Box, we should submit that article to a magazine or something.

Anyways. . . . what movie are you talking about MerKaBa???

[Slindsay]

GojuKJoe: IF you live around Newcastle and like that sort of thing does this mean youve ever been to Crash or Lucky13's or any rock nights like that?

[MerKaBa]

Hey Box, we should submit that article to a magazine or something.

That's silly

Anyways. . . . what movie are you talking about MerKaBa???

Ok fine... I'll post it on the internet (Something I never wanted to do :rolleyes: )


Click Here (http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005NKT6.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)

I'm not sure about the DVD, but the VHS has 2 parts. The first scene in part one is about Nimrod and the fall of his empire at the Tower of Babel when he challenged God.

If you listen to the lyrics of Schism and read the Story of the Tower of Babel (http://www.ldolphin.org/babel.html) you'll realize that it is probably what inspired the lyrics. So I think it is no coincidence that the song is the exact same length as this scene, and that when the scene changes in mood the song changes flawlessly with it, and the lyrics and melody relate perfectly to what's happening in the film.

There was one other song that also seemed to fit if you put the album on repeat, but none of the others did... this made me think that maybe you had to play the songs in an alternate order for this film to be completely synchronized with the album. Unfortunately that alternate order posted didn't show any signifigant results.

The other song that seemed to fit was The Patient at the scene where Abraham is walking up the mountain to sacrafice his son, but this could be a coincidence even though it seems to fit very well both melodically and lyrically... I discovered this when the album first came out, and I was very eager uncover some of the benevolent mysteries I knew were hidden in this new masterpiece I had just unveiled, but I just watched the first scene with Schism again last night, and that is pretty undeniable... unless it's an amazing coincidence, either way it's worth checking out ;)

At first you'll be like "Yeah... this is pretty cool..." then about half way through it when Nimrod fires the Arrow at the heavens your jaw will drop at the way it fits so flawlessly, and then when they end at the exact same time your heart will skip a beat... if you're like me anyway.



Edit- 30 years from now when this is something every teenager here's about like the old "Pink Floyd- Wizard of Oz/Alice in Wonderland" sync thing you can say you were there when it was originally posted ion the internet, and I can say I was the first to post it... but no one will believe us :D

[GojuKJoe]

GojuKJoe: IF you live around Newcastle and like that sort of thing does this mean youve ever been to Crash or Lucky13's or any rock nights like that?

I used to go to crash when it was Cuba Cuba, but I've since gotten sick of it and have only been once since it turned into Crash. I go to Trillians usually when I go out.

[Infrazael]

Remember the song sequence for Lateralus? How they all flow together? The Fibonacci code and everything?

Well, one of my friends just made even more discoveries about the Album. Seems like Lateralus contains even more mysteries.

I would like to point out that the song ordering you have

6,7,5,8,4,9,3,10,2,11,1,12,13

is the same as if you start from 6 o'clock then the hour hand swings one hour forward to 7, then 2 hours back to 5, then 3 hours forward to 8, etc. This is interesting since it definitely brings to mind the image of a spiral which is "spiraling out".

We'll ride the spiral to the end, and may just go where no one's been.

Following the above sequence of tracks, you are riding the spiral of songs "to the end" (to track 13)

Another interesting thing about this particular song is how the idea of incorporating Fibonacci into the song fits perfectly with the actual theme of the song. The song is about life, enjoying all its immense beauty ("witness the beauty"), and how hopefully this song can help you arrive at peace and bliss by "spiraling out" from the beginning of the album (track 6) to the end of the album (track 13). The bass line also plays in a spiralesque manner, as does the tone of his voice during the entire song (his voice steadily rises, then drops sharply then rises again.)

As i said, the song is supposed to help you arrive at peace and bliss by riding the album's spiral of tracks to the end. When played in the correct order, they tell a beautiful tale over strength and overcoming, growing within oneself.

Parabol obviously tells of a beginning, of innocence. Not knowing who or what came before. Parabola is harder, introducing some chaos into the situation. Life is "spinning, weaving round each new experience"

In Schism, this great romance is destroyed. It was great, as he "knew the pieces fit" but destroyed because he "watched them fall away". Sulking in despair he blames only himself. He knows the path to rebuilding himself, which is communication, and "finding beauty in the dissonance"

In Ticks and Leeches, he begins the path to reconstruction, but first must rip himself apart in order to rebuild. "Suck me dry". Along with such mental and physical breakdown, he goes crazy. He hates the one who has destroyed him, for putting him through this. Sounds a bit like a "grudge" even.

In Lateralus, finally a new beginning. In fact, "Black then white are all I see in my infancy red and yellow then came to be" has to do the the Maori Aborigines from Australia who at first did art work only with black and white paints then later discovered how to make red and yellow, which they incorporated in their art. (Found this information on songfacts.com, credit to the original author). Aboriginese were the original civilized humans. He is truly starting over from the beginning. With his "feet upon the ground" he embraces the beauty of life and proceeds to reconstruct himself. That of course, makes him a patient.

He's saying it's hard, but he's coming to accept everything. He's gonna wait it out, and be patient. He has a desire to heal, for he states it clearly at the end of the song.

Disposition doesn't say much, but it gives a nice transition from the positive emotion of the previous two songs, and represents a slow gradual change to some more troubling situations ahead.

Eon Blue Apocalypse continues this trend into somber mood described by Reflection.

Unfortunately, I must go now I wish I could continue with the remaining songs but please feel free to email me at divisortheory@gmail.com

This is truly a brilliant album. A masterpiece.