Bruce Lee!

[Andy Murray]

Hi,

A lot of people kicked off in the arts because of someone who inspired them. Maybe Jackie Chan, Steven Seagal, Cynthia Rothrock, Angela Mao or even Parappa the Rapper.

In the sixties/seventies when Bruce Lee hit the scene, the media attention made everyone want to join the first Karate Club they could find.

The popular press mainly regurgitates all the more positive aspects of the Bruce Lee story, though there is always a flip side to the coin.

I will hopefully be posting some articles to get you going on the subject shortly!

I would be honoured, as would Bruce, if you would air your views here. I would ask only that you be respectful and objective.

Andy Murray

[jdog_01]

Hi Andy,
It is the absolute truth that the mass media was a driving force in inspiring many people to seek out the martial arts in all it's forms. Bruce Lee was my personal inspiration.

There is an inherant problem with this though. Movies and TV are fiction. When we see Bruce kick the crap out of 30 guys in an underground bunker all at the same time we are seeing the story line. The ultimate fact is that scenario is a complete fallacy. If you get jumped by 30 guys you will get your ass kicked really badly.

I think that while Bruce Lee's movies inspired a lot of people to seek out the martial arts...a lot of those people may have become disallusioned when they realized that it was a lot of work and it won't make you superman.

In addition I think that Bruce Lee's superhero legend actually does him a dis-service. People ignore his humanity. From what I can tell he was a pretty good person. But like all human person's he had his weaknesses. Your weaknesses make up half of who you are. When we ignore bruce lee's human failings...we create a person who never existed from half a person who did.

In my opinion Bruce Lee's greatest contribution to the martial arts was his audacity to question the status quo. We must also question his theories with the same vigor or we cop out and become the blind karate drones that he originally struggled against.

Was Bruce Lee some super unbeatable master? absolutely not. He was a talinted person with a magnetic personality. He had some youthful indescretions. He grew as a person over the course of his life and attempted to contribute positively to the martial arts and aid in incresing awareness and appreciation of the asian cultures. But first an foremost he was a man. Until the martial arts community(and the world in general) recognizes his weaknesses as well as his strengths...the myth will always overshadow the man...to the detriment of his actual impact.

My humble opinion.

[Andy Murray]

Thanks Jdog,

Fair and to the point!

It is always nicer to believe the mythology surrounding our heroes. There are also those that like to maintain a more balanced perspective. The link below should take you to an article related to this. Bear in mind that it is someones opinion, and they are as entitled to it, as you are to yours!

http://www.geocities.com/ghoyd/library/bruce_underestimated.htm

[jdog_01]

Interesting read. Thankyou.

[Andy Murray]

OK, those of you who are purist devotees of Bruce may not like the following link, but bear in mind, this is also someones opinion. We all value freedom of speech don't we?

http://www.myodynamics.com/articles/bruce.html

[jdog_01]

I though that was a very interesting analysis of Bruce Lee's physical condition. But I have to wonder weather the author was trying to answer the question "how well?" with the answer to "how much?"

The author goes to great lengths to deconstruct his atheletic capacity...and then insinuates a direct corrilation between pure athletic capacity and the ability to wage battle. I am not so convinced that the corrilation is necessarily 1:1

The other issue I have with the piece is the insinuation that Bruce may have had affairs. Maybe he did...and maybe he didn't. I don't know myself and can only rely on what others report. However I see little relevance once again to Bruce's potential to wage battle.

I am the first one to say that the super human myth is a detriment to both his actual contribution, and to understanding who he was as a person. But I am not sure the author demonstrated what he was trying to show.

Bruce never participated in tournaments or other forums of the MA establishment. but he had a number of public fights...the outcome of which is not to my knowlage disputed.

I am not challenging the Author's theory that Bruce Lee was not the legend that has grown up around his head stone...I am challenging his methods of reaching that conclusion.

[Andy Murray]

Talking briefly about Bruce's physical prowess ( alleged or otherwise ), Bruce was attributed to be experimenting with Vitamin Supplements, diet and weight training in an effort to fuel his super hero like abilities.

In some cases he is quoted as being a pioneer. Instead of the Traditional training aids like wall bags and Maki Wara, he is said to have been inventing his own training materials, to push himself yet further.

We can all look back on it, and say yeah well I know better than that now, but at the time there was less knowledge going about.

'My Burning Question?

Is, what do you all think Bruce would be saying about the MA scene as it is now ( Imagine he joined this forum )?

Over to you..........................

[Andy Murray]

Ok, this is just a link to an article which explains itself really. Hope you find it interesting.


http://www.martialdirect.com/articles/bruceleept1.htm

Andy

[Tseek Choi]

I feel that even though Bruce Lee had a strong dislike of what he called the "Classical mess", he would be horrified to see the proliferation of freestyle/sport MA clubs, in the context of what that now means.
Surely his idea was to acheive the most efficient and direct way to defeat an opponent, not to reduce a martial art to a purely sporting concept.

If he could speak, maybe the line would now be "Non-classical mess".

This does not mean I don't like the sporting aspect, because it teaches many useful skills, but not to the exclusion of practical defensive technique.

Also if Bruce Lee came back now, you can almost imagine his face when he sees what has happened to his concept of Jeet Kune Do.
With many diffferent groups claiming to teach "his original style".
He's probably laugh, then slap these people around a bit!

TC............

[pesilat]

Originally posted by Andy Murray
OK, those of you who are purist devotees of Bruce may not like the following link, but bear in mind, this is also someones opinion. We all value freedom of speech don't we?

http://www.myodynamics.com/articles/bruce.html

I'm not sure I've ever heard someone say that Bruce was inordinately strong. I've heard he was amazingly quicky and *powerful* ... but powerful is not strong. Some of his striking power would have come from his quickness. The rest came, as it does for us all, from body mechanics and getting as much of our mass behind the strike as possible. Combine even mediocre body mechanics with the acceleration that I've heard Bruce was capable of and you'll have power ... and I think Bruce's body mechanics were above mediocre.

So, I don't know that he was all that "strong" ... but that he had a lot of "functional strength" for his size and build ... and that a lot of it had to do with training.



Mike

[Andy Murray]

Speaking of Bruce's Size and build, how's this for perspective?

[Burple]

OOOoooooOOOh!,

jus cos sumwun is wittle duzznt meen dey kant foyt sumwuns bigga!

Burple

p.s. Bwuce Wee Wocksh

[Red5angel]

Its an interesting subject, I would like to share my thoughts on this if you guys dont mind?
Bruce Lee did good and bad things for the martial arts. The biggest boon to martial arts was his image. He brought them to the limelight, especially Chinese kungfu. He got people interested, got people out there doing it.
The bad side is that he is often misquoted and I believe mis understood. Bruces ego was big, and this is what I believe led him to take his own route from the classical mess, let me explain:

I believe the defining moment was his fight with Wong Jack Man. I know this is one big controversy but hear me out! Alot of the facts did not gel with Bruce, or his wives story. Supposedly Bruce Lee walked away from this fight having decided that although he WON, he didnt win fast enough and that it could be done better. His description, or atleast his wifes description of the fight and having to pull bruce off of a begging WJM is silly, both guys were fighters and had fought before this. The facts are that WJM was an acknowledged expert in his system, while Bruce hadnt yet finished his own.
What I think happened is this, Bruce, who was in better physical shape and had more fire in his belly, was able to fight WJM to a standstill. WJM wasnt interetsed in fighting once he figured out Bruce wanted to fight harder then just a little sparring. Bruce couldnt get past his defenses and WJM held him at a stalemate while Bruce lost his wind and his skill went out the window.

Dont get me wrong, I enjoy a good BL movie a smuch as the next person. I am not a fan of JKD because it seems to go against he very definition of what Bruce was supposed to have believed, and it was taken from a series of notes about combat methodology that still hadnt been refined. Bruces efforts to study Wing Chun were frustrated in many ways. He could have learned form someone but he wantd to learn from the best. He was denied this. What would you do in his case?

[ladyhawk]

Andy,
In relation to your karate style thread and your mentioned interest in the vertical fist, did you noticed that Bruce Lee uses the vertical punch?

[Andy Murray]

LadyHawk,

it's kind of the other way round. I believe Bruce Lee got the vertical fist thing from Wing Chun, which he is known to have trained to some degree with Yip Man. I was surprised in research to find it in your Isshin Ryu Karate style. Do any other Karate styles use the vertical fist to anyones knowledge?

[LilBunnyRabbit]

We use a technique called upwards punch, not sure if that's quite what you're discussing.

[ladyhawk]

I don't know where he got it from I just mentioned it because you expressed and interest in the vertical fist.

[ladyhawk]

ckd,
I posted two webpages on Andy's "Karate Styles" thread that explain the vertical fist.

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Ah, I see. That's the form of fist that we use in CKD, although the only time its positioned vertical rather then horizontal is in vertical round punch, with a slightly different target.

[Kosokun]

Originally posted by Red5angel
What I think happened is this, Bruce, who was in better physical shape and had more fire in his belly, was able to fight WJM to a standstill. WJM wasnt interetsed in fighting once he figured out Bruce wanted to fight harder then just a little sparring. Bruce couldnt get past his defenses and WJM held him at a stalemate while Bruce lost his wind and his skill went out the window.


This is what I've heard as well, from a variety of sources.

Also, the real tragedy of the story is the labeling of Sifu Wong as a racist. I know the man, he most certainly is not. The most popular myth surrounding the fight was that it came about because the Chinese Gung Fu community didn't want Bruce teaching the "round-eye". So, by implication, Wong was trying to prevent Bruce from teaching people, like me.

The sad irony is that my sifu, Wong Jack Man, is a kind and gentle man, despite his martial prowess. Many, many of my seniors in his class are Caucasian, Black, Hispanic (me) and of course, Asian. He's, as far as I know, always taught anyone who was sincere in learning what he has to teach. And, he even invited me to his daughter's wedding. Sifu is a good man, kind and considerate. It's painful to hear this preposterous tale about not teaching the round-eye promulgated.

Rob

[Red5angel]

LOL! Yeah, I saw Dragon:Bruce Lee story and just about walked out when that came up. I dont know WJM at all, never have even met the man, but after doing some serious thinking about it I came to those conclusions. Mrs. Lees story about the fight doesnt gel and smacks of puiblicity attempts!

[Silver_no2]

The fact is that eyewitnesses are notoriously poor when it comes to relating an event. It is impossible for them not to be. Anything you see is run through the filters that are in your mind. Where one person will see a parent slapping their child for mis-behaving another will see a child being abused. It all comes down to your own references, if you have no reference that you can use for a particular situation then it will mean nothing to you.

Add to this the fact that Mrs Lee is talking/thinking about an event that happened a while back and involves someone she loved with all her heart and it is understandable that the rose tinted glasses are on.

I personally do not know much about the whole Bruce Lee legend/myth/reality and haven't had time to read all the links that the legendary Andy Murray has put up. I am always wary about what people write about such a famous person. There tends to be a mix of idol worshippers and iconoclasts - trying to find a balanced point of view is hard.:D

[Red5angel]

Silver - I agree, you have to take it all with a grain of salt. Mr Lee seemed such a controversial subject in martial arts circles I decided to do some research and come up with my own opinions.

[Side-kick]

For what its worth any martial artists value to me / us is what can they *teach us* - how can we learn and grow from their teachings. On this benchmark Bruce Lee scores highly due to his writings and innovations.
Is win-loss ratio in fights is not *really* relevent? Even if he lost every fight but had a skill that was teachable for others then he still would be the greatest using that benchmark I used above. And thats all that can effect us now in 2002. We can't live in the 60s and 70s mythological era of storys and histroical narratives for too long as it distracts us form 'our journey'.

[morphus]

I think the difficulty when it comes to writing about Bruce Lee is coming up with something fresh. So some biographers look at nothing but the dark side and others the lighter heroic side(as the case of Elvis Presley and many others). The truth is there are mutiple facets to any personallity. We cannot look at every little detail on this forum, so i'll just say this - i had never seen bruce lee until i took up martial arts(i was 29yrs old), i was impressed by his martial arts skill from his films,when i began researching his backround i found a guy determined to succeed in everything he did, this inspired me, when i read of his actual martial arts beliefs as opposed to his celluliod antics i realised the truth behind martial arts(that its really ugly out there on the streets and you can't really win a fight with flying,spinning hook kick, well not unless you re lucky)
So Bruce Lee has given ME a great deal to think about even 25 yrs after his death!

If Bruce Lee had lived, i wonder what else he could have given us?

[ladyhawk]

http://www.cheungswingchun.com/Articles/Article.Wimp.html

[Red5angel]

"In martial arts, no one has more exposure than I do. But martial arts is a very small community."

----- W. Cheung

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight..............

[tuney30]

we wont be able to tell the full skill of bruce lee because we never saw him compete.but 1 things for sure for any other film star fighter do they do their own stunts, do they rely on camera tricks.not many do so this just shows how talented bruce was.
and could any1 let me know exactly how many arts bruce studied

[pesilat]

Originally posted by tuney30
we wont be able to tell the full skill of bruce lee because we never saw him compete.but 1 things for sure for any other film star fighter do they do their own stunts, do they rely on camera tricks.not many do so this just shows how talented bruce was.
and could any1 let me know exactly how many arts bruce studied

As far as I know, the only art he ever *formally* studied was Wing Chun. But he worked out with a lot of people who trained in various arts and he learned a lot of things from a lot of people. He did a lot of research and was exposed to *a lot* (no idea of a number) of various arts.

Mike

[wayofthedragon]

First of all, I'd like to say I like the pic from Game of Death. Bruce has tremendously shaped the martialarts world in almost every way imaginable. There is not a martialartist that Bruce had not inspired in someway or another. Donie Yen, Jackie Chan, "me:D " And various other big martial artist has been influence by him at some point in some way, weather it was to be like him, or to become better, insperation is insperation. He was a great, in the world of martialarts. However, the media did help boost him up there. Even though a great deal of Bruce's fame came from the media, I believe that martial arts would not be the same today without him. Not only him ofcourse, but hey, this is who this thread is about. Well, I'm sort of in a rush now, but I will be paying this thread a lot more visits with more info on this topic. I just wanted to express how I felt about it. Great thread!!!

[Cain]

Hmm....Andy most people seem to be misunderstanding Bruce Lee's art don't you see? Bruce never said Jeet Kune Do is 'the way' of fighting and there is nothing like 'the original Bruce Lee works' don't you guys see? All me meant was not to restrict yourself in combat and the sites you pointed assume Bruce Lee meant that Jeet Kune Do is 'the way'

I feel saddened that many don't understand what he meant even after 30 years after his death.
|Cain|

[Cain]

Umm....yoda is reading my post right now......ok I admit I don't know completely about it myself :D
|Cain|

[Shou Tu]

Originally posted by Tseek Choi
I feel that even though Bruce Lee had a strong dislike of what he called the "Classical mess", he would be horrified to see the proliferation of freestyle/sport MA clubs, in the context of what that now means.
Surely his idea was to acheive the most efficient and direct way to defeat an opponent, not to reduce a martial art to a purely sporting concept.

If he could speak, maybe the line would now be "Non-classical mess".

This does not mean I don't like the sporting aspect, because it teaches many useful skills, but not to the exclusion of practical defensive technique.

Also if Bruce Lee came back now, you can almost imagine his face when he sees what has happened to his concept of Jeet Kune Do.
With many diffferent groups claiming to teach "his original style".
He's probably laugh, then slap these people around a bit!

TC............



Classical mess is a good sum of the MA Communities today. I do not at any point mean to offend anyone. From when i was a kid some 25 yrs ago. i remember that there were very few styles, Kung Fu (Broad Spectrum) but mostly one type in one school, TKD, Kenpo, Kempo, Akido, Judo, Ninjitsu, JuJitsu. i will admit that Bruce Lee was the reason i looked to study martial arts. Bruce Lee derived Jeet Kune Do from several aspects of fighting not just MA's not the actual styles. he took the principles and the finer points he thought would compliment themselves and started teaching then as one.

I guess what i mean is that there are more incomplete arts being taught (because there was some reason why they didnt finish one before starting another) as total fighting arts becuase they were combined and the persons making the claims are not masters in any of them but claims to be the Grandmaster of the school. after awhile your cup runneth over and it all mixes together and becomes diluted. Effectiveness lost.

just my opinion.

Salute,

[Saz]

Originally posted by Andy Murray
I was surprised in research to find it in your Isshin Ryu Karate style. Do any other Karate styles use the vertical fist to anyones knowledge?

Its also used in the Kyokushinkai syllabus, known as Tate tski (spelling?) or vertical punch.

[kenshiro]

Excellent thread Andy (Keep it up)

well well... Bruce Lee

The myth that many people held of him has brought a lot of people to the field of martial arts, which is great. It is nice to remember the man as being super human and untouchable in his films.He brought so much to the martial arts and to be honest I don't think there is any country that has not heard and been touched by Bruce Lee either through his films or his teachings.

Now the big question is "If he was alive today would he really be number 1" Who knows I gather that everyone here and probably every martial artist worldwide would be thinking the same thing. Technology has moved on from when Bruce was alive, strength power and speed can easily be measured now from back then. Due to experimentation with his fitness he injured himself and if alive today probably would have not because of the technology and the growth of awareness.

I am one of those devotee fans of the man but I can also take into account that he was not perfect and is "only human". No doubt that if it was not for him we probably would not be talking about martial arts on this forum. I see it like this though Bruce Lee was the greatest martial artist in his time, his generation but if alive today who knows... he may of still been the greatest he may of not, we will simply never know.

What would he say about the condition of marial arts today? well he would probably smile and laugh. As for Bruce's concept of Jeet Kune Do. It is a shame that there are so many schools that have not taken into account of his actual teachings and claim that they are when they are not but that is how the world is today. I thought that Jeet Kune do was all about being able to express yourself and nobody else can express yourself but you.. or am I way off point?

Anyway I think it is fun to remember Bruce for being that super human martial artist, you cannot help but laugh but also smile at the many accomplishments that he had put forth.

[Matt_Bernius]

First off: great comments all around. Bruce Lee is one of those figures that are so big it's easy to lose your perspective in the subject. Here are a couple points to add to the discussion:

1. "Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story" should be seen a good story, but in no way an accurate or fair biography. To be generous it’s FULL of in-accuracies & tall tales. For example, the Tao of Jeet Kun Do was published after Lee's death (not during his recovery). And Lee never competed in a match as part of the California conference. He only outlined the raw beginning of Jeet Kun Do and demonstrated the one-inch punch (you can find footage of this pretty easily on Kazaa). If one was going to be less than kind about the movie, one could suggest there was an intentional effort on the part of Linda Lee to leave out key figures in Bruce's life like Dan Inasanto (who after Bruce's death had a falling out of sorts with Linda).
2. To second comments that people have already made, I think Bruce is one of the most misquoted (or perhaps misinterpreted) figures in modern martial arts. Quotes like “Take what is useful and ignore the rest� (I know I’m paraphrasing) have been latched on to without much thought and used to pick apart systems. I truly don’t believe that was his intent. And in fact any reading I’ve done about his research methods suggests that it wasn’t.
3. One thing to notice is that his movies are all packed with a lot of Martial theory. If you watch them he lays out a lot of the ideas of JKD and his fighting theory in what his characters say and more importantly what they do. Especially when you contrast them to the Shaw Brothers productions that were going on at the same time. That’s something that no one else was doing at the time. In fact Jet Li has taken a page from Bruce’s book and begun to incorporate a lot of Martial philosophy into his films (take “The One� where the unbalanced character uses Xing Yi while the balanced character uses “Ba Gua�).

[SSJ1_Katrina]

it would seem to be, from what i have seen (which i confess is not terribly much) about Bruce Lee has always emphasised the ideals of hard work, and idealism itself. from the few specials i have seen on his life i found it most inspiring, if he is able to inspire people to do positive and good things, i think any controversy surrounding the mans life is of little consequence. focusing on negatives doesn't get anyone anywhere, its nice to have a hero to inspire you, he may not have been superhuman but what he managed to do was great. for that he has my respect and admiration.

[TheSwordMaster]

i got a question

how would BL do in a fight against the martial artist of today like jackie chan and jet li?

[bcbernam777]

Bruce lee and the myth that surrounds him is merely a reflection of our own instilled need for us to reach our own potential. The fact of the matter is that Bruce was an outstanding martial artist, my sifu trained with him in HK, and admitted to me that Bruce's wing chun was very good, but then he also told me that bruce trained very hard. Yes there is a lot of myth surrounding Bruce, but overall he as an individual has been able to influence countless people to take up martial arts, thus ensuring the propegation and survival of MA, in a modern world. If people have come to MA in the impression that they will learn to kick the buts of 30 guys (not impossible but close) will find that their own ignorance will be lost as they progress in their Chosen MA. I think Bruce's contribution to MA should be respected, but also should be viewed in a balanced approach, especially amongst those who have chosen to make MA a priority in their lives, and in our passing down of our own skills, we should ensure that those we are teaching or even just have contact with, understand the realities of the dangers of fighting, and the realities of real world situations (this is why I am a big advocate of full contact sparring).

[Jayar]

I think many people are underestimating Bruce Lee. If Grandmasters Joe Lewis, Jhoon Rhee and Master Ed Parker see him as astounding then I can think of few more qualified sources. Jhoon Rhee learned much of his punching technique from Lee, and even went on to teach it to Muhammed Ali who attributed these techniques to his knockout of Richard Dunn.

One of the articles sited above mentions bruces running and wieght lifting workouts. However it only mentions small parts of the workouts. I am sure that if my pullups were extracted and examined as if they were the only back and bi exercise I do, then I would appear to be weaker than reputation as well.
As for squats, Joe Lewis cites long runs of 5 or more miles whith Lee. Running increases leg strength. Jhoon Rhee trained in kicking technique and throwing kicks against a heavy bag also increases leg strength. Just because he squatted light doesn't mean his legs were weak.

It doesn't make much sense for amatuer martial artists to bring down the accomplishment of Bruce Lee when experts see him as astounding. Jhoon Rhee, Ed Parker, Joe Lewis, Chuck Norris, Bill Wallace, and Jerry Beasley all treat Lee with admiration and respect. If the grandmasters see him as being so impressive it makes little sense for us to put him down.

Very good post bcbernam777.

[faster than you]

running for long distances enhances endurance, but hampers explosive and limit strength in the legs; thus, running is an inadequate exercise for improving one's max squat. sprinting rather than distance running will increase one's explosive strength.

[Jayar]

Running does enhance endurance, but it doesn't limit leg strength (I said nothing about max squat) if it is supplemented by other exercises, it can actually improve it if handled correctly. One of the things GM Lewis cites is extensive training on explosive side kicks with Bruce Lee.

[SSJ1_Katrina]

weighing up everything that has been said, i think that it is fair to say that Bruce Lee did far more good for MA than bad, which is great. everyone makes mistakes and we should learn from them, but perhaps there is not a lot of point in continuing to focus on them. to me Bruce Lee has been very inspiring, not because he fought 30 guys in some movie, that is a movie- it is for entertainment, but because of the phenomonal dedication, training, and effort he put into MA and how he tried to look at every area of training to enhance his overall level of fitness and skill. that is what is inspiring- to put in that extra effort, push yourself that bit further- continuously, not just when you feel like training. there seems to be a group of people dedicated to showing how human bruce lee was, yes he was, no one is denying that nor anything else, but hey why focus on the bad so much? you know its there, so move on. i say the glass is half full!
what would he think of MA today? who knows? like most of us, probably good and bad.
happy training everyone!
Katrina
:love:

[jonwade]

Bruce Lee really did help to popularise martial arts and open them to a western market. And he had an unorthodox (at the time, for his culture) method. He was certainly a legend and a great driving force. OK, things have moved on, but that is natural and healthy. He may not have known the best methods, or the best diets etc. (he almost permanently injured himself doing "good mornings" - a crazy exercise to do with heavy weight) but he was certainly a revolutionary in Chinese martial arts, that then spread to karate schools, tao kwon do etc.

Rock on Bruce.

[Dragon Brush]

Wow, it seems like this thread gets revived once a year or something. *cough*

I just bought a lovely Bruce Lee calendar yesterday to accent my dorm room wall, lol. I, personally, am a fan of his works. :cool:

[Patrick_baji]

i got a question

how would BL do in a fight against the martial artist of today like jackie chan and jet li?


I say he'd kick the crap out of chan and would likely smash jet li up too. don't get me wrong I love all three of these guys but chan is more of a stuntsman rather than fighter and the same could be said for Jet but he would have a higher depth of understand of the martial arts rather than jackie. Even so though Bruce's physique and martial arts knowledge is probably better than both of these 2 guys and would ultimately beat them.

[taekwonguy]

Bruce Lee is the best, (in my opinion) martial artist who has been in film!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqOIa1JVZg4

amazing tribute of all his best stuff! :D

[TheDarkJester]

Puhleeze.. everyone knows Chuck Norris would be waiting dressed up like a ninja from Sidekicks, wait till Jackie, Jet & Bruce wore themselves out kung fu fighting and then roundhouse kick their lily asses all over the floor.

Lets not get any delusions here. Chuck > Bruce, Jet & Jackie.

[Gong_Sau_Rick]

Puhleeze.. everyone knows Chuck Norris would be waiting dressed up like a ninja from Sidekicks, wait till Jackie, Jet & Bruce wore themselves out kung fu fighting and then roundhouse kick their lily asses all over the floor.

Lets not get any delusions here. Chuck > Bruce, Jet & Jackie.

Chuck Norris' calender goes from 31st of March straight to the 2nd of April... no one fools Chuck Norris. :D

[TheDarkJester]

Chuck Norris' calender goes from 31st of March straight to the 2nd of April... no one fools Chuck Norris. :D


Damn straight man.. At least someone around here knows what time it is... and it sure as hell isn't Miller Time.. :)

[Patrick_baji]

lmfao omfg not this chuck norris sh*t again

[Freud > God]

Bruce lee wuz probs one of the best but still i dnt think he wuz proven enuff against top martial artists other then the dudes he sparred nd that kung fu master hu he took out. Mas Oyama wuz probs the best, still Bruce lee wuz a legend nd his philosophy nd influence cnt b matched

[Yohan]

I appreciate your input to this thread, and to the forum in general. However, this is an english speaking forum, and it is against the terms of service to speak in "chattish."

4.2 Language:
MAP is an English speaking forum. Please take the time to post in plain, legible English.
4.2.1 This is not a mobile phone text service – you do not need to use abbreviations to reduce the length of your post. It makes it hard for ne1 not used 2 txt sp34k 2 read wot u r saying.

[Angelus]

HAHAHA ..yes follow the TOS please lol
:D:D

[Mei Hua]

Puhleeze.. everyone knows Chuck Norris would be waiting dressed up like a ninja from Sidekicks, wait till Jackie, Jet & Bruce wore themselves out kung fu fighting and then roundhouse kick their lily asses all over the floor.

Lets not get any delusions here. Chuck > Bruce, Jet & Jackie.

*Cough: Ah hem :Cough*


Y'all are so wrong, Ralph Machio, The Karate Kid himself could whoop chuck/bruce and jet all at once with the use of his paint the fence, wax on/off and stand on one leg techniques, and if that didn't work, Mr. Miagi would start playing that little clappy spinny bell thing and then Ralph would have 100000000000000000000000000000000000000 times the power/skill.

[beknar]

*Cough: Ah hem :Cough*


Y'all are so wrong, Ralph Machio, The Karate Kid himself could whoop chuck/bruce and jet all at once with the use of his paint the fence, wax on/off and stand on one leg techniques, and if that didn't work, Mr. Miagi would start playing that little clappy spinny bell thing and then Ralph would have 100000000000000000000000000000000000000 times the power/skill.

And he attended that Cobra Kai school. Serious roughneckery going on in there:

"Fear does not exist in this dojo, does it?"
"No, Sensei!"

[Mei Hua]

LOL true :D

[TheDarkJester]

*Cough: Ah hem :Cough*


Y'all are so wrong, Ralph Machio, The Karate Kid himself could whoop chuck/bruce and jet all at once with the use of his paint the fence, wax on/off and stand on one leg techniques, and if that didn't work, Mr. Miagi would start playing that little clappy spinny bell thing and then Ralph would have 100000000000000000000000000000000000000 times the power/skill.


Ralph Machio? Are you effing kidding me? I'd take wesley snipes before I picked Ralph Machio.. Hell I'd take David Spade before Ralph Machio.. didn't he OD on something or another?

[Mei Hua]

He od'd on whoop ass, such as he'd give welshley snipps.

[Angelus]

I'm not sure I've ever heard someone say that Bruce was inordinately strong. I've heard he was amazingly quicky and *powerful* ... but powerful is not strong. Some of his striking power would have come from his quickness. The rest came, as it does for us all, from body mechanics and getting as much of our mass behind the strike as possible. Combine even mediocre body mechanics with the acceleration that I've heard Bruce was capable of and you'll have power ... and I think Bruce's body mechanics were above mediocre.

So, I don't know that he was all that "strong" ... but that he had a lot of "functional strength" for his size and build ... and that a lot of it had to do with training.

Mike
o he was strong as hell :D
there are vids of him lifting upwards of 80lb dumbells -arms fully extended- to chest level, holding them, and then lowering them.

[Gong_Sau_Rick]

o he was strong as hell :D
there are vids of him lifting upwards of 80lb dumbells -arms fully extended- to chest level, holding them, and then lowering them.

And when he does his crane technique, no can defend.

[BlindClown]

I say he'd kick the crap out of chan and would likely smash jet li up too. don't get me wrong I love all three of these guys but chan is more of a stuntsman rather than fighter and the same could be said for Jet but he would have a higher depth of understand of the martial arts rather than jackie. Even so though Bruce's physique and martial arts knowledge is probably better than both of these 2 guys and would ultimately beat them.


I dont think he would smash up jet li

Jet li has alot of skill and MA knowledge but he BL is dead so this seems liek a pointless discussion :P

no doubt JC would get a good pasting though as he is more of a stuntman than a MA'ist .

[Tartovski]

Ok, too much coffee and not enough sleep. I read that last post as "JC" meaning "Jesus Christ"...
along that theme - Shiva would clearly win, due to all the additional arms :)

(Anyway, all this is talk is rubbish - we all know Vin Diesel would win: Everytime he masturbates, god kills a siberian snow tiger)

[Angelus]

And when he does his crane technique, no can defend.
i dont know much about his crane tech but im pretty sure everything is blockable at some point :D....lol
just what i saw in his home vids :D
i bought his JKD vid couple days back...its interesting... and i didnt even watch the whole thing since my friend -who just started doing the JKD stuff- wanted to see it :D:D

[Mei Hua]

(Anyway, all this is talk is rubbish - we all know Vin Diesel would win: Everytime he masturbates, god kills a siberian snow tiger)

ROTFLMAO :D


Hadn't heard that one yet :D

[Tartovski]

It's from the Vin Diesel Random Fact Generator:

http://www.4q.cc/vin/

I have waaaaay too much spare time.