Best SD training combo?

[masteryoursoul]

I was just curious what this forum thought was the best combo for training, can only vote two styles of training.


Opinions? I say Muay Thai and BJJ would work well because the quick powerful strikes of Muay Thai can be easily used to stun your opponent, or can be used in close up situations, while they are stunned you can drop them to the ground or damage their limbs and sockets with your BJJ training.

What do you guys think?

[JKD_forever]

If you are talking about pure self defense than i would choose JKD or Krav Maga over M.Thai anytime. Not that i underestimate M. Thai, far from it.

[Ikken Hisatsu]

for pure SD? track n field, along with knife fighting and regular visits to the pistol range.

[JKD_forever]

I think he ment excluding the fact that evryone has knife or a gun, and that you can't run your ass off from a situation. ;)

[CobraMaximus]

Krav Maga and Karate Bunkai
Krav maga is MADE for self defence and Karate Katas would teach you more about self defence on top of death blows and strikes et.c

[SoKKlab]

Krav Maga and Karate Bunkai
Krav maga is MADE for self defence and Karate Katas would teach you more about self defence on top of death blows and strikes et.c

This gets my nomination for funniest post.

Death Blows! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

You read to many Comic Books.

[gedhab]

katas teach you very little about self defence and more about patterns of movement and footwork.

[Matt_Bernius]

*snicker*... I mean play nice Sokklab!

If you are solely looking at self defense, I wouldn't suggest a traditional martial art. Instead a good reality based self defense program (I'm a big proponent of Tony Blauer's material) is a great place to start. A good program will teach basic boxing and grappling and then take you through ever possible scenario form of training.

Why is this a better idea in my mind? Because it specifically is looking at the issue of self defense and that alone. So it provides a good base to go from. If you want to get good at swimming learning water polo isn't the best way to go. You'll learn how to swim, but a lot of your time will be focused working on material that isn't geared towards swimming.

As for the second art, that depends a bit on the way the first class is set up. Are you getting enough conditioning and pressure based practice in there? If not, boxing or shootfighting are two great options. So are Judo or BJJ.

If you are getting a good level of coniditioning, I'd choose a weapons based art (probably of the Filipino variety) that will teach tactical responses to modern weapons.

Honestly, if the program isn't focused on the now and what you would most likely face, it wouldn't be a first option for a good self defense program.

- Matt

[CobraMaximus]

Kata Wancho, the DEFENSE KATA,
Keons, Semifreeze, all are about self defence

[Ikken Hisatsu]

i feel sorry for anyone who knows about self defense from kata :rolleyes:

how often in your katas does someone bumrush you and start to GnP?

[BackFistMonkey]

I was just curious what this forum thought was the best combo for training, can only vote two styles of training.



* ponders *

Hapkido is excelllent and is impressing me more and more the deeper I get into it . One of the first things that is stressed in Hapkido ( at the Dojang I go to anyways ) is PRACTICALITY . The tecniques we learn are meant for self defense not sport or show . Hapkido is not an easy art and requires alot of time and practice .
In the dojang I train at we learn striking/punching/kicking/throws/submission holds/wrist locks/armbars/weapons/tumbling/breakfalling/grappling/groundwork/and we are doing some CDT pressure point work. I CANNOT defend myself confidently using ONLY Hapkido I havent been there 9 months yet . I have picked up many new techniques that have been added to my "mental arsenal " but I would not depend on those alone those to save my life at this early point in my training . I am sure the story will change in another 7 months .

SO when its time to freestyle at the Dojang , defend myself on the street , or scrapping in the back yard with my mates I end up falling back on my Shaolin Kempo training for the fast strike combos , the sudden changes of tactics , and subtle tricks I have all ready mastered . Hapkido rears its pretty head more and more in these instances the more I train in it .

These are the two styles I USE for selfdefense ( Shaolin Kempo & Hapkido ) I recomend you use whatever YOU CAN !!! Whatever style(s) or method(s) you have practiced thousands of times should be what you use . Its the practice and muscle memory thats key along with how you were taught to apply it .

Or as stated earlier RUN LIKE HELL !

So untill next time Be well and Train Hard

BackFist Monkey

PS on a completely unrelated side note .... NEVER stick fight a good drummer who also trains Arnis Kali ......* rubs my knuckles and pouts * wait is full set drumming a style ? if so I am going with Drumming/Kali as a good self defense style that girl ripped me apart everytime we crossed sticks !!

[d33pthought]

I actually learned how to sprawl from one of my TKD instructors. Granted, we only did it that day, and I still suck, but it was a surprise to me at the time. :)

I'd nominate Hapkido and Judo for self defense, going only on what I've learned about each: joint locks, throws, sweeps...what's not good about all those? I even started learning a one-handed joint lock today. It's a tricky bugger, but it's pretty cool.

[diablo despacio]

western boxing !!!

[cxw]

Boxing or Muay Thai, plus BJJ, Judo or Wrestling

[diablo despacio]

spooky

[Knight_Errant]

Sparring with people on a regular basis, lifting weights and hitting the bag.

[Kogusoku]

Drills for awareness, confrontation, aggressiveness, situtational combat (i.e. ambushes, blindsiding, weapons negotiation, etc.) bag work drills, padwork, sparring and psychological preperation.

[Punchy]

I have been able to defend myself in the street and, based on that experience, I think the above posts say it all. Work hard!

[Developing]

Personally I don't believe there are two top things you can do for training because the martial arts is so advance and has so many components involved. Yes sparring is important but some people lack control and need to be given seperate drills to help them perform better in sparring. Some individuals have good control but lack conditioning so they need to go through that aspect to improve their training. As for the best style I think that depends on the individual, I mean there are definetly good combinations, I think a good boxer who has been taught how to avoid leg kicks and has some wrestling ability will be dangerous. But than again so would a proficient karate practitioner who has some sound boxing ability and some grappling experience. I like the posts who said to just train hard. That's the best way as I see it.

[Gortov]

I would have to go with one of the MMA systems in existence. Miletich Combat System is a good one and various others. I think the common denominator is definately BJJ + Boxing + Wrestling though in most of the good MMA houses. I know we are talking self defence but they are a decent example considering it's as close to real street fighting as you can get to study.

I watch way too many UFC, K1 and King of the Cage videos. While good entertainment I think they show some reality when it comes to real fighting. It is also good to see that a groin hit does NOT stop them from fighting. A lesson that many people need to learn.

[masteryoursoul]

I actually hear rumor that Royler Gracie broke his leg in a street fight when attacked by a drunk assailant. I don't know the source, I was referred this info by another board. Anyone heard anything of this? Is this a testament to unrealistic/unconstructive habits learned whilst fighting in the UFC?

[Gortov]

I actually hear rumor that Royler Gracie broke his leg in a street fight when attacked by a drunk assailant. I don't know the source, I was referred this info by another board. Anyone heard anything of this? Is this a testament to unrealistic/unconstructive habits learned whilst fighting in the UFC?

I haven't heard of this yet, doesn't mean it's not true of course. I don't think it lessens the usefulness of the MMA idea as a well rounded way to fight in real fights against real attackers though (guns and other weapons aside of course).

[gaz shaw]

TKD and Judo

[Gary Crawford]

As you can tell from all these posts,there are many possible answers.I say the best possible defense is awareness and common sense.Avoiding the kind of situations that often lead to violent confrontations.I can tell you one thing that will eliminate at least 50% of ugly confrontations-Eliminate offensive gestures!Especially the "F" finger!Now as far as learning how to defend yourself combat wise,several very usefull styles have all ready been mentioned.Myself,I have been training in JKD for the last five years for the freedom of it.By that,I mean that I can go out and train in any style I wish and keep only what I consider usefull.Some of the best self-defense things I have learned came from the win chun part of JKD.The block and counters as really effective,trapping works great once you get it into your head.The great thing about trapping is that it's the only thing that size doesn't make any difference.The little bit of Combat Hopkito I learned from John Pellegrini is effective.American Kenpo has tons of great ideas.BJJ training is an absolute must,most real fights go to the ground so you ought to know what to do when you get there.Modern Arnis is a great way to establish some really nice basics that apply to almost all weapons.The empty hands aspects of Modern Arnis work also.I think it's interesting how so many styles have many techniques in common.My best advice for street fighting? FIGHT DIRTY! Head butts to the nose,foot stomps to the top of the foot,fingers in the eyes.Q:What do you call a guy who fights fair? A: LOOSER!

[dark_blade15]

the only 2 styles i practiced were tkd and jujutsu so thats what ill have to use.(and whatever i learn at school :D)

[TheMightyMcClaw]

For self defense (as well as many other things), the style isn't anywhere as important as the teacher. To me, the best "acid test" for a martial artist is his (or her) background with fighting. For example, is he a bouncer/police officer/security guard, and thus is attacked as part of his regular job? Is he just really mean and gets into a lot of fights? Does he come from a completely lawless and war-torn nation? These are the types of things that would have field-tested his martial arts.
This is not to say that people who haven't been in such situations aren't going to be good instructors for self defense; however, if you want someone who you can rest assured knows valid self-defense techniques, find someone who has had to use them. At least, that's my two cents.

And as a side-note, karate kata bunkai really does have a lot of brutal applications when you look deep into it. What can I say? The Okinawans were thugs. :p

[Sonshu]

I was just curious what this forum thought was the best combo for training, can only vote two styles of training.


Opinions? I say Muay Thai and BJJ would work well because the quick powerful strikes of Muay Thai can be easily used to stun your opponent, or can be used in close up situations, while they are stunned you can drop them to the ground or damage their limbs and sockets with your BJJ training.

What do you guys think?

For me this is a tough one as there are key elements of my self defence training from traditional arts that I don't think are common place in either of these arts (from my own limited experience) for the physical side of the confrontation then

Boxing or MT

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Sombo, Judo, Wrestling, BJJ or any of these types

But I feel there are elements of the awareness that is not brough to bear in the main from these competative sports. Multiple oppononet work, the law and other parts that if I am honest my early days Ninjitsu skills are great for.

I would choose a RBSD system over the above but if I knew the softer human nature skills and awareness/verbal control skills then I would rate any combo of the above.

[tellner]

As long as you can hit, take a hit, avoid being hit, take someone down, avoid being taken down and deal with what happens when you're on the ground I can't see as how the name matters too much. Questions like "Can the teacher fight?" and "Can he teach other people how to fight?" are more important.

[ubermint]

Cover all three ranges: Free standing striking, clinching, ground grappling. Add weapons. Train athletically, spar hard.
End discussion.

[Nrv4evr]

Self-defense? A grappling art IS PARAMOUNT. It is better to dodge and grab a punch, then give one. The thing with grappling arts is, if you have proper technique, it will hurt, or at the very least, you can immobilize the opponent. Striking is good, but if your opponent is drunk or under the influence of drugs, he can probably take hard hits, and then ur in trouble. As well, grappling arts are more suited to more versatile environments. Best bet? Take a grappling art (I recommend highly BJJ or judo), and combine it with a tried and tested striking art (kyo karate, MT, boxing, or San Shou)