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Sweeet
08-Apr-2003, 10:55 AM
Common Students That Martial Arts Instructors See

1. Question Lad (aka. What-If?): This guy will bring up every possible permutation for every drill that is being worked. Solution: Make him uke.

2. Captain Slacker: Dogs the drills and sucks away the stunning dynamic experience that occurs during every class. ;-) Solution: Make him uke.

3. The Interpreter: Seems to believe that explanations must be altered to so that the masses can understand them. Even when the masses are already doing the drill. Solution: Make him uke.

4. The Whacker. Selflessly and altruistically strives to make each partner drill ultra-"realistic", for his partner's learning benefit. Leaves a wake of bruises, black eyes, and sprains behind him until he tries it on the wrong person. Solution: trade partners frequently, the right one will come along soon.

5. The Silver Spoon. Has a unique blind spot that prevents him from seeing anything that needs doing around the dojo. This blind spot is so wide that he can't see an entire dojo floor full of other students with rags cleaning up. Solution: hand him a rag. Or make him uke. Gis make great cleaning rags, with or without a person in them.

6. The Assistant Insructor. Possessed of a truly amazing learning curve, this specimen has absorbed enough knowledge in six months' study to be able to offer a flawless critique of others' practice. Undeterred by the presence of actual knowledge and experience. Solution: have him do heian shodan. As my sensei told me, "Nobody knows more about karate than a green belt. If you don't believe it, just ask him"

7. The Vince Lombardi Wannabe: Believes only that a good offense is the best defense. Constantly attacks training partners at full speed to demonstrate this philosophy, leaving confused and disgruntled students in his wake. Solution: He/she feeds the instructor next time.

8. The Whiner. Common source of "but that huuuuurts!" "I think I need to sit out for a moment," and "that's too hard!" during simple basic partner drills, including all light sparring. Solution: Take two Tylenol and put them back in. They'll either gain a little intestinal fortitude or they'll quit. (Note: the Tylenol is for YOU, not them.) (Note 2: I'm not talking real injury here----I mean the whimpering little whining that happens when someone gets an arm bar put on, so that the pressure on the arm "hurts my arm muscle." Things like that. People who simply canNOT get through an entire class without at least 2 brief class pauses while the instructor checks if the person is really hurt, or just whining yet _again_.) (And yes, I've got one of these. Arg.)

9. The Toughman. Can take ANY technique, and "tough it out" according to him (it is almost always a him) Pressure points don't work (according to him), locks are something he can handle (according to him), and getting thrown/landed on/smashed/crushed/mangled is something where he can "take the pain, suck it up, and shrug it off." No matter what. Solution: make him uke MORE.

10. The Cross-trainer. "White belt, you need to adjust your stance this way." "But sir, this is the way we did it in the last tkd/karate/aikido/judo/whatever class I was in. And I've noted you don't do [such and such] technique 'correctly' ---in my last class, the teacher said it was stupid to do it the way you do." Teacher: "Arg. Can I simply kill you now?" Solution: Manage to not show Little Grasshopper why you "do it that way," and simple explain that different classes do it different ways----and in THIS class, we do it MY way.

11. The Primal Male. Women simply canNOT do techniques that would be effective against this man because, after all, they are women. Smaller, weaker, etc... Solution: Have the smallest high ranking female in class use The Primal Male as demonstration person for joint locks and throws. In front of the new students. (This person is common in many college programs, BTW.)

12. The Mouth. Has the amazing ability to continue talking while you are standing in front of him stating that he should shut up. (If you're lucky, this only occurs in children's classes.) Solution: His partner gets 10 pushups everytime he opens his mouth.

13. The Clueless: He's constantly doing stuff wrong. Even the simplest explanations bring a glazed look to his eye as he continues to be unable to improve. Solution: Can't think of a single one.

14. The macho newbie: He's big, he's strong, and he knows it. Furthermore, there's no woman in the whole dojo that he couldn't knock out with his fabulous punch, and he's going to make sure that everyone knows it. Solution: Kick him in the groin. ;) (OK, so you can't really do that if you're the instructor, but you can tell the other students to do it!)

15. The macho old-timer: He's big, he's strong, and he's been doing this a long time. Ain't no one in the place that better *ever* beat him at a drill, or they will pay the consequences. Solution: Kick him in the groin (Hey, Don got to use solutions over! ;), and then quickly move on to the next partner.

16. The "in my previous dojo"'er: Need I say more? :) Solution: send him on to his next dojo.

17. Ninja Bob: is pretty sure that he is training to become a covert agent, and wants constant reassurance of the deadliness of his/her endeavors.

18. Every sifu's best friend: wants to be your 'best' student, but unfortunately can't deal with training in the group. It's not his fault really, but he's a kick ass private student at the no contact level. (you guys can call this "The Maurice" if you want)

19. Mr. Agreeable: Yes, he understands. Yes, the drill makes sense, sure. Sure, keep it slow, watch the contact. (smile, nod) Oh, like that, right. ...Proceeds (as soon as your back is turned) to, in dazed confusion, invent his own damn drill, thank you very much, fast, out of control, and not at all similar to the original.

20. Ms. I'm-tough-'cuz-I-do-karate. She likes to think she's tough, but anytime someone makes even a little bit of contact, she's going to complain to anyone that will listen. This is to be contrasted with the women who *are* there to train, and say nothing about the multiple bruises they take home every night from the macho-newbie and the macho-old-timer. Solution: Hit her really hard and tell her to stop being such a wuss when she complains. The phrase "It's karate/judo/etc., it's supposed to hurt a little bit" should be used often. Solution: every single time, without exception, pair Ms. Selfdefense with #4, The Whacker. This will necessitate her learning to "whack" back.

21. Ms. Self-Defense. She's read too many RMA threads, and truely believes that her intelligence will get her out of any struggle she may encounter. And if her intelligence doesn't work, then her legs will, because after all, women's legs are stronger than men's. Solution: Put her one on one with one of the smaller guys, and tell her to defend herself. 19 times out of 20, she'll find that her legs and her intelligence don't matter too awfully much. Every single time, without exception, pair Ms. I'm-tough-'cuz-I- do-karate with #9, the macho newbie. She will probably eventually get pissed off enough to WANT to let him have it.

22. The glass menagerie: think that they should be able to learn how to fight without ever falling down, getting bruised or otherwise experiencing physical discomfort. Never fully commits to a technique, holds back and typically ends up being one of the first people to experience an injury. (Usually from not committing to the movement properly) Solution: time...they either learn or leave.

23. The natural: has natural athletic ability which really does help him or her in the learning of MA. Is frequently lazy, however, since it doesn't seem that hard to learn. This person frequently gets bored and ends up leaving without fulfilling their potential. Solution: find something that challenges them (and make them uke?)




24. Eclectic Man. Has done thirty other arts for one class apiece. Is just killing time until he can create his own martial art and associated web site (whose address he will repeatedly post to RMA). Hopes to be inducted to the "World Martial Arts Hall of Fame" as "Supreme Grandmaster of the Year" before his 23rd birthday. Immediate response to any drill is "In Armenian Tae Kung Kara Aikikenpojujutsu, they do X instead". Thinks you are jealous because his uniform has more patches on it than yours does. Solution: Make him uke. Preferably for "the Whacker" ;-)

25. Satori Man. Has read every single book or article ever written on Zen and martial arts. Owns stock in Shambala. Has never actually done zazen. Quotes koans at every opportunity. Believes Morihei Ueshiba was God. Believes Morihei Ueshiba was a Buddhist. Is fond of expounding about how "X" is not a "real martial art" because it lacks a "spiritual component" Solution: Invite your friend Charlie, who has been teaching "X" for a couple of decades, to the dojo to teach a surprise special seminar...and thereby acquaint Satori Man with his own spiritual component by making him uke.

26. Variant 1 on Satori Man: all this and has never done any MA training. Solution: make him stop talking and practice. He'll go away. I recall one kid who rebelled at being forced to hold the shinai with a right-handed grip. He'd read Go Rin No Sho and according to him, Musashi didn't do it that way. He lasted 2 classes.

27. Jutsu Man. Flip side of "Satori Man". Believes he is the reincarnation of Miyamoto Musashi, John L. Sullivan, and Attila the Hun. Is dismissive of many "-do" forms because they "aren't practical" have "all that spirituality ********", or are "just sports". Believes women "can't fight for ****". Solution: Invite a small, female, godan in Judo to teach him the meaning of the term "kata guruma"...and make him uke.

28. The Ogler. The woman who is so busy oogling at the guys, she's not paying attention to what you're trying to teach her. In my experience, these are always beginners. One possible solution is to pair her up with a guy, ideally one of the guys she's oogling. That way, at least, I can go off and teach someone else or practice with someone who wants to train. Another solution is to throw her quickly and rather than help support the fall, let her weight drop completely. Doesn't leave quite the same bruises as punching, but can be pretty punishing all the same. Of course, *I* would never do this.

29. The Drifter: Comes to class once every couple of months. Is completely clueless about the material currently being studied, but wants to be promoted to the next belt. solution: Relocate the dojo every once in a while. (That’s what my Sensei does)

30. The Hasbeen: used to practice five or ten years ago, and has now returned. Thinks he knows just as much as the advanced students that studied with him then and haven't stopped. Tries very hard to prove he is just as good as them by using lots of force while doing the techniques. Solution: pair him up with one of said students.


I'm probably guilty of being 7, 9, 10, and 18...

You guys? :D

:Angel:

Jim
09-Apr-2003, 01:33 AM
I had a female student one who was 9 & 12. Lasted for 6 pain filled, boring, monotonous, time wasting months.

Mo Lung
09-Apr-2003, 02:37 AM
What's uke?

TkdWarrior
09-Apr-2003, 04:04 AM
uke refered to opponent/agressor...
-TkdWarrior-

gregoryS
09-Apr-2003, 05:41 AM
So, I'm having a bit of a problem with #20B: She actually is pretty tough, and works hard, and is good; the trouble is, she can't seem to lighten up on her partners.
She hits hard, and when one of the better students start hitting hard back, she becomes even more aggressive. She is going to run into #14 or number 23 sooner or later and get knocked out.
Any advice? (Hope I'm not hijacking the thread)

Saz
09-Apr-2003, 02:48 PM
Have you tried talking to her and telling her to ease up? If you have and she still ignores you, let her carry on and get knocked out.

Mo, the Uke is basically the student that gets whacked lots in technique demonstrations. I don't call it that in my style, but thats what I understand it as :)

KickChick
09-Apr-2003, 03:50 PM
I actually have had instances with a #28 (Oglers we have a few young female-type). Always giggling and laughing and saying "I can't do this....!".... while looking everywhere except paying attention to what you're trying to get across to them.

During a sparring drill wherein I was paired up with the "Ogler" (instead of a young male student)... I showed her just how dangerous it was not to pay attention to your partner when sparring. She managed to haphazardly "walk in" to one of my devasting sidekicks poor girl :D

Jim
10-Apr-2003, 02:58 AM
I thought an Uke was a type of crab...

Darzeka
12-Apr-2003, 05:27 AM
Uke = Crash test dummies.
for either instructor teaching or student practising. I'm not sure which is worse but both are better than training throws with my brother/training partner.

We are both a combo of 9, 19 + 23.
Both good at learning the new syllabus, both train almost to the point of destroying each other (laughing all the time both in pain and causing it) and its almost inevitable that our drills start nice, slow and controlled but then get fast messy and dangerous and we've never hurt each other (amazing from my point of veiw).

Mind Aflame
17-May-2004, 04:24 PM
I help to teach some of the the classes before mine, the under 13 green to brown belts is a class purely of #12.
I'm certain I have an allergy to preteen kyu grades

Tika
17-May-2004, 04:55 PM
My sensei used to use me as the "uke" but Im convinced it is just because he really liked to beat me up:), plus I was the only non-kid around his height (he was around 5'4"). I was guilty of being a giggler when I sparred with him. I really couldnt help it. I knew it was nearly impossible to hit him, and something in me snaps..... I just smile. I try really hard to spar well, but sometimes I just giggle. Then he laughed and kicks me in the head :D.

Roga
20-May-2004, 08:43 PM
Does #28 apply only females? because I (and I bet some other man) can get easily distracted by a chick doing MA.

Anyway I'm a bit of a #4 (Hey I don't like hitting woman), a bit of #28(when she was there), a full #9. I be uke willingly and have been thrown lots of times by fellow female judo goer. hehehe it is fun.

Koryo
21-May-2004, 03:35 PM
Does #28 apply only females? because I (and I bet some other man) can get easily distracted by a chick doing MA.

A hot girl bouncing round the ring in a low cut dobok could be considered the ultimate distraction.

shotokanwarrior
10-Nov-2004, 01:12 PM
Ms. Self-Defense. She's read too many RMA threads, and truely believes that her intelligence will get her out of any struggle she may encounter. And if her intelligence doesn't work, then her legs will, because after all, women's legs are stronger than men's.

*screams and writhes in insufferable torment*

These accursed idiots give the real feminists such a bad name

Furikuchan
12-Nov-2004, 04:37 AM
We've had all of them over the years! This is beautiful!
Ooh ooh ooh, which ones am I guilty of?
I used to be 6, 7, and 10, however, I can attest that those three methods really do cure the problem because I am not any of those any more...
I was never dumb (or gullible) enough to be 20 or 21...
I know an instructor that is guilty of 3, 5, 9, 11, 12, 15, 19, 28 (flip flop the genders), and 30! And I HAVE tried the prescribed solution of kicking him in the balls. It didn't take.

shotokanwarrior
12-Nov-2004, 12:04 PM
8. The Whiner. Common source of "but that huuuuurts!" "I think I need to sit out for a moment," and "that's too hard!" during simple basic partner drills, including all light sparring. Solution: Take two Tylenol and put them back in. They'll either gain a little intestinal fortitude or they'll quit. (Note: the Tylenol is for YOU, not them.) (Note 2: I'm not talking real injury here----I mean the whimpering little whining that happens when someone gets an arm bar put on, so that the pressure on the arm "hurts my arm muscle." Things like that. People who simply canNOT get through an entire class without at least 2 brief class pauses while the instructor checks if the person is really hurt, or just whining yet _again_.) (And yes, I've got one of these. Arg.)

There used to be a guy like that at my dojo, I ended up asking my sensei if I could refrain from fighting him because every time he would wail that I hit too hard. So much for male strength.

He also used to be a #29 before he gave up.

. The Whacker. Selflessly and altruistically strives to make each partner drill ultra-"realistic", for his partner's learning benefit. Leaves a wake of bruises, black eyes, and sprains behind him until he tries it on the wrong person. Solution: trade partners frequently, the right one will come along soon.

*nostalgia* I am familiar with this one, there's a guy my age at my dojo who fits this description. I love fighting him but unfortunately don't get to do it very often, I think it's because our sensei knows we will beat the crap out of each other. He is well known for using no control whatsoever and has caused (luckily minor) injuries before. On one occasion he and our sensei were demonstrating some moves and this guy slugged him in the solar plexus with a resounding 'smack' yes really. Sensei retaliated by sweeping his legs so he fell on his ass giving us all something to laugh at. The effect was unfortunately short-lived - he still uses no control.

13. The Clueless: He's constantly doing stuff wrong. Even the simplest explanations bring a glazed look to his eye as he continues to be unable to improve. Solution: Can't think of a single one.

My school suffers from one of these too, he's a huge fat guy about my age who has the approximate 'Zanshin' of a sea slug. He is the same guy I ranted about in the 'Who's the annoying guy?' thread. I have found that ramming him in the face during sparring is a good solution, it unfortunately doesn't last long though.

I'm not sure which one I'm guilty of. You could however add 'Loudest kiai'er' to the list...would that come under #18?

JTiedes
13-Nov-2004, 08:21 PM
im a 6 and a 18
but im a variant on 6 because im a purple belt but i really do assistant teach classes for all belts below me because my instructor requested that i come in twice a week to do so :D

mystererae
13-Nov-2004, 09:03 PM
This is genius. Let's see... I'm not much of an 8 (whiner), I'll say "ow" or mention if my hips (have problems with them) hurt, but I never sit out. I do tend to complain occasionally about my height because if I'm 4'11 and my partner's around 5'11, I can't always execute some techniques due to lack of reach.

I can be a 19 (mr, or rather ms. agreeable) at times, but my instructors and Sifu know me well enough to know that if I watch a drill or technique, smile nervously, and stay perfectly still and quiet, that I didn't get it and they have to show me again. I might possibly be a 20, but I actually don't really complain if I'm hit, bruised, or even bleeding - I tend to reassure them that it's alright, and it was an accident and such. I've sparred some very rough older male partners (something along the lines of Whackers and Primal Males threatened if they're not clearly winning).

In school I'm a 23, a natural, and I probably would be in the kwoon, but my instructors make sure I'm challenged and have to work to keep up, which is how I like it.

And, of course, I know all of these... but since I never work with white sashes anymore, I haven't come across macho newbies and primal males much.

Xue Fang
17-Nov-2004, 10:20 AM
1. Question Lad (aka. What-If?): This guy will bring up every possible permutation for every drill that is being worked. Solution: Make him uke.

18. Every sifu's best friend: wants to be your 'best' student, but unfortunately can't deal with training in the group. It's not his fault really, but he's a kick ass private student at the no contact level. (you guys can call this "The Maurice" if you want)

I think of all of them, Question Lad describes me best. :rolleyes: Except I don't ask about drills and I don't do it during the lesson. I ask about philosophy and gradings and I ask before the lesson. And I'm a hint of Every sifu's best friend too.


4. The Whacker. Selflessly and altruistically strives to make each partner drill ultra-"realistic", for his partner's learning benefit. Leaves a wake of bruises, black eyes, and sprains behind him until he tries it on the wrong person. Solution: trade partners frequently, the right one will come along soon.

17. Ninja Bob: is pretty sure that he is training to become a covert agent, and wants constant reassurance of the deadliness of his/her endeavors.

19. Mr. Agreeable: Yes, he understands. Yes, the drill makes sense, sure. Sure, keep it slow, watch the contact. (smile, nod) Oh, like that, right. ...Proceeds (as soon as your back is turned) to, in dazed confusion, invent his own damn drill, thank you very much, fast, out of control, and not at all similar to the original.

28. The Ogler. The woman who is so busy oogling at the guys, she's not paying attention to what you're trying to teach her. In my experience, these are always beginners. One possible solution is to pair her up with a guy, ideally one of the guys she's oogling. That way, at least, I can go off and teach someone else or practice with someone who wants to train. Another solution is to throw her quickly and rather than help support the fall, let her weight drop completely. Doesn't leave quite the same bruises as punching, but can be pretty punishing all the same. Of course, *I* would never do this.

29. The Drifter: Comes to class once every couple of months. Is completely clueless about the material currently being studied, but wants to be promoted to the next belt. solution: Relocate the dojo every once in a while. (That’s what my Sensei does)

Heh, they're all so true!!! We have one Whacker, one Ninja Bobette, a couple of Mr Agreeables, three/four Oglers, and we used to have a Drifter.

shotokanwarrior
20-Dec-2004, 01:51 PM
Can I ask you something...

21. Ms. Self-Defense. She's read too many RMA threads, and truely believes that her intelligence will get her out of any struggle she may encounter. And if her intelligence doesn't work, then her legs will, because after all, women's legs are stronger than men's. Solution: Put her one on one with one of the smaller guys, and tell her to defend herself. 19 times out of 20, she'll find that her legs and her intelligence don't matter too awfully much.

I've never heard of that before. Why is it harder to kick someone if they are smaller than you? Surely it is easier, not harder, you could just drop an axe kick on to the guy's head.