Discrete Punches??

[Punchy]

Normally I punch and bring my hand straight back to my guard before I punch again. Each punch is a discrete, separate movement. In fact I usually puch alternate hands so I can fully bring the punching hand back and so keep a good guard.

However when I want to do a combination with the same hand (e.g. left jab, left hook) I am tempted to bring back the hand only part way to my guard position before I start the second punch, so that I can get the second punch in sooner while my opponent is still partly distracted by having to defend against the first. I do this because I am concerned that if I bring it back fully then my opponent will have got back to his guard position and so remove the opening created by the first punch. Is this wise? What do you think? What do you do?

[rtkd-badger]

I do the same thing, I know there is not as much power but it is mainly to set the opponent up for hard right hook

[morphus]

You can still chamber the striking arm enough if you use the body as the chamber mechanism, so should get away with it if you do it right. Is this strictly for boxing?
Or are we talking self defence situ'?

[Yukimushu]

I personally have been taught to do the jab, then bring the jabbing hand back half way, then go for the hook. When going for the hook, its sometimes adviced to step the front foot to the side abit to avoid the chance of getting caught with a cross, or a counter jab.

[Punchy]

Hi Morphus,

What do you mean "chamber"? I have not heard the expression before in boxing.

It is for boxing but you could use the same in self defence.

Thanks for the advice Guys!!

[Yukimushu]

'Chamber' is the bringing of your arm back. You chamber the punch (Collapse your elbow and bring your fist back to its original guarding position) to fire it out again.

[Punchy]

Thanks for the explanation. Can you explain what Morpheus means by using your body to chamber?

Is it different for self-defence and boxing?

Sorry to be so dense. Thanks for the explanations!

[Yukimushu]

My interpetation of what Morpheus means is that you both chamber the puching arm, (bring it back to its original position, or close to its original postition considering we're talkin of a combination with the same arm), and also chamber the body.

When you punch, you twist your body to get maximum power into your punch. You then chamber your body by moving it back to its original position, ready to twist again on the next strike thrown. This i what i believe Morpheus means by the chambering of the body.

[Punchy]

That sounds fine. Although I have been taught it I have never heard it called chambering before, hence the uncertainty. I have heard it called 'loading' before (certainly the body twist bit). I guess the analogy is with a gun (loading/chambering).Does anyone know where the term 'chambering' comes from? Why is it used?

Once again, thanks for the help.

[ap Oweyn]

Probably the same source. After all, you "chamber" a round in a gun before firing.

[morphus]

I don't know where it originated but the term 'Chamber' is used in a few martial arts.
We (CKD) use this term almost every lesson, it is one of the keys to our techniques.
The chamber in our punching tech's is not created by pulling the arm back but by moving the body into a punch, the arm being secondary(a split second later) this creates a whipping motion similar to a ball and chain effect.

[ap Oweyn]

come to think of it, every term I've heard for that practice is related to guns. "Load", "chamber", and "c0ck" are are terms from handgunning. All things you need to do before an attack is fired. Makes sense.

[morphus]

Perhaps the terms actually come from martial arts & they've just been adopted by the gun toting fruit lunes?

[ap Oweyn]

Perhaps the terms actually come from martial arts & they've just been adopted by the gun toting fruit lunes?

Highly unlikely, to my mind. Though I don't have any evidence to back that up. It just seems to me that terms like "loading" have been in use in shooting far longer than in martial arts.


Stuart

[morphus]

Was a half joke................though gun toting lunes wasn't.

[ap Oweyn]

Was a half joke................though gun toting lunes wasn't.

Shh... It's all well and good you calling them "gun toting loons" from 3,000 miles away. But where I'm sitting, we have concealed weapon carrying permits. So I'm just going to smile and back away. :)