Best type of Martial Arts (No flame wars please!)

[Phi Nguyen]

OK, I just want to know your opinion on this. Which type of martials arts do you think is best AND WHY. Please post, but you must have something to support your opinion. I had a friend who say that JuJutSu (what is the correct way to spell this?) is the best. I take tae kwon do, and I know that Karate beats Tae Kwon do, and Tae kwon do beats JutJutSu, and Jujutsu beats karate. Any thoughts? Opinions? Feel free to post. :)

[YODA]

The best art is You-do

The way of the YOU :D

[Phi Nguyen]

what? Why are you talking like Yoda, Yoda? ;)

[Andy Murray]

LOL.

Welcome to the boards Phi Nguyen.

This has been discussed before here, but members never tire of it, so hold on tight.....here comes the flood!

[Phi Nguyen]

Ok, cool, I eagerly await the floods! :)

[Cain]

What are you talking about Yoda?

My style of the wandering slaying p*lvis dominates :D

I was not sure wether to censor the above line....better play safe ;)

|Cain|

[Bon]

MMA because it covers everything - boxing, kicking, grappling.

And some weapons work from arnis..

[Phi Nguyen]

I've hear of everything, but Not MMA. How is it? Is the training extensive? What does it stand for?

[hongkongfuey]

I agree with Yoda on this one. There is no one best art that works for everyone in every situation. What is important that you find a style that works for you.

Some people are better suited to wrestling, some boxing, some Karate. If you are small and light, then a fast style that attacks pressure points might be appropriate. A big guy might prefer wrestling or one of the harder Karate styles.

Also think about what you want out of your style - confidence, fitness, mental health - or do you want to be the ultimate street fighter?

[Bon]

MMA = Mixed Martial Arts

Generally incorporates BJJ, wrestling or some other form of ground grappling, plus boxing and thai kickboxing...

[mild7]

Man, every martial art is good. I don't quite understand why you say that a karate guy will beat a tkd guy, and a tkd guy will beat jujitsu, and that a jujitsu guy will beat the karateka all over again.


Depends on the guy doing the art.

Depends on the situation as well.



There is NO best martial art.

[TkdWarrior]

oh wow...
well i agree with Yoda on this...
basically most of good arts covers all the ranges but then they focus on their strengths like TkD for example is V good with kicks
but to make it complete a Tkdist should be able to fight in all ranges n dominate from where he knows fighting(from kicking)
-TkdWarrior-

[Phi Nguyen]

Man, every martial art is good. I don't quite understand why you say that a karate guy will beat a tkd guy, and a tkd guy will beat jujitsu, and that a jujitsu guy will beat the karateka all over again.


I can support what I just said. Basically, this is true, and one of the many reasons why Bruce Lee invented his own arts. Karate loses to JJS because the jabs will not beat the arm lock the JJS guy will pull. Tae kwon do will finish the JJS guy before he gets into close range to do some serious damage with those ankle locks, choke hold, sleepers...etc...now a karate guy will beat a TKD guy because the arm is much more flexible than the legs, thus, it's able to block, and deflect those kicks.

[YODA]

Tae kwon do will finish the JJS guy before he gets into close range to do some serious damage with those ankle locks, choke hold, sleepers...etc...

Bwaaaaahahahahahaahaaaaaaa.........

Man that's great - you almost had me there for a minute!

LOL!

[Cain]

I remember a post by Andy Murray, it explains these kind of comparisions perfectly -

Originally posted By Andy Murray

Once upon a time there were these Wing Chun guys (I don't know them, but I heard about it ok) who went to Thailand to fight Thai Boxers and they got their asses whupped. So I figured Thai Boxing is better than Wing Chun right?
Then I read a book about how Benny the Jet Urquidez went to Thailand with his American Karate kickboxing skills and took down the top Thai guys, so American Karate is better than Wing Chun and Thai Boxing too right?
Then I saw this video where an American Karate guy gets his arm broken by a Brazilian Ju Jitsu guy, so BJJ must be better than American Karate, Thai Boxing and Wing Chun!
None of this was down to the individual, cos after all, we are all made by the styles we practice aren't we? Might as well ignore everything these styles and Instructors have to say, because none of it works right? Better yet, I should get on the web, and tell everyone this, so they never even look at anything other than BJJ?
What's that? A BJJ guy just got his ass whupped by a Wing Chun guy? How could that happen?

Comparisions ain't as easy as it seems u see.....

why Bruce Lee invented his own arts

Yoda, where are you ?:D

|Cain|

[YODA]

I'm here dude.

It's more about the artist NOT the art!

Training method is also WAY more important than techical content.

"Art A" trained realistically against fully resisting opponents (i.e resisting at all ranges) will beat ANY art trained compliently.



:D

[Phi Nguyen]

Bwaaaaahahahahahaahaaaaaaa.........

Man that's great - you almost had me there for a minute!

Huh? Care to explain?

[TkdWarrior]

Bwaaaaahahahahahaahaaaaaaa.........

Man that's great - you almost had me there for a minute!

LOL!
ROFLMAO
come`on dude i m still laughing :D
-TkdWarrior-

[Phi Nguyen]

Ok, so there is no best art, who knew people would laugh if i say something wrong...

[TkdWarrior]

hey this is the nicest place around internet...ppl r still trying to be humble(Me NOOOOOOOOO) on other forums u would hav been ripped apart in pieces sayin things like that...
that's the one of worst piece of comment about arts...
normally i say...
don't ask if Art is good or not just find out if You are good Enuff for ur art or Not...
-TkdWarrior-

[TkdWarrior]

>>>>Karate loses to JJS because the jabs will not beat the arm lock the JJS guy will pull. Tae kwon do will finish the JJS guy before he gets into close range to do some serious damage with those ankle locks, choke hold, sleepers...etc...now a karate guy will beat a TKD guy because the arm is much more flexible than the legs, thus, it's able to block, and deflect those kicks.<<<<

ok i analyse this from my experience... in place of JJS guy i hav faught wrestler... and in place of karate i hav taken more of boxer dudes ... and me being a TKDist
so when i was inexperienced with fighting...
against boxer and wrestler i did the same mistake twice...
try to fight at their strenght not mine...
i found out boxers punches r too fast n wrestlers cover long distance with incredible speed n they can run over u now in fraction of second...
again both oppnts i was crushed in matter of seconds(may be 2-3 seconds)

against karate n judo guys i crushed them in seconds why ??
almost same reason above they tried to fight at my strength...
karate: he thought he need to use long range cuz he couldn't get close to me , he used n lost...
same with Judo:

then i studied art from both prespective and after studying i found that
~i m not fighting their style but my own
~now it runs into who hav best teachnique and who can pull that tech at right time
~weight doesn't matter(my wrestler freind is 30+kgs more than me)i can beat him

after those fights i took on some WC n other styles and i never had THAT much problem with any style of KF...

does that means TKD is better than wrestling/karate/judo/boxing
or boxing/wrestling is good untill person doesn't understand their style... NO...it's much depends on the person studying

-TkdWarrior-

[YODA]

Originally posted by Phi Nguyen
Ok, so there is no best art, who knew people would laugh if i say something wrong...



We laugh when you say something dumb

We laugh when you say something smart

Sometimes we just laugh for the fun of it LOL!

Yes - we laugh here. Get used to it :D

[TkdWarrior]

>>Yes - we laugh here. Get used to it <<

LOL i laugh because my teacher says Laughter makes u fair ;)
-TkdWarrior-

[Cain]

Sometimes we just laugh for the fun of it LOL!

LOL!

See? :D

|Cain|

[TkdWarrior]

Yea....:D
LMAO...
-TkdWarrior-

[Bon]

ROFL!

[Cooler]

What Yoda says is true we like to laugh on this forum we do not take ourselves to seriously for that leads to the dark side, this is not to say we do not take our art seriously or the topics we just like to have fun while we discuss the issues.

If you have an ego on this forum you will soon be brought down to earth.
Ok, so there is no best art, who knew people would laugh if i say something wrong...
Nobody is making fun of you Phi Nguyen or your post as Andy said
This has been discussed before here, but members never tire of it, so hold on tight.....here comes the flood!so don't take it personaly it is just how this forum works.

Cooler

[Andy Murray]

Originally posted by Phi Nguyen



I can support what I just said. Basically, this is true, and one of the many reasons why Bruce Lee invented his own arts. Karate loses to JJS because the jabs will not beat the arm lock the JJS guy will pull. Tae kwon do will finish the JJS guy before he gets into close range to do some serious damage with those ankle locks, choke hold, sleepers...etc...now a karate guy will beat a TKD guy because the arm is much more flexible than the legs, thus, it's able to block, and deflect those kicks.

Hi Phi,

OK, if we were pedantic, it would be easy to pull apart the above statement systematically, but I know you were just giving an example in support of the topic you posted.

We've been here before with this kind of thread as I've said, and most forums have a discussion along these lines going on.

It has value as a topic though, because no one has all the answers.

It is possible to stick with one art and make it work for any situation, but this is extremely difficult. Many people see a value in cross training to give themselves a broader knowledge base to draw on, but this doesn't necessarily make them superior. It's down to the individual at the end of the day, and how they interpret Kata/Sparring/Self-Defence/Reality training/Skill-Collection/Fitness Training to name but a few aspects.

What matters is what you think, and how you interpret what you choose to learn.

Of paramount importance is how hard you work, and how honestly you test yourself!

You picked a tough first post, but once you get a feel for the forum, you'll find that noone takes themselves too seriously here!

Take care,

Andy

[TkdWarrior]

hey chill mate ...
rest is as above wat ppl said ;) :D
-TkdWarrior-

[Mo Lung]

Haven't read the entire thread, bt thought I'd add my 2 cents.

The best martial art is the one that you love and that you can make work most effectively. It could be Ecky Thump, but if it works for you, then that's the best one.

:)

[Phi Nguyen]

Oh, then in case care, feel free to laugh some more. :)

[Mo Lung]

MWAAAHAAAHAAHAAHAAHAAAAAA!

:D

[TkdWarrior]

i know laughter is contagious... so :)
LMAO :D

-TkdWarrior-

[YODA]

HEY! Don't diss Ecky Thump!

Big flat cap - armed with a 10" black pud - uttering the legendary battle cry of "ey up" - truley an awesome athelete the thumpist is!

[Scotty Dog]

10" black pudding..........
you should be ashamed, there are children present :)

[YODA]

Originally posted by elhiggito
10" black pudding..........
you should be ashamed, there are children present :)

:Angel:

[hongkongfuey]

Bruce Lee invented his own arts

I've got 3 questions for Yoda on this one:

Is JKD and art, or is it an approach to training and of integrating other martial arts into one's repertoire?

If it is an approach, then can this approach itself classify as an art, albeit one that will vary according to the practitioner?

Does this make any sense? Feel free to laugh if it does not.

[Cougar_v203]

muahahahahaahhahahahaha...*shoots self in head in order to stop laughing:P*

[YODA]

Originally posted by hongkongfuey


I've got 3 questions for Yoda on this one:

Is JKD and art, or is it an approach to training and of integrating other martial arts into one's repertoire?

If it is an approach, then can this approach itself classify as an art, albeit one that will vary according to the practitioner?

Does this make any sense? Feel free to laugh if it does not.


Yes - JKD is an art. It is not, however, a style. :D

JKD is a process - which in itself qualifies as an art in my mind. It is the process of finding what works for YOU using Bruce Lee's concepts as a roadmap.

We had a pretty good discussion of what JKD is in this thread....

http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=165

[hongkongfuey]

Thanks Yoda, and enjoyed reading the thread, (although in it you do say that JKD is not an Art!)


It is the process of finding what works for YOU using Bruce Lee's concepts as a roadmap.


Does this therefore mean that JKD conforms to your principal of You Do and is therefore superior to arts that do not learn from other styles in your mind?

Do you not think that many styles would have started out as 'open thinking' and incorporate what they learn from other systems (how else can the art be developed in the first place)?

It is only as they are passed down through the ages that students start taking what they are told as gospel and the only way to train.

Anyone can copy the moves in a form or kata, but without the true understanding of the techniques, breathing and application they are just carrying out movements - not performing a martial art.

All it takes is one bad student to become an instructor and the art will be diluted through the new instructors own lack of understanding. To improve the art requires new teachers who will question the practicality of techniques, add new techniques from other styles and evolve the style.

If all styles are doing this, then there can be no best style - just an ever evolving environment where the best parts of martial arts are being combined in new ways all the time. If styles are not evolving then eventually they will become relics of the past with no relevance today. (in a fighting sense)

Evolve or die.

[Sonshu]

Not wanting to use an amercian wrestling phrase but if you have the mental discipline to really unload on someone - and in your mind you are a winner and fighter!

Then it aint really a hill gonna matter what style you do!

SONSHU

[YODA]

If all styles are doing this, then there can be no best style - just an ever evolving environment where the best parts of martial arts are being combined in new ways all the time. If styles are not evolving then eventually they will become relics of the past with no relevance today. (in a fighting sense)

Evolve or die.

Bravo!!!!!!!

:D

[Labatt]

"If you have an ego here, you will be brought back down to earth"

LMFAO I think we all have an ego here. That's part of the fun.

Like everyone said, the art dosn't matter, the only thing that matters is the artist.

Im so glad I found this forumn, I love this place. We're lucky to be enlightened more and more every day.

[hongkongfuey]

Like everyone said, the art dosn't matter, the only thing that matters is the artist.


So is the Martial Artists job to take what he learns from different styles and form his own personal art, or is it an instructors job to guide a student to find his own way?

For me, I suppose I have followed the first track (albeit to a limited extend), but I discovered this approach by chance. Whilst it is in a way better to discover your own path, many students do not even know the path exists.

I think it is the responsibility of a good instructor to encourage his students to learn from other styles once that student has learnt the fundamentals of his first style.

[pgm316]

I think both HKF

Most important is every MA's responsibility to find whats right for themself. I think a good instructor will encourage them to do this and not turn them into duplicate robots of theirself.