Injuries, Again.

[Freeform]

Just interested in the injuries that we carry when we're training. I like to keep training when I'm injuried but will avoid anything that will cause further harm.

I'm currently carrying a dodgy ankle which is almost back to 100%, and a niggled elbow (a 1 weeker heal I figure).

The elbow happened when I was walking a newbie through an armlock and throw with me as the dummy (literally!). He did everything I told him to do and then some! I had to wrench my arm out of his grip! (I shouldn't have been able to do that ;) )

Anyway, what are you currently carrying and how'd you get it?

Colin

[Cain]

A swollen ankle from elbow blocking, I get it at least twice a month... sort of like a tradition ;)

|Cain|

[YODA]

At the momen I have a badly bruised shin - seriously thinking of going to the docs as it's been over a week now and it's getting worse not better.

Dodgy right elbow from a combination of years of weapons training & too many armbars.

Left knee - weak MCl due to two tears in the last 3 years.

Right knee - fractured my kneecap a few years back - still gives me grief.

Apart from that I'm fully fit :D

[Freeform]

Its my right elbow thats sore aswell, I'd have thought that years of armbars would have toughend it up (or killed the nerves ;) ).

[YODA]

Nah - it's knackered :(

[Brad Ellin]

Torn medial meniscus, left knee. Years of soccer and working as a bouncer. Surgery scheduled in 3 weeks. It has put a hold on active training. Most days I need a cane to get around.

[YODA]

LOL!

I often carry a cane around too - a BIG rattan one LOL!

Good luck with the op bud!

[dredleviathan]

I feel left out almost as I don't have any really serious injuries. Certainly not had to go to the Docs and find out what exaclty is wrong.

My hips feel a bit dodgy at the moment and movement is slightly restricted / tight. This is most likely down to a really tough Thai sesssion I had on Sunday but to some extent I always carry this. I guess my hips just aren't that great.

My left shoulder seems to have a bit of a niggle at the moment when I move it in a certain way. I guess its a rotator cuff as everyone seems to have that kind of problem and it it doens't feel like the delts. I think this was caused one night whilst doing Hubad with someone who thought it was a test of strength (couldn't do Scrapper's workout for a week). It seems to be on the mend now though.

My right knee occassionally seizes when I run - usually at about 2.5 miles). No doubt this is a combination of my weight (currently 87kgs), the fact that I avoided running until about 18 months ago and that I have to run on conrete. I also probably need new trainers - my current ones (Asics) shouldn't really need replacing yet but I guess again my weight and the concrete have knackered them.

And finally the one that I have carried for some time is with my right ankle. Basically caused by an Italian guy that visited our school and did his best to rip my foot off even when I had tapped (he was fugure 4'ing it). I had to punch him off in the end and as a result couldn't grade the week after or train at all for a month. It doesn't seem to hurt so much as I'm aware that there is a weakness there.

Put it down to age I guess!

[Tosh]

Here's an anecdote about coming back too soon from injury and the damage it can do.

Last day of high school got ridiculously drunk and then proceded to challange the Phys Ed teachers to an all out game of BBall. After 30 mins I leaped like a veritable Salmon for a rebound, caught it, and was so surprised I forgot how to land!

Cue me going over so far on my ankle I heard a loud crack and when I looked down my foot was at 90 degrees to my leg and I was still standing................. not for long!

The pain was incredible! In my drunken haze I continued playing..... bad move! After the game I took my shoe off to see my ankle swell to about 300% it's original size.... no joke!

So after many bags of Captain birds eye finest I eventually went to the physio who said I'd torn ligaments...... hmmmmm Not good.

He said a period of rest followed by rehabilitation to get my ankle strength up would be the way to go. 4 weeks later, and after written every letter of the alphabet on my floor in the morning each day to encourage movement, I decided it was time to get back training.

So I thought a game of (British) football with friends would ease me back into it, nothing too strenous. Within the first 5 mins I recieved a pass and stood on the ball with my bad foot. When the defender came towards me I intednded to roll my foot of the ball and sprint off into the sunset.

Unfortunately, the ball had other ideas! As I rolled it the ball squirmed away thus throwing me off balance. As i wrestled with my balance I was sure to protect my weak ankle so my body took the best course of action...... going over the ankle on the opposite side........owwwwww....loud crack!

Doctor said I would have been better just to break it!

So now I'm left with about 80% movement in my left foot and a really loud click EVERY time I rotate it!!!

So in summary,

Restricted movement in ankle that will never get better.

Staved pinkie form BBall....god that game hates me!!!!

Can't really ball my fist too well. Boooooooo!

Also I've got this rash..........well that's enough of that eh?

:D

[pgm316]

I just have dodgy legs now, upper body is fine. Legs won't get better, just have to get used to them being dodgy. Both knees and right hip. And anckles aren't too clever, but what can you do ;)

Knees are worst, always feel weak and I've injured them too easily a few times over the last couple of years :(

Seems a problem with people I train will too, doubt its just coincidence!

[Saz]

I have the same problem pgm, i'm really trying hard with the physio for about 3 years, but its taking so long to make an improvement :( Martial arts is meant to really knacker out your joints

[johndoch]

The only chronic problem I have tends to be my right groin with high left side kicks. Its not a problem though as I believe high kicks are not that important from a self defence perspective. Other than that its just the usual bumps and bruises:)

[Brad Ellin]

Bamboo cane and hickory cane. Nice crooks on them. The hickory one has a bit of a point to it.
I also dislocated both shoulders in an accident many years ago. Occasionally they give me problems.

[Saz]

I tore a muscle in my chest lifting weights as well a few weeks ago, Its not gone, but i don't wanna stop training for a niggling pain, even if it is annoying as hell

[pgm316]

Think I'll get a cain (wheres the resident cain gone :D ?)

Yup, I don't think a lot of the kicking, stretching, stances and training do your knees any favours.

A lot of the people I train with have problems now!

I wonder how permanent the damage is, not good to have so many problems in my 20's :o

I have strengthened my legs with squats and weights, the lateral workouts feel like they do more benefit than the more cartilage crunching kung fu stuff! Whether it’ll help in the long term I don’t know.

[Brad Ellin]

Only thing about not stopping for a niggling pain, is that you can cause more damage. Exampple, my knees. If I had paid attention to the pain years ago, I might not be having surgery. If you tore a muscle, take it easy. See a doctor and do what he tells you. You don't want to have surgery for that.

[KickChick]

During a breaking class earlier this year I broke with a side elbow strike hitting the boards placed behind me (hard to explain set up)
I had always done my elbow strike breaks primarily with the forearm... driving the force of the forearm forward towards the board. ... butI thought I would try and do this speed break by doing a turning back elbow strike (as if striking to the jaw bone) and hitting with top portion of the arm and elbow.

Successful break but afterwards an incredible shooting pain down the length of my arm to my 4th and 5th finger. ARGHHHH .... the funny bone!! The "funny bone" is not a bone though.
If you straighten your right arm with palm facing upand feel the inside bone of your elbow.... that's the ulnar. The large, center bone of the elbow is the humerus. The channel that runs between them is called the medial condyle of the humerus. .... and there lies my injury to this day!
Intermittent pain now and then especially when hitting the bag.

[Saz]

This thread is reminding me of too many injuries I've got. I got into a fight when I was about 12, not long after I stopped M.A, and ended up getting my elbow deliberatly closed in a door hinge. Even now when I punch the joint feels like its really lose and clicky.. not nice

[Mo Lung]

Man, you people need to start working some internals, get the tendons strong and care for your bodies. Constant pounding now without some care will haunt you bad in later life.

[Fergie Boy]

Landed funny during a silat class and sprained my wrist about six weeks ago. Should I stop Kali for a while til this clears up?
Got a sprained ankle about 8 months ago on a step outside the gym and it keeps going every couple of weeks.

[dredleviathan]

Man, you people need to start working some internals

Such as?

[Slownsteady]

I don't feel so bad now ;)

earlier this year- broken toe
a few weeks ago, rolled ankle on same foot
toe coming along nicely, ankle playing games with me, but coming along slowly
years ago broken thumb- needed pinning- taught me a lesson to tuch in thumb when striking
Last Tuesday night- Black Eye- various bruises
Last night- more bruises (ahh the karate kisses....)

Must admit- its extra important to listen to the body. Its usually trying to tell you something really important.

Mick

[Fergie Boy]

If you were to go with my signature we all must be doing something wrong.

[Freeform]

I try to train around injuries Fergie. Tell your instructor whats wrong and that your not going to risk it if you do attend the class, anything that even feels vaguely dodgy STOP.

Does anybody else have the mad crack elbows and ankles? If you move them they crack but theres no pain. Whats that all about?

Colin

[Phi Nguyen]

The bad thing about me when I train is i push my body to the limit, pain or no pain. I guess I should stop that?

[Darzeka]

Unless the pain stops me from moving I usually won't pay it any attention.

Just getting back from popping both AC's in my shoulders in a month (did one then second night I was back proprely a throw did the other one). I stopped training for about two days and came back using the other arm and not doing throws. They still hurt a bit at the extents of motion and they have no real strength or power near those extremes.
On the upside I can grab both shoulder blades now (my hand slides underneath it) and I can get them to touch each other.
My shoulders were destroyed by about ten years of pace bowling in cricket and they both made grinding noises when I rolled then, now there is clunking and grinding. The inside end of my right collar bone (the one in the middle of your chest) moves around alot when I roll my arms around. And the outside ends now sit on top of my shoulder blades.

My right wrist clicks, snaps and cracks when I roll it but doesn't really hurt. Both wrists have a snag in them when I am carrying heavy things and try to move my wrists around.

I trained for a while with a pulled hammy (not real bad but a recurrence of a previous injury).

My left hip doesn't work sometimes and I can't my knee up to horizontal (did my last grading like this and had to do side thrust kicks - leg gets about stomache high, very painful with bad hip) this comes and goes but tends to come back around gradings.

I have a very bruised heel that hurts alot when I walk. This came about on a break using my foot and smashing my heel sideways into the mat. Can't break fall with this foot at the moment - just brings the bruise back - so My left hip is getting slammed and bruised too which makes it hard to walk when compensating for my heel.

I have trained for ages with a very sore big toe - sprained it i think - and I took ages for it to get better.
I trained after nearly snapping thumbs when trying and failing dumb block which I no longer do.
Sprained the inside of my left knee that wasn't too bad until a gimp of an instructor came from another dojo and demonstrated the "correct" and deadly way of doing the throw whilst trying to destroy my shoulders again and ended up making my knee worse.

Slammed my little toe joint on a hole in the mat on the same foot with the sore heel, making it even harder to walk.

A pretty much constant stream of hyper extended elbows (did them really badly a few years ago playing cricket - both sides. Plus though now they both about ten degrees past straight in a lock before I feel pressure).

Had my head rammed into the mat hard enough to make me dizzy and see bright lights at a grading then proceeded with the next attack and nearly wiped the guys face off.

Had shins bruised so badly I had trouble driving - was nearly painful epscially driving for a job. They also stung when touched, not nice.

Sometimes I start to run and my ankles feel as though they just stretch apart and don't hold together, once they warm it its okay but is quite disconcerting feeling like your feet will fall off.

MY wrists, elbows, neck, hips, knees, ankles, toes, shoulders and backbone all crack with out much pressure. Knees nearly everytime I crounch down.

There is pretty much always something wrong that I am not paying attention to.

[Mo Lung]

Originally posted by dredleviathan


Such as?

I'm referring to some form of qigong. Soft, extensive movements and breath to counter the hard aspect of training and exercise the joints and muscles gently, strengthen the tendons, etc. And of course, the breath work is invaluable for control, calmness and power generation.

Yin Yang and all that, ya knaa?

;)

[Freeform]

There is pretty much always something wrong that I am not paying attention to.


This is a pretty good way to wreck your body. You have to pay attention to all the little niggles of your body. You don't prove anything to anyone that you can carry on through the pain. Take it from someone who's been there, got the t-shirt and had the 12 months of physio to recover.

Colin

[Darzeka]

Its not that I don't pay attention to it. I know its there and I try to compensate but it doesn't stop me training and then after I'll try to fix it or let it heal.

[Freeform]

Sorry, the way I read your post made me think

In a gruff manly voice, reminisant of a caveman

'Me man no feel pain!'

I agree with ya. Train around injuries, don't agrivate them, if you do then stop.

Col

[sensei simon]

Just last night I injured my thumb going in for a punch, didnt hurt too much then but this morning *?/K it hurts, try doing your trousers up with the wrong hand. Problem is I am entering the GKR world champs tomorrow so dont want to get an xray just in case its bad news. I think its one of those times where playing on through might be worth it. If I come home with a medal it will be worth it. What do you think?

[Brad Ellin]

No. DOn't do it. Get it x-ray'd now. If it still hurts and pulling up your trusers is difficult, you may have broken it. Sounds exactly like what I did 11 years ago. A broken bone if not properly set can cause you much more pain and aggravation. And the problems it can and most likely will cause are not worth any medal. You can always compete again later, if you have your injuries taken care of now. If you don't, you may not be able to compete later. It may be nothing, then again, why take the chance? Ego? Not worth it.
Go. Now. Today.