Pro Wrestling WWE etc

[Tosh]

Okay so after hearing a comment in the forum elsewhere it got me thinking about peoples opinions on this.

Okay so we all know the Pro wrestling is all pre-planned or at least to some degree the final outcome is planned okay?

(Sorry for bursting any Santa bubbles out thier!! :D)

However do you think this makes these guys "FAKES"??


Or in general what was/is your favorite Pro wrestling memorie?

[Cain]

Geez! That's wat we need, two threads, check this out -

http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2248

|Cain|

[pgm316]

I've been a fan on and off over the years.

The result is fixed, but the matches are less choreographed than people think. There’s some planning before the match on how it will go, then it takes skill and communication during the match to make sure it goes ok.

WWF or WWE as its now called isn’t a martial art, but a lot of what they do is. Many of the wrestlers are black belts of some sort, others amateur wrestlers or a least trained by a wrestling school. Many of these “fighters” have records in real events that would put a lot of highly respected MA’s to shame.

I don’t consider the wrestlers to be fakes. What they do is real! Its true, they really manage to have an hour long fight, applying thousands of moves without doing much damage to each other. Does that sound familiar to many of us!? :D But to me, thats what requires the skill.

I believe they spend enough time training, practicing, performing and lifting weights (and probably steroids) to become good fighters. Maybe not to beat the likes of Frank Shamrock, but then again with there size, who knows ;)

[Tosh]

Originally posted by pgm316
Maybe not to beat the likes of Frank Shamrock, but then again with there size, who knows ;)

It's actually quite funny that WWE etc seem to be getting a lot of the UFC/Pride guys saying they are interested in WWE careers when they retire.

Look at Ken Shamrock and Dan Severn

[pgm316]

Originally posted by tosh_spice


It's actually quite funny that WWE etc seem to be getting a lot of the UFC/Pride guys saying they are interested in WWE careers when they retire.

Look at Ken Shamrock and Dan Severn

I remember Frank Shamrock saying he wouldn’t because he regards it as too risky :eek: Having to wrestle 2/3 times a week, the wear and tear on the body and having to trust the other fighter with your safety.

I remember Dan Severn having to retire from WWF after Owen Hart made a mistake and crushed Dans neck a bit, that was shorty before Owen was killed himself in an accident at a WWF show.

I always remember coming home from schools, years ago! to watch WWF, my mother would tell me how its all fake as she was sat there watching Coronation St, because, erm yeah thats real isn't it :D

No more fake than any Bruse Lee film either! :confused:

[Tosh]

Originally posted by pgm316


I remember Frank Shamrock saying he wouldn’t because he regards it as too risky :eek: Having to wrestle 2/3 times a week, the wear and tear on the body and having to trust the other fighter with your safety.:

Yeah I read that interview was it in MA Illustrated?

It's funny, WWE have some of thier top guys out right now due to neck injuries.

Kurt Angle need 3 verterbae fused
Edge needs two
Batista out with torn tricep

You know you live in a crazy world when one of the main fights at Wrestlmania is Hogan Vs. Vince Mcmahon !!! :D

[pgm316]

Originally posted by tosh_spice


Yeah I read that interview was it in MA Illustrated?

It's funny, WWE have some of thier top guys out right now due to neck injuries.

Kurt Angle need 3 verterbae fused
Edge needs two
Batista out with torn tricep

You know you live in a crazy world when one of the main fights at Wrestlmania is Hogan Vs. Vince Mcmahon !!! :D

I forget where I read it, possibly MA Illustrated.

With so many top guys out and a constant need for operations and stuff it does show they push themselves too hard. Nothing fake about the neck surgeries! :p

I prefered the old gritty WCW, although! Goldberg has said to have signed and will be making appearances soon. There’s apparently been a "Who's next!?" advert seen! The POWER is back! :)


http://www.accelerator3359.com/Wrestling/pictures/gallery1.jpg

Tell him he's fake cain, I dare you! :D

[LilBunnyRabbit]

I wouldn't call it fake exactly, no they're not deliberately trying to hurt each other, and the moves are designed to look impressive and avoid injuries to all involved, but they still take a lot of skill to throw off.

[Cain]

But it's not real!!!

WAAAAHHH!!!

|Cain|

[Tosh]

Originally posted by cain_charlie
But it's not real!!!

WAAAAHHH!!!

|Cain|


Define REAL please!!!


I still think falling on your back from 6-7 foot is still real whether it is in a wrestling ring or not.

I wouldn't do it even if you paid me!

[Cain]

Real shows, jumps etc yes

Real fights - no

Real punches - no,

Real hitting - no

Real choking - no

|Cain|

[Tosh]

Real fights Yes!


Although the point of the "fight" is to entertain rather than cause damage! ;)

[Cain]

I edited my post, look again

|Cain|

[Tosh]

Originally posted by cain_charlie
Real shows, jumps etc yes

Real fights - no

Real punches - no,

Real hitting - no

Real choking - no

|Cain|

Based on your definition of real as in 'REAL' means they are trying to inflict pain punishment or hit as hard as possible.

Everything's real cain its down to your definition.

I'm saying they do hit each other, although not full force.

[TkdWarrior]

hey i do get amazed by their ability to do soooo damn good jumps... i do like watching them... hell i play them too ;)
-TkdWarrior-

[pgm316]

Originally posted by cain_charlie
But it's not real!!!

WAAAAHHH!!!

|Cain|

It all depends what you mean by real Cain. They really do what you see in the ring, theres no special effects, camera tricks, or wires used.

True the results are fixed, this is what your talking about. All the films Bruce Lee, Jet Li and Jackie Chan are in are fixed in the same way, nobody says that’s a false or rubbish!?

Most moves used are real legitimate fighting moves. Applied with enough skill (most of the time) not to inflict damage. As I said before, that’s what us martial artists do the vast majority of the time isn’t it? So is that not real either? Ask the many wrestlers that are currently having neck surgery as Tosh mentioned, if it really hurts? If you dare :)

[Andy Murray]

Language Timothy!

[Cain]

Nah!

Do you see how they throw their punches? They are going to break their fingers if they actually tried that

Plus they stomp and punch at the same place, same time, there's hardly any weight behind them, I would'nt call it real unless they changed things heavily

Even semi contact sparring is more real than that :woo:

Anyways I have different opinions and there's NO way to seduce me in that direction

Besides, I am too tired to argue :D partly because Saddam resides in this forum, along with super chief moderator :eek:

|Cain|

[pgm316]

Yeah the punches and kicks are generally pretty lame, but there not supposed to be hitting each other. There are some martial arts type people that can do the fancy spinner jumping side kicks :D

Its more the wrestling I watched it for. A lot of it is genuine techniques that you can use. It gave me a lot to thing about while doing Judo and Jujitsu.

But its not supposed to be taken too seriously, we don't have debates like this about whether films are real, whats the difference.

I think there trying to get away from pretending to be real by calling it sports entertainment.

I watched a program with Louey Theroux, when he spent some time with a less famous wrestling company. He said to one, "but isn't it all fake?" It really is a sore point with them. They made him join in with some training. He was soon very tired and very sore, he couldn't do what they told him, and was soon close to tears. They wouldn't let the fake bit drop and he was soon throwing up. I think they got a lot more respect for each other at the end of the week! :p

[Tosh]

Ever watched Tough Enough?

[pgm316]

I watched bits of that, wasn't bad. Although it was still the tv friendly side. Ever watch any old ECW :o

Was a better test for a fighter than Sky Ones fight school!

[pgm316]

Did anybody watch Wrestlemania that was on Sunday night?

First time I've watched the wrestling in some time. There was some good and bad wrestling in there. Some really poor matches that didn't even resemble a fight. HHH didn't look like he even wanted to be there!

But also some great wrestling exhibitions. Best of which was Kurt Angle and Brock Lesnar, two guys that "really" know their stuff. Applying all the techniques that work, moving from hold to hold with counter after counter, even saw a rear naked choke in there at one point ;) All went well till Brock flipped off the top rope and landed on his head KO'ing himself. He did well to carry shortly after, but was sat down after with a bleeding face looking rather unwell! :o

[stump]

Heard a rumour that Tito was on his way to the WWE.....though I heard it yesterday!!!!!!

So can anyone offer more on this news???? scoop or poop? :)

[pgm316]

I've heard rumour too, whether it's a small appearance or long term contract I dunno.....

But he was sat close to the ring watching wrestlemania! :)

[Freeform]

Theroux ended up puking his guts if I remember. I dare anyone to tell Rob Van Damme or Tanaka that they can't kick ;)

Also did anyone notice the Tito Ortiz appearance in the Cradle 2 The Grave (Jet Li) film. Could it be the start of him spreading his wings into mass entertainment, a warm up before retiring?

Col

[Tosh]

Originally posted by Freeform

Also did anyone notice the Tito Ortiz appearance in the Cradle 2 The Grave (Jet Li) film. Could it be the start of him spreading his wings into mass entertainment, a warm up before retiring?
Col

I heard he was going to be WWE new Tito "Santana" Ortiz

;P

[Tosh]

Here'sa the latest from my favourite source (and nearly always reliable)

RajahWWF (http://www.rajahwwf.com)

"Some Mixed Martial Arts websites are still reporting that UFC Light Heavyweight champion Tito Ortiz has signed with WWE. However, as we have announced about three times here on Rajah, Ortiz has still not signed a deal with WWE, despite rumors. We will keep you updated on the situation."

[KickChick]

I sat near Prince Albert and several other wrestlers (??) on a flight from Atlanta Georgia earler this week.
BIG and sweet he was!

[ogre237]

I Personaly enjoy watching wrestling and find it entertaining as far as calling it all Fake i think that this is a little strong as the moves are being preformed, injuries do happen ok the out come is decided but so what if you want a good insiders look read Mick Foley's (MANKIND) HAVE A NICE DAY (a tale of blood and sweet socks and FOLEY IS GOOD (the real world is faker than wrestling) both enjoyable reads.

[YODA]

(the real world is faker than wrestling)

Amen to THAT!

[pgm316]

Originally posted by KickChick
I sat near Prince Albert and several other wrestlers (??) on a flight from Atlanta Georgia earler this week.
BIG and sweet he was!

Sweet LMAO, suppose he has nothing to prove by acting "hard" a guy his size only needs 3 techniques, smash, crush, slam :D

ps Hairiest man I've ever seen!

the real world is faker than wrestling

Great quote! :)

[pgm316]

LUGER CHARGED WITH 14 COUNTS ON DRUG POSSESSION
- Lex Luger has been busted with 14 counts of drug possession and felony
purchase according to news outlets. While searching for clues in the
Elizabeth Hulette case, CSI's found anabolic steroids, Hydrocodone
(relief of moderate to severe pain), Xanex (sedative used to treat
anxiety disorder), Saizen (human growth hormone pills), testosterone and
other drugs which violate the Georgia Control Substance Act. A few weeks
ago rumors popped up suggesting that Luger was getting back in shape for
a possible WWE return although now that comeback seems quite impossible.

So thats what it takes to be a wrestler, loads of different drugs and a dead and slightly beaten girlfriend! :o

[Jamo]

Yes...unfortunately, Professional Wrestling is fast approaching Dental Professionals as the highest percentage of suicides. So far, Elizabeth's death is still being labeled a suicide...and Lex is not a murder suspect...but having that many illegal substances around you is never a good thing. I think that, if any of the substances found in her body were not her own presciption (but from Lex's 'drug store'), he should be charged for connection to the death.

Jamo