Another workout...

[Noib Da Mutt]

this one's not as complicated as the last one, but it's harder, it's extremely hard, but worth it to get used to...














ok, here we go...

start off by by warming up and stretching, then do 10 repetitions of every kick you do, each leg...

ok, now stretch again, real good...

now hop on one leg for 1 mile... that's right, one mile... if you can't do it, do half a mile, try to at least push yourself to half, then do the same distance on the other leg... after that, stretch again... then run as fast as you can for 1 mile... after that, you're almost done... work all your kicks again, 10 reps each, and stretch...

there...



you're done...


try it and tell me what you think, made my legs feel like carrots...

[Adam]

That would put me in a wheelchair, the state my knees are in. A mile of one leg hopping?

[Scarlet Mist]

Noib, seriously. Hopping on one leg for a mile? Jeez. That is a) really hard b) asking for trouble on your knees c) silly looking. But hey, if it works it works!

[Noib Da Mutt]

you can get new knees... this will strengthen your legs like crazy...











remedy for the knees, don't do this every week... or past a dangerous point, if you feel your knees can't take it, stop... Dp it as often as you feel strong enough to do it...

[pinkpsycho]

I wouldn't make it to the end of my street. :cry: And it would look really silly like SM said :rolleyes:

[Noib Da Mutt]

since when has training been about looking cool?

[Noib Da Mutt]

oh yeah, Scarlet, you got AIM?

[GhostOfYourMind]

Isn't that basically like plyo on crack? :D

Hmmmm... I just noticed that it's for 1 friggin mile! Thought it was for 100 meters. Maybe I should read more carefully next time... :o Skimming posts is BAD children! :D I value my knees, and they're messed up enough, so I think I'll stick to NORMAL plyos.

[Noib Da Mutt]

there we go...

[YODA]

Are we expected to take this seriously? :confused:

*Checks calendar - nope - not April 1st.

[pinkpsycho]

When training you don't have to look cool it's just if I were to go and hop down the street on one foot chances are the police would come to make sure I wasn't on drugs. And wouldn't that be pretty damaging to your knees?

[RichieRich]

have someone waiting with new knees at the mile mark..

[Wesker]

You'd also get shin splints from hopping on the ball of your foot over such a long distance.

Better workout: Stand on one foot. Hop up and touch your heel (of the foot you were standing on) to your butt and land back on the same foot. Do this 10 times without touching your other foot to the ground.

It's a good workout for your calves and hamstrings.

[Noib Da Mutt]

Are we expected to take this seriously? :confused:

*Checks calendar - nope - not April 1st.

dude, I respect you being a MOD and all but you don't ever have anything but negative things to say in my threads, I'd really appreciate it if you weren't always so condescending, I'm not trying to incite people with every thread I make, so why must every responce be thus from you?

[YODA]

dude, I respect you being a MOD and all but you don't ever have anything but negative things to say in my threads, I'd really appreciate it if you weren't always so condescending, I'm not trying to incite people with every thread I make, so why must every responce be thus from you?

Because, quite simply, the advice & information you give is laughable at best and at worst downright irresponsible.

[Scarlet Mist]

oh yeah, Scarlet, you got AIM?

Nah, I use MSN IM:

[Paratus]

dude, I respect you being a MOD and all but you don't ever have anything but negative things to say in my threads, I'd really appreciate it if you weren't always so condescending, I'm not trying to incite people with every thread I make, so why must every responce be thus from you?

I think I heard somewhere along the line that Yoda here is certified in health n' fitness what not (Certified What-Not Specialist :D). Even if I heard wrong, he's been around a while training and such, so, yeah I'd listen to 'im when it comes to advice or opinions of fitness routine schtuff ;)

[Noib Da Mutt]

Because, quite simply, the advice & information you give is laughable at best and at worst downright irresponsible.

you don't agree with what I say, don't respond, it's simple... You have something constructive to say, I'm willing to listen, but it doesn't serve well to act like a child hurling insults over the internet.. Dispite all of the "bad" advice or information you feel I give, that doesn't justify disrespect...

[Noib Da Mutt]

I think I heard somewhere along the line that Yoda here is certified in health n' fitness what not (Certified What-Not Specialist :D). Even if I heard wrong, he's been around a while training and such, so, yeah I'd listen to 'im when it comes to advice or opinions of fitness routine schtuff ;)

and where did he give any advice, or say anything constructive for that matter?

[Paratus]

Well, he said in a way (wether taken insulting or not) that the routine is probably not a good one.

Look, sorry, I'm not going to get (nor trying to) into an arguement if that is what it will come to.

[RichieRich]

the work out would be hard.. but probably quite damaging to your body. Its cool that you try new things, but work within the confines of what's good for you.

[Noib Da Mutt]

just trying to innovate people, I like the variation excercise of touching the foot to the bottom, except I'd do more... and you could possible reduce joint stress by alternating every hundred meters or so...

[Scarlet Mist]

In all honesty Noib, I don't think I'd try that. Road running is hard enough on the knees.

[Noib Da Mutt]

In all honesty Noib, I don't think I'd try that. Road running is hard enough on the knees.

In all honesty, your calves hurt more than anything afterwards...

[YODA]

you don't agree with what I say, don't respond, it's simple... You have something constructive to say, I'm willing to listen, but it doesn't serve well to act like a child hurling insults over the internet.. Dispite all of the "bad" advice or information you feel I give, that doesn't justify disrespect...

I don't disrespect you - but when you give out "advice" that is likely to cause harm I WILL speak up.

You want constructive advice? Ok...

This routine, and the previous ones for that matter, are ill conceived, dangerous to the point of negligence and generally BAD.

Now - if you can point me to where I have personally attacked YOU rather than your poor advice - I'd be most greatful.

[Noib Da Mutt]

I don't disrespect you - but when you give out "advice" that is likely to cause harm I WILL speak up.

You want constructive advice? Ok...

This routine, and the previous ones for that matter, are ill conceived, dangerous to the point of negligence and generally BAD.

Now - if you can point me to where I have personally attacked YOU rather than your poor advice - I'd be most greatful.

I don't have a problem with that at all... Although, I'd like to note that I never presented this as advice, I gave it as a suggestion to hear what people thought about it afterwards... When I conceived this and did it, I never thought about the knees, but now that it has been brought to my attention, I can conceive an alternative that neutralizes that problem... The whole idea is to innovate new techniques toward training, steada the same old same old... And just for the record, my knees weren't really sore or hurting when I did this, although I can see how this excercise could effect some people...

[cybermonk]

Two words that give a more effective and safer lower body workout:
1)Squat
2)Sprint

[YODA]

Excellent - now we've made progress.

The problem is that when someone posts a training routine on the internet - some people may wrongly think that the poster is qualified to give physiologically safe and sound advice and take it as "gospel."

Imagine a 14 year old, newbie but promising athlete, reading your initial post and heading right outside before the first reply to try hopping on one foot for a mile.

When he injures himself and potentially ruins the prospects of a bright career as an elite athlete WHO do you think his parents will come looking for? The original poster - who may be impossible to trace - or the owners of the forum, one of whom is a qualified fitness and kinesiology instructor and who is very easy to trace - and sue?

How then - had your original post outlined the workout and asked if we thought it was a safe and a viable routine, you may have got a better response. For my part I acted a little unfriendly - and I appologise for that.

[Noib Da Mutt]

Two words that give a more effective and safer lower body workout:
1)Squat
2)Sprint

both are good, although, I reccomend lunges over squats...(but that's a different debate of the past)... sprints are great... Only thing is, neither work the calf, foot, and balance in a way that this does, plus this works on endurance as well, only problem is people's knees, so, we gotta find a way around that...

[Noib Da Mutt]

Excellent - now we've made progress.

The problem is that when someone posts a training routine on the internet - some people may wrongly think that the poster is qualified to give physiologically safe and sound advice and take it as "gospel."

Imagine a 14 year old, newbie but promising athlete, reading your initial post and heading right outside before the first reply to try hopping on one foot for a mile.

When he injures himself and potentially ruins the prospects of a bright career as an elite athlete WHO do you think his parents will come looking for? The original poster - who may be impossible to trace - or the owners of the forum, one of whom is a qualified fitness and kinesiology instructor and who is very easy to trace - and sue?

How then - had your original post outlined the workout and asked if we thought it was a safe and a viable routine, you may have got a better response. For my part I acted a little unfriendly - and I appologise for that.


cool deal... although that is in the most extreme case something like that would occur...lol...

[YODA]

cool deal... although that is in the most extreme case something like that would occur...lol...

I agree - it is extreme - but life has a way of dealing out extremes when you least expect them!

[Ad McG]

Noib - You just don't listen. You have so far refused to admit that this is a very hazardous workout, to the point that it is in no way worth doing, especially when compared to the alternatives. To come up with creative ways of training, you should have some sort of idea to it and have a bit of knowledge to back it up instead of just thinking "oh, maybe I will hop for a while, then kick, then stretch, then run, then kick" etc. with no real goals apart from thinking at the end "omg, my legs are in pain". It just seems that you can't admit that you know a lot less about training than other people on here. Just because you have an idea that hurts or might feel like you are getting more results at the given time, does in no way mean that it is better than the zillion other protocol given out for free by the best coaches in the world. The fact that you think lunges are an all-round better exercise than squats has some relevance, but I will direct this more at this thread. This workout is cack, plain and simple. Please reply without discussing how I am "disrespecting you" and without including various other ways of digressing from the real point.

[Noib Da Mutt]

Noib - You just don't listen. You have so far refused to admit that this is a very hazardous workout, to the point that it is in no way worth doing, especially when compared to the alternatives. To come up with creative ways of training, you should have some sort of idea to it and have a bit of knowledge to back it up instead of just thinking "oh, maybe I will hop for a while, then kick, then stretch, then run, then kick" etc. with no real goals apart from thinking at the end "omg, my legs are in pain". It just seems that you can't admit that you know a lot less about training than other people on here. Just because you have an idea that hurts or might feel like you are getting more results at the given time, does in no way mean that it is better than the zillion other protocol given out for free by the best coaches in the world. The fact that you think lunges are an all-round better exercise than squats has some relevance, but I will direct this more at this thread. This workout is cack, plain and simple. Please reply without discussing how I am "disrespecting you" and without including various other ways of digressing from the real point.


if I'm not mistaken I believe I have been reccomending people help me brainstorm for a safer alternative...

[Ad McG]

if I'm not mistaken I believe I have been reccomending people help me brainstorm for a safer alternative...


That isn't my point. You always try to pick at arguments and digress instead of getting to the root of the debate. My point is that just within this one thread, you have barraged us with poor training theory. The first page alone was enough to make me cringe. Allow me to quote:

this one's not as complicated as the last one, but it's harder, it's extremely hard, but worth it to get used to...

Why is it worth getting used to?

you can get new knees... this will strengthen your legs like crazy...



remedy for the knees, don't do this every week... or past a dangerous point, if you feel your knees can't take it, stop... Dp it as often as you feel strong enough to do it...

Why will it "strengthen your legs like crazy?" why should you do it as often as you feel strong enough?

dude, I respect you being a MOD and all but you don't ever have anything but negative things to say in my threads, I'd really appreciate it if you weren't always so condescending, I'm not trying to incite people with every thread I make, so why must every responce be thus from you?

Ever wondered why a very qualified person has nothing but negative comments in your threads?



Ok, lets' go second page as well, what the hell.


Quote:
Originally Posted by YODA
Because, quite simply, the advice & information you give is laughable at best and at worst downright irresponsible.



you don't agree with what I say, don't respond, it's simple... You have something constructive to say, I'm willing to listen, but it doesn't serve well to act like a child hurling insults over the internet.. Dispite all of the "bad" advice or information you feel I give, that doesn't justify disrespect...

People give constructive criticism and scientific evidence to you all the time, especially in the aforementioned squats thread, that you duly ignore.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarlet Mist
In all honesty Noib, I don't think I'd try that. Road running is hard enough on the knees.



In all honesty, your calves hurt more than anything afterwards...

Did you even say that? Crazy.


Quote:
Originally Posted by YODA
I don't disrespect you - but when you give out "advice" that is likely to cause harm I WILL speak up.

You want constructive advice? Ok...

This routine, and the previous ones for that matter, are ill conceived, dangerous to the point of negligence and generally BAD.

Now - if you can point me to where I have personally attacked YOU rather than your poor advice - I'd be most greatful.



I don't have a problem with that at all... Although, I'd like to note that I never presented this as advice, I gave it as a suggestion to hear what people thought about it afterwards... When I conceived this and did it, I never thought about the knees, but now that it has been brought to my attention, I can conceive an alternative that neutralizes that problem... The whole idea is to innovate new techniques toward training, steada the same old same old... And just for the record, my knees weren't really sore or hurting when I did this, although I can see how this excercise could effect some people...


Now we're getting to the core of the problem. You need to ask more questions rather than try and state more "answers." If you want good training theory created from a scientific basis for specific goals, you have come to a good place. Usually a quick search should sort out your needs. However, if you feel that you don't have enough variety or something else is missing from your workouts, post it here and ask for suggestions or opinions. It seems like whenever you do ask for opinions, you defend your training suggestions to the point of ridicule rather than look at them objectively. Asking for a suggestion would be much better than posting one that has no real basis on theory behind it. There are a zillion different plans around the internet tailored to all kinds of goals by very qualified people, unlike yourself. Try them out before you try "innovating".



PS. I'm sorry, I still can't get over the fact that you think lunges are better than squats :D :Angel: :woo: :D

PPS. I have been in the pub all night, so excuse my poor grammar, punctuation etc. However, I stand by my points sober or drunk :D

[kevamania]

Without innovation science wouldnt be where it is today.So the idea behind posting something and asking for comments/suggestions is cool.
Seriously though an up and coming/current athlete could have seen that and tried that.or even a less than averagly fit person could try it and have real problems.
what is the purpose of your proposed programme?the only thing it will enhance is your chances of injury.No disrespect,im open minded about things like this.

It might be a good idea to have this section set up similar to the events promotion section.
eg someone posts a workout and one or more MODs or members who are qualified review and rate it(safety,effectivness etc) and leve a note ,eg not suitable for beginners.
Could save a lot of people injury/wasted time

Just an idea

[Noib Da Mutt]

^^^^^that's an excellent idea, I'm really likin' that one...

[Poop-Loops]

I concur. Having the same excercises gets boring, but doing completely random ones could turn out to be dangerous or just a waste of time. Having someone who know's their stuff rating them would be nice. :)

PL

[Vitriol]

So much stressing over someone who wanted to challenge themselves with something most of the people I see posting here are simply afraid of doing...

Like he quoted early on in the thread, dont post if you have nothing good to say! :bang:

[Ad McG]

So much stressing over someone who wanted to challenge themselves with something most of the people I see posting here are simply afraid of doing...

Like he quoted early on in the thread, dont post if you have nothing good to say! :bang:


Rubbish. I wouldn't do it because it's pointless for what I want to do, never mind that it's dangerous. What is the point in a discussion if you are only allowed to make positive comments? It's about as pointless as this workout.

[Vitriol]

Alright, you made your point on the discussion deal, rest can pass through the digestive track of a camel and be released on someones dried corpse. ;)

*looks about the sky for the almighty admin to come smashing down upon him* :Angel:

[DJHalliB]

At least this "routine" isnt as completely silly as the previous one, where you would need to keep a notepad with you for remembering.

Getting a "good workout" is not about doing alot of different stuff until your definately going to get sore afterwards. Its about doing something safe and constructive and within the limits of physiology and anatomy.

Also remember that not everyone will want to use the same volume, instead of having exact numbers and lengts of activities, just list the activities, intensity levels one is aiming at and rest time between them (example: 10min running instead of 1mile running)

but just for fun I'm going to write a workout right now with the same protocol as I see you using:

Warmup with light jogging for about 30minutes,
Bodyweight (BW) squats until failure, then mile of running 10m then sprinting 5m then drink some water. Ater that do two thousand kicks (your choice, but make it creative) and three thousand punches in a horse stand. Now take a hoola ring and keep it up for at least 15minutes before dropping down and doing clap-pushups with your hands starting WITHIN the ring until failure. Then do the same kicks you did before, but do them in the exact opposite order (f.x. if you started with hook kick, you now end with a hook kick etc.) Now run 1mile doing 50 crunches every 50 meters for the first half-mile then 50 supermen (lying on stomach and lifting legs and hands off the ground like superman flying) every 50m.

Afterwards make sure to drink plenty of water and have the hospital bed pre-ordered and the ambulance waiting at home. (You'll be plenty sore!)

[Vitriol]

Haha... Thats cute. Now get ready to defend it!

"then 50 supermen (lying on stomach and lifting legs and hands off the ground like superman flying)" lmfao

[Noib Da Mutt]

At least this "routine" isnt as completely silly as the previous one, where you would need to keep a notepad with you for remembering.

Getting a "good workout" is not about doing alot of different stuff until your definately going to get sore afterwards. Its about doing something safe and constructive and within the limits of physiology and anatomy.

Also remember that not everyone will want to use the same volume, instead of having exact numbers and lengts of activities, just list the activities, intensity levels one is aiming at and rest time between them (example: 10min running instead of 1mile running)

but just for fun I'm going to write a workout right now with the same protocol as I see you using:

Warmup with light jogging for about 30minutes,
Bodyweight (BW) squats until failure, then mile of running 10m then sprinting 5m then drink some water. Ater that do two thousand kicks (your choice, but make it creative) and three thousand punches in a horse stand. Now take a hoola ring and keep it up for at least 15minutes before dropping down and doing clap-pushups with your hands starting WITHIN the ring until failure. Then do the same kicks you did before, but do them in the exact opposite order (f.x. if you started with hook kick, you now end with a hook kick etc.) Now run 1mile doing 50 crunches every 50 meters for the first half-mile then 50 supermen (lying on stomach and lifting legs and hands off the ground like superman flying) every 50m.

Afterwards make sure to drink plenty of water and have the hospital bed pre-ordered and the ambulance waiting at home. (You'll be plenty sore!)

I'm going to try this...

[YODA]

I'm going to try this...

I thought you might :Angel:

[Ad McG]

I thought you might :Angel:


haha :D

[Visage]

ok, here we go...

start off by by warming up and stretching, then do 10 repetitions of every kick you do, each leg...



Ok!!
(goes off and performs ten reps of every kick on each leg, comes back after about nearly two hours)


ok, now stretch again, real good...

now hop on one leg for 1 mile... that's right, one mile... if you can't do it, do half a mile, try to at least push yourself to half,


Well, I did need to go to the super market... (sets off hopping down the main road, figuring that since I already look like a complete idiot, I might as well go all the way and flap my arms up and down as I go... Finally reaching the supermarket, I stock up on plenty of bottles of vodka [im gonna need them to hop back up that hill] and some knee supports.)


then do the same distance on the other leg... after that, stretch again...


(Hops back up the main road home... Once I get home, I start stretching, only to realise that I've left my wallet at the supermarket!)

AH NUTS! :woo: :bang:


then run as fast as you can for 1 mile...


Hey, this is too good! I can run back down to the super market before they close and pick up my wallet! :D

(Pulls on my ol' running shoes and sets off back down the hill. Finally reahing the supermarket, I dart inside and grab my wallet from customer services... I set off, ready to run home again, when all of a sudden...)

OWW!!! :cry: (My knees collapse under me. Luckily, a group of passing nuns kindly call an ambulance for me. After getting treated at hospital, I make it home, ready to complete my excercise)


work all your kicks again, 10 reps each, and stretch...

there...


WOW!! :eek: It does work!! My kicks pack so much more of a whallop now!! People just fall beneath them! I doubt It has any thing to do with the plaster casts the doctor put on my legs though... :rolleyes:


you're done...


To right


try it and tell me what you think, made my legs feel like carrots...

I think you're a few bread crumbs short... :rolleyes:

[Adam]

Haaahaaahaaa! That happen to you a lot Tejitsu? :D

[Visage]

More than you'd believe Adam :p

[Noib Da Mutt]

lol@Tejitsu...

[semphoon]

this one's not as complicated as the last one, but it's harder, it's extremely hard, but worth it to get used to...














ok, here we go...

start off by by warming up and stretching, then do 10 repetitions of every kick you do, each leg...

ok, now stretch again, real good...

now hop on one leg for 1 mile... that's right, one mile... if you can't do it, do half a mile, try to at least push yourself to half, then do the same distance on the other leg... after that, stretch again... then run as fast as you can for 1 mile... after that, you're almost done... work all your kicks again, 10 reps each, and stretch...

there...



you're done...


try it and tell me what you think, made my legs feel like carrots...


ROFLMAO


I love you Noib Da Mutt (praise be his name)

How often do you do this workout? Your radical and off the wall workouts will make you King of the fighting world.

[Knight_Errant]

OK, I've had enough.
This thread has outlived its usefulness.
Noib has been mauled enough!