Just wondering...

[Sean O]

Everyone here seems to be completely against weight lifting for cosmetic reasons. While I don't do this, I just want to know why you guys think this is such a bad idea? (I know that it's not the best way for a martial artist to do things, but what if the person you're trying to help really wants to do it to build huge muscles?)

[TkdWarrior]

hmm for starting i m not agianst weight lifting... because i myself do ;)
there can be instance where i might go against weight lifting like doing excercises for thighs when i hav good thighs from my other training...
i m not sure if building huge muscles make u slow in MA n i don't care about this... i hav ppl told me that fat guys can't move fast hell to them, i hav gained over 12 kg and i m still fast(not faster) n more powerful than i used to be... my teacher is about 20 kgs overweight n is fastest... so acc to my experience it' does nothing..
i hav bench pressed 100 kgs(around) n havn't felt like i lost any speed power or watever i didn't want to loose...
it's very much personal goal
find out wat u want and then work towards it...
-TkdWarrior-

[Bon]

...I don't do this....


Sure, you don't! :D

[Cain]

No there's nothing wrong with it as long as you don't do martial arts

Some people are just too bulky because of their size making MA study almost mpossible [except maybe aikido ;) ]I mean look at Arnold or Ade Rai

Seriously speaking The only trouble with bodybuilding is asking about it in a martial arts forum :D

I can't go too much into the technical details since I don't know that much about it, but I am sure Yoda will come armed with a great big article :D

|Cain|

[Jazman]

Weightlifting should pose no problem to MAists. However, many people who do weightlifting for cosmetic reasons try to get excessively bulky and tend no to stretch thouroghly. You still can weightlift for bulk though, stretching is the only key. If bulkiness was a problem then overweight people like TKDWarrior would have alot of problems :)

[TkdWarrior]

<If bulkiness was a problem then overweight people like TKDWarrior would have alot of problems >

lol yea u know there r things which i can't do but one of my freind who overwieghs me too about 20+ kgs ... like 180 jump kick, n other flying kicks. :D that guy wanted to do it n after lots of practice he CAN do it now... how's that for a change?

-TkdWarrior-

[Labatt]

The thing MA should not do is bodybuild.

We should have a combat fighting routine, mixed in with core lifts to get you huge.

[r4bid]

what exactly do you consider weight lifting for cosmetic reasons?

I can probably give you a nice answer once you explicate that.

[Sean O]

Sorry, I was away on vacation.

By cosmetic reasons, I mean bodybuilding (I would have said that, but apparently even trying to get a little more buff is bad too). As far as whats been said so far, I agree with jazman that as long as you stretch, bodybuilding shouldn't be too much of a problem for a martial artist. It just seems odd that whenever someone mentions bodybuilding on these forums, they get practically torn to shreds by everyone.

[r4bid]

Sean: I dont' get that sentiment at all. I can't remember a single thread like that... Most of the people here believe that you should lift to gain strength as this is a martial arts forum and strength is important in the martial arts. If you do that you will build a nice body, the two go hand in hand.

[Bon]

Yeah, peoople get torn to sheds when they mention body building (usually by YODA) and meandoing bicep curls, flyes, etc. etc, training 6x days a week...

[r4bid]

Thats not "body building" thats just silly lifting. Most of the routines at the body building sites I frequent are almost exactly like the one Yoda reccomended to Sean back a few months ago...

[Sean O]

Well, the exercises and the number of days you work out per week don't really make it bodybuilding, its how much weight you use and how many sets and reps you do per exercise.

Believe me, this supposed to be a way to make bodybuilding look better then everyone makes it out to be so I can start working towards making Schwarzenegger looking like a dwarf without feeling guilty about it. I use the routine yoda gave me just the way he told me to (although I take 1 days rest rather than 2, and him and I have revised the exercises a little, but oh well), and I am getting good results. This was just me wondering why the word "bodybuilding" brings up such a bitch from everyone. (Not sure if I'm allowed to say bitch, so please excuse me if I'm not.)

[r4bid]

your using one day rests? If you are using the proper amount of weight you shouldn't be able to even do half of the routine after just resting one day...
Your muscles grow during the days you do not work them out, if you want to get big take the two days rest.

[YODA]

Bravo r4bid :D

Less is more.

[Cain]

Hi Sean,

Even I have been using two days rests and believe me I have seen a really noticable difference in the size of my thighs and shoulders, and r4bid is rite you won't be able to lift much using the next workout, well atleast not me :D

Man this thing really helped me, I have been able to do more frog jumps in my class than I ever thought possible

|Cain|

[THEGREAT1]

Originally posted by Labatt
The thing MA should not do is bodybuild.

We should have a combat fighting routine, mixed in with core lifts to get you huge.


core lifts on their own (as a weight lifting exercise) do not make you huge due to the lack of range.

and body building should have no effect on you as a martial artist aslong as you use a full range of motion and workout properly.

people with the wrong programs and technique etc will suffer without a doubt.

done properly there should be zero problem.

[r4bid]

Yoda: I learn from the best hehe.

[Cain]

I can see his cheeks turning red from all that blushing :D

|Cain|

[JediMasterChris]

Sean,you seem to ask many questions but disagree with all of the answers, if you are able to rest only 1 day then you are doing something wrong because the muscle I believe tears itself and while you are resting gets stronger so it can get torn again and get stronger etc, If you are not resting it is not helping you at all, Yoda gives really good advice and you should listen to him because he is obviously very experienced and he knows what he is talking about.

[Fergie Boy]

Most of the info I have seen say that you need 48 hours rest after a routine, and all here say two days, so are they both talking about the same two days. Monday at ten till wednesday at ten is forty-eight hours but is not really what most would think of if you told them to rest for two days that would seem to say workout on monday take tuesday and wednesday off andworkout again on thursday.

[JediMasterChris]

Exactly. And the excercises that yoda gave you will work if you do them,there is no need to modify.

[Sean O]

Believe me, this supposed to be a way to make bodybuilding look better then everyone makes it out to be so I can start working towards making Schwarzenegger looking like a dwarf without feeling guilty about it. I use the routine yoda gave me just the way he told me to (although I take 1 days rest rather than 2, and him and I have revised the exercises a little, but oh well), and I am getting good results. This was just me wondering why the word "bodybuilding" brings up such a bitch from everyone. (Not sure if I'm allowed to say bitch, so please excuse me if I'm not.)

take 1 days rest rather than 2

I wrote this before I had a real understanding of weight training for a martial artist is supposed to go, so excuse me. I use enough weight to have to rest 2 days now.

and him and I have revised the exercises a little, but oh well

...although I don't remember yoda and I changing the routine together, I DID add two exercises, but thats it.

Finally, I now know ALOT more about weight training for a martial artist, and weight training in general, so unless I ask for advice, don't give me any.

[dredleviathan]

... so unless I ask for advice, don't give me any.

I sense that this will not be a problem in the future!

[JediMasterChris]

... so unless I ask for advice, don't give me any.


And you expect to be a good martial artist with this attitude?You need to be more open man...On all of your post you act like you need help and then you get advice (that you asked for) and you won't listen to it. I have read many of your posts and it sounds like you just want to be a martial artist to improve your self image or something...In my opinion you are not mature enough to start martial arts...wait until you grow up a little bit and become more open.

[Sean O]

...are you sure you're in the right thread chris?

This thread is me wondering why everyone hated bodybuilding. I don't know what you mean by I act like I need help. I said in this thread that I added an exercise or two to yoda's routine a little bit, but all in all, I was still using it. Also...

I wrote this before I had a real understanding of weight training for a martial artist is supposed to go, so excuse me. I use enough weight to have to rest 2 days now.

Does this not imply that I took what you guys said graciously?

In case you're referring to other threads that I've asked questions on, the only reason I argued is to broaden my understanding of the topic. I mean, the advice given to me DID help, but I like to learn as much as I can, and try my understanding to see if I've got it or not. Hope this clears things up for you.

By the way... sending me a PM to say the same thing you just said here? Geez, you must have been really offended or something lol... sorry :D

[JediMasterChris]

Yeah laugh at me........What I was saying applies to all of your posts...When you ask a question just accept the replies. I would not waste my time being offended by you.Bye.

[Sean O]

Posted by JediMasterChris
When you ask a question just accept the replies.


Posted by me
the only reason I argued is to broaden my understanding of the topic. I mean, the advice given to me DID help, but I like to learn as much as I can, and try my understanding to see if I've got it or not. Hope this clears things up for you.

It's as simple as that. I argue to learn. It may not be what you're used to, but it's the way I learn. The purpose of this forum is to debate, man. I don't see what the problem is.

[JediMasterChris]

Since when was the purpose to debate??? I thought the purpose was to ask questions??? Silly me. :yeleyes:

[Sean O]

I searched through all the threads I started to see how often I came off as disrespectful and ignorant. I guess now I'll enlighten you...

Maybe 10, tops, in my bench press thread. Thats it! The other ones were not at all disrespectful. They were just questions (real ones, not my way of "challenging"), or me acknowledging the advice given to me. If your problem is that I didn't seem grateful enough in that thread, then I'll try and make things better.

To Yoda, and everyone else who helped me in the Bench Press for a 14 year old thread... your advice really DID help me. I've gained alot in strength and muscular endurance by using your advice, and my worries about muscle tone (come on, let me get away with it this time :)) are gone, as I look much better now!

[JediMasterChris]

Haha...oh wow,I am glad it was only 10 times that you have done it...... :o

[Sean O]

Okay then Chris, tell me what you hope to accomplish by telling me all this.

1. You won't make me feel bad about any of this.

2. You won't change the way I am.

3. You can try and make me look bad in front of the other members, but even if you succeed, I won't care. This site isn't my social life, I just use it to debate things that catch my interests, and have questions answered.

[JediMasterChris]

Alright,my last reply was a little smart-alecky...None of the things you mentioned were my intent at all...I just want you to understand that people try to help you and you should be grateful if you ask somebody about something that you do not know much about and if they help you that means you have no right to argue what they say because you did not know about the subject in the first place. I definitley wouldn't want to damage you online reputation or anything of the sort.

[Sean O]

I definitley wouldn't want to damage you online reputation or anything of the sort.

Well, if you don't want to come off smart alecky, thats not the way to go.

I just want you to understand that people try to help you and you should be grateful if you ask somebody about something that you do not know much about and if they help you that means you have no right to argue what they say because you did not know about the subject in the first place.

I agree. And I've said already that I am grateful for the advice I got. I could tell you why I "challenge" people to learn more, but that would involve me revealing a good part of my life, and I don't think anyone really cares that much. Basically, it's the way I am. You can dislike me if you want, I don't expect everyone to like me.

[Andy Murray]

Bucket of Ice Cold water all round!

Cool off guys. There's only one person round here qualified to be irrational, and it's me, so back off a couple of steps.

Show some maturity and ge back on track please!

[Sean O]

I think we're both fairly cool. I just want to resolve this before I log off.

[Andy Murray]

Threads never resolve anything, they merely give others the opportunity to either re-consider their own opinions, or embrace new ones.

What are you guys learning?