Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions

[Labatt]

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAAAAAAAA

I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When is reloaded comming out in theatres???

[Labatt]

What what?

No one gives a sh!t about Matrix???????

What's wrong with you people!!!!

[pesilat]

Originally posted by Labatt
What what?

No one gives a sh!t about Matrix???????

What's wrong with you people!!!!

Don't know where you got that idea.

I'm looking forward to it as well. But first I'm looking forward to The Hunted.

Mike

[TkdWarrior]

What's wrong with you people!!!!

too much beer...
who cares.
-TkdWarrior-

[Cougar_v203]

What's wrong with you people!!!!

we had to much beer like TKDwarrior said :) :woo: :woo:

[Joe karate]

Matrix! AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH! Is coming out in the US or UK first?

[Labatt]

US I think.

[Joe karate]

YYYYYYYAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!

But don't worry I won't ruin it for you guys in Europe.

[Labatt]

It's out may 16 i think

[r4bid]

yup mid may for the second and then the third is in late november I believe or it may be around Christmas time.

The fight scenes are supposed to be amazing!

[Cougar_v203]

WOOT! WOOT! MATRIX WILL ROXORZ YOUR BOXORZ AND IT WILL HANG YOU BY YOUR SNICKERDOODLE:D

[Mo Lung]

Originally posted by Cougar_v203
WOOT! WOOT! MATRIX WILL ROXORZ YOUR BOXORZ AND IT WILL HANG YOU BY YOUR SNICKERDOODLE:D

Is that good!?

:confused:

:)

[Freeform]

Heres a little observation. In the films they obviously use Kung Fu as their fighting style, but why in the trailers does Morpheus have a Japanese Katana, the fighting styles of which don't really mesh all that well.

Why? Because its all about image! The Japanese Katana is now the official coolest looking weapon in Hollywood!

Col

[gingerninja]

Originally posted by Freeform
Why? Because its all about image! The Japanese Katana is now the official coolest looking weapon in Hollywood!

Col

Yep, cos its shiny and sharpe

[Mo Lung]

You can thank Wesley Snipes and Blade for that! ;)

[Freeform]

His wasn't a katana. He used straight double edged blade but weilded it as if it were a katana, look closer ;)

[YODA]

Yup - it's a Darn Jian :D

[Mo Lung]

I stand corrected! He sure uses it like a katana!

Doesn't Donnie Yen use a katana in Blade2? May be I'm mixing them up... :confused:

:)

[Freeform]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Yen does. Shame we didn't see more of him in the film, but as he was choreographing it...

[Mo Lung]

I loved the fight at the end with Blade and the bad vamp dude when they regressed to extreme WWE techniques! Did you see the flying elbow drop from the ceiling! Classic!

Here's a mad piece of trivia that you may or may not know. The bad vamp dude in Blade2 (can't remember the character's name, but he was the young son that did the flying elbow thing! ;) ) Well, that character was played by Luke Goss of "When Will I Be Famous" fame! Remember those tools from school, James? LOL

:D

[gingerninja]

Originally posted by Freeform
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Yen does. Shame we didn't see more of him in the film, but as he was choreographing it...

Well he choreographs some of the fights - watch the bonus material on the DVD, very interesting stuff. Does anyone else get the irony of a Chinese WuShu actor playing a Japanese swordsman:confused:

I take it a Darn Jian is a chinese sword

[Spike]

I think the reason the Katana is now the cool sworsman`s blade of choice is probably Highlander.

[gingerninja]

Originally posted by Spike
I think the reason the Katana is now the cool sworsman`s blade of choice is probably Highlander.

For those of us with a bit of culture, it's because of Toshiro Mifune in movies like Yojimbo, Sanjiro, Thorne of Blood, etc

[pgm316]

How practical would Blades sword be, it doesn't have much of a hilt on it!?

[Freeform]

And what is this obsession with titanium swords? Ooh, a titanium acid etched sword.... wow!

Titanium may have a good strength to weight ratio, but so does steel. And its easier to forge! And that sword wasn't titanium anyway, unless it was chromed or nickel etched, which you generally don't do to titanium, something to do with its electro-potential!

Sorry, rant over!

Col

[gingerninja]

Calm down Col, you'll lose all your hair stressing like that.........OOOPS to late:D :D :D :D :D

[Freeform]

GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

I hate that Ginger! ;)

[pgm316]

Titanium does sound a bit cooler!

[bbcb_98]

Just a note that the Matrix Reloaded will open simulanteously around the world. So if it opens here in the US at 12am then depending on the time difference where you live you might catch in the afternoon.

Has anyone see the short film "The Flight of the Osiris"? Supposed to have some backgrond on the martrix i think.

[gingerninja]

Originally posted by Freeform
GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

I hate that Ginger! ;)

Ya love me really;)

[BlackRaven]

Download best Matrix 2 Trailer here (http://progressive1.stream.aol.com/wb/gl/wbonline/progressive/thematrix/us/med/trailer_final_640_dl.zip)

[KickChick]

Coming Next Week!!!!!!!


Matrix Reloaded Clips Online (http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/m/matrix2.php)

Also..... WARNING: The secrets are finally out!!! If wish to view the film in blissful ignorance ... DO NOT READ THIS!!!
Secrets of the New Matrix (http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101030512/story.html)

If Mr. Smith can replicate himself endlessly and Neo can fly away, what's the point of their fighting?

[John G]

Don't you just hate it when someone says "DO NOT READ THIS!!!" .

I can't help it I've, just got to click the link and take a little look.

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[STASH]

I'm seeing Matrix Reloaded tonight at 10pm. Thats two hours away...cant wait! The twins look scary as hell!

[officer_fujita]

The fight scene between one of the twins and Morpheus inside the car has got to be one of the coolest scenes in the movie.

[Greg-VT]

I just saw it then, and all I have to say is... WHOA. I mean, HOLYS#!!!

I left the cinema both speechless and breathless. damn..... My head won't stop spinning from it........ whoohoohooo!!

OK, done.







yep.

[STASH]

It was good, really really good...
For those who have seen it...what was your favourite fight scene?

[Cougar_v203]

this sucks! (not the movie, i mean thats like a sin if you don't like the matrix) anyways i have to do this stupid english project (a really retarded project at that) and my mom won't let me go see it.

[Spike]

"not the movie, i mean thats like a sin if you don't like the matrix) "

I guess that makes me a sinner

[Cougar_v203]

you don't like the matrix? I SHOOT YOU! ;) kidding

[Greg-VT]

Best fight seen, I would think it would to have the be the NON CG Neo fighting the Agents Smiths. So far anyway, thats the the only one that sticks in my head at the moment.... heck, they were all #$^&%^ awsome.

[Freeform]

Damn America and its presumptitous pre-UK release dates.

I curse you all!!! ;)

[Raiden]

Be sure an to stay past the credits to see the trailor for the 3rd one.


Saw it last night...call me crazy but I was a little disappointed. I liked the first one better. But I'm definately in the minority in that regard. ;)

[Cougar_v203]

one question: why the hell did they make neo fly? I mean whats the point?

[Spike]

I`m sorry, I didn`t like the Matrix.
Actually no, I`m not sorry, it was totally overrated

[pesilat]

Originally posted by Raiden
Be sure an to stay past the credits to see the trailor for the 3rd one.


Saw it last night...call me crazy but I was a little disappointed. I liked the first one better. But I'm definately in the minority in that regard. ;)

Nope. I liked the first one better overall. But I got the impression that 2nd was mostly intended to set the stage for the grand finale. I got the distinct impression that 3 is going to blow 1 & 2 out of the water.

Mike

[pesilat]

Originally posted by Cougar_v203
one question: why the hell did they make neo fly? I mean whats the point?

Well, they ended the first with him flying away from the phone booth.

I think it's an homage to Superman. Past that, I don't know what the point is.

Mike

[khafra]

Originally posted by officer_fujita
The fight scene between one of the twins and Morpheus inside the car has got to be one of the coolest scenes in the movie.

That's the one that made me understand why Waya would rather face guns than knives. Even if not wielded by a ghost, kinda scary.

[KickChick]

:eek: ok I just finished reading this article online....
The Kung Fu of Keanu (http://www.zap2it.com/movies/news/story/0,1259,---16823,00.html) ... wherein the producer of "The Matrix", Joel Silver compares Keanu to Jet Li ...

Keanu could take him," Silver says

"Keanu doesn't like hearing me say this, but I think he could. I mean look, Jet has been doing this since he was 4 years old and he's very, very fast, very good at it -- but Keanu has really mastered this," he explains. "I wouldn't screw with him in an alley."

"Reloaded" co-choreographer Yuen Chueng-Yam says that what he tried to do is help each actor find their personal style, but he still referred to their fighting skills as "make believe."

"I wouldn't make a distinction between real life and film kung fu because in front of the camera, you punch and you can pull back," he added.

Keanu responds: Your producer, Joel Silver, has made movies with Jet Li and claims that you've equaled Jet's martial-arts abilities. Your thoughts?

No. No way. I mean, Jet Li—he's far beyond my skill. He's been studying martial arts since he was 4 years old. How very kind of Joel to say that. But it's not true.

Joel Silver = idiot
Keanu = smart .... (can't believe I typed that!! )
:D

[Andy Murray]

:rolleyes:

That's about the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

Joel Silver needs to be laughed at on every MA forum there is!

Go to it

:D

[KickChick]

... before I "go to it" ... gonna have a beer (http://www.heineken.com/usa/thematrix/) and ponder this "situation" a bit!

...(this beer doesn't exist... but the commercial is pretty cool! :cool: )

[BlackRaven]

Trailer for part 3 - Matrix Revolutions (http://www.mikedingleyjones.btinternet.co.uk/the.matrix.revolutions.mpg)

[Crippler]

I watched the movie yesterday in theater and it really sucks, it was just boring, the action was so stupid, I almost fell asleep there.I didn't saw the first one but this one is soooo ****ing boring.

Crippler

[Labatt]

Just saw it yesterday.

It was ****ing amazing.


I believe Keanu has great skill, and if he started at a young age, he would be FAR Far Far better than Jet Li.

Overall the movie was incredible.

[Greg-VT]

Originally posted by Freeform
Damn America and its presumptitous pre-UK release dates.

I curse you all!!! ;)


Nah man, I saw it first in Australia. And I think we actually got to see it here before the US, with the time zones etc. :D Which ofcourse, I approve of. I understand your frustration, I'm sick the US releases as well. I just try to ignor the US entirely ;).

Plus It was filmed down here... ;)

[Jamo]

Thought it was awesome, but definitely a different approach than the first. The techno-geek in me acknowledges how much more cerebral this one was...more computer references there (made the matrix easier to accept). The fight scenes were there, but they didn't really stir up the emotions that the first one did. CGI was spectacular, double the amount of the first one...all in all a great movie, but I really hope the third one charges me like the first one did.

Jamo

[pgm316]

I've read some good reviews and some bad ones, opinion is very mixed! It was never going to live upto the first, thats what did the damage. IT got 7.7 on IMDB.com which is decent.

Having a stupid director doesn't help, was a bit like saying Rocky could be Tyson! :D

[Greg-VT]

Stupid director?

[pgm316]

:D I was reading the thread VT

The bit were he says Keanu can kick Jet Li's ass!

[Greg-VT]

Hehe ok :D, you mean producer ;)

But yeah, that's just BS. The guy just can't sperate movie Kung Fu to the real stuff.

But, there may be some truth to it.

Keanu proberly picked it up really quick, and on-set, could just do it, with ease. Where Jet would proberly have to do it a couple of times just the get the right angles, timing... etc. So maybe Keanu's movie Kung Fu is better then Jet's. And Mr. Silver just has no clue about the differences or real/movie.

But in a fight? No way, Jet will kick ass.

And Keanu does have some skill, no doubt. And yeah, I'm sure he would be awsome if he did start at an early age.

But, but, but. I counted three..... how abut you? Ok, but thats eight now.

[Spike]

Okay I`ve seen it and it`s okay.
The CGI is very good, but still very obviously CGI, it`s the momentum that they haven`t managed to get right yet.
the fight scenes were pretty cool but nothing about the film really lived up to the hype.
I didn`t like the first one though.

Oh, and far too many slow motion shots. Probably added an extra half hour to the film

[Fuzzy Panther]

I saw Matrix Reloaded this last Sunday. It was okay. There were some really cool scenes and I'm glad I saw it but I thought the first Matrix movie was much better! If I had a choice between seeing X-men 2 for the 3rd time or Matrix Reloaded for the 2nd time, I'd definitly pick X-men 2 because I enjoyed it a lot more. ;)

Fuzzy Panther
:Angel:

[Greg-VT]

Nah, luv the way The Matrix makes my brain really think. The only really bad thing about that is I believe I can understand it all. But when I ask someone else to explain what they think of it all... they don't know. It makes me feel alone :(. I end up having a disscusion about it with myself in my head. :D

[gingerninja]

It was a bit like a beginners guide to philosophy and existentialism.

[carrie]

i love the matrix. The fight sequences are great, and so is the sfx. I like the meaning behind it too, even though no one else seems to appreciate it.

[shadow joe]

i liked it better the 2nd time actually than the first, probably cause I knew what to expect: Kung Fu versus the Machine.



Pretty stellar, the fight scenes we're pretty decent the cast obviously had more training. I like how they didn't make them do traditional anyting really. I mean if we could fly or move around much faster than our opponents we probably would be doing some unique things...




but i'm actually waiting for the hulk :)

[aikiMac]

Originally posted by STASH
It was good, really really good...
For those who have seen it...what was your favourite fight scene?

The "I must apologize" fight. Excellent. I actually believed that Reeves/Neo was a kung fu expert.

[Chank Mo-Kei]

Keanu just really sucks on the fight :P They should have found some other guy to do it. I like better Trinity/ Carrie Ann or that guy with the Oracle.

Keanu go home :PP

[Sub zero]

going to see revolutions this evening.
Hope it's good

[WhiteWizard]

Revolutions is brilliant a great film loads of action some great acting my mr Weaving again i loved it

[Cougar_v203]

tickets better not be sold out or i'll start ww3

[zun]

My brother got pissed cos I told him not to waste his money on tickets. He felt I was setting an expectation!

I'll wait for when it comes out on DVD - and borrow it of someone! :p

[Tireces]

Weaving was great, the action was great, that minor character Mifune was one I loved, even if he was really minor. The attempt at being cryptically meaningful flopped again, though, just like in the last one. I think they focussed on a lot of different things than they should have (namely, things they DID focus on in the first movie, which made me enjoy it a lot more), and the way Neo beat Smith was just...lame. The ending was pretty doofy too. The portrayal of minor roles as essential parts of winning a war and how difficult their jobs really are was something I liked as well.

[Sub zero]

I thought it wass really good.Much better than the second one.I think theres more crytic stuff in there than people think. Who was that character Mifune? I really like sereph.He's very, very hard. Plus the MA looked better in this one than the last one and hardly any of the fight scenes were CGI (apart form the bit where they were flying/fighting othcourse)

[Cougar_v203]

omg the ending music was off da hook.

best part of the movie: neo and smiths air fight

[CKava]

I have to say I really didn't enjoy Matrix Revolutions I thought it was just generally too daft. Why oh why did they have to make them fly! Small things like Neo not really being in too much pain or for that matter concerned that his eyes where melted just made it ridiculous, then there's the amazing amount of CG in the fight scenes as opposed to good ol' choreography- its like in Reloaded the multiple Smith fight was great for the first 5 mins when it was real people then when it turned CG it was just too blatantly fake to be enjoyable. Overall I think they made an excellent first film and then realised they could make some more money and fired out two sub standard seqels (and I have to say I dont really believe that all three where planned from the start).

Though I have to say I really enjoyed Weaving (;)- White Wizard) as Smith he's just a really fun character even in a crappy movie :D

[pgm316]

Just keep telling yourself theres only one Matrix film, put the others out of your mind and do not watch them! :D

[WhiteWizard]

even though he's called Hugo Weaving :D. great film don't care what the wrong people think :D

[Cougar_v203]

ckava now what did you edit :D

[SK12879]

Originally posted by CKava
Overall I think they made an excellent first film and then realised they could make some more money and fired out two sub standard seqels (and I have to say I dont really believe that all three where planned from the start).
Ding ding ding! Winner here! The first one was made and when you watch it, you realize that it is a complete story...beginning, climax, end. Then the 2nd and 3rd were planned because "we can make a buttload off this".

I thought Reloaded was ok (not bad, but not as good as the first)....but compared to Revolutions, Reloaded was a cinematic masterpiece. Hell, Reloaded is Gone with the Wind compared to Revolutions. Revolutions was unbelievably weak. The fights weren't that great, the dialogue was so cliche and corny, and the plot was nearly nonexistant. I felt like I was watching a whole bunch of fight scenes sandwiched with some corny dialogue. Revolutions got away from the whole concept of "What is The Matrix?" There are too many holes and inconsistencies. And was I not the only one that thought Bros. Wachowski were trying to dumb it down for us? All in all, severely disappointed in Revolutions. I will own The Matrix and Reloaded on DVD now that I know I don't want to wait for the trilogy to come out on DVD.

[Cougar_v203]

"Rule number 17. WhiteWizard is to be kicked on sight"


*kicks whitewizard in the forehead* :D

[Cain]

The whole Matrix triology sucked IMO, everyone liked the first matrix because we did'nt know what to expect, the story sucked big time, they went overboard trying to complicate it.

And what kind of an actor is Keanu anyway?????? They should replace keanu with a wooden plank with a smile drawn on it's face then at least the plank would have an excuse to have the same dumb expression everytime......[not my line, courtesy of maddox ;)]

The action woulkd be good if John Woo directed it but no the only positive thing about the movie would be the speacial effects.

|Cain|

[xplasma]

The Matrix Trilogy was writed at the same time, sometime in the mid 90s. Each one have a theme to it, First one was Birth, Second was Life, and Third was Death.

Secondly, you guys have to realize that the Matrix is a Geek Movie. A lot of the concepts for the movie with stolen from a lot of cyber punk lit (Willam Gibson mostly) and HardCore Scifi (Most notablity the Neo blind and getting "new" site was from the Book Children of Dune). The Matrix should of Never of got mainstream, it only did because the movie effects were new and pretty, and MA's talk about it cause if has fight scences.

I have very happy was the trilogy and among by Favorite Movies. But again I am a cyber punk.

[WhiteWizard]

Don't know how you can say the first film is a complete story so they free who they think is the one so what does that mean anything itself no. There is nothing wrong with complicating a plot to challenge the viewer thats the problem with too many films now lets make a simple crappy plot that satisfies all the people who's collective brain power may allow them to turn on a light(thats not aimed at anyone here).

You also have to remember that films 2 and 3 were actually one film. okay they over did the CGI a bit and made a few bits cheesy looking but there was a level of thought put into it okay they have taken things from other stories but is there anything truely original in this world everything comes from somewhere or other built on top of something or something changed about a bit

[SK12879]

Originally posted by xplasma
I have very happy was the trilogy and among by Favorite Movies. But again I am a cyber punk.
Yeah, I'm a computer geek too. It's not that I didn't understand the trilogy. It's that I didn't think the 2nd movies lived up to the first one. Revolutions was especially weak. And it wasn't all sci-fi. There was enough religion and philosophy in those movies to satisfy all but the most hardcore philosophy freaks.

Yes, Cain...Keanu is a ****ty actor, but he actually did a decent job in The Matrix. His lack o' acting skills showed through more in the 2nd and 3rd films.

[totalkayos]

i think the first film could be a complete film on it's own. the second and third ones did't do to much. at the end of the third film i was asking myself where are we now in relation to the first movie. was anything accomplished?

[Greg-VT]

I saw it today.
I didnt really like it. The first and second ones where better.

[Tireces]

Originally posted by Sub zero
. Who was that character Mifune?

He was the toughie general guy leading the dudes in robo-suits who was just content to kick a whole lot of tin plated tail. He was just about the only guy in the movie who wasnt caught up in some overdeveloped philosophical dilemma. He didnt care about Neo, or his powers, or the oracle, he just cared about saving the city by blasting robots. A guy who keeps his mind on the task at hand, my kind of guy.

[WhiteWizard]

Originally posted by totalkayos
i think the first film could be a complete film on it's own. the second and third ones did't do to much. at the end of the third film i was asking myself where are we now in relation to the first movie. was anything accomplished?

but maybe it served its purpose then by questioning if the whole war between robots and machines had a point

[totalkayos]

maybe that is the point. i think even if the ending of revolutions had been more definative it would have been better. did you guys see the animatrix. it was kind of cool. it expalined how the war between machine and man started.

[SK12879]

Yeah, I've got Animatrix. Out of the 9 films, 4 or 5 of them were cool. Others were kinda meaningless or just out there. Final Flight of the Osiris was cool as was the one concerning Zero One.

[aikiMac]

Originally posted by Ving Tsun
I saw it today.
I didnt really like it. The first and second ones where better.
I saw it last night. I didn't really like it. The first and second ones were MUCH better. The only parts I liked in #3 were all scenes where Agent Smith talked (including his human clone Bane). Smith made the movie.

#3 left more questions than it answered. Like, how did Naomi and her crew live? I was sure they died in #2, but here they are again, as if nothing happened. No explanation was given. And at the end of #2 the machines were practically on top of Zion, but yet, wait, nope, the machines are still 24-hours from Zion. And didn't Smith kill that cute little girl? But she showed up again at the end. And what's with this "peace" ? How long will that last? What are the terms? What, we just all put down our guns and pretend the other side isn't really there? No, that's not correct, because exiles like Morpheus are still going to be doing the red pill/blue pill thing. Did Neo die? What are the machines going to do with Neo's body?

This movie sucked, except for Agent Smith. He just beat out Hannibal Lecter for Favorite Villlian Of All Time.

[SK12879]

Let's see...No, Naomi and her team didn't die. That was the 3rd ship that was destroyed. Smith didn't kill Sati (the little girl), the Chinese dude, or the Oracle, he just assumed their bodies with that weird hand in the chest thing. It only destroyed Neo because of the chaos/order thing....Neo is order, Smith is chaos. From a balance perspective, one cannot exist without it's opposite and in destroying Neo, Smith destroyed himself.

The peace makes no sense. The machines are willing to lay down and wait for Neo to fulfill his end of the bargain. It would be more like "we'll call off the dogs when you destroy the virus." If you noticed the construction/destruction (depending on your view) in the background at the end, that would be The Matrix. Based on what The Architect said, it would seem that the humans were being freed and a peace will resume between the humans and machines as existed before (maybe??).

[Greg-VT]

Originally posted by aikiMac
#3 left more questions than it answered. Like, how did Naomi and her crew live? I was sure they died in #2, but here they are again, as if nothing happened. No explanation was given.

All that was explained in the video game.

"You'll never get the full Matrix story"


....without playing the game.

They saw the Oracle (as they said in Rev), they jacked out of the Matrix, and then got attacked by Squids. They crashed, blew the EMP, Squiddies died, they were stuck in a non operational Hovercraft.

Thats the end of the game.

Then you meet up with them again in the last Movie.

[totalkayos]

i think the characters name is niobie not naomie, and i think the peace will last as long as the humans want it to. it was the humans after all the started the war. acording to the animatrix the machines wanted to live in peace all along. as to what they are going to use as a power source now that humans are going to be freed, i don't know. and what are the machnes going to do. tell everyone in the matrix the truth and those that want out will be let out? are they still going to grow human crops. and something else i was thinking about,wouldn't all the people in the human crop look the same. if i were the machines i would just keep cloning people if i were using them for energy. i would care if the dna got watered down or diluted out. i all they have do is lie there and make energy. anyone esle ever think about this.

[ratman]

************************************************** ******************
> > > > Neo is a machine, kinda. He is a human with enhanced genetics,
> > > enhanced implants, and a machine programmed mind (probably based on a "The
> > > One" template program). That's why, at the end of Revolutions, when his
> > > body is being taken away, he is shown as an orange glow. The orange glow
> > > is how
> > > > the machines see each other, and therefore how they see Neo. It is also
> > > how Neo sees Smith inside Bane... he is seeing the machine program of
> > > Smith inside Bane's mind, and therefore it is an orange glow in the shape
> > > of the Smith.
> > > >
> > > > But the orange glow isn't the only reason to believe Neo is a
> > > machine. Throughout the trilogy other hints are given, such as: "His
> > > neural kinetics are way above normal.", "He's a machine.", "Your five
> > > predecessors were by design based on a similar predication...", etc.
> > > >
> > > > So if Neo is a machine, why was he created (as all machines must
> > > have a purpose)? He was created by the Oracle and the Architect to be The
> > > One. As the Architect explains to him: "Your life is the sum of a
> > > remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the
> > > Matrix... Your
> > > > five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a
> > > contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to
> > > the rest of your species, facilitating the function of The One... The
> > > function of The One is now to return to the Source, allowing a temporary
> > > dissemination
> > > > of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program."
> > > >
> > > > Translated, the Architect is explaining that Neo was designed to be
> > > a religious figure to the freed humans, thus causing them to put their
> > > faith (hope) in Neo and to rally around him ("...sum of a remainder...").
> > > This helps to ensure that the freed humans are focused on Neo instead of
> > > war,
> > > > and to keep them all together in one place, Zion (which was built by the
> > > machines for this purpose also). Neo is a form of control in the real
> > > world.
> > > >
> > > > And just to make sure that Neo carries out his part of their plan,
> > > the machines programmed him with "... a contingent affirmation that was
> > > meant to create a profound attachment to the [humans]." This, along with
> > > his enhanced abilities and the "guidance" of the Oracle, keeps him on the
> > > > intended course.
> > > >
> > > > The Architect also states that "The function of The One is now to
> > > return to the Source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you
> > > carry, reinserting the prime program." This simply means that The One
> > > program in Neo's mind is the most important (prime) program in the Matrix,
> > > and that
> > > > now that his mission (purpose) is complete, he must return to the source
> > > for deletion (all machines must have a purpose). The phrase "... temporary
> > > dissemination..." means that the The One program will be used again in the
> > > next version of the Matrix. This is also why Neo's choice of the left door
> > > > will destroy the Matrix, as there can be only one The One in the Matrix
> > > at any time. By staying in the Matrix Neo is preventing it from being
> > > reloaded, as a reload will do nothing without another The One for the next
> > > version. (In programming terms he is the highest priority task, and he
> > > will not
> > > > release the Matrix program's main semaphore.)
> > > >
> > > > OK, so The One is a human with enhanced genetics, enhanced implants,
> > > and a machine programmed mind, and was created by the Oracle and the
> > > Architect to carry out a specific purpose (form of control in and out of
> > > the Matrix) in each iteration of the Matrix. Now let's see how The One
> > > fits in
> > > > with the entire story of the trilogy.
> > > >
> > > > As is explained, the Matrix was created by the Architect, at the end
> > > of the war with the humans, as a way to control the humans and use them as
> > > a power source (I know, hard to believe...). The first Matrix was "...
> > > quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime.", while
> > > the
> > > > second Matrix was redesigned "... to more accurately reflect the varying
> > > grotesqueries of your nature." Basically Heaven and then Hell. In both
> > > cases, however, no conscious choice was given to the humans as to whether
> > > or not they wanted to believe in the reality of the Matrix. This caused
> > > the
> > > > majority of humans to reject the Matrix and die ("... whole crops were
> > > lost.").
> > > >
> > > > To solve this problem the Oracle was created, and realized correctly
> > > that the humans needed to be given a choice: "Thus, the answer was
> > > stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to
> > > investigate certain aspects of the human psyche... she stumbled upon a
> > > solution whereby
> > > > nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they
> > > were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near
> > > unconscious level." So by giving humans a choice, even at an unconscious
> > > level that only 0.1% are ever aware of, they accepted the Matrix.
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately for the machines, however, a majority of the 0.1% who
> > > were aware of the choice usually chose the real world over the Matrix.
> > > "While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus
> > > creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left
> > > unchecked
> > > > might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program,
> > > while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability
> > > of disaster." The machines therefore also needed a way to control the 0.1%
> > > of the humans who chose the real world over the Matrix, thus Zion and The
> > > > One were created.
> > > >
> > > > As was explained earlier, Zion was built by the machines to ensure
> > > that the freed humans would all gather in one place, and The One was
> > > created to be their religious figure, helping to distract them from
> > > renewed war with the machines. Both forms of control.
> > > >
> > > > But even with Zion and The One, the unpredictability of choice
> > > ("systemic anomoly") still forced the machines to occasionally "reload"
> > > the Matrix. This always occurs when The One reaches the Source, which he
> > > can only do after attaining the level of power necessary for him to defeat
> > > the
> > > > Merovingian, obtain the Keymaker, etc. The One program is then
> > > temporarily reinserted into the Source (machine mainframe), in preparation
> > > for the next iteration of the Matrix. In the process the machines gain the
> > > knowledge and experiences of The One, allowing them to better predict the
> > > future
> > > > behavior of the humans, and thus reduce the systemic anomolies.
> > > >
> > > > So that is the situation at the start of the sixth iteration of the
> > > choice-Matrix. Luckily for the humans, however, the Oracle does not want
> > > them to be enslaved in the Matrix any longer, or for the freed humans to
> > > be killed. She therefore decides to take a risk and use Neo to bring about
> > > a
> > > > "revolution".
> > > >
> > > > In M1 (The Matrix) she meets with The One, Neo, as she has done in
> > > the five previous iterations of the Matrix. Normally she simply helps
> > > guide The One to his meeting with the Architect. Except this time the
> > > Oracle gives Neo a special cookie, which he eats. The cookie isn't
> > > actually a cookie,
> > > > though, it's an upgrade to Neo's program. Since the Oracle created the
> > > The One program, she can predict exactly what Neo will do in the future,
> > > specifically how he will destroy Smith (from the inside, with some copying
> > > from Neo to Smith occuring). She therefore includes in the program upgrade
> > > code
> > > > that will give Smith the ability to replicate himself, and for Neo and
> > > Smith to see the future as she does.
> > > >
> > > > In M2 (The Matrix Reloaded) Neo plays out his role as The One,
> > > meeting with the Architect. However, due to his love for Trinity he
> > > chooses the left door, preventing the Matrix from reloading. This was seen
> > > in advance by the Oracle, as she has the ability to predict Neo's behavior
> > > (as
> > > > explained above) as well as human behavior in general (due to the nature
> > > of her program). She therefore told Trinity that she would fall in love
> > > with Neo (in M1), all the while knowing it would eventually cause Neo to
> > > choose the left door.
> > > >
> > > > In M3 (The Matrix Revolutions) the Oracle's plan comes to fruition.
> > > While the machines begin their assualt on Zion (for the sixth time), Smith
> > > continues to replicate himself throughout the Matrix. Neo, on the
> > > otherhand, is stuck in the train station. Apparently, fulfilling his
> > > mission to
> > > > meet with the Architect unlocks some section of his program that allows
> > > Neo to use his enhanced implants to once again become part of the machine
> > > collective (perhaps because of the Oracle's upgrade?). He is therefore
> > > able to sense and control other machines wirelessly. The first example of
> > > this is
> > > > when he stops the sentinels at the end of M2. Since he is not quite
> > > ready to use his new abilities, however, his program gets stuck at the
> > > security checkpoint of the Matrix, the train station.
> > > >
> > > > In the train station Neo meets with Rama Kandra, his wife, and their
> > > daughter Sati. Rama and his wife are both machines from the real world who
> > > can jack into the Matrix, like all other machines, and live human lives.
> > > Sati is a program created by these two machines out of love, which Rama
> > > > explains to Neo is not out of the grasp of the machines. They are on
> > > their way back into the Matrix to leave Sati with the Oracle for safe
> > > keeping, as any program without a purpose is deleted.
> > > >
> > > > After being rescued from the train station by Trinity, Morpheus, and
> > > Seraph, Neo is helped out of the Matrix using the standard jack. While
> > > aboard the Hammer he has another vision of the future, this time of the
> > > three power lines leading from the Matrix power station to 01, the machine
> > > city
> > > > (he is able to see the power lines due to his newfound connection to the
> > > machine collective). He therefore takes the Logos, along with Trinity, and
> > > leaves for 01. Along the way he confronts the stowaway Bane (who has the
> > > Smith program inside of him), and is blinded by him. Although blind, Neo
> > > is
> > > > still able to see other machines (orange glow), including the Smith
> > > program inside Bane, which he uses to defeat Bane. He also uses his power
> > > to control other machines to detonate the bombs fired at the Logos by the
> > > 01 defenses.
> > > >
> > > > Meanwhile Smith is replicating out of control in the Matrix, and
> > > eventually confronts the Oracle after taking over Seraph and Sati. They
> > > have a brief conversation in which he calls her "Mom", referring to the
> > > fact that she helped to create him (along with the Architect) as well as
> > > Neo (part
> > > > of his program now). The Oracle then tells Smith to "Do what you came
> > > here to do.", so he takes over her as well. The newly formed Smith then
> > > stands up and laughs hysterically, foreshadowing the events at the end of
> > > the movie.
> > > >
> > > > Eventually the Logos crashes in 01, but not before Neo gets a
> > > top-down view of the orange glowing city with his newfound machine-vision
> > > (notice the fractal patterns). Unfortunately Trinity is killed in the
> > > crash, and explains to Neo that both of them have been living on borrowed
> > > time. Neo
> > > > since he was ressurected by Trinity, and Trinity since she was
> > > ressurected by Neo. Both are meant to die and Trinity is simply happy for
> > > the oportunity this time to tell Neo how she feels about him. (But shame
> > > on the brothers for killing off Trinity in such a lame way. Couldn't she
> > > have at least
> > > > died trying to save the ship, not just letting it crash!)
> > > >
> > > > Neo then leaves the Logos and enters the machine building into which
> > > it crashed (the building is seen in the same orange glowing
> > > machine-vision). He is then confronted by the Deus Ex Machina, who knows
> > > that Neo is the only one who can stop Smith from destroying the Matrix,
> > > but still shows
> > > > hatred toward Neo (due to the fact that he is mostly human). After a
> > > show of force, the Deus Ex Machina agrees to peace with the humans in
> > > exchange for Neo's promise to destroy Smith. This causes the sentinels to
> > > halt their attack on the Zion temple, the last holdout of the remaining
> > > humans (the
> > > > dock and city have already been destroyed).
> > > >
> > > > The machines then jack Neo into the Matrix, since he has not yet
> > > masterred the ability to do so wirelessly (this theme of Neo having to
> > > learn to use his new abilities runs throughout the trilogy). Neo then
> > > confronts Smith, who says he has seen the future, and that he (the one
> > > particular
> > > > Smith) is the one that defeats Neo. The other Smiths (all of the other
> > > people in the Matrix have now been taken over by him) therefore only watch
> > > as the fight begins.
> > > >
> > > > After a brutal battle Neo is near defeat, but continues to fight.
> > > When asked why he does so, Neo responds "Because I choose to.", echoing
> > > the theme in M2 that "Everything begins with choice." (the only way humans
> > > achieve true freedom). But even though he delivers a stunning punch to
> > > Smith
> > > > which sends him through the ground, Neo is eventually defeated. Before
> > > Smith takes him over he pauses, however, realizing that he has seen this
> > > very moment in his visions, and he already knows what he is going to say.
> > > "Everything that has a beginning has an end..." he mutters confusedly.
> > > This
> > > > causes Neo to realize that the Oracle still exists somewhere inside of
> > > Smith, and that she is partially able to control his thoughts. Taking his
> > > cue from the Oracle, Neo freely gives himself to Smith.
> > > >
> > > > Thus Neo is defeated, and Smith's original purpose, to defeat The
> > > One (which he is never really expected to achieve, which leads to his bad
> > > temperment) is accomplished. Smith therefore no longer has a purpose and
> > > must be deleted. But since programs marked for deletion must return to the
> > > > source, how is Smith to be deleted? Simple, the machines send the
> > > command through Neo, into Smith, using a burst of energy. This causes all
> > > of the Smith clones, and the original Smith, to be deleted, leaving the
> > > original inhabitants of the bodies he has taken over (this is a basic
> > > function of the
> > > > agent programs, that they leave their hosts as they found them, with
> > > death being the only exception).
> > > >
> > > > This then completes another revolution in the Matrix cycle, as The
> > > One has reached the Source and has reinserted the prime program (Neo's
> > > program, his knowledge and experiences). The Matrix is then reloaded back
> > > to it's initial state, the late 20th century.
> > > >
> > > > The Oracle then meets with Sati, Seraph, and the Architect in a park
> > > outside the city as the sun rises over it. The Architect tells her that
> > > she was playing a "very risky game", and she asks him if he will honor the
> > > promise of peace. He says that he will, since he is not human (meaning
> > > > humans do not keep their promises, an insult). This means that those
> > > people who unconsciously become aware of the Matrix and choose to leave
> > > will be freed, and those living in Zion will not be killed. The war
> > > between man and machine is over, or at least suspended.
> > > >
> > > > Looking upon the sunrise the Oracle asks Sati if that was her doing,
> > > and the girl responds that she did it for Neo (made the sun rise).
> > > Apparently Neo's experience with love, which was uploaded from him to the
> > > Source, caused the machines to show pity on Sati and give her a purpose
> > > instead of
> > > > deleting her. She is now in control of the sun. Sati also asks the
> > > Oracle if they will ever see Neo again, and the Oracle replies that they
> > > might, indicating that the The One program will be used again in the
> > > future, as it had been for the previous six iterations of the Matrix. M3
> > > therefore ends
> > > > where M1 began, except that now the humans who become aware of the
> > > Matrix will be freed (a decent compromise if you ask me).

[xplasma]

Originally posted by ratman
In programming terms he is the highest priority task, and he will not release the Matrix program's main semaphore.)



I really like that analogy, too bad only Computer Science Majors with a background in Operating System Programming and/or Theory would understand it.

[Hakko-Ryu]

THANKS RATMAN!!!!! just got back from watching revolutions...heh your post really cleared up alot of things...Good stuff.

[ratman]

Its all part of the unplugging process. Hey its all about choice. lol

[Freeform]

I thought it was pants, except the battle of the dock, that was ok.

Col

[king_dragon]

its just a movie....you don't need to analyze it like shakespeare to enjoy it...

[Anth]

Hallowe'en is over! Leave dead threads dead! :bang: ;) :)

[Topher]

its just a movie....you don't need to analyze it like shakespeare to enjoy it...
True - but the second and third films really did lack storywise. The story was really closed after the first film, which was excellent. I did like the whole concept of the trilogy, but the sequels were poorly done when compared to the first. The philosophy on the other hand was really good - if your into that stuff.

[Kosh]

[QUOTE]Thus Neo is defeated, and Smith's original purpose, to defeat The One (which he is never really expected to achieve, which leads to his bad temperment) is accomplished. Smith therefore no longer has a purpose and must be deleted. QUOTE]

Nah thats not right. Smith was supposed to be deleted before but chose not to be. Why is this time different?

[Dr NinjaBellydance]

I know this thread is waaay old, but I just saw 'Matrix Revolutions' recently and felt the need to say that it's up there with 'Dracula 2000' and 'Dusk 'til Dawn 2' in my list of 'Pishest Movies I Have Seen This Millenium'.
OK, I'm done. :D

[inosanto1]

the hunted kicks arse and so does the blade trilogy, the art of war is a brilliant one as well, good on ya wesley

[aikiMac]

In Matrix III, Jada Pinket Smith pilots a ship around in a long dangerous circle to deliver an electro-magnet bomb that fries all the squids. She takes out the humans' weapons too and pisses off her former boyfriend, but her goal was to fry the squids.

Question: Why'd she drive around in that big circle? I totally missed the point of her having to pilot that ship anywhere at all.

[neb]

Ummm.... Because they started of far away :confused:

Or maybe it's because the squiddies were coming full steam when she banged into that piece of infrastructure. So they had to detour to avoid having the squids landing on them.

Didn't work did it.

[neb]

:) Check out this cool clip from the team at East West Studios & Reel Combat, Pendekar Benitez has the fastest hands I have ever seen!!! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0MPBaP_gWI

what the crap does this have to do with matrix?

[aikiMac]

Ummm.... Because they started of far away :confused:
But did they? :confused: I thought they started at the same place where they set off the bomb. That's why I said "they went in a circle."

[neb]

But did they? :confused: I thought they started at the same place where they set off the bomb. That's why I said "they went in a circle."

You're probably right,

But as I allready said, they detoured a longer way to get rid of the squiddies which were coming from STRAIGHT AHEAD. Which would warrant the detour.

Like, in pacman, a ghost is coming straight to you from the front, so you turn the other way and negotiate a longer way around some obstacles so that the ghost ends up behind you instead of in front and then you can get back to heading to your original destination.

[aikiMac]

Like, in pacman, a ghost is coming straight to you from the front, so you turn the other way and negotiate a longer way around some obstacles so that the ghost ends up behind you instead of in front and then you can get back to heading to your original destination.
But if you're already in the right place, why move at all? Just set of the bomb. :confused: I dunno.

[neb]

Um... I think it's to do with distance, they weren't close enough to Zion to just activate the EMP due to range.

Now if you want to talk about confusing plot developments, answer me this, just why the hell did agent smith blow up after absorping neo? I mean... why? Wasn't explained, can only speculate. Maybe to do with the big baby face machine zapping voltages into neo after he was absorped, or maybe because neo tickled agent smith's funny bone while he was inside him, I just don't know how we're supposed to understand this?

[aikiMac]

Um... I think it's to do with distance, they weren't close enough to Zion to just activate the EMP due to range.
But I thought they were in Zion already. I thought that's where the meetings were held.

Ya, whatever. :D


Now if you want to talk about confusing plot developments, answer me this, just why the hell did agent smith blow up after absorping neo?
I used to be a software programmer, so this I can understand: Smith's program ended. It did what it was programmed to do, and then like all programs that have completed their task, it stopped.

Okay, it stopped in a very colorful way, what with all that light and cracking of skin. Maybe that particular method of self-destruction was part of the Smith program.

[neb]

But... If that's so then didn't Smith know this was going to happen... I mean... Whatever.

And I think in the first Matrix they pointed out that the EMP range was short, like, only a few hundred yards. And they weren't in Zion but about a quarter mile from the entrance.

TO BE CONCLUDED

[Waldo_Pepper]

But... If that's so then didn't Smith know this was going to happen... I mean... Whatever.

But if Smith is a computer progam, wouldn't he just do it anyway, because that's what he's been programmed to do, that was his task.

confusing...

[neb]

Smith was originally programmed to obey the system. Then he went rogue and began doing what the hell he wanted. He wasn't, then, following his programming, he was unplugged, a new man, so to speak, like you, apparantely free... :cool:

[aikiMac]

Smith was originally programmed to obey the system. Then he went rogue and began doing what the hell he wanted. He wasn't, then, following his programming, he was unplugged, a new man, so to speak, like you, apparantely free... :cool:
Well, yes, but Smith was still following the core of his programming: "stop Neo and everyone else who left the matrix." Some of the modules changed (he said so in the movie), but I think it's reasonable to judge from his behavior that the bulk of his modules did not change.

Did I just use "reasonable" in describing The Matrix? :eek: I gotta stop!

[HwaRang]

wel the thing is, nomatter how well you understand the story. or how much sense it makes.
that doesnt make it any good.

[neb]

No, what made it good was fun action direction, involving plot, lots of imaginative action sequences, and morpheus with a samurai sword.

[aikiMac]

No, what made it good was ...
:eek: I'm stunned that you didn't mention Trinity in her skin-tight body suit! :eek:

[inosanto1]

i thought the story was thought provoking but the fight stuff was rubbish or at lease Keanu looked rubbish, i have watchd Equillibrium and bale was far better and the gun trapping was brilliant, it looks like Keanu will get chosen to play Linear in the Ninja series by Lustbader, which is a shame :cool:

[neb]

:eek: I'm stunned that you didn't mention Trinity in her skin-tight body suit! :eek:

Apologies.

And that nifty sex scene... Can I say sex...?

Who else laughed at the fact that Serif kicks faster than Neo in the film, when they fight Neo looks like he's in slow motion compared to Serif :D

"I'm the one"... Well, look like it at least!

[inosanto1]

shame Brandon passed away, the matrix trilogy, fightclub and The ninja would have been ideal vehicles for him :woo: