B.E.A.M System

[Bruce Lee]

Have you guys heard of the B.E.A.M. System?
Heres the beam system:
-take Breath away you win
-take their Eyesight away you win.
-take their Attention away you win.
-take their Motion away you win.

Do you guys use this system in Jeet Kune Do?
I just knew about the system .

[Chazz]

Ive heard that in quick self defence classes ive seen. I never thought about it all that much but just about every style says something like that in teaching

[YODA]

Several guys i know close their eyes anyway when grappling- kinda fine tunes the tactile senses.

Just a spanner in your works :D

[Bruce Lee]

Yoda when you said kinda fine tunes the tacticle senses are you saying that it helps them when they close their eyes?

[Brad Ellin]

I'd have to change that to the B.A.M. system. Take my breath away I'm dead ( or your gorgeous!); take my attention away, I might as well hand you my head on a plate; take my motion away, we have a saying "when you stop moving, you die". But, take my eye sight away? I train blindfolded in a few exercises. Grappling and punch evasion. As Yoda pointed out, going "blind" fine tunes the tactile senses, and the not so tactile. You develope a "feel" not related to the sense of touch, of where and how your opponent is positioned.

[simonlarcombe]

I agree with you Yoda and Kuronana BAM it is :D

[Scotty Dog]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that system from Karate Kid three. You know the bit when the dodgy Steven Segal look alike is coaching Daniel-san before exopsing his EVIL plan.

ahem!!!!!!
not that I've ever watched that film......
or bought the tape......
or memorised the script.......

I think I'l just shut up now :)

[Bruce Lee]

Ya but what if the guy has a weapon?Should they still close their eyes?I'm just saying like a weapon fight you shouldnt close your eyes.

[Andy Murray]

Yoda was talking about closing your eyes when grappling Bruce, but you knew that didn't you, you little rascal you?

[Brad Ellin]

Well, Mr. Lee, if your training is good and your skills developed enough, a weapon should not make a difference. Plus, the point was not if you should close your eyes (voluntary reaction)but, if your sight was taken from you (involuntary action). However, for point of clarification, if you and I were to fight, and I was to take away your sight, would up give up? Would you give up if you knew it meant you were going to die? The human body is capable of some remarkable things when it's existence is at stake.

[br00ster]

ello,
Kurohana:D
I gotta disagree bro`(or maybe i read it wrong)i think a weapon of any sort would make a hell of a difference!:woo:

I've witnessed ppl training chi-sao an turning their heads away like there soo good at it they don't need to look at whats going on:(
Same with set knife drills at corto/hubud range they look away because they know which angle/strike is coming next etc....
I CAN see the point in closing your eyes whilst groundfighting because you can't see much anyway,but only ppl at a higher level imho.
Rickson Gracie told my old instructer about it an called it "body chess" which sounds cool but he's been training since he was born:D
IMHO i would'nt fancy anyone's chances in a fight if they lost their sight!!!!

just my 2c's worth:love:

[Brad Ellin]

I understand what you're saying br00ster. I'm not advocating closing one's eyes and trying to fight. My point, and maybe I didn't make myself clear enough, is if you're sight is removed, do you give up and die? I would not want to. I do blindfolded exercises, to heighten my awareness of my surroundings. Fighting "blind" I am a bit more confident of my abilities in a fight. BUT I am not stupid enough to fight someone with a weapon, unless I have a bigger one. Sighted or not. The point being, if someone takes away your sight, you are not neccesarily finished in a fight. You still have a chance. Kick them in the closest proximty of the groin and run/crawl in the opposite direction. Scream for help. But, don't give in just because you can't see them. By the way, if you don't train it, try it. Otherwise, if you ever do become blinded in a fight, you just might then have a fighting chance.

[br00ster]

My appoligies Kuro,
I understand now,and yes your right:D

[YODA]

I was talking about a "training method" not a fighting tactic.

Closing your eyes whilst grappling forces you to use tactile sensitivity - which is a vital attribute in groundfighting - with or without a weapon. I train & spar both - and you Bruce?

[Bruce Lee]

I train but dont spar yet.

[Joe karate]

Sparring should be part of your training, if your not sparring how are you gonna get a feel for technique?

[Bruce Lee]

Sparring is like training with a partner right?

[Andy Murray]

Originally posted by Bruce Lee
Sparring is like training with a partner right?

Yeah, except he touches you more, in the way only another man could!

[Bruce Lee]

So what you're saying is sparring is when you block alot and you punch sometimes.

[pesilat]

Originally posted by Bruce Lee
So what you're saying is sparring is when you block alot and you punch sometimes.

Uhh ... no. Sparring is fighting without serious intent to injure/maim/kill. It's "friendly" fighting (though, often, your "friends" will hit you far harder than your worst enemy is capable of). Usually there are rules for safety, but basically, it boils down to freeform training against an unwilling partner who's trying to hit you back.

Though you can also do isolated sparring where you are, for instance, only allowed to use one punch or one lock, or maybe just a handful of techniques from your toolbox, and your opponent can use anything. Or maybe your opponent is restricted as well. This type of training is used to hone specific tools.

Sparring is vital if you ever intend to be able to really use your material. But never confuse the ability to spar with the ability to fight. The ability to spar is only an vague indicator of your ability to fight; it's not a guarantee that you won't freeze up or faint or wet yourself when the poo really hits the fan. But sparring (specifically, full contact with minimum rules or no rules) is the closest we can come to fighting without going out and getting in a fight.

Mike

[pesilat]

Originally posted by Kurohana
I'd have to change that to the B.A.M. system. Take my breath away I'm dead ( or your gorgeous!); take my attention away, I might as well hand you my head on a plate; take my motion away, we have a saying "when you stop moving, you die". But, take my eye sight away? I train blindfolded in a few exercises. Grappling and punch evasion. As Yoda pointed out, going "blind" fine tunes the tactile senses, and the not so tactile. You develope a "feel" not related to the sense of touch, of where and how your opponent is positioned.

Ahh, but an attack to the vision (i.e.: the eyes) will usually cause the attention to waver.

When I intend to finish a fight quickly, I attack vision, air, and mobility. Not necessarily in that order, and I attack each of them as quickly, ruthlessly, and often as possible until the fight is done.

But an attack to the vision need not be limited to a finger jab (which is the most commonly associated attack to the eyes). I may just slap my hand over their eyes or throw a piece of cloth in their face. Whatever. Most people (most that I would ever end up really fighting, anyway) will reflexively try to clear their vision. While they do that, I can attack their air and mobility.

Mike

[YODA]

Bruce - a question if I may....

How old are you?

[Bruce Lee]

Young guess 0-20.Never mind I'm 11yrs old shocked.

[pesilat]

Originally posted by Bruce Lee
Young guess 0-20.Never mind I'm 11yrs old shocked.

Shocked? Not at all. I was actually figuring in the range of 12.

Mike

[Bruce Lee]

How old are you guys? I'm guessing 21-35.

[Solane]

Originally posted by br00ster
ello,

I've witnessed ppl training chi-sao an turning their heads away like there soo good at it they don't need to look at whats going on:(
Same with set knife drills at corto/hubud range they look away because they know which angle/strike is coming next etc....

:

Another reason for not looking directly at your opponent is that your peripheral vision is far better at picking up movement than your direct vision.
So look at their chest or forhead or over their shoulder.
You will find yourself reacting to their attacks far quicker than if you are watching their hands or feet.

This also means if you are looking at their hands or a weapon for example you are more likely to miss or react to late to a kick attack. So the trick is not to focus on anyone posible attack, hence look where I suggested and you can react to all posible attacks.

Solane

[pesilat]

Originally posted by Bruce Lee
How old are you guys? I'm guessing 21-35.

<g> Well, with a 14 year range, you're bound to get a lot of people. I turn 32 in May.

Mike

[HKD]

there are to many people that get training drills and fighting mixed up there is a different. (ex. punching in horse dtance is a drill, U would not i hope fight like that)

HKD

[ff_mattjones]

yea,
I agree with Yoda..
Tactile sense are good,really good, something I have yet to master. Has any one actually mastered them, Is it possible???

also weapon fighting is the same as un-armed fighting, fist and feet are arms am I right???

[pesilat]

Originally posted by HKD
there are to many people that get training drills and fighting mixed up there is a different. (ex. punching in horse dtance is a drill, U would not i hope fight like that)

HKD

Yup. This is a common problem.

I've run into quite a few people who claim to "know" higot hubud lubud (sensitivity/trap hands drill from FMA - analogous to Wing Chun's Chi Sao but with different details/flavor).

Often, they're clueless. What they're doing is a complicated game of patty-cakes. They have no intent or understanding. No depth. They're completely lost in the drill.

This is true of many things. I'm sure Wing Chun guys run into people who are the same with Chi Sao. Or Karate guys run into people who are the same with their forms.

They go through the motions of the drill, but they don't really explore them (much less pressure test the lessons learned in them).

Mike

[keep on flowing]

Yoda when you said kinda fine tunes the tacticle senses are you saying that it helps them when they close their eyes?
i think it's very disrespectful to use lee jun fan american name. at least i don't think it very cool. get your own name

[keep on flowing]

to the pereson that likes to use bruce lee's name as a log on name. your disrespectful and not cool. does anyone else this this way?

[LS]

personally I am not offended .. as so long there are some educated posters on here that they would be able to know the fact that bruce is long dead, it wouldn't be as offensive as some would think .. tha's my take though .

[hkphooey]

I understand closing your eyes during training and think it is a pretty good idea, though the thought of losing your sight in a fight can be something much more different than just eyes being closed. Most people talking about taking the attackers sight are usually doing so by means of a violent manner; strike, gouge, hot coffee...etc... And that would be much different then just having your eyes closed, since pain to the eyes can be severe and very distracting.

Again, I think training without using your sight can be produtive as long as you keep in mind the reality of having injured eyes.

[shuyun3]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that system from Karate Kid three. You know the bit when the dodgy Steven Segal look alike is coaching Daniel-san before exopsing his EVIL plan.

ahem!!!!!!
not that I've ever watched that film......
or bought the tape......
or memorised the script.......

I think I'l just shut up now :)yes it was. but that was the film making fun of JKD (IMO) since it was modern and iconoclastic. The point of the film it wasn't new technique that won but your heart. They've got a point there! But BEAM is useful and whether or not you train in blind fighting i guess the objective is to take out the eyes (soft spot) thats about 1.5 to 2 seconds distraction for most people (of course not to master yoda and ninja mod I definitely believe you and I respect that) and in many street fights it works. i once stoped a street fight with the B part. but it wasn't their lungs i attacked -- nope i went right for the nose. whether or not they still breathed was beside the point the broken nose was enough opportunity to finish them (or run away which I did).

BEAM -- BAM ---- apply what's useful. and let Bruce use sifu Lee's name for crying out loud the admin is here and he's not making a fuss out of it right. Heck he's named YODA! (Can I get a lightsaber now can I? can I? huh? huh? puuleasee?)