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gerard
08-Sep-2004, 10:32 AM
Hi guys,

This happened to me only a couple of times because I am living in the city and achieving 100% relaxation in the morning is quite difficult due to academic constraints. However a couple of times I achieved that state when practising Zhan Zhuang and interestingly when the alarm watch sounded (after standing for 1/2) it seemed to me that only a couple of minutes went by. Other times though 15 minutes seem to be like 1 hour. So I was thinking here that still Qigong may hold the question theoretical physicists have been claiming for the last 20 years which is that time does not exist. The second explanation would be that time doesn't get involved because Qigong opens up a certain gate without the practitioner's volitive cognition, which allows them to merge into the Universal consciousness concept (C. Jung). In other words you don't realise that time is running because mind and matter have actually merged into a new state (universal mind beyond) similar to what has been described in Quantum Physcics as the unphysical ONE entity, which is somehow lingering over each and every extended quantum object. A good example would be this one:


"Let's imagine an Eskimo who has never seen and will never see an
elephant in his life, but who can nevertheless make observations on an
elephant's trunk by means of two complemental devices: "nose" and
"arm". In the course of these observations the Eskimo will find out that
the elephant's trunk is something pretty similar to both "nose" and "arm",
but he would never fully comprehend the notion of "trunk" due to what
Wolfgang Pauli called (explaining the notion of "spin") klassisch nicht
beschreibbare Zweideutigkeit. In our case, when we change our "arm"
(psyche), we change the "trunk", and instantaneously the "nose" (our
brain/body/outer physical world) is changed due to its entanglement with
the "arm" via the "trunk" (the Universal Mind). If the "nose" changes, the
"arm" does in the same way, via their common source".



Good references to check are the following:

1. H. Atmanspracher and H. Primas (1997). The Hidden Side of Wolfgang Pauli. Journal of Scientific Exploration 11(3) 369-386; cf. Sec. VI. Matter and Psyche as Two Aspects of One Reality, 381.

2. R. Ruyer (1946). Element de Psycho-biologie. Paris: P.U.F.; R. Ruyer (1967). Evolution and cybernetics. Annee Biol. 6(9), 557-572.

3. H. Margenau (1940). Reality in Quantum Mechanics. Philosophy of Science. (16), 287.



Any personal experiences in this area?


Gerard.

nzric
09-Sep-2004, 03:17 AM
Um, no.

IMHO Qigong is relaxation/meditation. Your brain waves change to a different rhythm and your conscious thought slows. As your conscious thought is irregular, you're specifically trying to disrupt your own perception of continuous time, therefore it's not surprising that you lose track of the clock.

Sometimes I go to sleep for 8 hours and when I wake up to go to work I feel like I've only been asleep an hour. It doesn't mean I've managed to break the fabric of space/time.

MartialArtsSnob
09-Sep-2004, 05:11 PM
Gerard,
I know exactly what you mean. A few years ago I was working with a guy down in Florida and we got into posting for long periods of time (at least for me). We would start at 5:00am or so and post till 6:30 then finish off the session with a round of the CMC form. After 4 or 5 months of this I had to stop because it was getting really freaky, days seemed to last for weeks. By tuesday I would be thinking it had to be Friday, it was like I was stuck in some kind of state of suspended time. At first it was just kind of cool but after a while (what seemed like an eternity) I just could not take it anymore. In retrospect I wish I did not stop because it was quite probably the best period of my training to date. I felt like I was loosing me mind though!

I think that nzric has the right idea as to an explanation though.

nzric
10-Sep-2004, 03:22 AM
Nothing against those who do qigong for a long time. I've got a lot of respect for ya if you regularly train like that and I've got absolutely no doubt that it seems like time speeds/slows. It's just important to see it for what it is (i.e. irregular patterns of brain activity disrupt your own perception of the passage of time)

simonlarcombe
10-Sep-2004, 09:44 AM
Hi Gerard

This can be a nice side-effect. I've noticed things like this in everyday life.

Try not get "hooked" on side effects like this, from experience I can tell you that it can be incredibly detrimental to your practice and state of mind.

gerard
11-Sep-2004, 12:18 PM
I don't know. It's probably a side effect. But what if qigong touches the other side of the door.


Interesting. Anyway guys, be aware that we live determined by the senses: smell, taste, thought, hearing and touch. Beyond that a new experience exists, just waiting...

MartialArtsSnob
13-Sep-2004, 11:58 AM
Interesting. Anyway guys, be aware that we live determined by the senses: smell, taste, thought, hearing and touch. Beyond that a new experience exists, just waiting...

Well said,

"It's a dangerous buissiness walking out ones front door"

LilBunnyRabbit
13-Sep-2004, 12:09 PM
So I was thinking here that still Qigong may hold the question theoretical physicists have been claiming for the last 20 years which is that time does not exist. The second explanation would be that time doesn't get involved because Qigong opens up a certain gate without the practitioner's volitive cognition, which allows them to merge into the Universal consciousness concept (C. Jung). In other words you don't realise that time is running because mind and matter have actually merged into a new state (universal mind beyond) similar to what has been described in Quantum Physcics as the unphysical ONE entity, which is somehow lingering over each and every extended quantum object.:bang:

MartialArtsSnob
13-Sep-2004, 12:14 PM
Sloooowwwwlllllyyyyyy backing away from the bunny with the big nasty teeth.........

MrToes
16-Sep-2004, 07:02 AM
No, you're just relaxed. Also if time really seems to zip by you may just be tired. If I find time disappearing like that it normally means I need more sleep.

daftyman
16-Sep-2004, 07:34 AM
Time's all to do with the theory of relativety

Y'know....you go visit your annoying relatives and time just drags by at a snails pace.

The you go see the cool, fun relatives and the time just disappears!

Must be quantum I reckon!


Useless bit of trivia for the day:
Uranus was nearly called....







George!
(Bill Bryson - A short History of Nearly Everything)

But seriously, time doesn't change, just your perception.

Time doesn't exist? Try telling your boss that when your an hour late! :D