Good Combo

[Cougar_v203]

What are some good combos that would work in an actual fight?

[pesilat]

Originally posted by Cougar_v203
What are some good combos that would work in an actual fight?

One that I land quite a bit is what Wing Chun would call a "Jao Sao." I throw a low jab. If they drop a hand to cover it, I change it to either a hook or a backfist (depending on which hand they use) and often land the shot through the opening they provide. If they don't try to block it, then I just hit them with the jab :)

Another is to trap one hand to their chest with one hand while firing a punch with the other. When they parry the punch, I slide forward to trap with my punching hand while using my forearm to maintain the trap.

These are a couple that I find work pretty regularly for me.

Mike

[Cain]

A front thrust kick to the plexus, land the kicking foot forward, and then execute a side snap kick with the other leg to the rib cage area

A straight blast with random targets

|Cain|

[pesilat]

I also like an evasion to the outside of a punch, a stomping kick through the side that grazes the side of the knee, then, with the other foot, sweep them.

Mike

[TkdWarrior]

Best Combo:
Hit`em, Pound`em, Ground`em

i hav seen some Wing Chun trapping n use those as good combo's(some similar to wat Mike Described)
anyways i'll say find one technique practice it untill u can use it against any kind of oppnt(smaller,taller, stronger, fatty) n then sparr with lots of ppl...
just look boxing hav only 3-4 punches n they are all devestating...

-TkdWarrior-

[Cougar_v203]

stomping kick?

[TkdWarrior]

where u lift ur kick something like side kick n then stomp on knee(side of knees)
-TkdWarrior-

[pesilat]

Actually, the stomping kick I was referring to is from the other side of the triangle from what TKD describes (though it's the same principle).

Stand facing a person's right side (i.e.: they're facing north and you're on the east side of them, facing west). Now, kick to the outside of their right knee with the heel of your right foot. That's the stomping kick I was referring to. Like I said, same principle as TKD's, but taking a different line.

Mike

[Shadow_Fox]

so basically its just a side kick but aimed at the knee?

[LilBunnyRabbit]

i.e.: they're facing north and you're on the east side of them, facing west

What happens if you don't have a compass handy, or is it an innate power you develop as time goes on?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Cain]

First of all I just think it's this way....not sure....

A side kick with the force aimed downwards rather than outwards, I prefer kicking when my opponent is in the opposite stance, that time I can stomp my foot downwards to the outside of the attackers knee......GAH! videos would probably explain it better......

Oh ya, in mortal kombat 4 the torture of Jax and Jarek, they perform this same exact kick...

|Cain|

[SpongeBob]

Good jab,

from there you can set up any combination of attacks.
Follow on punches, leg kicks, step in to knee/elbow, shoot the legs, whatever :D

One of my faves is jab to the face, hook to the chin then low thai kick/knee to the thigh.

[johndoch]

A good Jab - Cross combination is very important.

It can be used in various ways such as jab low - cross high, jab high - cross low, or as an attack, counter-attack, stop hits etc.

IMHO I would say you should be able to jab - cross at a good level on the bag and sparring before moving on to complex combinations involving hooks and uppercuts etc.

[SpongeBob]

Originally posted by johndoch
A good Jab - Cross combination is very important.

It can be used in various ways such as jab low - cross high, jab high - cross low, or as an attack, counter-attack, stop hits etc.

IMHO I would say you should be able to jab - cross at a good level on the bag and sparring before moving on to complex combinations involving hooks and uppercuts etc.

Total agree :d

Start simple, add a few more, but always looking to keep it as simple as possible but comprehensive to.

[pgm316]

I agree with Doc, the quality of many peoples punches is poor, especcially when compared to a boxing student of equal training.

First I'd say learn how to throw good combinations of punches, jabs, cross's, hooks, uppercuts. Then move on to more complex stuff like faints, covers, grabs and kicks in the combo.

And Rhythm is an important part of any combo! :)

[pesilat]

Originally posted by Shadow_Fox
so basically its just a side kick but aimed at the knee?

The one that I'm using isn't a sidekick. It's an "oblique" kick. Or, in silat, it's a "depok." In Kali, it's a "tadjak" (though tadjak could also bee the sidekick variation that you're thinking of, too).

I'd be connecting with the instep side of my heel.

I had this on video but I can't currently find it. I'll try to put it on video later and get a link to it.

Mike

[TkdWarrior]

shadow fox imagine something like throwing a tantrum
here u r throwing it on person's knee ;) :D
-TkdWarrior-

[pesilat]

OK

Here's a video of the technique I was talking about :)

http://www.impactacademy.com/videos/Depok_to_Sapu_Luar.wmv

Mike

[Cougar_v203]

ooo ok thanks for the helpful tippy.
my sn at school is shadow fox and my home sn is cougar just to let you know.

[Shadow_Fox]

i've been trying these few combos of my own Tell me if they are good

left Jab to Face
Right Cross to chin
Right Crescent Kick to side of head
Spinning Side Kick to the stomach area

[johndoch]

Hey shadow

Do you mean in competition or street?

I would say that your combo would maybe work in a competition (TKD etc) if done correctly. But I would nt say it was a street technique.

Looking at the cresent kick followed by the spinning kick I would say this is the weakest part of the combo. Firstly the spinning kick will only work if you get a good hit with the cresent kick and your opponent falls back into the right range for your spinning kick or you adjust your footwork to get the right range for the spin kick, or the cresent acts as a feint and your opponent backs off into spin kick range.

The combo seems to start at boxing range then goes to kicking range. What do you think of this?

IMO I think its good to approach combo training keeping ranges in mind.

[pesilat]

Originally posted by johndoch
The combo seems to start at boxing range then goes to kicking range. What do you think of this?

IMO I think its good to approach combo training keeping ranges in mind.

Absolutely.

Not sure if you were questioning the choice of going from mid range to long range or not, but if you were (or if anyone else is), here are a couple of practical reasons for doing it.

Boxing range to kicking range is possible. If, in the combo posted, the cross lands solid, it's liable to knock the guy out of punching range and into kicking range. Or maybe the guy drops back to evade the cross and puts himself in kicking range.

Mike

[Cougar_v203]

I did this all in 3rd period today so I couldn't finish.
ok heres the complete

left jab to face
Right Cross To Chin (if they duck the move I would follow it up with a knee to the face)
Left Hook to face
and a fast spinning backfist with the right hand.

sorry i didn't say this before.

[pgm316]

Although the crescent kick mentioned could be used to knock the guard away, or to try and kick away a weapon. Leaving an opening for the back kick, otherwise it would be difficult to land both kicks.

Would it be better to do the kicks first in the combo, from the longer range, then moving in once you've softened them up a bit??

If so, I'd rather start with a safer kick, a fast low body kick!

[johndoch]

Pesilat said - "Boxing range to kicking range is possible. If, in the combo posted, the cross lands solid, it's liable to knock the guy out of punching range and into kicking range. Or maybe the guy drops back to evade the cross and puts himself in kicking range."

Yep totally agree.

Its important to understand aspects of range and timing in combos as they cover a variety of situations from long to short range and from short to long range. The more you appreciate this when training on the bag or pads the more it helps when it comes to fighting. But it comes down to the basics we must have the basic combos well and truly before we move onto the higher level combos.

Short to medium can be practised on the focus pads R-Uppercut to L-Hook to R-Cross to L-Jab (left jab is not a power shot but is used more to stop your opponent getting into a rythmn to counter). This drill can be trained backwards to go from medium to short range and is good when feeder and striker are not static. Add kicks to truly cover the long range factor but kicks are better basic :)

[Shadow_Fox]

The Reason I don't kick first is because the guy might catch my foot and Hit me in the balls. Now if I punched first that would weaken them enough to land some kicks.

[johndoch]

quote shadowfox - "The Reason I don't kick first is because the guy might catch my foot and Hit me in the balls. Now if I punched first that would weaken them enough to land some kicks."

You should mix up your combos so your opponent doesn't know whats coming next. If you limit your combos to always starting off with punches you will be less effective. About getting caught with low blows, as PGM said keep your kicks lower (safer) then they will be faster and less telegraphed.

[pgm316]

Like Doc said, keep em mixed, although in "the street" a few fav's should be enough.

How about;

Faint a punch, low kick, move in to boxing range for a 3 punch combo and finish with a big move, kick/elbow/knee/lock/takedown etc

[Cougar_v203]

I don't know how to faint

[johndoch]

Feinting comes with experience.

Its basically throwing a strike to get a reaction. Its not really intended to land. Say we are sparring and I throw a front kick intending to hit you and I miss because you side step to the right. If I throw a few front kicks during the course of the fight and you still side step in the same manner I should recognise this. The feint would now be the front kick. for example I can front kick now with the emphasis on your reaction. I could now kick and as I'am not bothered about hitting with the kick I can reduce the power in the kick allowing me to recover my balance quicker and catch you with say a left hook as you side step right.

Thats why its important to try and vary your defensive game and not react like a robot as someone tries to hit you.

[Cain]

No typos guys,

It's feint and not faint, like cougar and pgm said :D

I can successfully faint easily but not feint easily :p

|Cain|

[pgm316]

Well spotted cain, I thought they were the same word until now!

:D

[Cougar_v203]

So let me see if i have this right, you throw a kick with the intention of kicking someone but you stop your kicking leg from makeing contact with the opponent and when they are trying to block your kick you immediatly throw a right/left punch. Is this correct?

[Andy Murray]

Originally posted by Cougar_v203
What are some good combos that would work in an actual fight?

In essence, any combo that works in a fight is a good combo!

So how do you make a combo work?

You train it, you develop it. Something I find useful is to have your partner spot for you. Ask them to react as soon as you move, then find out what it was that they reacted to and see if you can eliminate it.

In kung Fu we like combinations to flow from one technique to another. If, for example, you started your combo with a Jab/Cross, the stretch across the body of the longer 'crossing' side might naturally drag up the leg from that side to be used to kick.

Combo's might attack the same area with every technique, or mix up low/hi strikes.

Try mixing up the timing, so you don't habitually throw every technique with the same interval in between.

I don't feel you can apply the same combo successfully against every opponent, so you have to read your them, and set them up.

Anyone got ideas on how to set up your opponent?

[pgm316]

Originally posted by Cougar_v203
So let me see if i have this right, you throw a kick with the intention of kicking someone but you stop your kicking leg from makeing contact with the opponent and when they are trying to block your kick you immediatly throw a right/left punch. Is this correct?

You could do! As Andy mentioned, any combo that works is a good combo. So if you can make this work why not.

I think its more common to feint punches than kicks, probably because its easier to flick a punch out than loose mobility while feinting kicks.

I think a good and easy opening for combo's etc is to feint a punch at kicking range leaving a opening for a kick while there reacting to the punch that was never in range :)

You must have some good ones Andy!

[eninpodotcom]

Here's a good combo:

1. A handful of whatever you can grab and toss at you opponent's face... coupled with...

2. Nikejutsu

[Shadow_Fox]

I just Tried this on a friend while we were bowling ;) and it went something like this:
Low Kick to knee joint followed by another but my friend tried to block so i stopped and bailed the kick to a right hook and caught my friend off guard.