Kyokushinkai

[Saz]

Just out of interest, does anyone else who hangs out here practise kyokushinkai karate?

Osu

Sarah

[Chazz]

I havent heard of that kind of Karate but ide sure like to hear more about it

-Chazz

[Freeform]

I trained down the gym a couple of years ago with some guys who practice kyokushinkai in a few impromptu sparring matches, a good hard style.

[Saz]

If you wanna know more about it chazz, drop me a line, or read that article I scribbled for the basics of it. Its pretty similar to Shotokan and Goju Ryu...full contact sparring and knockdown training mostly. Sean Connery, Mohammed Ali and Nelson Mandela have all studied it at some point, so it can't be all bad :)

Osu

Sarah

[Andy Murray]

Dolph Lundgren and the bass player from the stranglers I believe as well. Didn't know about the others you mention though KG.

Andy

[Saz]

Apparently they did train in Kyokushinkai, and a few other "famous" people... i think Nelson Mandela is an honarary 8th Dan or something like that... repesct! :)

[kurokage]

Hello everyone, I would like to know what training exercises the Kyokushinkai Karate practioners utilize to strengthen their shins? I have my own regime that I do, but I would like to know what other methods are currently being used.

Respectfully,

Matt

[kurokage]

Hello Andy,

I knew that Dolph Lundgren was a Yondan under Mas Oyama Sensei in 1992. I physically saw him at the 1992 Kyokushinkai International Karate Tournament at the Budokan in Japan permorming breaking demonstrations. I am unsure of his current rank though after Mas Oyama Sensei's death. He was quite impressive. In fact, I had a friend of mine record the tournament off of Japanese television, while I attended in person, as video-taping was not allowed. This is the year in which Kenji Midori fought Matsuda for Grand Champion and won over Matsuda in a decision. As in the rules of Kyokushinkai Karate Tournament competition, they were taken to the scale and weighed, as no clear winner was decided upon. Midori san was the lighter opponent and won the decision. He and Matsuda san fought a very close match, not taking away anything from either competitor. Also Mas Oyama performed the Kata Sanchin. This was the highlight of the entire event. I feel very fortunate to have had the opportunity to experience seeing Mas Oyama Sensei, in person, and only wish I had taken my book "This Is Karate" with me to have him autograph it before his passing. It will be a memory, nevertheless, that I will never forget.

Respectfully,

Matt

[Saz]

What exersizes do you currently do? A lot of our exersizes comes from developing a strong low stance, such as Kida Dachi, or Neko Ashi Dachi (I got yelled down on my last grading for my stance). We also use weights and do Mawashi Geri's on Mariwaka to strenghten them. There is a section on conditioning in Sosai's book 'Mas Oyama's Complete Karate Course'. I think the b/f's nicked it at the mo, so when I get it back I'll look up shin exersizes for you.

Stances we mainly use to strengthen our legs are, kokustu dachi (backwards leaning stance), Neko Ashi dachi and Kiba dachi. We tend to go into them very low, so we're practically sitting down. Neko Ashi Dachi is good in particular for the shins, as so much weight so put on the legs in such a short stance. Ke-Age geris are also used pretty much soley for exersize (we often a few hundred as a warm up)

Hope this helps, do u practice any Kyokushinkai yourself? :)

Osu! :)

[SaiMaster]

I encountered several sites during some of my searches. Kyokushin kai is a pretty hard core deriviative of shotokan. Very similar to chidokan as well.

Both groups do many of the traditional shotokan katas.

The differences crop up in the approach to training. How hard the work is and how highly conditioned the participants are.

[Saz]

Pratically all of our kata's come from Shotokan, some of the higher grade one's come from Goju Ryu and maybe one or two other styles

[Kendo_Cougar]

What is that?
I never heard of that long name. is that a karate of handstand? thats new around.

[Adam]

I practiced it for about year and a half then quit for personal reasons. I liked it very much, nice bare nuckle fighting and thigh kicks. Very traditional style, much emphasis on discipline and strength. Best thing was the no head punches rule, I hate the way I start seing flashes.

[Saz]

Why did you stop Adam? I like the no head punches rule too, although the jodan mae geris' to the head aren't the best alternative :)

[Bon]

Nope, I don't... but, I train with a guy who has a first or second dan in kyokushin karate. He is one hard, guy!

[Killerbee]

I practise kyokushinkai, I love it, I went from judo to shtotkan to kyokushinkai and its the best thing so far.

[Saz]

I went from Kyokushinkai, to TKD to Judo and Shotokan then back to Kyokushinkai again. Shotokan was the next best thing I found, but for me its the most suitable art I've found so far :D

Welcome by the way

[Killerbee]

thanks alot, what I dont like about shotokan is its over emphasising of kata and its teaching of unrealistic fighting concepts. Kyokushinkai is just the best thing there is, I love it when were training and it just feels like im about to collapse but I need to keep pushing myself, we never did that in shotokan or judo.

[Freeform]

Depends on the club mate. At my Judo club we train hard enough that people have been known to throw up. As for the Shotokan, thats club dependant to. Although I have been to a total of 8 Kyokushinki classes in my life and they were gooooooooood :D

[paul paterson]

Osu,
Hello KG, how are you? long time no hear...

Did you take part in the BKK Annual Kata comp at Reading? if you did how did you do?

A story that was told to me by my Mentor and great friend Sensei Albert Burton was. When he was being taught by Shihan Arneil (osu) back in the old days. In order to perform strong and correct mae geri chudan and jodan they would kick over a fencing post that had a nail sticking out of it, if you became tired and weak and the leg lowered. Then you would catch yourself on the nail and rip your calfs to bits, from then you make dam sure that you do those mae geri's good and proper. It sounds like torture but it works...now children do not do this, okay. Anyway, Sensei Burton mae geri is one mean ***ch. Have you KG ever heard from the more senior grades from the old days what they ever got upto? It might be worth putting it down on the web, who knows..

Osu.
Paul Paterson.

[Saz]

Osu Paul,

I'm doing good, how are you? Hows you're training going?

I didn't go to the Kata at Reading, I had exams and stuff. I was gutted, I really wanted to go this year. I did go to the Nihon Shobu. I went out in the first round, almost got my butt kicked right back to Cardiff (must train harder) but I had a good time there, including getting a telling off from Hanshi for sitting too close to the mat :D

We do a similar thing with Mae Geri's, we do them over chairs and things... less dangerous, but it still hurts if you miss! I've got a dent in my shin from missing one.. I never did it again :D

I can't think of any stories right off the top of my head, I've definitely been told some... the one about being breaking sticks on you during Sanchin No Kata sticks in my mind most, but thats old. Some of the stories border on student abuse :D

All kyokushinkai sensei's seem to have a stack of them. I'll remember them next time I hear them and post them :)

[paul paterson]

Osu,

Sorry to hear that you didn't go the the kata comp at Reading, see pictures in this months Tradtional Karate Mag. The Nihon Shobu is good but it sounds like you have to practice those kicks. One way to build up stamina and technique is to get the lower grade to take off their top half of their Gi and spin it into a tight and long piece (like a towel twist). Hold at either end and then practice your mawashi geri's, say 100 on each leg.

The old Mae Geri drill was performed like that many years ago and yes the chair does just as good but better still is having a partner squat down and you kick over the their head, then you squat and they kick, again say 100 on each leg.

Try and grab yourself a copy of the Kyokushinkai Magazine, October '94 No. 50 issue as its a very special issue. Also try and get your hands on the book called "Kyokushin Karate - training and fighting" by Michel Wedel. Its a rare book but has some fantastic stuff in it for those who love the Kyokushin world of karate, rare photos of the great fighters including the legendary and Late Andi Hug, Masuda and Da Costa. Dolf Lundgren or Hasse Lundgren as he was known back then did take part in the world champ's and Sean Connery was given an honary dan grade from Oyama while he was filming You only Live Twice, as you will see many Kyokushin and Oyama in the film.

Being lucky enough to have competed at C.P. and to have meet some of the best within the Kyokushinkai from years ago, its more than a privaledge...its an honour.

Keep practicing and work hard, suffer as we all suffer, and enjoy that family spirit of what Kyokushinkai has to offer. Kai which means family or brotherhood, is a good thing. Every time the pain becomes harder and more severe then we must Kiai and kiai again.

Osu.
Paul Paterson.

[paul paterson]

Kyokushin's 24 hour training !!

For those who find it hard to swallow or believe in, the Kyokushin's 24 hour training is a test of the student's physical and mental abilities and wellbeing. The training is broken down into 90 minute to 6 hour segments with 15 minute rest periods for water intake. There is also two one hour meal breaks and all students must help set up for the meals before and clean after the meals. There is no set way of what you are going to do, for example, you could start of by doing pad work followed by circuit training followed by a 10 mile run, or you could just be doing kihon for a solid 5 hours. Who knows what will take place but be rest assured of one thing, everyone who takes part also finishes.

By pushing oneself up to his or her physical and mental limitations and just a tad beyond that, then the student discovers their hidden strengths and abilities. This is what is ment by the term "KOKORO". Kokoro is the heart, mind, and spirit of the person, you should always keep this polished like a mirror because when a person is strong and excels, only then is that person polished like the mirror and tempered like the katana.

Osu.
Paul Paterson.

[Adam]

I've always been very fascinated by the kyokushin 100 man kumite. Can you tell us anything about it Paul?

[Saz]

Originally posted by paul paterson
Kyokushin's 24 hour training !!


Where does this take place? and when? Tell me more :) I don't think I'm fit enough to take it on yet, but its something I can aim for. I'm planning on going to summer camp this year, if its not too late already

[paul paterson]

Osu.

I have never completed the 100 kumite, never had the chance. However having went through 30 and 40 and almost 50, well it was 47 as I got knocked out and could not get back up as I was out. Far to old far that stuff now and my body is not what it used to be. TO do the 100 is something very special and only Kyokushin students would know how painful doing these are. And there only a select few who have completed such a huge task and Hanshi Arneil was the very first man to do it, away back in 1965. Please remember thats 100 men at one minute fights continuous, one after the other after the other. As far as I am aware there is no other martial art that has such a thing. But please feel free to correct me.

The 24 hour training is a part of certain Kyokushinkai clubs, and there was something that Oyama did years ago, it was called the Uchi-deshi. Thats a 1000 days training for those who are not Kyokushin, the wakajishi or young lions as they are called are chosen for many hunderads of students, and training would be from 7 am to 10 pm every day, 7 days a week. Sorry KG but its the other lot of the Kyokushin that do it...

Osu.
Paul Paterson.

[Saz]

Its seriously hard Adam, think about it... its a 100 man knockdown remember. One knockdown fight can be hard enough, after 100 you'd be black and blue. Getting to 50 is some achievement on its own

[Adam]

oops, last post had a bad tone to it. Deleted! Thank you for pointing it out.

Of course it's very hard, Kyokushin_girl, and I would be in no shape to go through with it. I am impressed that anyone could go even halfway through this hardest test of karate.

The most someone I know has taken is the 10 man kumite, and that was supposed to have been rough.

[paul paterson]

Remember, thats a one minute full-contact fight with no gloves or mitts. Full contact kicks to the head etc and that it goes on for 30, 40, 50, and upto 100 fights. example, 50 x 60 seconds non stop, no breaks at full-contact. And even before that you will have had to go through a four to five hour grading, again with no breaks (apart from fluid intake).

This is why they call Kyokushinkai the strongest.

Osu.
Paul Paterson.

[parker pen]

Any clubs in London teaching this?

[Saz]

Yup there's a few in London... go here, and pick your nearest location from the drop down box http://www.hi-tekdemo.co.uk/bkk/DojosEngland.asp

If you can get to the Cyrstal Palace dojo, I'd recommend it. Its run by Hansi Steve Arneil, the head of Kyokushinkai. If he still teaches there, you'd be learning from the best.

[parker pen]

Good thanks a bunch!

[niceguy1]

*Blatant adverstising deleted.

[UlTi]

I train kyokushinkai... and i sure as hell love it to !! But im off to train som weights now, so... cya all around