Help problem with Thai kickboxing

[typhoon]

I joined thai kickboxing about a year ago and I liked it. But recently I have not been learning new things I learned a lot of the techniques ( round house, push kick, all knees, all elbows, punchies etc.) because new people constatly are joining and people with experience are leaving my master has to keep reteaching them the basics. There is about 3-4 people with as much experience in that dojo as me or more but its not enough for him to make an advanced class. The classes are still a good workout but I am thinking of quiting and joining something else. Should I quit or stay?

I am also disliking the fact that thai kickboxing has only two kicks. Does anyone else feel the lack of kicks in KICKboxing.

[Andy Murray]

Hi Typhoon, and welcome to the forum.

I don't train Thai Boxing, but I can see where you are coming from.

Most folks on the forum will probably tell you how important these basics you keep having to go over and over are. A major factor in every art, but most particularly Thai/Full Contact Kickboxing is repetition of these basics. A year isn't a great deal to spend on this looking at it from the outside. Some of the Thai kids start aged 4, fight into their 20's even 30's and you will see little other than basics, just that those basics are performed well.

If you quit, you'll be just as impatient as everyone else who has left. Talk to your Coach and talk to the other guys, but be a sticker, not a quitter as that's habit forming.

Arguably you don't need any more than two kicks, just different ideas about how to use them?

Good Luck.

[typhoon]

hmm thxf or the advice :)

[TkdWarrior]

I joined thai kickboxing about a year ago and I liked it. But recently I have not been learning new things I learned a lot of the techniques ( round house, push kick, all knees, all elbows, punchies etc.)
u hav learnt more than me don't worry after some years u'll cherish this moment like me... techniques rn't necessary but applying them is... learning principles apply them practically... etc

see this thread i m talking my Muai Thai expereince here
http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1839

-TkdWarrior-

[YODA]

Looks like Typhoon has discovered the secret that makes Muay Thai such a devastating art :D

Enjoy it - keep it - work it.

By all means look to supplement it with something more "interesting" but also - keep on kicking those pads :D

Advanced techniques are just basics done at a high level!

[pgm316]

When you really think about it..............

Are there such things as advanced or basic techniques?

I wouldn't tell somebody that has spent 10 years perfecting their low roundhouse kick that its a basic move. Or they might show you how advanced it really is!!! :p

[iolair]

Originally posted by pgm316
When you really think about it..............

Are there such things as advanced or basic techniques?Well, there are certainly techniques that are easier or more difficult to perform correctly.

for example...

EASIER
jab
cross
hook
front kick

QUITE EASY
roundhouse
uppercut

MODERATE DIFFICULTY
side thrust

QUITE DIFFICULT
hook kick

DIFFICULT
spinning and jumping kicks

I guess that's the easiest way to talk about "basic" or "advanced" - just a matter of improving you flexibility, balance and coordination really. I'd also say that the most effective techniques are probably the easier ones. Or you could also say the most effective techniques are the ones you've practiced a lot and are suitable for the situation in hand!

[pgm316]

I know what your saying iolair.

Playing devils advocate, I could say in what sense are they harder or easier to perform.

Obviously, on your own its easier to throw a simple jab out than a spinning roundhouse kick. On the other hand against a good opponent it will be very difficult to perfect timing and speed of said jab to land punches successfully, just in the same way as it will be to land the kick.

In this sense I think its wrong to consider some moves basic, maybe the mechanics of them are, but not the practice.

[dredleviathan]

Typhoon,

Like the guys are saying its all down to basics. My training in MT is limited but I find it facinating nonetheless. I can't say that I've learnt any techniques in a Thai class that I haven't necessarily seen elsewhere but they have their own flavour and ways of using the techniques.

I mean you would think that a roundhouse was a roundhouse was a roundhouse but the MT version is just that little bit different in its delivery and incredibly effective. Its all the the tweaks and tucks that you make. Slight variations that we've been shown are the standard MT round kick and the sharp shin variation (where the kick is brought up into the ribs at a more vertical upward angle - the usual being horizontal or angling diagonally downward). Its not a new technique as such but a new delivery method.

Perhaps you could voice your concerns with your trainer and see if he can give you new direction but as has been said already a year isn't a great deal really. Perhaps you trainer can add some advanced variations for the few of you that have stuck.

Hard work and perseverance mean a whole lot more than the number of techniques you know in the end. Its taken me quite a few years to work that out.

As Yoda suggested you could look to supplement your MT with another art to regain that spark of interest... maybe some grappling that will blow your mind for a bit!

[dredleviathan]

Oh and you could start to carry out your own research and see if you can add this into your practice. There are plenty of magazines, books and videos around (not all of them good of course) - and of course you have this forum.

What more could you need?

[dredleviathan]

And seminars can be useful too....

[br00ster]

Definately dred...,

Got back from my second Sifu MarcMcFann seminar last night...both of them had lots of thai drills etc,awesome!!!

I've buggered my wrist,my hips ache an lots of bruises on my shins,excellent:D

Am planning on attending class'es starting next week:cool:
Do you think being 30yrs young,am i too old to start MT?

[YODA]

Yo Br00ster

'twas great to see you again at the seminar - it's been way too long bud!

Too old? A spritely young athlete like you? Nah! Go for it!

[br00ster]

:D


good to see your good self too Yoda!!!
am gonna have to mail you with my plans for a cv routine,see what you think,if you don't mind?:love:

[AllOutWar]

QUOTE:
"I am also disliking the fact that thai kickboxing has only two kicks. Does anyone else feel the lack of kicks in KICKboxing."


WOULD A HIGH KICK ,MID KICK, AND LOW KICK BE COSIDERED 1 KICK? THERE MAY NOT BE MANY DIFFERENT KICKS BUT WHY SHOULD THERE IF THE ONES THEY USE ARE LETHAL WHEN APPLIED RIGHT?

IN SPORT YOU AIM FOR THE THIGH ON THE STREETS I'M AIMING FOR THE KNEE

[YODA]

There are at least 11 diferent kicks in the Muay Thai that I do. How many do you need? LOL!

[krash999]

I've been doing Muay Thai for about 2 years now and I can't imagine being bored or quiting.
Quick question though... how long must a person train before they start sparring. Has you trainer incorporated that into your training? I beleive someone else mentioned that is where you learn timing and distance.

[YODA]

I sparred at my 1st MT class and every one after that. The only thing that changed was the intensity.

[LabanB]

Hi Dave,

When you say 11 different kicks are they substantially different, or variations on a theme (not the "kick 'em hard" theme either ;-) )

Bill

[YODA]

Hi Bill

They are variations - but significant enough to make them different in application.

[nicolo]

Typhoon,

You're right...muay Thai isn't fancy...it's simplicity and there are few kicks as devastating and effective as the ones you're complaining about. Trust me...you'll want them in your arsenal. If you don't believe me, pull up any recent UFC or K-1 tapes.

[AsSaSiN]

For some that is the drawback of Thai, it looks totally poo, not really a show off art. If someone is really that bothere don how they look, they should go do ballet, but when it comes to effectiveness, you will be loving yourself for training in those "few kicks" as opposed to 20 useless ones.

[SoKKlab]

Hey Typhoon,
It just depends firstly on whether you are learning purely as a Sport and doing Basics over and over (Nothing wrong with that) or whether you are learning the entire Art, from a Martial Art POV.

As Yoda alluded to there are actually alot of kicks in Trad Muay Thai (Muay Boran). The main reason that we concentrate upon the Roundhouse and The Push Front kick more than the others, is, for the ring they are the ones that you will find yourself using the most as your basic tools and for the street as well I would concur.

Try to find a Traditional Muay thai school. the IMTF/IAMTF is a good start as they teach Muay Thai as a complete Art (Muay Boran).

Muay Thai/ Boran contains Back Kick, Side Kick, Spinning Back Heel kick, Jumping Kicks, Jumping Knees and loads more besides. But even so, I say to you, not to neglect your two most potent kicks just because you want something a bit more esoteric...

Good Luck with your Training.

[Andy Pandy]

Your talking about the lack of fancy kicks in Muay Thai, so I must assume that my master is teaching more than just Muay Thai because although all the emphesis is on the basics, he does occasionaly teach us more difficult kicks like spinning kicks.

[SoKKlab]

Andy,
You are lucky that your master is teaching you the Full Muay Boran/ Muay Thai Art, techniques like Spinning Back Heel kick (Choraoke Fad Hang) and Back kick (Kwan Leu Lang) are as much a part of muay thai as any other art.

Just that, as I say in the post above to Typhoon, MT tends to give more effort and emphasis to Roundhouses (of various types) and Front kicks. As you know these are the ones that get you out of trouble and are your best kicking weapons.

But there's a hell of alot more to Muay Thai, as you seem to be lucky enough to learning. Great.

[Rob Wyatt]

I think what you are feeling are highs and lows that comes w/ anything that takes time. Sometimes it becomes tedious and can be boring. But repitition is very important in perfecting techniques, and making them very efective. Muay Thai does not use other kicks because of the efectiveness and devastation of a full Thai kick. It is said Muay Thai is one of the easiest martial arts to learn but the hardest to master. I would talk to your trainer and work something out. He should understand and help you out.

[peacfulwarrior]

Muay Thai is the one art that does not require advanced technique to be effective. If the basics are good enough the perfect those. You've probably already decided by now but I suggest stick with it.




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[kenpo4life]

For you guys who think that MT is too basic, think of this, boxing has 4 punches. It is the way you transition and use them that makes it work. I have rolled and seen Rickson Gracie roll. He tapped everyone in the house with moves I learned in my first 3 months of bjj. Forget number. If I may quote the man, " I would rather have 1o moves that work for me, than 100 that work against me."

[Uriel]

I joined thai kickboxing about a year ago and I liked it. But recently I have not been learning new things I learned a lot of the techniques ( round house, push kick, all knees, all elbows, punchies etc.) because new people constatly are joining and people with experience are leaving my master has to keep reteaching them the basics. There is about 3-4 people with as much experience in that dojo as me or more but its not enough for him to make an advanced class. The classes are still a good workout but I am thinking of quiting and joining something else. Should I quit or stay?

I am also disliking the fact that thai kickboxing has only two kicks. Does anyone else feel the lack of kicks in KICKboxing.

Dude, i know how you feel the class i'm in is a school "self defence" class, it's JKD but it's base style is MT. every term new people join & we have to re-do the basics.

But look at it this way. You'll be a master at the basics & they'll become so instinctive that you won't have to think about it in i fight. It'll be natural. Stick with it.

[speed_dragon]

DUUUUDDE you are so wrong if your not learning anything new then you should be strengthening your kicks punches so when you strike the opponent wont want to fight anymore thus you win pychologically. the kicks are up to you. if you wish to learn more kicks then do so but know when to apply them..i did thai and muay thai...start trying to ix your arts so you have the strength of one and the speed of another..comprende?

[AAAhmed46]

Nothing can match a muay thai kick............

[distant]

I've been in muay thai for some time now and the same school also teaches TKD which draws in some of them to attend the MT class. I'm in here learning the basics and also more, and yes people bounce in and out of a class that's this demanding. The point is you can do it yourself by perfecting your technique, speed, or anything else. When and if you get sparring time its up to you to use your techniques and put them together in a way thats practicable in your situation and improve upon that. In my MT class i noticed some people dont push to do anything except block or the occasional low kick where as i practice any range of a kick along with techniques to disguise it or compliment the attack combination. You should discover and experiment with whatever you want in order to get it down better, im sure you've learned something you havent used in your sparring time and unless you practice you'll never get passed that.

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[Singto Laaw]

Nothing can match a muay thai kick............A baseball bat! :eek: :rolleyes: :love: :Angel: :woo: :bang: Sorry!